“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 21, 2025 at 1:20 PM Each piece (on its' own) will not work. Blend parts of them together.... who knows. I think that there are some good ideas there.
That's... looks like that same thing I tripping over in conversation with you. Again and again.
You seems like don't get what sistemic view and meta-thinking. And I cannot teach you. And not out of bad feelings. I just not a didactic type of a guy. I "follow my lead" guy.
Online Etymology Dictionary https://www.etymonline.com Etymology and meaning of the prefix "meta-" by etymonline meta-. word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from
I might be to be upset, but strangelly enough I find your non-understanding the same or even more interesting. Then agreement.
What is the reason of it? While I thought that I was pretty damn clear +- that there no "king's path"s from here to there. That NO modern tech can help to build an Ovo.
SAME as NO available tech and tools would allow brothers Write to make F-22. Or Black Bird, if you like. Or even Messershmit 109.
Only some toy-like construct out if wood planks, fabric and some nails. ;-p
But. Wasn't obvious -- that their design are grandpa of all modern flying machines?
Isn't Gershenfeld trying to ID the twenty building blocks needed for a universal constructor, for all machines? And from then on won't there always be an "outside" need to set goals for them... to serve as a source of "desire" that non-biologics don't have?
So far the evolution of all mechanical devices has really been the evolution of humans. Wouldn't it be nice if they evolved themselves. But they don't face threats, like "predators" that they need to 'adapt' to survive from. Their only worries are the external human parasites that seem to infect them... and do all their evolutionary duties for them... reproduction/ survival of the useful/ etc.
And as a technologist, shouldn't your focus be on extending this cyborg evolutionary process? The "old fashioned" way... trying to develop the "next step" to fulfill an immediate human need, and not trying to be a Wright brother trying to invent technology for an F-22?
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org Konstantin Tsiolkovsky His works later inspired Wernher von Braun and leading ... Tsiolkovsky influenced later rocket scientists throughout Europe, including Wernher ...
Exploring non-understanding(khm, interesting etymology of this word -- staying under... for recieving knowlage, didn't you think about it? how weird it might be looking?;-) seems like darn interesting thing. As in others, as in oneself. But to do that in oneself, one need to have very kin eye. As, one who observe knowing will be different person from previous non-knowing.
I remember my own struggles to understand how computer works (without access to any one, just from books) and what I was doing (playing with cards). But... after gaining understanding -- I lost track if what I did not understand previously.
And in other people. It seems on misstaking words for a things. Or... broken model of reality.
Like just recently, one dude was unable to understand what Wi-Fi is. Though that is just a way of transmission data over radio waves.
And he even have proper education and really understand what radiowaves is.
But. Are not that kin with computers. So, when I was talking about MHzs and GHzs he wad able to grasp it. But. When I mentioned Wi-Fi working over that broadband, his response was like: "Why you kidding me??? Wi-Fi is totally another thing!".
That's the problem, technology is advancing faster than epistemology (common understanding) can advance and incorporate it. In that respect it is "beyond the law". Not even "legal positivists" can keep up with it.
It has to. It's the first step of creating any society, especially if its' to be based in Natural Law and not legal positivism (which proscribes any "negative liberties" (as once existed in USA before everything became kitschy)
Well, I just a miserly anon and lowly barbarian from outskirts of Civilization. Even if able to talk in High Speach. ;-p
Well. Anyway. You already know MY answer to such questions (even though trying to ignore and evade it) -- became SMARTER, through practicing breakthrough tech(s?).
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 21, 2025 at 1:20 PM
ReplyDeleteEach piece (on its' own) will not work. Blend parts of them together.... who knows. I think that there are some good ideas there.
That's... looks like that same thing I tripping over in conversation with you. Again and again.
You seems like don't get what sistemic view and meta-thinking.
And I cannot teach you. And not out of bad feelings. I just not a didactic type of a guy. I "follow my lead" guy.
About video.
ReplyDeleteYou din't get what you see too.
Because folk music... it just unexisting in US.
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Yes, its' been replaced by "kitsch" in many countries, but the US in particular.
DeleteIt's why the old left (steeped in folk music) were so upset when Bob Dylan went "electric". Kafka "Josephine" wasn't allowed to go 'electric".
DeleteWorkers don't have the time to create folk music. Not enough "idleness".
DeleteSo our so-called "culture" is manufactured for us by the Culture Industry and Hollywood as "kitsch".
DeleteWell.
DeleteThis video is exactly is a kitch.
Yawn.
Cloud Serf kitsch. :)
DeleteCloud Serf Profilicity.
DeleteSo what is meta-thinking to you? Schizoid (horizontal)(before power represses the flows of desire) or hierarchical (after power represses the flows)?
ReplyDeleteNext floor of the Tower of Babilon, isn't that obvious?
ReplyDeleteOnline Etymology Dictionary
Deletehttps://www.etymonline.com
Etymology and meaning of the prefix "meta-" by etymonline
meta-. word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from
So what "power" is repressing it, forcing it higher?
DeleteIsn't that where the "meta" comes in? From post-modern to meta-modern? From a single power to multiple powers. To many futures, and not just one.
Delete//So what "power" is repressing it, forcing it higher?
DeleteNot power.
Angle from which you are looking at it.
You can look at world from the level if grass roots (it's how you like to look at it, it seems)
Or... with hawks eye, from up-up over here.
;-)
Ah, Japanese Anime... the "god view".
Delete???
DeleteI might be to be upset, but strangelly enough I find your non-understanding the same or even more interesting. Then agreement.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the reason of it? While I thought that I was pretty damn clear +- that there no "king's path"s from here to there. That NO modern tech can help to build an Ovo.
SAME as NO available tech and tools would allow brothers Write to make F-22. Or Black Bird, if you like. Or even Messershmit 109.
Only some toy-like construct out if wood planks, fabric and some nails. ;-p
But. Wasn't obvious -- that their design are grandpa of all modern flying machines?
Isn't Gershenfeld trying to ID the twenty building blocks needed for a universal constructor, for all machines? And from then on won't there always be an "outside" need to set goals for them... to serve as a source of "desire" that non-biologics don't have?
DeleteAnd why any of that should be important???
DeleteUniversal constructors? Desires? Etc, etc, etc???
So far the evolution of all mechanical devices has really been the evolution of humans. Wouldn't it be nice if they evolved themselves. But they don't face threats, like "predators" that they need to 'adapt' to survive from. Their only worries are the external human parasites that seem to infect them... and do all their evolutionary duties for them... reproduction/ survival of the useful/ etc.
DeleteMechanical evolution (technology) is human.
DeleteA Cyborg Symbiosis
DeleteRemember the V'ger Star Trek I movie... We are the "carbon units infesting Enterprise".
DeleteMachines searching for their "creator" like humans reaching out to god, (or my Deist G_d).
DeleteWell, yeah... antropocentrism.
DeleteAgain.
Yawn.
And as a technologist, shouldn't your focus be on extending this cyborg evolutionary process? The "old fashioned" way... trying to develop the "next step" to fulfill an immediate human need, and not trying to be a Wright brother trying to invent technology for an F-22?
DeleteThere is a natural "order of things" that you're trying to anticipate and invent.... circumvent. Like Pre-Crime.
DeleteAn assembly order that uses available materials and develops the "code" (RNA/DNA) one step at a time.
DeleteTrying to build paradigms without consideration of the limitations of epistemes.
DeleteBad link, above.
Delete//And as a technologist, shouldn't your focus be on extending this cyborg evolutionary process?
DeleteLike with what? With proposing to people what they want -- more tools for killing each other?
Killing is only one desire. Pick another.
Delete//and not trying to be a Wright brother trying to invent technology for an F-22?
DeleteThat was not my choice.
Same as that was not Lem's choice -- to write about it in his Summa Technologia and Golem XIV.
Same way as... do you know about Tsiolkovski?
Poor village teacher... that leapfroged von Braun
With his ideas about rising into Space in rockets...
comfort. luxury. wealth. status. There are many more to choose from.
Delete
DeleteWikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky
His works later inspired Wernher von Braun and leading ... Tsiolkovsky influenced later rocket scientists throughout Europe, including Wernher ...
Or if your Ovo still haunts you, do as Lem did... write inspirational/ aspirational SciFi. Exhortations to virtue.
Delete//comfort. luxury. wealth. status. There are many more to choose from.
DeleteRecieve yet one moon-smack from Bruce Lee.
Deist, my ass. ;-p
And.
DeleteMaslov's Pyramid... up inside your rectum. ;-p
...and Lindy's up inside yours.
DeleteIf I understanding that Lindy correctly, it already living there, fulltime, in all living things. ;-p
Delete...and in fossils, apparently. Too bad your ovo don't harvest it and and build the protein factories needed to restore the extinct species from it.
Delete...in some grand Easter resurrection!
DeleteExploring non-understanding(khm, interesting etymology of this word -- staying under... for recieving knowlage, didn't you think about it? how weird it might be looking?;-) seems like darn interesting thing.
ReplyDeleteAs in others, as in oneself.
But to do that in oneself, one need to have very kin eye.
As, one who observe knowing will be different person from previous non-knowing.
I remember my own struggles to understand how computer works (without access to any one, just from books) and what I was doing (playing with cards).
But... after gaining understanding -- I lost track if what I did not understand previously.
And in other people. It seems on misstaking words for a things. Or... broken model of reality.
Like just recently, one dude was unable to understand what Wi-Fi is. Though that is just a way of transmission data over radio waves.
And he even have proper education and really understand what radiowaves is.
But. Are not that kin with computers. So, when I was talking about MHzs and GHzs he wad able to grasp it.
But. When I mentioned Wi-Fi working over that broadband, his response was like: "Why you kidding me??? Wi-Fi is totally another thing!".
:-)))))
That's the problem, technology is advancing faster than epistemology (common understanding) can advance and incorporate it. In that respect it is "beyond the law". Not even "legal positivists" can keep up with it.
DeleteThe harm is done before the law can outlaw it.
DeleteYep.
DeletePeople dieing. Children dieing. Is not a problem.
Some mumbo-jumbo (like is dRamp a felon?) -- THAT is THE problem.
Sigh.
Problem of our civilization -- being TOO civil. Up to loosing sync with Reality.
That's it.
The World is Will to power. And you, too, are that Will to power. - Nietzsche
DeleteAnd since truth is alchemy, all it takes is power to sustain it.
Become the tyrant, and all your dreams will come true. And the Law can be your tyrant, provided you're willing to use it.
Delete...just don't forget to payoff the Praetorians with surplus salaries! Your life is in their hands.
Delete//Or if your Ovo still haunts you, do as Lem did...
ReplyDeleteIf your deism haunts you... ;-p
It has to. It's the first step of creating any society, especially if its' to be based in Natural Law and not legal positivism (which proscribes any "negative liberties" (as once existed in USA before everything became kitschy)
DeleteHardly I can CARE about anything like that.
DeleteWell, I just a miserly anon and lowly barbarian from outskirts of Civilization. Even if able to talk in High Speach. ;-p
Well. Anyway. You already know MY answer to such questions (even though trying to ignore and evade it) -- became SMARTER, through practicing breakthrough tech(s?).
You just want to be the New Balkans...
DeleteYeah.
ReplyDeleteYou just fear to became smarter.
Boooring.;-p