Wednesday, June 5, 2024

A Critique of Religion and Its' Versohnung Secular-Civil Equivalent Ideologies

A Buddhist master called Wenyi from the 10th century told a story: 
Once there was a monk who lived in a small temple. On the door he had written the character "spirit". On the window he had written the character "spirit". On the wall he had written the character "spirit". The master said, 'On the door you should write the character "door". On the window you should write the character "window".  And on the wall you should write the character "wall".'

The Moral: Beware of 'totalitarian' Grand Narratives and all things you're not supposed to make fun of (ie - why idealogues lose their sense of humour on certain subjects).


Excerpts from the above Hans-Georg Moeller video:

So what is religion, or what is civil religion today? First, I think it's some form of dogmatic non-negotiable master narrative that frames some sort of moralistic worldview. Then, importantly, it's strongly emotionally charged. It channels affection, it channels emotions like love and hate, it establish us and them distinctions. And you see this both in the Christian religion, but also, as I said, like in populism or in Woke-ism as civil religious post-Christian phenomena. Then, it's publicly displayed and celebrated in speech, in certain symbols, and specifically in ritualistic behavior, right? Traditionally, we have the Christian rituals and the Christian symbols. And today we have something like virtue signaling, or, in the case of the conservatives, like jingoism and nationalism. Then, it is also both civil religion, and religion, that are used to adorn economic and political actions. Christianity was used to legitimize and adorn Imperialism, right? The boats that brought the opium to China would also bring weapons and bibles.

Similar, as we showed in other videos, civil religion today is used to adorn not only capitalist corporations and their woke branding, but also even the CIA. Then, it is emphasized in education. Traditionally in Europe, schools and other educational institutions were run by the church. And today there's a very strong source, for instance of woke-ism in educational institutions.

It has to be added in Christianity we have different schisms. Later on, importantly, the schism between Protestantism and Catholicism. In Islam we have the schism between Shi'a and Sunni. And as mentioned, in contemporary civil religion, we have this schism between more left-wing woke-ism and more right-wing populism.

Perhaps the shortest definition of what Religion and Civil Religion is, is that religion and civil religion is that what you're not supposed to make fun of.

I think like Christianity in the past, and civil religion today, also produces false relief from suffering, right? It reassures society of its values, right? Defense of individual autonomy, democracy, but at the same time, it distracts from economic issues, poverty, joblessness, a critique of the commodification of everything. It all seems less important than these moralist messages. So somehow it sustains a capitalist economy by focusing on moral, rather than socio-economic problems.

Then secondly, there is an aspect of intolerance and aggression attached to it. Civil religious narratives very strongly frame both internal and external "them versus us" conflicts, right? Woke-ism and populism fight one another, on the one hand, but then, externally, they join in some form of new Cold War. Nowadays, for instance, against China, which is seen as a threat to certain core Western values that unite the woke-ism people and the populist people, again, having to do with something like individual autonomy and democracy. So it seems now that some form of new Opium War might become possible which again will be fought in the name not of Christian values, and not of the Christian master narrative, but in the name of the post-Christian civil religious narrative.

Then, civil religion, like traditional religion, provides some form of ecstasy, some form of highs. Like cocaine, it makes people feel good about themselves, gives them the moral high ground, right? You see this in virtue signaling, but you see it also in Trumpism, whatever, in the capital riots where people feel a strong sense of entitlement and feel very good about them.

So civil religion today, as the people's cocaine, also attaches itself, like traditional religion, to every aspect of life. At least it can do so, right? The media today, for instance, no longer simply report. They spice everything up with religious framing, right, depending on which media. If you watch CNN, you have a tendentially a woke-ist framing, if you watch Fox, you have a tendentially rightist, populist framing of basically everything and anything.

Then, how individuals express themselves through, for instance, memes, also, is very strongly indicative of certain civil religious persuasions. Then, of course, it also determines who you hang out socially with, right? It determines, in this sense, your social life. Then, it determines often the brand choices you make. Some certain brands are more woke, and other brands are more traditional, then, very importantly, sexuality and gender are also highly charged. Just as it was the case in traditional religion, now they're highly charged with "civil religious meaning", right? How you practice your sexuality and how you see your gender almost becomes a form of revelation and display of your civil religious faith. So again, civil religion, like traditional religion, can turn people into possessed and obsessed addicts, it doesn't necessarily do so, but it can do so. And, importantly, it defines people's identity.

It lends itself, not always but sometimes, to obsessive self-profiling, right? You identify yourself, and others, in terms of civil religion. It becomes a major profile marker that is hard to avoid, it's difficult to evade, right? It's difficult to find any neutral ground. And, thereby, the civil religious framework is increasingly internalized by users. It gives a strong boost of the sense of selfhood and of your experience of yourself. There is a strong investment in it. So, in this sense, I like the metaphor of cocaine better than the metaphor of opium when it comes to civil religion, rather than to traditional religion, because it very strongly boosts the perception of individual identity.

As we saw with Marx, traditional religion, Christianity, was still somehow tied to sincerity-based enactment and identification with roles, specifically family roles. However in civil religion, there's a much stronger emphasis on the individual and the shaping of an individual's profile, rather than the shaping of traditional role identities. And cocaine, too, as a drug of choice today, where opium isn't that widely consumed anymore, also I think highlights a kind of narcissistic individual self-display.

So, what to do about civil religion? Inspired by both Marx and Zen Buddhism, I think it's important to acknowledge and understand its function. It's also very important to critique it publicly. Then, it's important to develop a capacity to resist, and also subvert it. And finally, as for cocaine and alcohol, for civil religion, especially on Christmas, the advice is to consume responsibly.

102 comments:

  1. You... storming open door. AGAIN!

    Religion -- is just manifestation of traditional society.

    And who are biggest consumers of religious stuff -- women! ;-)

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  2. Will not be disclosed there... so.



    \\The chutzpah! Coming to another's blog, demanding freedom to ignore rules of conduct which others follow without difficulty

    Yap. "Rules" of being sycophant. ;-P



    \\whining when told to follow the rules

    And what that rule is???

    "Do not say Truth we have nothing to repel with"? ;-P




    \\Sound about correct?

    In your self-deluded mind??? Yep, it reverberate just O.K. in your empty skull.




    \\Fact check - the many faced troll conflated the E Jean Carroll trial with the 'hush money' case

    Because it is BOTH are cases of unlawful political persecution.

    Tryes to destroy POLITICAL OPPOSITION through corrupt trials.




    \\in order to bury the story before a presidential election elevating the crime from misdemeanor to a felony for election interference

    Yeah... NOBODY else, like DEMN politics, do the same.

    Yawn.



    \\Yes, there was a law enacted in NYC that allowed humans with sexual assault/rape accusations whose statute of limitations had expired a small window to achieve legal satisfaction.

    WHO ELSE... was it used against... apart from dRump????

    And... do you know principle -- LAW CANNOT HAVE Back In Time FORCE!

    It's NOT possible, NOT allowed -- to make NEW law, and punish people for something stated as crime in that law... in time BEFORE that law was legislated! Period.

    No... you don't.

    Because you all just a bunch of DEMN-cretins.

    That praising USA turning totalitarian -- where nobody care about such thing.

    And laws -- is just a stick to punish political dissent.




    \\But they knew that, this was just an opportunity to muddy the waters in order for their slime to be less noticed.

    No.

    There is just NO document of that sham trial. To dig into it and reveal all unlawfulness of it, from the first hand sources.

    That's why that DOCUMENT still NOT released. To make people to forget. And not DIG into it.

    Because they know -- how shameful and obviously unlawful that trial was.

    Yawn.









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  3. RULE AGAINST RETROACTIVE LEGISLATIONTHE RULE AGAINST RETROACTIVE LEGISLATION:A BASIC PRINCIPLE OF JURISPRUDENCE
    By ELMER E. Smead*

    THE bias against retroactive laws is an ancient one. That Greeks were influenced by it is shown by the case of Timokrates and the Athenian Ambassadors. There the Ambassadorshad withheld money owed to the city-state, and were condemned to repay twice the amount. Timokrates succeeded in securing the enactment of a law to relieve the Ambassadors of this penalty,but, as a consequence of the efforts of Demosthenes, the law was held to be invalid because it was retroactive.
    From this case Sir Paul Vinogradoff has drawn the conclusion that the Greeks recognized the principle expressing opposition to retroactive laws which is a very important element in American law today.It is clear, furthermore, that the Roman Law included the same principle, as shown in several prohibitions laid down by the Corpus Juris Civilis. The Digest gives as a rule that the law-giver could not change his course of action to the injury of another per-son. "Nemo potest mutare consilium suum in alterius iniuriam." The principle, however, was more dearly stated by the Code,which declared that laws and customs should be given an operation on future transactions and that they cannot be recalled to past facts unless it is stated expressly that they apply either to past time or to pending transactions."

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  4. Ha-ha... (in that snarky boy from Simpsons voice)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/retroactive

    LII Wex retroactive

    retroactive
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    A law, administrative agency rule, or court decision that imposes liability on individuals for prior actions. Adjudications are by their nature retroactive applications of the law. That is, a judicial body necessarily determines whether a litigant’s past events violated a law. However, retroactive application of statutes or rules are generally disfavored. That is, an individual will likely not be found liable for violating a statute if that statute was not in effect at the time of the individual’s conduct predicating the alleged violation. For example, in Landgraf v. USI Film Products, the U.S. Supreme Court denied application of a federal statute which directly addressed the issues being litigated because it was passed during the litigation, emphasizing the presumption against retroactive application of statutes. The principle of disfavoring retroactive application of the law is rooted in the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, i.e. the due process clause. Put another way, it is not considered fair for an individual to be liable for violating a law that did not exist at the time of the alleged violation.

    Nevertheless, courts may allow retroactive application of statutes, regulations, or standards under certain circumstances. For example, in SEC v. Chenery II, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed retroactive application of an SEC adjudicatory proceeding which applied a new standard of conduct, stating: “Every case of first impression has a retroactive effect, whether the new principle is announced by a court or by an administrative agency. But such retroactivity must be balanced against the mischief of producing a result which is contrary to a statutory design or to legal and equitable principles. If that mischief is greater than the ill effect of the retroactive application of a new standard, it is not the type of retroactivity which is condemned by law.”

    Federal courts have also been much more receptive of retroactive application of tax laws as well. For example, in U.S. v. Carlton, the U.S. Supreme Court, while recognizing the protections of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, held that an amendment to a federal estate tax statute limiting the availability of a deduction and its retroactive application did not violate the Fifth Amendment because the taxpayer did not rely on the previous statute, Congress corrected an error in amending the statute, and the application only extended retroactively by one year.

    [Last updated in April of 2021 by the Wex Definitions Team]

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  5. Idiocracy... IS THE Law!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  6. ""
    Once the principle was thus established it was adopted by the English courts and commentators. It indicated the attitude which the courts would take toward any statute. That attitude was one of opposition to construing a statute so as to make it apply to cases arising prior to the enactment of the statute or to acts from a time anterior to passage. The principle expressing this opposition was united with the concept of justice in such a way that it became a basic part of that concept, and a violation of the principle was thought to work an injustice.

    Thus Coke8 declared that no Act of Parliament should be construed in such a way as to do a man any damage when he was free from wrong. Also, he maintained that one was punished or injured if he were affected dis-advantageously by the retroactive application of a law.Furthermore, this concept of justice, of which the maxim was thought to be an element, was united with the theory of the nature of law.

    >>>An essential character of laws was held to be applicability only in the future.<<<


    Thus, in the thought of that period on the nature of justice and the characteristics of law, these were combined and interwoven with a resulting strengthening of the fundamental nature of the principle itself. This is illustrated very well by Blackstone. He pointed out that all laws should be made to operate in future because it is reasonable that they be prescribed or promulgated and there can be no promulgation where they commence at a time anterior to enactment. In support of his view of the necessity and reasonableness of promulgation, he declared that as a matter of justice laws should not be enforced before the subjects have an opportunity to become acquainted with them.9
    ""


    It seems... it really WAS. ;-P



    Now it...


    https://oxcon.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law-mpeccol/law-mpeccol-e454

    Retroactive Application of Laws
    Manuel Brunner

    Content type:
    Encyclopedia entries

    Article last updated:
    September 2021


    Product:
    Max Planck Encyclopedia of Comparative Constitutional Law [MPECCoL]

    Subject(s):
    Retroactive application of laws — Comparative constitutional law

    General Editors: Rainer Grote, Frauke Lachenmann, Rüdiger Wolfrum
    Managing Editor: Martina Mantovani
    1 A law sometimes applies retroactive changes to the legal consequences or the status of an action that was committed, or relationships that existed, before the enactment of the respective law. Such laws are also known as ex post facto laws. The term derives from Latin ex post facto, meaning ‘out of the aftermath’. Such laws may cause constitutional problems whenever they affect the legal position of the individual, as retroactive application is contrary to the basic function of a liberal constitution, namely the principle of legal certainty. The principle of...


    Well.

    I'm not expert.

    But it looks like from site "Oxford Law Citator".

    So, it look pretty authoritative, isn't it?

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  7. ""Also, in criminal laws it was thought to be unjust to punish a man for an act which had not been a crime at the time it had been committed5 and one of Sir Francis Bacon's Maxims6 was designed largely to indicate this.""

    But well... Bacon is not an authority... to modern woke cretins. ;-P

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  8. Preaching to the choir, Q.

    None of this likely made it to post at pShaws.

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  9. Well... you could use it as reference. ;-)

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  10. I went the "bill of attainder" route instead of the "retroactive laws" route. They're next to each other in the Constitution. ;)

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  11. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3

    No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

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  12. Well... retro-activity, it's pure Logic.

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  13. And cretins -- do not do logic.

    Yawn.

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  14. I don't think that the concept of there being "illegal laws" influences legal positivists seeking "positive liberty" (as opposed to limited government's enforcing 'negative liberty")(Isaiah Berlin, "Two Concepts of Liberty")

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  15. btw - The above position makes me a "classical" liberal, as opposed to a "progressive" one.

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  16. Yep... totalitarians. ;-P

    Are... traditional society VS civilized one. ;-P

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  17. Patriarchal VS legalist system.

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  18. Ying VS Yang. ;-P

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  19. In a dynamic equilibrium..

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  20. To understand bigger things -- easier than to understand small things. ;-)

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  21. Deductive way... it much easier and much more fruitful... than inductive way you are practicing. ;-)

    "Knowing few principles... spares from remembering multitude of facts"(c)

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  22. I choose re-discovery back from first principle(s). ;-)

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  23. Then how can contemplate the development of your Ovo?

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  24. CONTEMPLATE | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary
    Cambridge Dictionary
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org › ...
    to spend time considering a possible future action, or to consider one particular thing for a long time in a serious and quiet way: [ + -ing verb ] I'm ...

    Isn't that *exactly* what I do?

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  25. Well, to achieve "operational success", I recommend that you finish contemplating and begin working harder at planting your Ovo hyperstitions

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  26. Is it practical? Yawn.

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  27. There is different facets.

    Like... knowing WHAT to do, knowing HOW to... other types of knowledge.

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  28. That's what I do.

    From both sides. From bottom up and from up down.

    Bottom up -- it's idea of making based on evolution ideas (consisting of cells).

    Up down -- idea of tiers -- that gives to it bigger picture, why it interesting and for what it can be used, in general. ;-)

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  29. I still want one of those dick-sucking fish for the local swimming pool.

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  30. Body language, no? ;-P

    Or... Bi-den just in fear that his dick could be sucked? ;-P

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  31. Hah... what again???

    Ah, yes... "dikk", yes?

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  32. Or what????

    Biden is stop word NOW??? :-)))))))))))))))

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  33. Naah. Biden is like, "I'd better read my note...."

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  34. I about picture. And it being banned in spam.

    Sucked?

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  35. Body language.

    Ze feels itself confortable enough. Though, not very centered on his opponent.

    While Bi-den -- legs crossed, it's even more defensive position than hands crossed.

    Telling: "please, don't hit my balls". ;-P

    Naturally.

    All that idea behind stopping aid for a half... well, almost for year.

    Was to make Ze more softer and subservient.

    But... it only back-fired...

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  36. Need to wise up? ;-)

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  37. Yeah...

    "Winners... do not learn"

    Yawn.

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  38. Hah... that pShaw disclosed my comment... where it directed against you. ;-P

    Wanting to incite dissent? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))00

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  39. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  40. How do you like being the testing ground for DOD defense contractors as they profit from your "Shanzai fixing" of defects with your own lives. Does the Ukrainian government or Zelensky get the royalties for them?

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  41. 10.000.000 Golodomor and 10.000.000 ww2.

    Was that BETTER, to be testing grounds of BOTH heinous totalitarian regimes???

    Can you grasp it at least analytically... if not emotionally? Yawn.

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  42. Or... do you think that full-fledged occupation will be any better than premices of it: massacre in Bucha, leveling to a ground Mariupol???

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  43. Or... maybe, you think that liliPut have in his mind any better destiny... than Hitler have had for a Jews???

    Like... just before war started, in February... they was discussing bright idea -- how to build several multi-million cities... in the polar regions of Siberia...

    think that was A JOKE??? Some random sightseeing??? Dreamy plans???

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  44. Or... that people who ALREADY are under occupation. All that minorities liliPut happy to send to the war as cannon fodder... as the first order goal.

    And MOST POPULAR... is freshly occupied Ukraine territory population.

    Do you know how many males remain there... in that "most protected by Donbas"???

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  45. And well... what good it could make to USA????

    Do you understand... that just THAT MOMENT... when POTUS of USA will agree to meet with liliPut, to start negotiations -- attack on NATO will start.

    Just in the process of that negotiations.

    JUST... as it was with Ukraine.

    Do you think YOUR CURRENT POTUS have any guts, to participate in such "negotiations"???

    Really?????? %-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  46. I hear that the Russians are buying up Georgia now. They don't need tanks. Rubles are growing stronger by the moment, up 20% in the last month alone.

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  47. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Just to make gullible Westerners like you think "Russia... it's strong".

    Well, continue-continue, remain in your delusion.

    I happy with that, that it is NMP.

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  48. Meanwhile... RFia military plane tested borders of NATO.

    Yawn.

    We are in the beginning of ww3... but you still in denial.

    Well... you have some time.

    Indulge yourself while you can. Be my guest.

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  49. Did you talk to him? Or just send him a unilateral missive? Why don't your drones have radios to "talk them out"? I know, too intellectual. :(

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  50. There is NUMEROUS tryes to "talk em out". On Youtube.

    For example, vlogger -- Ochakov TV USA

    THEY... do NOT want to be "talked out".

    They want YOU to submit.



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  51. I can't find that highbrow research... from your side.

    Of a problem of communication with Muslims. As the aftermatch of your failure in Aphganistan.

    And they came to understanding -- that all problem in Culture Understanding.

    Where your fellow American thinking about win-win scenario, his Middle East adversary pushes to ALL WIN is mine.

    Well... they was living in REAL empires. That was most richest and most powerful, through ages.

    And still united under green flag of common religion.

    While you... they see you as a fluke of History.

    Soon to perish.

    So... why they need to bargain with you????

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  52. Another word -- they looking at you...

    as you looking at gay pride. ;-P

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  53. And all your tries to say that you are conservative TOO. That you want only return to Ol'GooTimes.

    That is NOTHING to em... because you DO NOT do kneeling... three times a day. ;-P

    In northern direction.

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  54. Pass into Ol'Goo'Times club -- is CLOSED to your puny USAians. ;-P

    You not passing and NEVER will be, face control there.

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  55. I mean... even dress code there. ;-P

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  56. Yeah, we're too stupid to adapt to different cultural situations. Like the war in Iraq. The smart move would have been to ally with Al Sistani and Moqtada al Sadr. Iraq AND Iran would have been US tributary colonies running through CIA out of Najaf by now if we had.

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  57. Our woke-moral-puritanism is causing defeat AFTER defeat.

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  58. Yeah...

    And now, it dragging you into BIG war...

    Yawn.

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  59. We're not being dragging. The puritans are stampeding Europe into it.

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  60. Attack Russia now, or we'll throw you out of NATO!

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  61. Naaah... that's your own path.

    And your arch-enemy -- China.

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  62. The only question for Europe is whether or not the populists can garrote their globalist leaders in time to avoid the hot war.

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  63. Maybe they should align with China afterwards and break free of the American yoke.

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  64. \\Attack Russia now...

    What we have for now???

    Normalization of wars started by anyone apart USA? Checked!

    Organization of Anti-NATO??? Naaah, Anti-USA blocks and even military orgnizations? Checked!

    USA showed that it FEARS nukes??? And not even nukes... even ordinary weapon, because of "es-ca-la-tion". Checked! Checked! Checked!

    That is all stones of that road made of yellow stones into city of Oz... oh, sorry, into ww3.

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  65. \\The only question for Europe is whether or not the populists can garrote their globalist leaders in time to avoid the hot war.

    You surely think that times under Nazi occupation... was like summer camp???

    And... people of Europe -- DO NOT remember about that times. And ready for em to return???

    Well... yeah, because that is NOT YOUR CULTURE experiences...

    Yawn.

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  66. Do our own stampeding. Like WWI, then II. If you get too far behind, maybe we'll come late to the party.

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  67. Yeah... and your country have NO history sending your youth here to take part in battle.

    Yawn.

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  68. Well... that's what I mean.

    You, using all that previous historical experience -- could've skirted it.

    But...

    your "expert society" have TOO LITTLE understanding of History.

    That's why all your blunders.



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  69. your country have NO history sending your youth here to take part in battle.

    With good reason, so no reason to start now.

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  70. Isn't -- to make something so there'd be NO reason to send em -- is damn good one?

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  71. Like WWI? A war to end all wars? How'd that work out? The object in life is not to conquer all threats, but to persist among st them. Didn't evolution teach you anything? The means to an end, that never ends. Science, For the cake!

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  72. Well... ostrich that hid its head in a sand... still will have it's ass bitten out. ;-P

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  73. I can await the day, instead of running towards it.

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  74. Well... that is NOT your responsibility, anyway.

    Even if you'd decide to do something about it -- what resources you do have to change something, anything???

    That's why I centered on thinking about Tech(s).

    That is things I can think about on my own, without much hassle.

    Things like bettering human society??? with conventional methods to boot????

    Thank you, but no, thank you. ;-P

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  75. Like what Navalny did -- tryed to do it with common methods while proposing values, caritas and meden agan. ;-P

    You know how it ended isn't it?



    PS Method of Gandhi -- do not work anymore.

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  76. Yeah... and where is Navalny?

    SAME trick... will not work any more.(that's what Derpy dunno... you too?)

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