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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Tuesday, June 20, 2023

Living in Bonanzaland

from Wikipedia
"Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" starts with the finding of a diary in the distant future. The introduction dwells on the difficulties of historical research on the fictional 'Neogene Era', "the period of the heyday of the pre-Chaotic culture, which preceded the Great Decomposition". "Great Decomposition" refers to the apocalyptic event of "papyrolysis", decomposition of all paper on the planet in the pre-information-technology era, causing all records and money to turn into dust––the end of the "epoch of papycracy".

The diary, known as the 'Notes of a Man from the Neogene', was found in the lava-filled ruins of Third Pentagon within the territory of the disappeared state of Ammer-Ka. Previously, little was known about the hypothetical 'Last Pentagon'. One researcher suggested that Pentagon was a kind of military brain, the center in charge of maintaining the faith of Cap-i-Taal, dominant in Ammer-Ka in the period of U-S. This was confirmed by the finding of the diary, supposedly of an agent trapped deep within the subterranean bowels of the vast Third Pentagon, although the authenticity and authorship of the document were questioned by some researchers.

The rest of the book is the diary itself. In a Kafkaesque maelstrom of terrifying bureaucratic confusion and utter insanity, the agent attempts to follow his mission directives, conducting on-the-spot investigations: "Verify. Search. Destroy. Incite. Inform. Over and out. On the nth day nth hour sector n subsector n rendezvous with N." The narrator inhabits a paranoid dystopia where nothing is as it seems, chaos seems to rule all events, and everyone is deeply suspicious of everyone else.
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'Twas battered and scarred,
And the auctioneer thought it
hardly worth his while
To waste his time on the old violin,
but he held it up with a smile.

"What am I bid, good people", he cried,
"Who starts the bidding for me?"
"One dollar, one dollar, Do I hear two?"
"Two dollars, who makes it three?"
"Three dollars once, three dollars twice, going for three,"

But, No,
From the room far back a gray bearded man
Came forward and picked up the bow,
Then wiping the dust from the old violin
And tightening up the strings,
He played a melody, pure and sweet
As sweet as the angel sings.

The music ceased and the auctioneer
With a voice that was quiet and low,
Said "What now am I bid for this old violin?"
As he held it aloft with its' bow.

"One thousand, one thousand, Do I hear two?"
"Two thousand, Who makes it three?"
"Three thousand once, three thousand twice,
Going and gone", said he.

The audience cheered,
But some of them cried,
"We just don't understand."
"What changed its' worth?"
Swift came the reply.
"The Touch of the Masters Hand."

"And many a man with life out of tune
All battered and bruised with hardship
Is auctioned cheap to a thoughtless crowd
Much like that old violin

A mess of pottage, a glass of wine,
A game and he travels on.
He is going once, he is going twice,
He is going and almost gone.

But the Master comes,
And the foolish crowd never can quite understand,
The worth of a soul and the change that is wrought
By the Touch of the Masters' Hand.
-Myra Brooks Welch

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

:-)

Cannot say that I made much clue out of that piece.

But your assessment could be interesten to listen...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A jumbled bunch of concepts. The video was about Marshall McCluhan "the medium IS the message". We shape tech, then tech shapes us. Also evolution of man from living in "private rooms" to living in communal ones vs. "privacy". Evolution of work from isolation to groups. Evolution of authenticity to profilicity. Ideology of individual vs tribe. Move from standalone pc to internet. We tend to "live" in the past. I don't live in the current "electronic age" (with lots of feedback/control loops), I still live in (and idealize) Bonanzaland (the past).

Lem's critique of cybernetics - memoires found in a bathtub. The crazy feedback loops of end times when there was no reliable feedback in the loop.

And the need for at least one expert to lend "value" to it all. The violin "master's hand".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

"Memoirs" was Lem's critique of our current "paperless" age... and its eventual devolution into paranoiac dystopia in America.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

As Plato said in "Cratylus"

SOCRATES: Nor can we reasonably say, Cratylus, that there is knowledge at all, if everything is in a state of transition and there is nothing abiding; for knowledge too cannot continue to be knowledge unless continuing always to abide and exist. But if the very nature of knowledge changes, at the time when the change occurs there will be no knowledge; and if the transition is always going on, there will always be no knowledge, and, according to this view, there will be no one to know and nothing to be known: but if that which knows and that which is known exists ever, and the beautiful and the good and every other thing also exist, then I do not think that they can resemble a process or flux, as we were just now supposing. Whether there is this eternal nature in things, or whether the truth is what Heracleitus and his followers and many others say, is a question hard to determine; and no man of sense will like to put himself or the education of his mind in the power of names: neither will he so far trust names or the givers of names as to be confident in any knowledge which condemns himself and other existences to an unhealthy state of unreality; he will not believe that all things leak like a pot, or imagine that the world is a man who has a running at the nose. This may be true, Cratylus, but is also very likely to be untrue; and therefore I would not have you be too easily persuaded of it. Reflect well and like a man, and do not easily accept such a doctrine; for you are young and of an age to learn. And when you have found the truth, come and tell me.

CRATYLUS: I will do as you say, though I can assure you, Socrates, that I have been considering the matter already, and the result of a great deal of trouble and consideration is that I incline to Heracleitus.

SOCRATES: Then, another day, my friend, when you come back, you shall give me a lesson; but at present, go into the country, as you are intending, and Hermogenes shall set you on your way.

CRATYLUS: Very good, Socrates; I hope, however, that you will continue to think about these things yourself.


We live in Heraclitus' world now.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Books to e-books. Alterations. Revisions. MiniTru.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The medium IS the message.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The death of "negative liberty".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

\\I don't live in the current "electronic age" (with lots of feedback/control loops), I still live in (and idealize) Bonanzaland (the past).

Hmmm... dunno, what that (non)living in "our electronic age" could mean?

Not using electronic devices? Ehm.

Othere then that... "lots of feedback/control loops" that is what society is.

And "the past" is a place where such loops was even more... or they was more nagging. (today you can do downshifting)



\\Lem's critique of cybernetics...

Lem? Criticizing cybernetics? Lem??? :-)

I assumed that was his POV on spying and Cold War paranoia.

Well... he openly declared it, through "mouth" of Golem: "Ontological questions -- much more important than geopolitical".

And... are him not right? Our origin, and our further destiny VS this moment political minutae... should be self-evidant, isn't it?



\\SOCRATES: Nor can we reasonably say, Cratylus, that there is knowledge at all, if everything is in a state of transition and there is nothing abiding;

But we confirmed in other thread... that state of non-change cannot be percieved even. So how it can base for anything intellectual. For knowledge???

Where is no changes -- knowledge not needed.



\\...at the time when the change occurs there will be no knowledge; and if the transition is always going on, there will always be no knowledge...

Clear and clean contradiction here.



\\We live in Heraclitus' world now.

We always did.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

/Hmmm... dunno, what that (non)living in "our electronic age" could mean?

It's in the video (as are most of your other "issues").

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Lift not the painted veil which those who live
Call Life: though unreal shapes be pictured there,
And it but mimic all we would believe
With colours idly spread,-behind, lurk Fear
And Hope, twin Destinies; who ever weave
Their shadows, o'er the chasm, sightless and drear.
I knew one who had lifted it-he sought,
For his lost heart was tender, things to love,
But found them not, alas! nor was there aught
The world contains, the which he could approve.
Through the unheeding many he did move,
A splendour among shadows, a bright blot
Upon this gloomy scene, a Spirit that strove
For truth, and like the Preacher found it not.


Percy Bysshe Shelley, "Lift Not the Painted Veil"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The manque at the heart of knowledge.

...ontologically speaking.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and epistemologically speaking upon the impermanence of permanence.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

On feedback loops...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and "intelligence"

"Intelligence means choosing-between. It is not entirely free in so far as it is caught in between, which depends on the system in opertion. Intelligence has no access to outside, because it makes a choice between options in the system. Therefore intelligence does not really exercise free choice: it can only select among the offerings the system affords. Intelligence follows the logic of the system. It is system-immanent. a given system defines given intelligence." - Byung-Chul Han, "Psychopolitics and New Technology of Power"

Anonymous said...

\\It's in the video (as are most of your other "issues").

Dunno. What issues?

I have that issue -- that I cannot push my visions into Reality.

But. Even that is not that much an issue, as I tend to treat it phylosophically... maybe too much. :-)

What he calls "intelligence" -- that is intelligent behavior... as of insects.

Intelligence we mean as our human one -- that is ability to "think out of the box".

\\The manque at the heart of knowledge.

\\...ontologically speaking.

\\...and epistemologically speaking upon the impermanence of permanence.

Cryptic short comments... (shy)



\\Intelligence has no access to outside,

Ehm???

And what "outside" he refer to here??? ;-P

Some real of gods??? :-))))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\It's in the video (as are most of your other "issues").
/Dunno. What issues?
I have that issue -- that I cannot push my visions into Reality.
But. Even that is not that much an issue, as I tend to treat it phylosophically... maybe too much. :-)


Issue as in "take issue with"(question/ contest something stated) (not using electronic devices, what does "our electronic age" mean)


/What he calls "intelligence" -- that is intelligent behavior... as of insects.
Intelligence we mean as our human one -- that is ability to "think out of the box".


He's saying that intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it... be it insects, humans, or the planet Solaris. In other words, we're ALL trapped in the box (solar system or system of systems (aka Universe)].


\\The manque at the heart of knowledge.
\\...ontologically speaking.
\\...and epistemologically speaking upon the impermanence of permanence.
/Cryptic short comments... (shy)


What we don't know... the "nothing" or "lack" at the heart of "desire".


\\Intelligence has no access to outside,
/Ehm???
And what "outside" he refer to here??? ;-P
Some real of gods??? :-))))


Outside the "system" to which it belongs. Again, limits define the form (system). Take away the limits/ boundaries, and everything becomes "undefined".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Each "system" has it's own "intelligence" (inherent to it/immanent from it). When we merge two systems, we achieve a form of "transcendence" between them (but only them). Remember this?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

In the movie/book "Solaris" we lacked the "intelligence" to understand the planet and achieve (transcend) functional communications with its' intelligence.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You like tech. Well this is also "tech". The technology of "Human Identity".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Again, this is simply "ontology" The process of "becoming". The "impermanence" in "being" To "be" or not to be. THAT is the question.

Anonymous said...

\\He's saying that intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it...

Well... Apollo Project.

One can say that Moon is a part of our system.
But I'd say... it's a big streth.
Which makes initial claim quite questionable.

Or, am I not right? Somewhere. Somehow.



\\What we don't know... the "nothing" or "lack" at the heart of "desire".

And we cannot use methods of cybernetrics to reveal it, even???



\\Outside the "system" to which it belongs.

Argument above.



\\Remember this?

I find both definition questionable.

That is like when Swift criticized natural phylosophers of his time for calling "play of Nature" thing they do not understand. ;-P



\\In the movie/book "Solaris" we lacked the "intelligence" to understand the planet and achieve (transcend) functional communications with its' intelligence.

Hah... there was NO such desire in the first place.

I dunno what you could deduce from movie.

But book -- shows it with damning certainity.
How instead of burning desire to know things... main character was burning from quite more simpler desires. ;-P

Moral of "Solaris" is simple -- when we trying to judge anything by our OWN standards ONLY -- we fail. ;-)


\\You like tech. Well this is also "tech". The technology of "Human Identity".

Like anything new.



\\THAT is the question.

Self-solving question. Self-fulfilling prophecy. ;-)


Anonymous said...

In your culture you have it -- journey storys.

When some character embarcs on a journey -- when he/she/it returns. It changes.

But, you grown to fear such chamges. It seems. Or, am I wrong with my assessment?

Anonymous said...

Sorry for cranky language :-((((

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\He's saying that intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it...
/Well... Apollo Project.
One can say that Moon is a part of our system.
But I'd say... it's a big streth.
Which makes initial claim quite questionable.
Or, am I not right? Somewhere. Somehow.


The system is wherever you draw the boundary that encloses it. And then you look at Inputs/Output which cross that boundary. You describe it's "environment". And then you describe how the "system" converts inputs to outputs. THAT is "Systems Analysis".


\\What we don't know... the "nothing" or "lack" at the heart of "desire".
/And we cannot use methods of cybernetrics to reveal it, even???


Can you "reveal" G_d with them?



\\Outside the "system" to which it belongs.
/Argument above.


Again, it's outside the drawn study boundary. It's what "limits" the system to be described.


\\Remember this?
/I find both definition questionable.
That is like when Swift criticized natural phylosophers of his time for calling "play of Nature" thing they do not understand. ;-P


The Grand Academy @ Lagado...


\\In the movie/book "Solaris" we lacked the "intelligence" to understand the planet and achieve (transcend) functional communications with its' intelligence.
/Hah... there was NO such desire in the first place.
I dunno what you could deduce from movie.
But book -- shows it with damning certainity.
How instead of burning desire to know things... main character was burning from quite more simpler desires. ;-P
Moral of "Solaris" is simple -- when we trying to judge anything by our OWN standards ONLY -- we fail. ;-)


Why was the station orbiting Solaris in the first place then?


\\You like tech. Well this is also "tech". The technology of "Human Identity".
/Like anything new.


There's nothing new under the sun...


\\THAT is the question.
/Self-solving question. Self-fulfilling prophecy. ;-)


There is no "being". There is ONLY "becoming". "Life is a chemical System that uses energy to keep itself from reaching chemical equilibrium. Equilibrium is the situation in which chemicals no longer have a tendency to react over time. Equillibrium is "being".


/In your culture you have it -- journey storys.
When some character embarcs on a journey -- when he/she/it returns. It changes.
But, you grown to fear such chamges. It seems. Or, am I wrong with my assessment?


I don't think we fear the changes so much as their "pace". We don't feel "at home". There is a decreased feeling of "familiarity" with an ever changing "system". Like the USSR when the wall fell (system boundary).


/Sorry for cranky language :-((((

Don't be sorry. I'm ALWAYS cranky. ;)

Anonymous said...

\\Don't be sorry. I'm ALWAYS cranky. ;)

Dunno.

Anyway, I need to keep my crankiness in check... to improve.




\\Like the USSR when the wall fell (system boundary).

I think it is wrong analogy.
Or... how much and what exactly you know about that events???



\\Equillibrium is "being".

Matter of definition...




\\There's nothing new under the sun...

And what about "emergentness" then? ;-P



\\Why was the station orbiting Solaris in the first place then?

???

Bureaucracy? ;-)

As I said. Very important part of "Solaris". (same as with Golem) It's in preface.



\\The Grand Academy @ Lagado...

As I recall... it was in Gulliver's edventure in the land of Giants.



\\Can you "reveal" G_d with them?

What that word even mean???



\\The system is wherever you draw the boundary that encloses it. And then you look at Inputs/Output which cross that boundary. You describe it's "environment". And then you describe how the "system" converts inputs to outputs. THAT is "Systems Analysis".

Yap.

So, how can we say that "intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it..."
If as we know bounderies of any system SUCH arbitrary???

That's that Buyong's mistake, as he is neither engineer nor system-o-technic. ;-)


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\Don't be sorry. I'm ALWAYS cranky. ;)
/Dunno.
Anyway, I need to keep my crankiness in check... to improve.


Yeah, that makes two of us.


\\Like the USSR when the wall fell (system boundary).
/I think it is wrong analogy.
Or... how much and what exactly you know about that events???


I was think specifically of the removal of the hypernormalisation. Who to bribe.


\\Equillibrium is "being".
/Matter of definition...


Everything is a matter of definition.


\\There's nothing new under the sun...
/And what about "emergentness" then? ;-P


Gamma rays cross solar system boundaries and flip genetic bits (cause mutations). The programming is transcendent.


\\Why was the station orbiting Solaris in the first place then?
/???
Bureaucracy? ;-)
As I said. Very important part of "Solaris". (same as with Golem) It's in preface.


from Wiki: Kris Kelvin, a psychologist, arrives aboard Solaris Station, a scientific research station hovering near the oceanic surface of Solaris. The scientists there have studied the planet and its ocean for many decades, mostly in vain. A scientific discipline known as Solaristics has degenerated over the years to simply observing, recording and categorizing the complex phenomena that occur upon the surface of the ocean. Thus far, the scientists have only compiled an elaborate nomenclature of the phenomena, and do not yet understand what such activities really mean.


\\The Grand Academy @ Lagado...
/As I recall... it was in Gulliver's edventure in the land of Giants.


Ever read Swift's "Battle of the Books"? The Greeks/Romans were the Giants. Newton, et al, were the Lilliputians.



\\Can you "reveal" G_d with them?
/What that word even mean???


The "absence" at the heart of religion. There is no G_d. In psychology, there is no Big Other (objet Gran A) or objet petit 'a (object cause of desire), for as soon as you get it, it changes (metamorphosis). It's a "lack" (as in "of scientific knowledge") that inspires an endless search for "new tech".


\\The system is wherever you draw the boundary that encloses it. And then you look at Inputs/Output which cross that boundary. You describe it's "environment". And then you describe how the "system" converts inputs to outputs. THAT is "Systems Analysis".
/Yap.
So, how can we say that "intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it..."
If as we know bounderies of any system SUCH arbitrary???


Redraw the boundary to discover its' external source.

Anonymous said...

\\Yeah, that makes two of us.

:-)


\\I was think specifically of the removal of the hypernormalisation. Who to bribe.

There was no bribes. Only true wild-free market. ;-P



\\Everything is a matter of definition.

Yap... that's the problem with phylosopher. As Lem said -- they try to fill all Universe with THIER definition...

and Universe shows itself not quite supportive. ;-)



\\ A scientific discipline known as Solaristics has degenerated over the years to simply observing, recording and categorizing the complex phenomena that occur upon the surface of the ocean. Thus far, the scientists have only compiled an elaborate nomenclature of the phenomena, and do not yet understand what such activities really mean.

Yap.

Lack of will to pierce through dumb matters collecting. ;-)




\\ It's a "lack" (as in "of scientific knowledge") that inspires an endless search for "new tech".

Yawn. Phenomenology.



\\Redraw the boundary to discover its' external source.

For that that "intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it..." NEED to peirce that boundaries, no? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\I was think specifically of the removal of the hypernormalisation. Who to bribe.
/There was no bribes. Only true wild-free market. ;-P


Isn't "bribes" what the "free market" is all about? Positive (vs. negative) incentives?


\\Everything is a matter of definition.
/Yap... that's the problem with phylosopher. As Lem said -- they try to fill all Universe with THIER definition...
and Universe shows itself not quite supportive. ;-)


Meaning or feeling/emotion. Choose your poison. Ironic distance from fundmentalist immediacy.


\\ A scientific discipline known as Solaristics has degenerated over the years to simply observing, recording and categorizing the complex phenomena that occur upon the surface of the ocean. Thus far, the scientists have only compiled an elaborate nomenclature of the phenomena, and do not yet understand what such activities really mean.
/Yap.
Lack of will to pierce through dumb matters collecting. ;-)


...as opposed to experimentation (as the planet Solaris did on the space station with the psychic projections - introducing phenomena and measuring the response).


\\ It's a "lack" (as in "of scientific knowledge") that inspires an endless search for "new tech".
/Yawn. Phenomenology.


The intelligence of Chronos (not Zeus).


\\Redraw the boundary to discover its' external source.
/For that that "intelligence is immanent to the system which spawns it..." NEED to peirce that boundaries, no? ;-)


Frustration/ inability can be a form of "intelligence".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Observation w/o interaction through introduction of changing variables.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...using correlation to find causation. Probabalistic vs. deterministic approaches.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Capitalism has become "all carrot" (bribes) no "stick" (punishments). Sovereign societies -> Disciplinary societies -> societies of control (Achievement societies).

The threat of "absence" (of access or product) is enough.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

This is Byung-Chul Han's great contribution. He merges Eastern/ Western philosophies. Immanence & Transcendance.

Anonymous said...

\\Isn't "bribes" what the "free market" is all about?

Yap.

Natural thing for one living in a democratic and market based country. ;-)

You just cannot grasp what that word mean.



\\...as opposed to experimentation (as the planet Solaris did on the space station with the psychic projections - introducing phenomena and measuring the response).

Is it? ;-)



\\Frustration/ inability can be a form of "intelligence".

In a sense that only intellect can feel frustration?

But well... we know, that even trees can do that.



\\The threat of "absence" (of access or product) is enough.

Yawn. From one who never know what real hunger is about...



-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ah. Kafka. The Hunger Artist.