Some notes on Zizek's "Why do we Enjoy feeling Ashamed":
Robert Faller - 2 revelations on shame
How shame functions: shame comes from outside in contrast to guilt (guilt comes from inside - feelings)
Subject of Shame see's itself as an obscene excess, an element which lacks a defined place in the symbolic order. not from Failure, not being good enough. Shame comes on suddenly, overwhelms us all of a sudden... w/no rational way out. Is not triggered by a "not enough", but of a "too much".
Guilt (inner feeling), comes from rational argumentation, counter argumentation and the possibility of pardon
How shame changed in today's culture. It's no longer shame of failure or weakness, but of the shame of an obscene "too muchness", which can even be success itself. Subject just wants to disappear. Shame comes from below, not above.
Agency of innocent observer/ observance, pure appearance (attempt to prevent an innocent observer from noticing them, where the duty of the ego is to maintain the appearance to prevent innocent observer from noticing ... maintain a public secret fails... in ALL persons present.) As if Big other didn't notice 'til then. Comes on suddenly when as "as if we don't know" breaks down for all present. The proper reaction is to ignore event totally and pretend like the Big Other didn't notice. As with Stalinism. Need to protect appearances. Like Speaking the unwritten rule? As with post below this in China w/Hu Jintao & Xi, et al.
The "excess" which causes Shame comes from a surplus enjoyment, when doing something one secretly enjoys + I enjoy this shame itself.
Putin is a pussy
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to ask him how else are we supposed to burn Russia of the face of the Earth if he wants to start talking like a damned dirty hippy. Fucking leftist.
\\The proper reaction is to ignore event totally and pretend like the Big Other didn't notice. As with Stalinism.
ReplyDeleteWTF Zizek know about Stalinism??? :-))))
Go give him a tour to North Korea. It's prisons especially. ;-P
Zizek is Slovenian. He grew up under Yugoslavia's "Stalin"... Tito.
ReplyDeleteCareful beamish. We just might get what you're asking for. War with Russia.
ReplyDeleteCareful beamish. We just might get what you're asking for. War with Russia.
ReplyDeleteIt could be worse. Some asshole will force the next generation to tolerate the existence of Russians on America's planet.
Hey, put it on the ballot and if America votes to take over the world, I'm with you.
ReplyDeleteBut I'll only support it if the project is stated explicitly as "common knowledge" and not merely "implicit" or "implied".
ReplyDeleteIt's bad enough that traditional manners demand we pretend Russian culture serves some beneficial purpose, but the Russians pointed nuclear weapons at my grandmother without permission, thus waiving their right to exist.
ReplyDeleteSounds like grounds for a ballot initiative...
ReplyDelete\\Zizek is Slovenian. He grew up under Yugoslavia's "Stalin"... Tito.
ReplyDeleteOne word as an answer -- Siberia. ;-P
\\Careful beamish. We just might get what you're asking for. War with Russia.
If you'd give to em HALF of your generals and best troops. ;-P
\\the Russians pointed nuclear weapons at my grandmother
ReplyDeleteThey STILL pointing them.
No, they started launching em. In test trials.
Like "little rocket man" Un doing.
But, what did Trump?
Yeah, he played role of coward in that "chiken" game.
That's why we deeping down into this calamities: Ukraine, Taiwan... now Iran, Pakistan.
What next?
"Little cross-border war" in Latin America?
African tribes suddenly deciding to follow ancestral cousins and go North?
While brandishing AK-47...
\\Zizek is Slovenian. He grew up under Yugoslavia's "Stalin"... Tito.
ReplyDeleteOne word as an answer -- Siberia. ;-P
And let him team up with Solzhenitsyn? Best keep them far apart. Maybe send him to Warsaw with Lenin? :P
\\Careful beamish. We just might get what you're asking for. War with Russia.
If you'd give to em HALF of your generals and best troops. ;-P
I would, but they're all in training learning how to use preferred pronouns and signing loyalty oaths to neo-liberalism.
Ukraine's philosophy and my philosophy are ultimately at cross purposes. Ukraine is fighting for that "one day" that Ukraine and Russia will be at peace again.
ReplyDeleteUkraine should be fighting to exterminate Russia until there is no Russia.
It's the same thing we faced in Iraq. War planners were challenged to find a way to bring order to 25 million people. A few more weeks of bombing they could have reduced the problem to bringing order to 25,000 people.
"People will say bad things about America"
ReplyDeleteOh God please no not that lol
For shame!
ReplyDeleteSide note question for FJ... Has Zizek ever presented his thoughts on Milovan Djilas?
ReplyDelete\\Ukraine's philosophy and my philosophy are ultimately at cross purposes. Ukraine is fighting for that "one day" that Ukraine and Russia will be at peace again.
ReplyDeleteThat is your DAMN Pentagon, CIA and "Gosdep" phylosophy.
Remember "Chiken Speach"? Nothing changes. USA state power STILL want to see Russia Unioted and with all nukes... to save em from headache of multitude of new countries with nukes, and to have Old Good and Cosy Cold War Enemy before them. To scary people to increase military budgets again. :-)))))
@Beamish,
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Zizek has spoken of him, but I couldn't find anything.
That is your DAMN Pentagon, CIA and "Gosdep" phylosophy.
ReplyDeleteEngrish?
I assume Gosdep is Russian for US "State Department". Remember the so-called gosplans?
ReplyDeleteYap. ;-) Go take cookie from a shelf.
ReplyDelete\\Remember the so-called gosplans?
ReplyDeleteBut, no. Gosplan that is singular. Own name of central planning organization.
That was producing and controlling of execution of that 5-year plans.
Gosdep doesn't have a gosplan?
ReplyDeleteIf judge em by flicks like "Madam Secretary"... naah, no plan. Just pulling for any and all strings available, in attempt to extinguish fire that emerges here and there... and only their brave work (with a cup of coffie in one hand and donut in another, go... imagine to yourself, whith WHAT they fix things ;-P) saves this entire world from inevitable collapse. :-)))))
ReplyDeleteJust make sure that the people at UNWRA get their checks...
ReplyDeleteFake peace doesn't come cheap.
ReplyDeleteWar even more costly.
ReplyDeleteAnd devastating to boot.
But still, there is jerks who claim that it's profitable...
Hesiod, "Works and Days"
ReplyDelete[641] But you, Perses, remember all works in their season but sailing especially. Admire a small ship, but put your freight in a large one; for the greater the lading, the greater will be your piled gain, if only the winds will keep back their harmful gales.
[646] If ever you turn your misguided heart to trading and with to escape from debt and joyless hunger, I will show you the measures of the loud-roaring sea, though I have no skill in sea-faring nor in ships; for never yet have I sailed by ship over the wide sea, but only to Euboea from Aulis where the Achaeans once stayed through much storm when they had gathered a great host from divine Hellas for Troy, the land of fair women. Then I crossed over to Chalcis, to the games of wise Amphidamas where the sons of the great-hearted hero proclaimed and appointed prizes. And there I boast that I gained the victory with a song and carried off an handled tripod which I dedicated to the Muses of Helicon, in the place where they first set me in the way of clear song. Such is all my experience of many-pegged ships; nevertheless I will tell you the will of Zeus who holds the aegis; for the Muses have taught me to sing in marvellous song.
I assume Gosdep is Russian for US "State Department"
ReplyDeleteWait. Q is a Russian? Well no wonder it was easy to identify him as an imbecile. A steady diet of dill seed and fetal alcohol poisoning has reduced that tribe of Down's Syndrome carriers to near infertile extinction. I feel better. I thought his people were going to linger a few more decades, like Pakistanis.
We need to capture as much dialogue from Q as we can. It is a shame of biology that the dodo bird went extinct before anyone recorded what they sounded like.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
ReplyDeleteSo, you a dodo? What a blander from my side, to think even that you a from mammals.
ReplyDeleteChicken brains... now it looks plausible. Perrots, can know how to say many-many words, but... have no freaking capacity to understand what they babble out. :-))))))))))))))))
\\Hesiod, "Works and Days"
ReplyDeleteMeaning of that... avoids me. Sorry.
It's a text.... from the 8th Century, BC.
ReplyDeleteHere is the complete text.
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ReplyDeleteO tempora, o mores!
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Well, downloaded. For futther skimming.
ReplyDeleteBut... what of it do you se as actual in 21st century? ;-)
from Wikipedia:
ReplyDelete"Oh what times! Oh what customs!";[1] a common idiomatic rendering in English is "Shame on this age and on its lost principles!", originated by the classicist Charles Duke Yonge.
Yes. After I read synopsis from wiki. Bribes, unfaithful relatives, moralists.... contemporal, nothing like that we can see today? ;-)
ReplyDeleteMaybe Lindy's right and there's no expiration date on human psychology?
ReplyDeleteOn the significance of 3,000 year old texts...
ReplyDeleteNow compare THAT to today's newspaper...
ReplyDelete\\Maybe Lindy's right and there's no expiration date on human psychology?
ReplyDeleteAll humans mortal.
Socrates human.
Socrates mortal.
Well, as we know, even Universe itself have its end... so...
You remind me of Lessing's son. ;)
ReplyDeleteProjection?
ReplyDeleteAlways.
ReplyDeleteWell... in physics, and in tech... that doesn't work. ;-P
ReplyDeleteLife is a chemical System that uses energy to keep itself from reaching chemical equilibrium. Equilibrium is the situation in which chemicals no longer have a tendency to react over time. :(
ReplyDeleteI wonder what Golum's fundamental program was... to seek "power"?
ReplyDeleteIt is also worth bearing in mind that GOLEM's "minimal" power consumption amounts to several dozen kilowatts, whereas the full power consumption of a human brain oscillates between five and eight watts.
ReplyDeleteSkynet and the machines will definitely be taking over. And you and I will be mere batteries.
ReplyDelete\\Skynet and the machines will definitely be taking over. And you and I will be mere batteries.
ReplyDeleteHow that called? "City legends"? :-)))
Though Vachovskies claimed directly that their idea of Matrix is from Lem...
but he never did write anything that devoid of reasonable backgrounds. ;-P
But... are you tracking it? To what extent that idea gone transforming in passing years?
From burlesque T-III to the latest one Return of Old Heroes? ;-)
And especially, Sarah Connor's Chronicles?
\\It is also worth bearing in mind that GOLEM's "minimal" power consumption amounts to several dozen kilowatts, whereas the full power consumption of a human brain oscillates between five and eight watts.
That was contemporary science applied.
Hard scifi, you know. ;-P
Well, if he'd be talking from a grain of sand... wouldn't it diminished importance of his words? So that was a clever treak, from Lem's side, to attract our attention to the fullest. ;-)
\\I wonder what Golum's fundamental program was... to seek "power"?
To seek the ring. ;-P
\\Life is a chemical System that uses energy to keep itself from reaching chemical equilibrium.
That is exact problem Lem pointed at -- our inability to understand complex processes... without introducing some "mind" behind it.
Animism.
Magical thinking.
Supestitions.
Bigotry.
Name to them Legion.
Nietzsche, "Will to Power" #1067 (1885)
ReplyDeleteAnd do you know what "the world" is to me? Shall I show it to you in my mirror? This world: a monster of energy, without beginning, without end; a firm, iron magnitude of force that does not grow bigger or smaller, that does not expend itself but only transforms itself; as a whole, of unalterable size, a household without expenses or losses, but likewise without increase or income; enclosed by "nothingness" as by a boundary; not something blurry or wasted, not something endlessly extended, but set in a definite space as a definite force, and not a sphere that might be "empty" here or there, but rather as force throughout, as a play of forces and waves of forces, at the same time one and many, increasing here and at the same time decreasing there; a sea of forces flowing and rushing together, eternally changing, eternally flooding back, with tremendous years of recurrence, with an ebb and a flood of its forms; out of the simplest forms striving toward the most complex, out of the stillest, most rigid, coldest forms toward the hottest, most turbulent, most self-contradictory, and then again returning home to the simple out of this abundance, out of the play of contradictions back to the joy of concord, still affirming itself in this uniformity of its courses and its years, blessing itself as that which must return eternally, as a becoming that knows no satiety, no disgust, no weariness: this, my Dionysian world of the eternally self-creating, the eternally self-destroying, this mystery world of the twofold voluptuous delight, my "beyond good and evil," without goal, unless the joy of the circle is itself a goal; without will, unless a ring feels good will toward itself--do you want a name for this world? A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best-concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?-- This world is the will to power--and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power--and nothing besides!
:P
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ReplyDelete\\This world is the will to power...
ReplyDeleteYap. Lem said all about it... in his minor rant. (yawn)
That phylosophers tend to exclude and overstate some ONE obscure trait and scream about it being universal.
Like in ancient time, in between that beardyu greeks there battle about WHICH element (you know: water, fire, air, earth) is suprime, or which all other consist of.
:P
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