tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post6778381681874663542..comments2024-03-28T08:51:04.478-04:00Comments on Farmers Letters: -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16745768408538827278noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-43391025150599987472017-03-14T12:07:43.500-04:002017-03-14T12:07:43.500-04:00I would merely say that an "exhortation to vi...I would merely say that an "exhortation to virtue" is the proper way to achieve your ends, FT, and that exhorations need not "necessarily" be accompanied by the disparagement of alternatives, just as tragedy is "best served" in the absence of comedy. It's best to serve the sacred and profane on different days of the week. ;)-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16745768408538827278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-86143586337781629902017-03-14T11:48:03.917-04:002017-03-14T11:48:03.917-04:00Thanks for the clarification.
It may be of no int...Thanks for the clarification.<br /><br />It may be of no interest to you, but thanks to this I can now pinpoint our disagreement with greater precision: "... an all-consuming passion would virtually OBLITERATE interest in [everything else]..." -- this is not my experience! My deep love for one type of music does not dilute my enjoyment of others, especially when they belong to very jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-46099885771854573102017-03-14T10:00:27.126-04:002017-03-14T10:00:27.126-04:00I'm sorry, Jez, I try to be clear, but seem of...I'm sorry, Jez, I try to be clear, but seem often to be speaking a foreign language these days.<br /><br />Here is my viewpoint in the subject.:<br /><br />I believe that anyone who feels sufficient interest in "classical music" to explore it in considerable depth –– not from an academic or analytical aspect, but simply because he finds it fascinating and intoxicating, genuinely FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-53252597183962417802017-03-14T08:19:24.482-04:002017-03-14T08:19:24.482-04:00I'm not asking you to like it, and I sympathis...I'm not asking you to like it, and I sympathise & agree with you regarding background noise.<br /><br />But it really does look like you believe that popular musicians are somehow opposed to classical music, and you seem to overlook us telling you that we like bits of both.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-48658383391592047312017-03-13T18:57:19.652-04:002017-03-13T18:57:19.652-04:00__________ The Boombox __________
Nestled in a qu...<b>__________ The Boombox __________<br /><br /><i>Nestled in a quiet glade so still<br />One could hear a fluttering sparrow’s wing,<br />Immersed in prayerful thought, I’d like to kill that<br />Squawking, howling, growling, thumping thing<br />Engrossing –– eating up –– my sacred space,<br />Projecting Social Cancer at my head.<br />Overtaking prayer it chokes like mace.<br />Like mace it FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-33209158367662489602017-03-13T18:54:05.374-04:002017-03-13T18:54:05.374-04:00As always, Jez, you either deliberately choose to ...As always, Jez, you either deliberately choose to misunderstand me, or you are unable to. <br /><br />Given your high level of intelligence, I cannot believe it could be the former.<br /><br />It is not incumbent upon me to support anything I, personally, find foolish, degenerate, repugnant, or just plain butt ugly. Neither do I have any right or obligation to try to shame, insult, bully or FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-873342684965976162017-03-13T10:26:57.871-04:002017-03-13T10:26:57.871-04:00"...it's not up to either of us to resolv..."...it's not up to either of us to resolve the cultural clash..."<br /><br />I believe it is up to you to recognise enjoyment of classical music does not entail a rejection of popular or rock music. IIRC Jersey, Farmer and I have all made this claim, do you disbelieve us?jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-59174240372013796092017-03-13T09:04:44.498-04:002017-03-13T09:04:44.498-04:00Thank you for presenting an astute, well-phrased ...Thank you for presenting an astute, well-phrased analysis Jersey. I think you may know more about the background of American "pop" music than I, since I turned away from poplar music in 1955, and have focused almost exclusively on learning as much as I possibly could about the vast vast VAST area that comprises what is rather stupidly known as "Classical Music."<br /><br />&FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-54191762869177253792017-03-13T08:49:03.117-04:002017-03-13T08:49:03.117-04:00I much prefer the 'wall of sound' original...I much prefer the 'wall of sound' original, TBH...Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-6959787795909262022017-03-13T06:14:01.432-04:002017-03-13T06:14:01.432-04:00I'm not sure the classical composers deliberat...I'm not sure the classical composers deliberately sought out banal tunes to develop -- the likes of Bartók and Grieg, for examples, appeared to be sincerely devoted to the form.<br /><br />FreeThinke correctly identify rock and roll as a primitive form. Thanks for noticing. But is that necessarily a bad thing? It's an aesthetic choice, isn't it?<br /><br />I do not reject the jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-23649988958409867452017-03-13T06:13:01.815-04:002017-03-13T06:13:01.815-04:00https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-84500588792665850822017-03-13T06:10:54.697-04:002017-03-13T06:10:54.697-04:00https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-50854112352382521002017-03-12T20:45:34.463-04:002017-03-12T20:45:34.463-04:00Well, maybe American music is a little primitive a...Well, maybe American music is a little primitive and common, but America is kind of a new thing, Americans, American culture. If you were 80 today, for instance, when you were born, the United States was only about a century-and-a-half old, and the population was about half what it is today. Most of the people that came to this country, the ancestors of most US citizens came here from the Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-11039581682915893752017-03-12T19:14:35.596-04:002017-03-12T19:14:35.596-04:00You guys are really Smething Else! I earned one of...You guys are really Smething Else! I earned one of my graduate degrees at NYU, and spent lots of time in Washington Square Park on my way to and from the then-brand-new Bobst Library –– one of the few pieces of "modern" architecture I really like.<br /><br />Washington Square, itself, –– for me at least –– has always had a timeless feel about it –– a Direct Connection to Old New York FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-18312040108877714242017-03-12T15:58:03.615-04:002017-03-12T15:58:03.615-04:00LOL! Thanks! And it's funny, like Simon, it&...LOL! Thanks! And it's funny, like Simon, it's not that I <em>had</em> to live some crazy lifestyle, and play rock music, and experience all that, but I wanted to. Life can be whatever we want it to be, and we shouldn't disregard the rest. The "lie" in the song is actually just a sing-a-ling. It had no meaning, but people read a lot into it. I always thought of it as Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-56459719907051630052017-03-12T14:54:35.853-04:002017-03-12T14:54:35.853-04:00pps - Keep up the good fight! You'da a made o...pps - Keep up the good fight! You'da a made one hell of a boxer!Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-60558364542349494642017-03-12T14:53:03.798-04:002017-03-12T14:53:03.798-04:00ps - Yes, Washington Square Park/ Bleecker... my d...ps - Yes, Washington Square Park/ Bleecker... my daughter graduated from NYU.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-37000310971874956562017-03-12T14:48:09.061-04:002017-03-12T14:48:09.061-04:00Great song choice Jersey. I love the sign-posting...Great song choice Jersey. I love the sign-posting in Paul Simon's verses:<br /><br /><i>I am just a poor boy<br />Though my story's seldom told<br /><b>I have squandered my resistance<br />For a pocket full of mumbles, such are promises<br />All lies and jests<br />Still a man hears what he wants to hear<br />And disregards the rest</b><br /><br />When I left my home and my family<br />IThersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-62460266345193581162017-03-12T12:38:16.366-04:002017-03-12T12:38:16.366-04:00Oops! Washington SQUARE Park! (fro those unaware...Oops! Washington SQUARE Park! (fro those unawares)<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-67120156671396065342017-03-12T12:35:45.302-04:002017-03-12T12:35:45.302-04:00Ah, Paul Simon...
Ya' know, FT, the version y...Ah, Paul Simon...<br /><br />Ya' know, FT, the version you referred, that's not<br /> how Simon wanted it. The studio added (too much) "sound" (electric guitars, hard drums) and the song was tedious and messy. But when played right, it's a beautiful song. Personally, I think these guys went a little corny with it.<br /><br />I used to cover him quite a bit! But not that Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-61308575866524947562017-03-12T12:03:42.007-04:002017-03-12T12:03:42.007-04:00Full of subtle harmonic changes and imaginative, e...Full of subtle harmonic changes and imaginative, expressive counterpoint completely absent in the original.<br /><br />Great composers like Bach, Mozart and Beethoven frequently took simple folk tunes, or drinking songs of their day, and fashioned them into wonderfully wrought sets of variations or inserted them as a theme in a movement of one their symphonies. The more banal the tune, the FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6758360225120003215.post-18644705733401997392017-03-12T11:30:25.915-04:002017-03-12T11:30:25.915-04:00BRAVO! Much finer arrangement the the Simon & ...BRAVO! Much finer arrangement the the Simon & Garfunkel original, which I always found tedious.<br /> <br />Hope to hear more from the excellent singing group.<br />FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.com