“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
That all elements will come into communication and will produce... something.
I... as I babbled a lot (enough) here seems like can envision how it could be...
But only from purely technological standpoint. :-(
There is other facets: political, organizational, psychological, what else???
I myself... too dumb and know pretty much nothing about.
Maybe some hystorical ankdotes (that same Fulton coming to Napoleon, brawls between Edison and Tesla...) only.
While... that is DARN interesting -- to know NOT ONLY vision of some new tech possible(?)... but also, and first of all -- how, what is needed to make that new tech spread its wings. ;-)
Would you rather be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond? You may be too big for your pond, but the fish in this one swim in schools, so if you want to swim in it, you'll need a school.
I'm a minnow in mine (NASA). And not even an "official" minnow (I'm a contractor).
It's... independent of my volition or desires... that is, structure of Reality. I, as that miserly ant trying to explore. With my ant-steps.
How to explain it better, maybe?
Like that Einstain -- was it his OWN desire to make something that can make a Big Ka-Booms??? Hardly.
But... in result of doing what he really desire -- picking and poking with some scientific matters -- he came to understanding of possibility of that Big Ka-Booms.
And then... History itself made such a zigzag... which made that Einstain's Letter inevitable.
\\Well, I hope that you zig and zag at all the right times.
Ant riding a horse... can only hope. :-)
\\A merchant ship trying to evade enemy torpedoes when not travelling in a convoy. :)
Well... inner motives of a commercial company, is the same as of mere mortal -- and any other living being. Try to survive, try to feel good, try to spread yourself more.
But, for developer, for engineer, inventor, creator, scientist...
Now it's full-scale political pamphlet. Of WW2 politics. Which is still important and even resurfacing again.
Also... intelligent talk with intelligence agent... in a USA ambassy room... in the midst of full-bloom nazi Berlin... asking Jews -- are you Commie? ;-P
SOCRATES: But then, my dear friend, if a man knew all good and evil, and how they are, and have been, and will be produced, would he not be perfect, and wanting in no virtue, whether justice, or temperance, or holiness? He would possess them all, and he would know which were dangers and which were not, and guard against them whether they were supernatural or natural; and he would provide the good, as he would know how to deal both with gods or men.
NICIAS: I think, Socrates, that there is a great deal of truth in what you say.
SOCRATES: But then, Nicias, courage, according to this new definition of yours, instead of being a part of virtue only, will be all virtue?
NICIAS: It would seem so.
SOCRATES: But we were saying that courage is one of the parts of virtue?
NICIAS: Yes, that was what we were saying.
SOCRATES: And that is in contradiction with our present view?
NICIAS: That appears to be the case.
SOCRATES: Then, Nicias, we have not discovered what courage is.
NICIAS: We have not.
LACHES: And yet, friend Nicias, I imagined that you would have made the discovery, when you were so contemptuous of the answers which I made to Socrates. I had very great hopes that you would have been enlightened by the wisdom of Damon.
\\Perhaps it's time for the Tower of Babel" to fall again...
And with what effect? ;-)
Last time it was spliting of langs.
\\...and sorry if going biblical offends you. It's a book of wisdom.
Why should I? On what base? :-)
As Lem/Golem said "if I'd use organ as my sole musical instrument, people will start think about church... so be it".
\\...and we're all eating from the Tree of knowledge of Good & Evil all the time.
When I debated with religious, funny idea came to my mind (because that one religiot tryed to spin totally satanic idea -- that rule of gawd that is rule of blind obedience... while I double-checked and found that is not only totally repulsive but also against Fathers of Church teaching) -- what that Garden and Punishment plot was about.
That was just a "don't eat unripe fruit" story.
Like, when parents would buy a box of chocolate, and said to there kids "don't eat it now, it's for after dinner".
But kids, they are impatient. And would eat it out. And have their stomatches disturbed. And maybe, on the base of it, would think that that was punishment. And prohibition to eat, in general.
Like here, I can create some comment to answer to your...
But same time can observe inside my mind that working of it all -- how we both are intelligent agents/beings, using mere words to communicate...
but same time -- do our words from US themself? or they are from some dead philosophers?
And what that words do and can do, what their purpose -- are they miserly parasites, or some faithful simbionts, or maybe... purts of eternal soul? ;-)
But well... one level of META higher -- why do I refer to all that META? am I that intelligent myself? am I self-governing? or just trying to find some cosyness, in that verbal grooming. Self-satisfaction?
Who knows...
Maybe some Buddha... on his infinite level of META-thinking? ;-P
Hi there. I'm a detective. My name is Friday. I work on Saturday. She's my secretary. A guy walked by my office, I knew he was tall; we're on the seventh floor. Last week, a woman walked into my office. She pulled out a pair of 45s, then she pulled out a gun. She invited me to a party that night. As we were driving to the party, we got a flat tire. I pumped, she jacked, I pumped, she jacked, then we got out and fixed the tire. When we got to the party, everyone was feeling merry, but Mary had to leave. Then everyone started jumping for joy, but Joy got a headache...so when Joy left, we left. We went to her place. A rock broke through the window and hit her in the breast, I broke three fingers. I started petting her pussy, then her cat walked in. Her husband showed up...told me to beat it, so I did, then I left.
:-)
ReplyDeleteWell... small scale.
Imagine a bridge, made such a way. ;-)
And.
ReplyDeleteMinus Adaptive Tensegrity. ;-)
There is neither sensor, nor inner structures -- that could react/enhanse ability... the same as in biological structures.
And.
ReplyDeleteSuch adaptive structures -- that is natural space for AI development. ;-)
Sounds like you know a lot about this. it's all new to me.
ReplyDelete:P
ReplyDeleteWell... that is new... and very old. Same time.
ReplyDeleteLike billions of years of Evolution here on Earth.
"One who have eyes, will see". ;-)
PS But I dunno how to do that -- to open eyes of other people on such an obvious things...
:-(
ReplyDeleteI'm techy guy. Who have an eye for techs.
But that is... a social, or psychological tech, it seems. :-/
Funny how that works. what's "old" becomes "new again". I'm sure daVinci was ALL over this.
ReplyDeletecycles of fashion...
ReplyDelete...from the ping-pong game of choosing from uncommensurable "goods".
ReplyDeleteWatched documentary yeaterday.
ReplyDeleteAbout industrial design.
Found that it reminds to me something.
Making new unseen things. Things from the Future.
Centering on garmonization of different shapes and materials. Ergonomics. Ecoligically non-harming. Appealing to people's aestetics.
Wide use of CADs. ;-P
Fig. 1. Left: hardware prototype of SUPERball version 2 (SBv2) at NASA Ames. Right: Simulation of SBv2 adaptively locomoting across rough terrain.
ReplyDeleteObviously.
Elements of it already present.
Question is only: WHEN, WHERE and HOW???
That all elements will come into communication and will produce... something.
I... as I babbled a lot (enough) here seems like can envision how it could be...
But only from purely technological standpoint. :-(
There is other facets: political, organizational, psychological, what else???
I myself... too dumb and know pretty much nothing about.
Maybe some hystorical ankdotes (that same Fulton coming to Napoleon, brawls between Edison and Tesla...) only.
While... that is DARN interesting -- to know NOT ONLY vision of some new tech possible(?)... but also, and first of all -- how, what is needed to make that new tech spread its wings. ;-)
Respond to an RFI/RFP?
ReplyDeleteDo you still think that I am USAian who fakes being foreigner?
ReplyDeleteWhile I was even banned from one of your social networks... just becuase my foreigner's ID was of not suiting kind they'd approve.
Do you think I can apply to that... like that?
Surely the nation you live in buys things. Respond to their equivalent. Surely the EU buys stuff. There you go.
ReplyDeleteYou can guess... :-(
ReplyDelete"Is there no prophet in the land"
Well... you know about Lem -- big results he achived? in his own land.
Well... von Braun, Tesla, oh... Einstain.
Would they be AS big, or eveb just known... if they would try to accomplish what they did... while staying at home?
Well... Napoleon -- Emperor of Migty State of Corsica? %))
Well... problem with market... we discussed it, isn't it?
There is SUCH types of markets, that freakingly do not exist...
Like trans-Atlantic flight -- before Vilbur and Orvile.
Or Personal Computers -- before Woz and Jobs.
Slavery and Piracy... before Columbus. ;-)
Would you rather be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond? You may be too big for your pond, but the fish in this one swim in schools, so if you want to swim in it, you'll need a school.
ReplyDeleteI'm a minnow in mine (NASA). And not even an "official" minnow (I'm a contractor).
It's... independent of my volition or desires... that is, structure of Reality. I, as that miserly ant trying to explore. With my ant-steps.
ReplyDeleteHow to explain it better, maybe?
Like that Einstain -- was it his OWN desire to make something that can make a Big Ka-Booms??? Hardly.
But... in result of doing what he really desire -- picking and poking with some scientific matters -- he came to understanding of possibility of that Big Ka-Booms.
And then... History itself made such a zigzag... which made that Einstain's Letter inevitable.
Well, I hope that you zig and zag at all the right times.
ReplyDeleteI have a slightly different context to that analogy, btw.
ReplyDeleteA merchant ship trying to evade enemy torpedoes when not travelling in a convoy. :)
or trying to evade a wake-homing torpedo.
\\Well, I hope that you zig and zag at all the right times.
ReplyDeleteAnt riding a horse... can only hope. :-)
\\A merchant ship trying to evade enemy torpedoes when not travelling in a convoy. :)
Well... inner motives of a commercial company, is the same as of mere mortal -- and any other living being. Try to survive, try to feel good, try to spread yourself more.
But, for developer, for engineer, inventor, creator, scientist...
playground looks a little different...
Ohh... series about Einstain on TV. :-)
ReplyDeleteModern version -- with emphasis on role of women. Psychologism. Etc.
Do you believe in Noosphere... like your Gaia idea, only in sphere of intellect. ;-)
ReplyDeleteNoosphere as a form of collective human intelligence? I suppose the internet or a collection of books is something like that.
ReplyDeleteAs for a new Einstein series... @@ *rolls eyes*
After "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel", "The Great", and "Queen's Gambit" I have little interest in "imagining" a more "inclusive" history.
\\Noosphere as a form of collective human intelligence? I suppose the internet or a collection of books is something like that.
ReplyDeleteYap.
\\As for a new Einstein series... @@ *rolls eyes*
Yap.
\\After "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel", "The Great", and "Queen's Gambit" I have little interest in "imagining" a more "inclusive" history.
Well... not my cup of tea, too. :-)
...again, another one of our recently acquired 1st world values...
ReplyDelete...that must go through tests of Time. ;-)
ReplyDeleteBest bet on Lindy. :)
ReplyDeleteDynamic equilibrium... is so, dynamic. ;-)
ReplyDeleteSerie #6 of that, about Einstain.
ReplyDeleteNow it's full-scale political pamphlet. Of WW2 politics. Which is still important and even resurfacing again.
Also... intelligent talk with intelligence agent... in a USA ambassy room... in the midst of full-bloom nazi Berlin... asking Jews -- are you Commie? ;-P
Liberal art. :-)
\\I'm a minnow in mine (NASA).
ReplyDeleteWell... do great people do great deeds? When was last time you saw it?
Ordinary people do great things... and then became called "great". ;-)
...as they say in the bible, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Such is the banality of evil (Hannah Arendt).
ReplyDeletePerhaps it's time for the Tower of Babel" to fall again...
ReplyDelete...and sorry if going biblical offends you. It's a book of wisdom.
ReplyDelete...and we're all eating from the Tree of knowledge of Good & Evil all the time.
ReplyDeletePlato, "Laches"
ReplyDeleteSOCRATES: But then, my dear friend, if a man knew all good and evil, and how they are, and have been, and will be produced, would he not be perfect, and wanting in no virtue, whether justice, or temperance, or holiness? He would possess them all, and he would know which were dangers and which were not, and guard against them whether they were supernatural or natural; and he would provide the good, as he would know how to deal both with gods or men.
NICIAS: I think, Socrates, that there is a great deal of truth in what you say.
SOCRATES: But then, Nicias, courage, according to this new definition of yours, instead of being a part of virtue only, will be all virtue?
NICIAS: It would seem so.
SOCRATES: But we were saying that courage is one of the parts of virtue?
NICIAS: Yes, that was what we were saying.
SOCRATES: And that is in contradiction with our present view?
NICIAS: That appears to be the case.
SOCRATES: Then, Nicias, we have not discovered what courage is.
NICIAS: We have not.
LACHES: And yet, friend Nicias, I imagined that you would have made the discovery, when you were so contemptuous of the answers which I made to Socrates. I had very great hopes that you would have been enlightened by the wisdom of Damon.
\\Perhaps it's time for the Tower of Babel" to fall again...
ReplyDeleteAnd with what effect? ;-)
Last time it was spliting of langs.
\\...and sorry if going biblical offends you. It's a book of wisdom.
Why should I? On what base? :-)
As Lem/Golem said "if I'd use organ as my sole musical instrument, people will start think about church... so be it".
\\...and we're all eating from the Tree of knowledge of Good & Evil all the time.
When I debated with religious, funny idea came to my mind (because that one religiot tryed to spin totally satanic idea -- that rule of gawd that is rule of blind obedience... while I double-checked and found that is not only totally repulsive but also against Fathers of Church teaching) -- what that Garden and Punishment plot was about.
That was just a "don't eat unripe fruit" story.
Like, when parents would buy a box of chocolate, and said to there kids "don't eat it now, it's for after dinner".
But kids, they are impatient. And would eat it out. And have their stomatches disturbed. And maybe, on the base of it, would think that that was punishment. And prohibition to eat, in general.
The bible is some pretty old fruit from Lindy's.
ReplyDeleteDry and Juice-less. :-(
ReplyDeleteYes, that was Emerson's take as well (Lecture to Harvard Divinity School). It lacks a SOUL.
ReplyDeleteMarx had the same problem. History (or even biblical "history") is too dry and juice-less.
ReplyDelete...no rewards in THIS world.
ReplyDeleteStill... new things, not foreseen before, possible in this world... isn't that are... well, closest subsitute for a "blessing"?
ReplyDeleteSorry for asking such questions... I just not that wise... yet(?).
ReplyDeleteWasn't Lessing's son the wisest?
ReplyDelete\\who was wise enough to quit the world
ReplyDeletebefore he ever read a word of Frederich Nietzsche.
Huh... isn't that most simple, and most UNinteresting thing to do? :-(
\\From an impossible distance he watches
Very possible today... with that quadrocopter? Do you have one? Tryed? Watched some videos from one? From first person view? ;-)
Well...
ReplyDeleteMeta-thinking -- funny thing.
Like here, I can create some comment to answer to your...
But same time can observe inside my mind that working of it all -- how we both are intelligent agents/beings, using mere words to communicate...
but same time -- do our words from US themself? or they are from some dead philosophers?
And what that words do and can do, what their purpose -- are they miserly parasites, or some faithful simbionts, or maybe... purts of eternal soul? ;-)
But well... one level of META higher -- why do I refer to all that META? am I that intelligent myself? am I self-governing? or just trying to find some cosyness, in that verbal grooming. Self-satisfaction?
Who knows...
Maybe some Buddha... on his infinite level of META-thinking? ;-P
...or are we merely bored and whimsically entertaining ourselves whilst we wait for Lessing's son's inevitable fate?
ReplyDeleteI'm with Lacan on this one. All language is "surplus" jouissance" (enjoyment). What we all crave is the real thing.
ReplyDeleteHi there. I'm a detective. My name is Friday. I work on Saturday. She's my secretary. A guy walked by my office, I knew he was tall; we're on the seventh floor. Last week, a woman walked into my office. She pulled out a pair of 45s, then she pulled out a gun. She invited me to a party that night. As we were driving to the party, we got a flat tire. I pumped, she jacked, I pumped, she jacked, then we got out and fixed the tire. When we got to the party, everyone was feeling merry, but Mary had to leave. Then everyone started jumping for joy, but Joy got a headache...so when Joy left, we left. We went to her place. A rock broke through the window and hit her in the breast, I broke three fingers. I started petting her pussy, then her cat walked in. Her husband showed up...told me to beat it, so I did, then I left.
ReplyDelete\\All language is "surplus" jouissance" (enjoyment).
ReplyDeleteWell... naturally. That is how our brains built. To yoke us with worldly chores. ;-)
\\What we all crave is the real thing.
Hmm... that presumes that we can know what is real thing... hmm?