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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Monday, April 15, 2024

On Emergence...

...of Consciousness

David Chalmers coined the name “hard problem” (1995, 1996), but the problem is not wholly new, being a key element of the venerable mind-body problem. Still, Chalmers is among those most responsible for the outpouring of work on this issue. The problem arises because “phenomenal consciousness,” consciousness characterized in terms of “what it’s like for the subject,” fails to succumb to the standard sort of functional explanation successful elsewhere in psychology (compare Block 1995). Psychological phenomena like learning, reasoning, and remembering can all be explained in terms of playing the right “functional role.” If a system does the right thing, if it alters behavior appropriately in response to environmental stimulation, it counts as learning. Specifying these functions tells us what learning is and allows us to see how brain processes could play this role. But according to Chalmers,
What makes the hard problem hard and almost unique is that it goes beyond problems about the performance of functions. To see this, note that even when we have explained the performance of all the cognitive and behavioral functions in the vicinity of experience—perceptual discrimination, categorization, internal access, verbal report—there may still remain a further unanswered question: Why is the performance of these functions accompanied by experience? (1995, 202, emphasis in original).
Chalmers explains the persistence of this question by arguing against the possibility of a “reductive explanation” for phenomenal consciousness (hereafter, I will generally just use the term ‘consciousness’ for the phenomenon causing the problem). A reductive explanation in Chalmers’s sense (following David Lewis (1972)), provides a form of deductive argument concluding with an identity statement between the target explanandum (the thing we are trying to explain) and a lower-level phenomenon that is physical in nature or more obviously reducible to the physical. Reductive explanations of this type have two premises. The first presents a functional analysis of the target phenomenon, which fully characterizes the target in terms of its functional role. The second presents an empirically-discovered realizer of the functionally characterized target, one playing that very functional role. Then, by transitivity of identity, the target and realizer are deduced to be identical. For example, the gene may be reductively explained in terms of DNA as follows:
 
1) The gene = the unit of hereditary transmission. (By analysis.)
2) Regions of DNA = the unit of hereditary transmission. (By empirical investigation.)
3) Therefore, the gene = regions of DNA. (By transitivity of identity, 1, 2.)
Chalmers contends that such reductive explanations are available in principle for all other natural phenomena, but not for consciousness. This is the hard problem.

The reason that reductive explanation fails for consciousness, according to Chalmers, is that it cannot be functionally analyzed. This is demonstrated by the continued conceivability of what Chalmers terms “zombies”—creatures physically (and so functionally) identical to us, but lacking consciousness—even in the face of a range of proffered functional analyses. If we had a satisfying functional analysis of consciousness, zombies should not be conceivable. The lack of a functional analysis is also shown by the continued conceivability of spectrum inversion (perhaps what it looks like for me to see green is what it looks like when you see red), the persistence of the “other minds” problem, the plausibility of the “knowledge argument” (Jackson 1982) and the manifest implausibility of offered functional characterizations. If consciousness really could be functionally characterized, these problems would disappear. Since they retain their grip on philosophers, scientists, and lay-people alike, we can conclude that no functional characterization is available. But then the first premise of a reductive explanation cannot be properly formulated, and reductive explanation fails. We are left, Chalmers claims, with the following stark choice: either eliminate consciousness (deny that it exists at all) or add consciousness to our ontology as an unreduced feature of reality, on par with gravity and electromagnetism. Either way, we are faced with a special ontological problem, one that resists solution by the usual reductive methods.
Tim William Eric Maudlin (born April 23, 1958) is an American philosopher of science who has done influential work on the metaphysical foundations of physics and logic.

Education and career

Maudlin graduated from Sidwell Friends School, Washington, D.C. Later he studied physics and philosophy at Yale University, and history and philosophy of science at the University of Pittsburgh, where he received his Ph.D. in 1986. He taught for more than two decades at Rutgers University before joining the Department of Philosophy at New York University in 2010.

Maudlin has also been a visiting professor at Harvard University and Carnegie Mellon University. He is a member of the "Foundational Questions Institute" of the Académie Internationale de Philosophie des Sciences and has received a Guggenheim Fellowship.[1][2] In 2015 he was elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences. He is the founder of the John Bell Institute for the Foundations of Physics in Sveta Nedilja, Hvar, Croatia.

Since the academic year 2020–21 Maudlin is Visiting Professor at the University of Italian Switzerland.[3]

Tim Maudlin is married to Vishnya Maudlin; they have two children.

Philosophical work

In his first book, Quantum Non-Locality and Relativity (1994), Maudlin explains Bell's Theorem and the tension between violations of Bell's inequality and relativity.

In Truth and Paradox: Solving the Riddles (2004), Maudlin presents a new resolution to the "Liar Paradox" (for example, the sentence "This sentence is false") and other semantic paradoxes that requires a modification of classical logic.

In The Metaphysics Within Physics (2007) the central idea is that "metaphysics, in so far as it is concerned with the natural world, can do no better than to reflect on physics".[4]

Metaphysics is ontology. Ontology is the most generic study of what exists. Evidence for what exists, at least in the physical world, is provided solely by empirical research. Hence the proper object of most metaphysics is the careful analysis of our best scientific theories (and especially of fundamental physical theories) with the goal of determining what they imply about the constitution of the physical world.[5]

Maudlin delves into fundamental topics of cosmology, arguing that laws of nature ought to be taken as primitive, not reduced to something else, and that the passage and direction of time are fundamental. On this theory the arrow of time has a single direction and time is asymmetric, contradicting the quantum-mechanical idea of time's symmetry and other theories that deny the existence of time, as championed by physicist Julian Barbour.[6]

I believe that it is a fundamental, irreducible fact about the spatio-temporal structure of the world that time passes. [...] The passage of time is an intrinsic asymmetry in the temporal structure of the world, an asymmetry that has no spatial counterpart.[...] Still, going from Mars to Earth is not the same as going from Earth to Mars. The difference, if you will, is how these sequences of states are oriented with respect to the passage of time. [...] The belief that time passes, in this sense, has no bearing on the question of the 'reality' of the past or of the future. I believe that the past is real: there are facts about what happened in the past that are independent of the present state of the world and independent of all knowledge or beliefs about the past. I similarly believe that there is (i.e. will be) a single unique future. I know what it would be to believe that the past is unreal (i.e. nothing ever happened, everything was just created ex nihilo) and to believe that the future is unreal (i.e. all will end, I will not exist tomorrow, I have no future). I do not believe these things, and would act very differently if I did. Insofar as belief in the reality of the past and the future constitutes a belief in a 'block universe', I believe in a block universe. But I also believe that time passes, and see no contradiction or tension between these views.[7]

Maudlin defends his view over rival proposals by David Lewis and Bas Van Fraassen, among others. Lewis analyzed natural laws as those generalizations that figure in all theoretical systematizations of empirical truths that best combine strength and simplicity. Maudlin objects that this analysis rides roughshod over the intuition that some such generalizations could fail to be laws in worlds that we should follow scientists in deeming physically possible. Van Fraassen argued that laws of nature are of no philosophical significance, and may be eliminated in favor of models in a satisfactory analysis of science. Maudlin counters that this deprives one of the resources to say how cutting down its class of models can enhance a theory's explanatory power, a phenomenon readily accounted for when one takes a theory's model class as well as its explanatory power to derive from its constituent laws (Richard Healey, University of Arizona).[8]

In Philosophy of Physics: Space and Time (2012) Maudlin explains the philosophical issues of relativity to a lay audience,[9] though some of his arguments, like his divorcing of the resolution of the twin paradox from the presence of acceleration for the travelling twin, have been criticised in the literature.[10] In New Foundations for Physical Geometry (2014) he proposes a new mathematics of physical space called the theory of linear structures. Maudlin's subject is specifically empirical spacetime, which he believes a kind of linearization describes better than abstract topological open sets.[11][12]

86 comments:

Anonymous said...

\\Why is the performance of these functions accompanied by experience? (1995, 202, emphasis in original).

Well... when we'd start making robots with a consciousness... it will became apparent. ;-)

Anonymous said...

;-P

Anonymous said...

Well... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/16/undersea-hybrid-warfare-threatens-security-of-1bn-nato-commander-warns

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Robot-chickens?

Underwater infrastructure worries? The horror!

When do we transition to Wartime Production mode? When their done with the Covid test kits?

Anonymous said...

After you USA would postpone need to DO SOMETHING with wars far-far-away...

they will come. ;-P

Anonymous said...

Well... I meant, it looks like marketing opportunity... ;-) for you know what. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A million plastic drones? ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or a hundred self-assembling ones?

Anonymous said...

Spoiler:Obscene. But... have Romans or Greek have something like that in their practice. ;-P

Anonymous said...

\\A million plastic drones? ;)

Recon is the base.

But... they can carry something more interesting too. To stick to that nasty submarines fins too.

Or... what do you propose? Million of aqualungists... doing meden agan? ;-P

Over precious pipes and cables?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Perhaps a backup comms and energy system (ie nuclear) would make more sense.

Anonymous said...

Cost/effectivness... yawn.

If you/I/we/USA/whatever would have resources to make 200% of everything -- why nobody did it YET???? ;-)

Anonymous said...

He added: “We have particular attention on the Russians at the moment, but it’s very difficult to have a permanent surveillance of every cable; it’s not possible. A lot of nations – Norway, Sweden, Denmark as well – have developed drones, sensors, UUVs [uncrewed underwater vehicles] to be able to detect very rapidly [something] suspicious or something going wrong.”


Definite market for a cheap dispensable drones tech. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Being able to identify the actors behind hybrid attacks was vital, said Maleterre, but he admitted it could be challenging, comparing it to tracking down the perpetrator of a cyber-attack. “If the Russians are using very high-handed capabilities – and I cannot go into details but we are talking about submarines and nuclear submarines – that’s very, very tough; very difficult,” he said.

And piece of cake with my tech.

That subs... they would nit be even exit their ports. ;-)

Anonymous said...

But... who cares.

Everything need to be dome THE HARD WAY.

With bumping with own face. Again and again.

That's what "Head first" motto really mean. ;-P

Anonymous said...

https://www.politico.eu/article/balticconnector-damage-likely-to-be-intentional-finnish-minister-says-china-estonia/

Anonymous said...

See??? Initiative is ALWAYS on the side of ATTACKER.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Cost/effectivness... yawn.

Redundancy. Survivability. Anti-fragility. *yawn*

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You should try playing American football. I played two positions in HS (as well as special teams). Offensive guard, and defensive tackle. Both positions require strategy (play calling) and tactics (maneuvers for execution).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and it helps to be able to "read your opponent" (guard v. tackle). Sun Tsu.

Anonymous said...

\\Redundancy. Survivability. Anti-fragility. *yawn*

In producing "just in case needed" stockpiles???? :-)))))))

That is not redundancy. That's -- deficiency.

Soviet Union tried it -- where's that Soviet Union???

Wanna same foe USA??? To remain only in History.

As yet one example of Pyramids Builders??? %-)))))))))))))))))))00





\\You should try playing American football. I played two positions in HS (as well as special teams). Offensive guard, and defensive tackle. Both positions require strategy (play calling) and tactics (maneuvers for execution).

Same as you... can try to play computer strategy games. ;-)

Well... my suggestion, is much more simple to make use of. ;-P




\\...and it helps to be able to "read your opponent" (guard v. tackle). Sun Tsu.

Yeah... and MY suggestion helps to understand simple(?) idea of mobilization race -- one who was able to mobilize first, have immense advantage.





-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

We're too busy developing "green energy" and "battery technology" and paying lip service to luxury values like "DEI" and "ESG" to do anything smart like "mobilization". The dumbing down continues...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Our policy is for affirmative action. Justice (social) triumphs over wisdom, daily. We promote the incompetent to "manage" those passed-over. Mediocrity is our motto.

Anonymous said...

Yeah... until Pearl Harbor 2.0.

Well... that's why I propose my Tech.

That can have important effect -- just a rumors of it, can delay wars... because rivals will be thinking "oh, they have NEW weapon we don't have... let's find what that weapon is and make it ourself".

Cold War times technological race effect.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Then send an Unsolicited proposal to DARPA.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and get yourself a $1b government grant like Elon did.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or try sending it to Elon. At least an idiot won't be evaluating your proposal.

Anonymous said...

\\...or try sending it to Elon. At least an idiot won't be evaluating your proposal.

He is surrounded with idiots... that will not allow for it to breakthrough.

Well...

as our communication showed -- I have a big problem to formulate it a way easy to understand.

Like, as I see, even you still treat it as mere bazzwording.

And that although I have had quite a long time to explain and elaborate my missive.

Something... I *TOTALY* do not see happening under that bright "Unsolicited proposal to DARPA" suggestion.

Especially... if people like Mr.B(r)in sitting there and "evaluate" it. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yes, I treat it us buzzwords, because it throws out the way everything is done today.

Normal Science does not just "step aside" for every Revolutionary science that comes along. It must be SHOVED aside by a faction of true believers that proves them fools.

Anonymous said...

\\Yes, I treat it us buzzwords, because it throws out the way everything is done today.

Dunno how it can be.

While it INCREMENTALLY built on most advanced today industrial capabilities: 3D-printing, CAD Coputer Aided Engineering, Robotics, use of Software simulations and "newest" machine learning and etc buzz-wording. (shy)

Means... it is NATURAL development of what already exist.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and yet none of the normal development pipelines (govt/industry labs) seem suited for its' development.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...it would seem to require thousands of bourgeois independent startups.

Anonymous said...

\\ It must be SHOVED aside by a faction of true believers that proves them fools.

It not as I heard.

It is just natural process.

Old people naturally... "going out of business". While new smart/brainiacs... they just treat it as natural thing.

That observation was naturally made on example of QM development.

At first... even Max Plank himself -- was bewildered and unhappy, with own discovery.

But then... just new youngsters came, to which E = hv was most natural thing.

And devised E=mc2. ;-P

But... they themself became old people... and unable to phatome new things...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...with no minds towards "profitability".

Anonymous said...

\\...and yet none of the normal development pipelines (govt/industry labs) seem suited for its' development.

No?

I know lots of examples of made in labs... didn't I gave an example?

And all kinds of school level hobbists... I myself, in my youth, was used to take part in one such -- making toy planes. With motors even.

And now, all that drones, robots, LEGO Robots!

That is Kindergardners level!!!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You're missing the "environment" of Einstein. He was "outside" of the university halls. And during WWII, the University labs became tools of government agencies (much as they remain today).

Do you work in a Patent Office?

Anonymous said...

That is the problem.

There is NO single point where my idea is breakthrough.

It... in combinating known and existing.

Same... like it was with Wright's Plane -- actually, it was made in a bikes workshop....

out of already used and available elementary base.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Then join or start your club for hobbyists, already. Perhaps all you need to do is share your "general assembly theory". Even Ben Franklin had to invent the principles of electricity.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Einstein didn't order Eddington to prove his theory. He put them out there, and it inspired Eddington to prove it. Afterwards, Einstein got the credit he deserved when Princeton? gave him a position and a lab.

Anonymous said...

All problem... with all that made in labs gimmicks -- you know it?

It's -- application of it.

There is NO, or no easily usable/demonstrable sphere of use of it.



Like I devised "robots to build on Mars", "fish-like robots to spy on subs" or etc...

It would be damn nifty... to have em already.

SAME, like it was nifty of niftiest -- to be able to cross ocean by air.

But...

Brother's Wright plane... was able to make some fare entertainment ONLY...

Anonymous said...

\\ Afterwards, Einstein got the credit he deserved when Princeton? gave him a position and a lab.

And what he created after that? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Brother's Wright plane... was able to make some fare entertainment ONLY...

BS. They opened a flying bicycle shop.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

And what he created after that? ;-P

Convincing Roosevelt to develop the A bomb?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

Heh... that's just a premise.

Do you REALLY think that FDR did not have spy reports???

Ones, he would not be able to talk about.

So... making it "here is a letter from a brainiac"...

it was providing "plausible denial" even -- if that project would prove unsuccessful -- that would be that brainiac fault.

Very convinient, isn't it? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - What was the "immediate usefulness" of Einstein's invention (Relativity)?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Heh... that's just a premise.

Yes, that seems to be a "big thing" in America. Parallel Construction they call it. Hiding the source. Like a "Casus Belli".

Anonymous said...

\\BS. They opened a flying bicycle shop.

Give me some slack. ;-P

I am just a miserly foreigner from far-far-away. Still.




"a place for work and a scientific atmosphere, which could not be better or more harmonious."

Still... not helpful.

Hunger and eagerness -- creates breakthroughs.

AKA.

Those who have money -- have no ideas.

Those who have ideas... have no money, naturally. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Those w/o money must buy on credit.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and grant money is the easiest to walk away from.

Anonymous said...

That is just... a truism??? :-)

As... many times it was tried -- all kinds of ways to "facilitate creativity".

But... did you have lots of examples of success... from any of such tryes???

Anonymous said...

\\btw - What was the "immediate usefulness" of Einstein's invention (Relativity)?

Discovery... not Invention. ;-)

That's... important differences.

Discoveries -- cannot be made any other way. And amount of em -- limited.

Like, there cannot be TWO Newton's Mechanics. Or TWO theories of relativity.



But... there can be... well, for at least in the beginning, several streams of innovative developments.


Like horse-less carts... there was steam, combustion and electric.

All kinds of planes schemes.

Wheeled and... screw??? steamships.

Anonymous said...

\\Yes, that seems to be a "big thing" in America. Parallel Construction they call it. Hiding the source. Like a "Casus Belli".

Yap.

"Everything is a tech"(tm) ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

But... did you have lots of examples of success... from any of such tryes???

Almost every instrument that flies of a NASA satellite supplied from a University is built with "grant money".

Anonymous said...

Naaah.

That is just ordinary academia-industry cooperation.

Where "scientists" reduced to mere craftsmen.

I mean REAL breakthroughs...

that things, are mostly random.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Doesn't happen The battery developers always run away with the money.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Need's nemesis is greed.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - You don't happen to be half-Zulu, do you?

Luxury beliefs rule America now.

Anonymous said...

Like something new...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I sure miss hanging up a sheet in the warehouse and watching 8mm porn projected onto it at lunchtime on Fridays. We just weren't a group of "high art" lovers like today.

Anonymous said...

Have you experience with any modern CAD/CAM/CAE???

It only came to me -- that I talking to you about such things, having in mind that you are engineer and have equal (or even greater) experience in it.

But... you was on managers roles from long before, right? And most probably all that revolution of CAD gone past you.

That's why you so inert.

Modern CAD... and that was 10-20 years ago, as I dunno what LATEST development are.

It was not just drawing. Just electronic blueprints.

But "solid modeling" -- it's when detail showed to you with 3D rendering. To see not only how it looks, but same time -- how it will be cut out on a NC mill.

Plus, there is simulations, like how it will react to a temperature and mechanical forces and... just whatever.

And that systems, like AutoCAD, ANSYS and etc... they are here, since forever.



And that is only with techs of 20th century.

From that time computers became more powerful. So now simulation can be not separate details, but whole BIG system.

Like combustion engine. Or even whole airplane.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Have you experience with any modern CAD/CAM/CAE

Only by proxy. I was an early user back in the early 80's, when it was used by teams of engineers and drafting personnel to largely creates blueprints (for an entire ship) which generated a limited number of tapes for cutting steel and machining parts. And so I've seen modern 3-D rotations/ renderings in real-time, stress analyses, etc, but mostly for static electronic and optical devices in which the only moving parts were usually deployable covers, often using springs and pyrotechnic devices. In my experience, these more complex systems usually had a single Mechanical Engineer creating a system design out of model parts from suppliers and other designers. And this engineer was typically the bottleneck for model integration and subsequent drawing "renderings" needed for manufacturing. Also, he supplied these model to a thermal engineer who would use it to build and run his models of thermal performance in space environments (suns/ shadows, etc.)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Operational modelling and simulations were usually done using space environments by our Flight Dynamics Facility personnel (formation flying, orbits & attitudes and developing command uploads for maneuvers).

And so yes, the mechanical models had many forms and uses during the design, build/assy and operational test and deployment cycles.

Anonymous said...

\\Only by proxy. I was an early user back in the early 80's

That's it!

Well, I also used only drawing part... as student.

But then, I saw as people used more advanced systems.




\\And this engineer was typically the bottleneck for model integration and subsequent drawing "renderings" needed for manufacturing.

Yeah.

Human in between machines -- that is the slowing down part of everything.

Nowadays. ;-P





\\And so yes, the mechanical models had many forms and uses during the design, build/assy and operational test and deployment cycles.

And now... just one step further -- to make SUPER-MODELing environment.

In which all that will be automated and simulated on bigger scale. ;-)

Only...

Little problem to which I pointed -- why it STILL not happening.

Just TOO MANY different non-formalized things stuck in-between that steps.

Thing... that need human involvement. And... unavoidable.

But.

It can streamlined -- if approach to all techs involved will be on SAME elementary base. ;-)

THAT's IT!

That's whole "my great idea" is about. ;-P

Not that great, isn't it?

But... it need to take into account all that hairy stuff...

And that where all problem reside. :-/

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It can streamlined -- if approach to all techs involved will be on SAME elementary base. ;-)

Isn't that math/measurement?

And trying to get them all to be on the same "business" base w/o proprietary secrets? foggeddabbouddit.

Even direct data exchange products seldom result in a direct exchange. Little quirks always cock it up, hence the "human intervention" to assure that the data incompatibilities get worked out.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I've been on more than one project where the manufacturer experiences a break and production and subsequently loses (and must re-learn) the "formula" for producing it. Optical filters can be particularly testy. Laser diodes, another.

Anonymous said...

\\Isn't that math/measurement?

Hah.



\\And trying to get them all to be on the same "business" base w/o proprietary secrets? foggeddabbouddit.

Well.

I used that example already -- why micro-electronics succeed?

Because of concept "Everything on a chip".

We... would not have such a luxurious items as smartphones... or even PCs.

If electronic schemes... as it was in OLD times.

Would need to be made out of DIFFERENT elements.

Like electronic tubes and small magnets, and etc...

That... even if miniaturized -- would not be possible to confine IN ONE small gadget.



And... on the OTHER side.

There is extravagant example of Evolution.

Based on principle EVERYTHING IS A CELL.

And LOOK... what a variety it was able to build up. ;-)

Anonymous said...

\\Even direct data exchange products seldom result in a direct exchange. Little quirks always cock it up, hence the "human intervention" to assure that the data incompatibilities get worked out.

Yeah...

That's why I told that what I need for "my great idea"... is brains -- first and foremost.

To see such problems before they start piling up. And mitigate em. ;-)





\\I've been on more than one project where the manufacturer experiences a break and production and subsequently loses (and must re-learn) the "formula" for producing it.

Yeah...

That's why it must be MORE advanced loop.

Not of technology. Creation and then presuming.

But loop of facilitation of technologies creation, and testing, and putting em into use...

Just like Evolution DO IT.

Without care about individuals.

Mass-Production not for a products... but for techs itself. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Just like... development of a computer program.



There is NO programmer who making it all from scratch: his own compiler, his own text editor, his own OS (though... that is very good way to learn programming).

But... using and re-using. Building OVER previous programmers solutions.

But...

without need for individual human to burn one's mind... with it.


Only controlling more high-level process... of breeding. For it to produce useful and interesting and not harmful results...

Herding and growing... like gardners and appleyard grower and cattle herders...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

IMO, the problem with such a Universal system is scale. Many manufactured products involves atomic level scales (like depositing 1 atom thickness of gold or other material on a wafer surface) but others don't require nearly that level of precision. It's why Subatomic/quantum physics differs from Astronomy-scale Einsteinian physics. No Grand Unified Theory has been developed yet. You need some sort of assembly theory for increasing levels of scale? Herding and growing at these different scales? I don't know. I just know that I can't wrap my head around it.

Anonymous said...

What for???

Anonymous said...

Do you know how to manage gazzillions of atoms????

That reside in smallest dollop... of that same water, for example.

It's interesting idea.

But... I also pointed to all that previous tryes to devise anything like that.

Erik Drexler -- busted!

Genome Project? Protein Folding?

Far from achivement anything profund too.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw

Anonymous said...

Means... I'm not a magician. To pull such treaks.

I am just a cultural prol, self-proclaimed technologist. ;-P

Anonymous said...

Well... as I explained before.

I decided to postpone all such kinds of tasks... to happy ever after, when I'd be able to become smarter. ;-)

And concentrate on realistic steps forward.

Anonymous said...

\\btw

Yeah... because it is UTTER BS.

To try to solve such problems with sheer numbers. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It's pretty freaky.

Anonymous said...

Meh...

imagine it going 3d.

Imagine it going photonic. ;-P

Imagine it going TRULLY atomic scale.

Imagine... what, you thought that there is no way to go up, up and away? ;-P

Anonymous said...

P=NP?

THAT is what *freaky* for real. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Imagine... what, you thought that there is no way to go up, up and away?

Like Time in a Black Hole.... ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The question's no longer "where" but "when".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

What's P=NP in a black hole?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

Anonymous said...

\\Like Time in a Black Hole.... ;)

And what is Time? ;-)





\\The question's no longer "where" but "when".

Not... if nukes will start flying. :-(((





\\What's P=NP in a black hole?

Damn interesting question... though I never heard about -- how gravity can influence computations. ;-P





\\Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

That's... just a thought experiment, still.

Did you hear about Newtonian Black Holes? ;-)

That is EXACT place where WE should apply our "I freakingly dunno" MOAR. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Time? Something I promised to put in a bottle at my wedding ceremony.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I must not be moving fast enough.