Saturday, June 22, 2024

Hauntology II - The End of History

from video above:
...contemporary postmodern culture has lost its ability to creatively imagine the future. In 2020. Merlin Coverley published his book, "Hauntology: Ghosts of Future's Past". In this Book Coverley traces hauntology back to the mid-19th century. Although the term was first introduced in the late 20th century by Jacques Derida. And the decision to look for the origins of hauntology in the dusty lanes and alleys of the Victorian era seems justifiable and reasonable. The Victorian era was rich in ghost stories, and various thinkers with rather esoteric ideas. Most importantly, it was the time when technology, such as photography, became available. Ghosts have to be "captured", and what better way to capture them than with a camera, or an audio tape? Coverley points out that technology is a vehicle for the capture of ghosts, so it's not paradoxical that hauntology is relevant at the time of technological development. Access to recording and playback opens a window for hauntological activity. Humans have always been obsessed with archiving and documenting their experiences through technology. But now, in the age of smartphones and cameras, the past is not only remembered, it is constantly replayed. What is television, but a parade of future ghosts? What is this video, but a recording of a future ghost's walk?

In "Hauntology", Coverley excavates a few long forgotten British thinkers of the late 19th and early 20th century. One of them is John William Dunn, an aeronautical engineer and philosopher, author of "An Experiment with Time". According to Dunn, there isn't just one timeline, but an endless sequence of parallel timelines. We can access a higher dimension of time, for example while dreaming, since Dunn's theory was that dreams are made up of images of past experiences, and images of future experiences, mixed together.
Deja Vu, or the feeling of having seen something before is also embedded in this Theory, Deja Vu being seen simply as cases where this breach in time is visible for a short period. This theory is rather esoteric, and is based soley on the experiences reported by the author. But this principle of uncovering layers and layers of time is relevant to hauntology because hauntology is, in a way, the manifestation of cultural Deja Vu, the Eternal repetition of identical moments that by repeating themselves, cease to be identical. like the Droste's Effect. This effect was named after the design on the Droste's Cacao tin, which used an image that eternally reappears within itself. This process is also called "recursion", where something is defined in terms of itself, but by referring to itself, it transforms. In his 2019 book, "Recursivity and Contingency", Yuk Hui defines recursion as "an incessant self-referential movement that integrates contingency into its own functioning in order to realize its' ultimate goal.

Recursion seems to be relevant to many fields such as Computer Science, Linguistics, Philosophy, Art, and so on. As Michael Corbalis points out in "The Recursive Mind, recursion allows us to mentally travel through time, to project ourselves into the future, and the past. If we approach hauntology from the perspective of recursion, it seems that the spatial temporal ambiguity of our current cultural moment is not so paradoxical. It is par for the course. As Simon Reynolds points out in his "Retromania", we are currently witnessing a deceleration of culture compared to the acceleration of Technology. Technological development coincides with cultural stagnation, because technology itself allows us to constantly repeat ourselves, to relentlessly engage with the ghosts of the past. It feels like I've seen this (place) before, but where...?
America, a nation trapped in a flat, technologically constructed, infinitely recursive, Cultural Loop of Un-Time

150 comments:

  1. Yawn. Decadence.


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    100 years ago USA was still fresh and young and on the brink of new journey, so all the problems of Old World was like not about you...

    but now, you catch up with all of us here.

    Yawn.

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  2. pShaw, oh, that pShaw %-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


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    \\ Not to be believed!

    And who cares about you UNABLE to believe Truth? ;-P





    \\He switches between a fake nonEnglish grammar to PERFECT American-English grammar.

    What a stupid idea. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    What for???

    And well... what is that "PERFECT American-English grammar"??? "Yo, mazafaka", is it it? ;-P



    \\"unknown" is no foreigner. It's -FJ/JoeCon/Thersites/unknown.

    \\It's so obvious!

    Even though my writing style is so obvious.

    You still prefer to show itself DEMN-stupid. :-))))))))))))))))))))))






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  3. Heh... it ate post about pShaw... ;-P

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  4. When I used to argue with several progressive bloggers, I used to think that they were the same person, too. THAT's how you can tell you're arguing against an ideology/ religion. Individuals are just the "styles/ aesthetics of the faithful.

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  5. Yeah... if one are religious bigot -- everybody are heathens to it. ;-P

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  6. It's also a sign of the lack of trust, or caritas, that should be there, but is lacking. "You're trying to deceive us! You're trying to trick us! Get thee away from me, Satan!"

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  7. Oh... it disliked "bigot"

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  8. They can't believe that you're honestly advocating for a DIFFERENT GOOD. One that is incommensurable with the GOODS that the other advocates for.

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  9. Oh... it disliked "religious"

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  10. Oh... it disliked "heathens"

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  11. bigots are ideological "By Gotts" are religious. Religion has been "secularized".

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  12. Yeah... spam0bot dislike "bigots". ;-P

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  13. ...and the secular profusely refuse to accept the religious nature of their secular beliefs.

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  14. \\It's also a sign of the lack of trust, or caritas, that should be there, but is lacking. "You're trying to deceive us! You're trying to trick us! Get thee away from me, Satan!"

    There's subjective and objective part to it -- what part do you like to discuss.

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  15. \\They can't believe that you're honestly advocating for a DIFFERENT GOOD. One that is incommensurable with the GOODS that the other advocates for.

    Because they DUNNO Logic. ;-P

    So they feel threatened by any smart argument of yours. ;-P

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  16. Solaris...meet the humans. A different form of "intelligence"... and totally "alien".

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  17. Well... to you.

    For me, who lived in both worlds... well, err. :-)))) I heared about it, have read in books only. About that other World.

    Where Logic -- just Works! :-))))))))))))))))))

    I, more accustomed, to "50 shades of grey"... well, no, not accustomed. Wrong word.

    But... that is MY experience.

    That's why I not surprised of it.

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  18. Admit it, FJ.

    We are from SAME island.

    Small-small island... in the ocean of idiocy.

    It's just you lived on a highlands of it.

    While I... one who was thrown on a shore of it, by random play of winds and currents... :-/

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  19. There's plenty of logic... it's merely applied towards reaching a different end/Good and applied a fetishistic disavowal towards inconvenient facts. I know xxxx, but.... does not apply.

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  20. ...and the problem isn't idiocy, our universities have shown that intelligent, logical people like Brinn can be educated into accepting idiocy.

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  21. \\There's plenty of logic...

    Naaah.

    That's your illusion. From living on a highlands.

    You sure that everywhere are fresh air, fresh water and mild sun.

    But... in the ocean of idiocy -- ALL water are solty one. Air -- suffocating. And Sun are hot, like in the midst of a desert. :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((

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  22. Value shape factual narratives. Facts don't shape themselves.

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  23. ...like Brinn...

    You mean David Brin???

    He, is quite special case. As sci-fi writer.

    I tried for at least to give him benefit of a doubt because of this.

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  24. Yes, Brinn. He simply wishes for more "altruism". Meden agan!

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  25. I don't live in the "highlands"... just the "middle".

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  26. \\Value shape factual narratives. Facts don't shape themselves.

    "Theory define what fact is"?

    But... VERY-VERY few people -- who trying to build some theories.

    For at least 50% (I mean females) -- DO NOT DO that. Because that is AGAINST their evolutional program. ;-)

    And that females -- teach their children NOT logic... but magical thinking.

    And "those, who know better" BASE their power ON THAT people.

    And promote MAGICAL THINKING.

    As the main mode of life.



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  27. The Jack in the beanstalk story comes to mind... magic beans for cow, and goose laying golden egg.

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  28. Fairy tales, magical thinking.... nails for portraits of Daedalus.. to keep "right opinion" from running away.

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  29. \\I don't live in the "highlands"... just the "middle".


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    Where it looks like it endless... but ends abruptly, with a cliff. :-/



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  30. Since knowledge is a birdcage of paired birds (cause/effect) in a large aviary of loose birds (Plato, "Theaetetus").

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  31. \\Fairy tales, magical thinking.... nails for portraits of Daedalus.. to keep "right opinion" from running away.

    Yeah.

    That's how 90%... or even 99% of hoi poloi living.

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  32. \\...incommensurable with you own?

    ???



    \\Yes, Brinn.

    ???


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    \\He simply wishes for more "altruism". Meden agan!

    Yeah.

    Magical thinking.

    That there's some "altruism".

    Yawn.




    \\a fetishistic disavowal towards inconvenient facts.

    Naaah.

    That is fear.

    Or mind -- very capable with concealing Truth to us... when that Truth accompanied with something we fear. It make it "invisible" to us.

    That is -- NATURAL capability of our mind. One that Evolution bestowed on us so we could survive.







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  33. Is knowledge really "birds"...? That's just MY "portraii of Daedalus"... fairy tale, magical thinking from Plato.... a tool for "remembering".

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  34. Fear? Think more "jouissance". If the truth is "unpleasant"... it will likely be rejected.

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  35. happiness is an overcoming of the unpleasant. And an afterglow of joy.

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  36. pShaw, chasing all those unpleasant posts out of her blog...

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  37. There is TWO types of intelligence.

    One which in our bodies -- that one, which, as in every animal -- allows that animals to survive.

    Intelligence of a frog -- of how to use it's tongue to snatch mosquito. And kitty's claws -- to catch mouse. Or of a human female, of how to wiggle her lower body -- to got a husband. ;-P

    And... that intelligence -- DO NOT need Logic. It works. Just Works! On that inner logic Evolution inserted into that bodies.



    And. Intelligence of our Mind. That needs Logic -- to sort it out, all that mountains of trash and garbage, we tend to call Knowledge. And even Education. Expertise? ;-P

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  38. ...they disturb her perpetually maintained state of "happiness".

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  39. cerebrum and cerebellum.

    The cerebellum stores all the muscle memory sequences for firing motor beurons.

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  40. It's what you develop (the correct sequence) when you "learn to ride a bike".

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  41. \\David Brinn.

    Why two "nn"s???




    \\Fear? Think more "jouissance". If the truth is "unpleasant"... it will likely be rejected.

    Naaah.

    To those to whom all decided on -- is it pleasant. Truth or Lies of Logic is of NO use.

    Even if they'll accept it.

    Like... DEMN-woke-cretins ACCEPTED "Climate Change"... so what??? WHAT they was able to use it for???

    Did they bought and intalled solar panels??? Did they start sorting out their garbage??? Bougth and set on theor window some live plant????

    Naaaaaah. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    That "knowledge" is NOT for USING it. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  42. And women simply have a different "good" in mind. It's called "hypergamy". Establishing a "good environment" for successfully raising a child.

    And differences between men (and cultures), some are endogamous, and other, like us, exogamous. (Different "goods" being served).

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  43. But for a Rational Intelligent Mind -- fear it's what tells you "Don't go there. It's Dark there"

    And that's what happened with DiBi (Mr. Dr? David Brin, renowned and venerated, still somewhat famous, sci-fi writer) -- he KNOW all that mottos of Rational Thinking. And even that chant about fear-numbing of mind. But.

    Was NOT able to overcome it... to go into Dark places, anymore.

    Because???

    Well... it's up to him, and his own problem.

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  44. As for global warming... I think it's mistaking cause-effect. warming-CO2.

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  45. I know CO2 causes global warming but... I look around and everything's so pleasant... I'll buy that EV and be carbon free in 2050....

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  46. \\And women simply have a different "good" in mind. It's called "hypergamy". Establishing a "good environment" for successfully raising a child.

    YAP!

    That's why they do not have. Need not. Any "logic".

    Let man think about all such thing -- that what women tell quite consciously -- let men resolve everything and anything.

    And women... women just deserve to be given proportional representation in power. ;-P

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  47. I can't blame Brin for not wanting to stare into the abyss. It's hard to think. It's sometimes "unpleasant".

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  48. ...it requires the invention of new words and concepts.

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  49. Women are beautiful (nothing to fear), men, sublime (Something to fear).

    Immanuel Kant, "Observations of the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime"

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  50. \\As for global warming... I think it's mistaking cause-effect. warming-CO2.

    Well... I stated to you my opinion.

    That it all a hoax... erm, ok, just a "fair judgment".

    We REALLY have problem with trash and garbage, and all that wastes our industriuos civilization do produce.

    But.

    It's impossible to win any political position, to anyone who will be talking about this REAL problem and propose some solutions.

    Because -- it would look like "you are pigs, my dear voters, and I propose for you -- pigs, to vote for me, so that I could call your pigs much more, and will tax you as that pigs, for you pigsy deeds". ;-P

    That's why.

    Such INDIRECT way of showing that problem to the public was decided.

    And it, predictably, blown it out.

    As ANY dishonesty do. In a long run.

    Because.

    "One can fool some people for a long time.

    Or, one can fool all people for a some time.

    But -- it's NOT possible to fool all people for a ling time" (c) some of your USAians told that, as I recall.

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  51. \\Women are beautiful (nothing to fear), men, sublime (Something to fear).

    \\Immanuel Kant, "Observations of the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime"

    For man? Or for a woman?

    For a child??? For a pet??? For a torkey, bought for a dinner? ;-P


    Well... all philosophy -- it's a manly perspective. ;-P

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  52. from Jowett summary of Plato's "Philebus"

    We are now able to determine the composition of the perfect life. First, we admit the pure pleasures and the pure sciences; secondly, the impure sciences, but not the impure pleasures. We have next to discover what element of goodness is contained in this mixture. There are three criteria of goodness—beauty, symmetry, truth. These are clearly more akin to reason than to pleasure, and will enable us to fix the places of both of them in the scale of good. First in the scale is measure; the second place is assigned to symmetry; the third, to reason and wisdom; the fourth, to knowledge and true opinion; the fifth, to pure pleasures; and here the Muse says 'Enough.'

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  53. \\I can't blame Brin for not wanting to stare into the abyss. It's hard to think. It's sometimes "unpleasant".

    He judged himself.

    By his own standards he proclaimed -- but was not able to live in accordance with em.

    Lack of caritas, you call it? Lack of virtue?





    \\It's what you develop (the correct sequence) when you "learn to ride a bike".

    With child-wheels? ;-P




    \\pShaw, chasing all those unpleasant posts out of her blog...

    Natural femalish behavior.

    I have my own example of female-blogger. With whom I was able to have decent communication. (even shared e-mail and talk through it)

    But.

    It cut short... whenever I started posting something "disturbing".

    Yawn.



    But. I find it not good idea ti blame fems for that -- they have their OWN share of unpleasantries of this World on their back.

    Not accessible to us, men.

    And... it's better this way.

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  54. Well... all philosophy -- it's a manly perspective.

    Even Nietzschean/ Deleuzian anti-philosophies? ;)

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  55. \\There are three criteria of goodness—beauty, symmetry, truth.

    Beauty... it's in the eyes of beholder... only(?).

    Symmetry -- it's just a happenstance.

    Truth... what is truth, really? ;-)

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  56. \\Even Nietzschean/ Deleuzian anti-philosophies? ;)

    Was they trannies??? ;-P

    For at least.

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  57. No, more "discontents" (Freud, "Society and Its' Discontents") People looking to change/ break the "rules".

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  58. You're a numberphile. Perhaps you can relate beauty AND symmetry in "the golden mean" or "phi"?

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  59. DiBi... David Brin.

    Sill was chanting that noble truthes: about need to be honest (with oneself first of all), about not fearing changes and alternatives, need to be contrarian -- when I came to his blog.

    And that was... five years ago already.

    But, since that time -- it changed. And he do not say anything like that -- only totally opposite things, today. And know when and how it have changed? Just that moment that circle of lackeys did grow around him. People, that was ready to sigh "oh, you are so great". And... that their sighs -- became more important to it... then all that "noble virtues".

    Yawn.

    There is a saying "court makes a King".





    And

    Real-time. Your Marines need to learn from THIS ;-P

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  60. David is very ratio-nal. he knows that to "survive" and be "popular"... he must swim with the changing American moralistic episteme of wokeness.

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  61. \\You're a numberphile.

    Naaaaah. I'm technologist. Means physicist. ;-P

    Working system is more important THAN fasionable print on its cover.



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  62. ...after all, much like you he is "religion averse".

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  63. He can see the silliness in the religious, but not in its' secularized moralisms.

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  64. Yes, who do you give artillery support to, the advancing unit, or the one being over-run? Army tactical Logic says, "the advancing unit". Human Compassion-logic says, "the one taking losses."

    Two incommensurable values-based systems.

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  65. Army tactical logic says, "wounded men slow you down."

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  66. \\David is very ratio-nal. he knows that to "survive" and be "popular"... he must swim with the changing American moralistic episteme of wokeness.

    How much you know him? To claim that? ;-P

    Have read his books? Got conversation with him?

    Naaah... that "moralistic episteme of wokeness" is natural to him. Immanent even.

    He even took part in building it up -- with his early writings.

    That "Universe of Star Trek" and all. ;-P

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  67. \\Army tactical logic says, "wounded men slow you down."

    Yeah.

    But... is it allowed to your soldiers??? To do that THAT casually???

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  68. \\...after all, much like you he is "religion averse".

    I see religion inner working.

    And that makes it hard to see any magic in a clocks working... if you are clock-work master. ;-P




    \\He can see the silliness in the religious, but not in its' secularized moralisms.

    But he... enamored with POWER, it gives. ;-P





    \\Two incommensurable values-based systems.

    Naaaah.

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  69. I don't know David personally, no.

    And as for tactics, ever been a military officer. You sometimes do have to knowingly sacrifice men to accomplish a mission.

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  70. As a human, raised in that magical thinking about "goodie-goodie peace and prosperity" I... appalled, but all what happening.

    But as historian, technologist and rationalist... I can use it as a case study...

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  71. Ghosts on the altar of goodie-goodie peace and prosperity.

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  72. ...as fear is "the mind killer". Whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad. (Homer, "Iliad" - Big Ajax).

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  73. \\And as for tactics, ever been a military officer. You sometimes do have to knowingly sacrifice men to accomplish a mission.

    Just because you can? Not trained/motivated one. To a suicide mission. With NO chance of success??? Just because (ma-a-a-an, what a nasty voice it have... in English)



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  74. \\In "hauntology terms", PTSD is just war's ghosts.

    Naaah. Just a cognitive dissonance.

    Was you on hunting? ;-)




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  75. Certain things haunt me, which time cures.

    I remember the first deer I butchered... it took me about six months before I could eat any of it. After the first, it didn't bother me as much.

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  76. Yeah... time when mind-numbness is a bliss. :-/

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  77. Think of it this way, in WWII bomber command knew that only about 20-30% of aviators could survive 25 missions. So that was the "limit" they observed, setting the limit at 25... knowing most would be killed.

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  78. In Vietnam, US conscripts served 1 year. What's a tour in the Ukrainian trenches? Unlimited?

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  79. During 1943, only about 25% of Eighth Air Force bomber crewmen completed their 25-mission tours—the other 75% were killed, severely wounded, or captured.

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  80. Without a "hope" for peace, shooting a wounded comrade in the head is a "mercy".

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  81. \\Think of it this way, in WWII bomber command knew that only about 20-30% of aviators could survive 25 missions. So that was the "limit" they observed, setting the limit at 25... knowing most would be killed.

    What thought that Kennedy brother... while riding biggest bomb?





    \\What's a Ukrainian soldier's "chance of success"?

    And USAians on Iwo Jima?

    Which was NOT their Motherland turf even...

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  82. It gets "easier" after the first... but the PTSD will last forever. Survivor's guilt.

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  83. \\Without a "hope" for peace, shooting a wounded comrade in the head is a "mercy".

    Casually?



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  84. Sorry, Iwo's a sore spot with me. My father's entire life was steeped in survivor's guilt from the loss of his older brother.

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  85. Casually?

    If the hope of survival is near zero? Yep. Like shooting zombies in movie... "oh no, I'm bit!"

    Or holocaust camp "musselmen".

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  86. \\Sorry, Iwo's a sore spot with me. My father's entire life was steeped in survivor's guilt from the loss of his older brother.

    And what can *I* do... about that 10.000.000s of non-born??? :-(((

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  87. Sign over gates of hell, "abandon all hope ye who enter here".

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  88. Only drown myself into self-rationalizing cynicism.

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  89. \\If the hope of survival is near zero?

    Naaah. Just a lack of painkillers... yawn.

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  90. From what I can see in that vid -- that was just a shock from a pain. Maybe even not mortal wound.

    So... any other army solution -- give him painkillers. Maybe even he could did it itself.

    But... RFia have NO painkillers to its chmobicks...

    That's all.

    That's just THE WAY that country lives.

    And that is YOUR enemy -- that care NOT about OWN people.

    But you still think that they will CARE about -- do USAians deserve to live, or not.

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  91. \\In Vietnam, US conscripts served 1 year. What's a tour in the Ukrainian trenches? Unlimited?

    USAians was on the offense. And in foreign environment.

    I bet your J.I. from Vietnam would happily trade places to go into Ukrainians trenches. ;-P

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  92. happily trade places

    Naaah. He'd go to Canada next time... or like Mohammed Ali, prison.

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  93. \\Internet... both a time and pain killer.

    And electricity too... because it work from electricity.

    And all kinds of machines too... because they produce that electricity.

    And Sun itself... because it produce all that energy that then machines can use to produce electricity to make Internet work. ;-P



    \\happily trade places

    \\Naaah.

    I mean in exchange equal to equal.

    We all would like to be in better place... only, not just yet.

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  94. Naaaah...just let my Kairos Nanobots erase your dark thoughts for you while you sleep. ;P

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  95. You not commented on debates. ;-P

    Not watched?

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  96. Ah? Sorry.

    That's again my antipode's timezone. :-/

    And... hardly there'd be something for me to care about.

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  97. Well... that's you who have whole blog dedicated to politics...

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  98. at pShaw's



    "He TOLD them he would be there with them. The mob clearly followed their leader's ORDERS."

    Why that leader NOT in jail???

    And taking part in elections, like nothing happened???

    And going on debate with Biden, like nothing happened???

    While that is not an option -- that is DIRECT CONSTITUTIONAL DEMAND... stated in oath "to protect USA from ALL enemies foreign and internal"... are Biden an oath-breaker???

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  99. He's right about one thing, NO ONE would ever turn out for a Biden rally...

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  100. eeehm??? Who "he"?

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  101. Dave??? "He TOLD them he would be there with them. The mob clearly followed their leader's ORDERS."

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  102. So... you really see it that way? ;-)

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  103. That that was Trump's plot? ;-P

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  104. No, I'm saying that only idiots follow Joe Biden's "orders". The rest of us "working" people with actual trade skills know better.

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  105. Still... it is POTUS... YOUR POTUS.

    Well... like other countries "those, who know better"... ant better.

    Sigh.

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  106. What can you say about such dangling anchors?

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  107. They must want to be able to stop quickly AND be in a narrow channel and not want to hit anything nearby (like a bridge).

    On dropping anchors.

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  108. ps - They must not be going very fast, and the sea is calm (else the anchors would be banging against the hull and scraping off all the bow paint.

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  109. \\Blogger scidata said...

    \\ Apparently Voyager 1 is fully functional again (all four instruments). Google "nasa voyager 1 back" for stories. Relocating code and bypassing a bad chip at almost 1 light day distance would be a marvel of space indeed.


    Yay!

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  110. \\ Blogger John Viril said...

    \\ The kind of hard sci-fi most of us here admire (and the kind our host has produced) is extrapolating current science to ask questions we might face in the future.

    \\ That kind of hard-to-create fiction can see quickly dated as knowledge advances, but if it's well-done can still ask interesting questions (and thus be entertaining well into the future).

    Double-Yay! %-)

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  111. \\Yes... we overreacted. We did that with the Japanese too. Anyone who shocks us out of our tuned-out state to make us confront the crude reality that there is a wider world that matters gets this response.

    Triple-Yay! :-)

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  112. \\ Blogger John Viril said...

    \\ Our system was created by rebels who were trying to correct the abuses of an authoritative government. However, over time, as the mainstream gets farther and farther from those lessons, and they believe in the fundamental legitimacy of their social authorities, they forget and can develop a blind eye to the flaws in their social order and culture.

    Well... if that's not something you would agree with... I dunno what I was doing all this years here... :-/

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  113. And...

    \\Blogger David Brin said...

    \\ "Apparently Voyager 1 is fully functional again (all four instruments). Google "nasa voyager 1 back" for stories. Relocating code and bypassing a bad chip at almost 1 light day distance would be a marvel of space indeed."

    \\ The fact that thery set up those options, in 70 with 70 tech, is beyond ... well it's all beyond!


    Usual DiBi's crap-thinking. :-/

    WUT... 70th... that's time when UNIX was born.

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  114. \\ No native Spanish speaker wants to be told he must go gender free.

    Ehm??? Do I get it correct?

    Still... you have some first hand experience with Spaniards, while I -- not.

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  115. /Tnx

    de nada.


    \\Blogger scidata said...
    \\ Apparently Voyager 1 is fully functional again (all four instruments). Google "nasa voyager 1 back" for stories. Relocating code and bypassing a bad chip at almost 1 light day distance would be a marvel of space indeed.
    /Yay!


    Sounds like they finally put one of their smart NASA contractors on the problem. ;)


    \\ Blogger John Viril said...
    \\ The kind of hard sci-fi most of us here admire (and the kind our host has produced) is extrapolating current science to ask questions we might face in the future.
    \\ That kind of hard-to-create fiction can see quickly dated as knowledge advances, but if it's well-done can still ask interesting questions (and thus be entertaining well into the future).
    /Double-Yay! %-)


    SciFi from hauntological Pre-Cogs. I like it, too. :)


    \\Yes... we overreacted. We did that with the Japanese too. Anyone who shocks us out of our tuned-out state to make us confront the crude reality that there is a wider world that matters gets this response.
    /Triple-Yay! :-)


    ??? Sorry, missed the reference.

    \\ Blogger John Viril said...
    \\ Our system was created by rebels who were trying to correct the abuses of an authoritative government. However, over time, as the mainstream gets farther and farther from those lessons, and they believe in the fundamental legitimacy of their social authorities, they forget and can develop a blind eye to the flaws in their social order and culture.
    /Well... if that's not something you would agree with... I dunno what I was doing all this years here... :-/


    No, I get it. It's the "essence"of Plato's complaint (and numerical endurance calculations) which he proposed to fix in "Republic" by having the Guardians "cheat" in their "blind" procreative regime, and which he fixed notionally with a "Nocturnal Council" (cheat again) to steer his idealized Magnesian Republic throughout time in "The Laws".


    \\Blogger David Brin said...
    \\ "Apparently Voyager 1 is fully functional again (all four instruments). Google "nasa voyager 1 back" for stories. Relocating code and bypassing a bad chip at almost 1 light day distance would be a marvel of space indeed."
    \\ The fact that thery set up those options, in 70 with 70 tech, is beyond ... well it's all beyond!
    /Usual DiBi's crap-thinking. :-/
    WUT... 70th... that's time when UNIX was born.


    True. But I'm sure that Voyager was very "Analog" (at least in instruments) as well. Latching A/D converters were probably very new.

    By the 1970s, virtually all of the basic ADC technologies that we use today were known. However, due to technological and manufacturing limitations, they were not all in production.

    The 8-bit chips of the 1960s were supplanted by 10 and 12-bit versions. Manufacturers added “latches” to their ADCs and DACs, allowing them to interface easily with CPU (central processing unit) chips. Using one latch to command the ADC to take a sample and another latch to ask for the sample to be output, the ADC and CPU worked together seamlessly.



    \\ No native Spanish speaker wants to be told he must go gender free.
    /Ehm??? Do I get it correct?
    Still... you have some first hand experience with Spaniards, while I -- not.


    Most "living" nouns, as well as other things, are gendered (el/ la). Masculine- El perro (the dog), Masculine- el gato (the cat), Feminine- la cebra (the zebra), el hombre (the man), la mujer (the woman).

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  116. \\/Tnx

    \\de nada.

    Positive feedback? And gratefulness?

    Even though I made it so small... as to shaming myself -- I just served my idle interest, while you provided such a comprehensive answer... while I should be come to an answer myself.

    This world will gonna broke... just that moment we'll forget how to say thank you and sorry. (shy)




    \\Sounds like they finally put one of their smart NASA contractors on the problem. ;)

    Who knows... maybe we'd see some good documentary about it... someday.




    \\SciFi from hauntological Pre-Cogs. I like it, too. :)

    Not sure that I get it.

    To me that is about same old idea -- from times of Jule Wern.
    (did you know that he PREDICTED f*g Automated Factories!!!)

    He is one who are an par with Stanislav Lem in his ability of provisioning of a Future...

    only, he did it so long ago, that all his pre-science is already common place... today.




    \\\\Yes... we overreacted. We did that with the Japanese too. Anyone who shocks us out of our tuned-out state to make us confront the crude reality that there is a wider world that matters gets this response.
    /Triple-Yay! :-)

    \\??? Sorry, missed the reference.

    Throwing A-bombs at Japan, of course. And 9/11.

    It's my fault... I would need to give bigger excerpt.

    Still... I think it is good short summary. To what we was discussing in regard to "Pearl Harbor 2.0" here too...




    \\No, I get it. It's the "essence"of Plato's complaint (and numerical endurance calculations) which he proposed to fix in "Republic" by having the Guardians "cheat" in their "blind" procreative regime, and which he fixed notionally with a "Nocturnal Council" (cheat again) to steer his idealized Magnesian Republic throughout time in "The Laws".

    And what they discuss there... on example of Asimov's "Foundation" and "Second Foundation".

    Was that Asimov shameless plagiator?

    Or he really did not read Plato.

    Well... that's why I say -- that ideas of the past -- they are in the air. In our genes... like that "garbage" DNA. ;-)



    \\True. But I'm sure that Voyager was very "Analog" (at least in instruments) as well. Latching A/D converters were probably very new.

    Well... it would not be done, any other way...



    \\Most "living" nouns, as well as other things, are gendered (el/ la).

    That much I know (have tried to watch Spanish basic course ;-P)

    But same time... English is so gender-less.

    So... maybe that is the reason of all that gender-feminism? ;-P

    That was the point I asked.

    I mean... countries with such languages have no problems with "gender-fluidity". ;-)





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  117. "
    Engineers don't yet know why the AACS started routing telemetry data to the incorrect computer, but it likely received a faulty command generated by another onboard computer. If that's the case, it would indicate there is an issue somewhere else on the spacecraft. The team will continue to search for that underlying issue, but they don't think it is a threat to the long-term health of Voyager 1.
    "

    Means -- self-introspection and ability to build it up back from scratch (or even better) -- is a must for such tech... ;-)

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  118. ""
    But a lot of good people doing good work got tarred with one or the other label undeservedly, and it turned into exactly the kind of petty infighting that Evans-Pritchard could have predicted with his Law of Segmentary Opposition. It's something that happens every generation wherever you have hierarchy, regardless of whether authority is earned or inherited.

    Paul SB
    ""

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  119. AND.


    “The point is that we are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.” - George Orwell (again)


    PS Not a news... from anyone from Traditional Society.

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  120. Because... that is how it works.

    "Opposition segmentation"... in a for one part of a village... going against another, because "nasty people living there... our shaman(s) told us".

    Yawn.

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  121. \\ Blogger Larry Hart said...

    \\ You're opening the door to my favorite bit from 1984. The long-time regulars here are already sick of me using it as a reference.

    Yeah... because they know it with their GUTS... that that is a place they living IN. ;-P

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  122. ""
    My favorite response to somoeone who insists only subjective belief exists is to tell them I'd be happy to listen to their arguments about subjective reality AFTER they put a gun to their head and pull the trigger.
    ""

    Hoh... my exactly argument with catching a break falling, with own head. ;-P

    But... in quite more brutal form.

    My way, people would have time to rethink and squint.

    Or, not that badly injured, even.

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  123. /Well... that's why I say -- that ideas of the past -- they are in the air. In our genes... like that "garbage" DNA.

    Atavism "haunts" us. We ask ourselves, "was it right to adopt this new tech (ie- AI)? Will it kill us?" ;)


    /So... maybe that (lack of gendered language) is the reason of all that gender-feminism? ;-P

    You're probably on to something... a "novelty" factor tickling the imagination like new "tech" tickles yours.


    /"Opposition segmentation"... in a for one part of a village... going against another, because "nasty people living there... our shaman(s) told us".

    Divide et impera! Or as Napoleon would say, "attack at the angles"!

    \My favorite response to somoeone who insists only subjective belief exists is to tell them I'd be happy to listen to their arguments about subjective reality AFTER they put a gun to their head and pull the trigger.

    Nietzsche, "Gay Science" (116) - Herd-Instinct. Wherever we meet with a morality we find a valuation and order of rank of the human impulses and activities. These valuations and orders of rank are always the expression of the needs of a community or herd: that which is in the first place to its advantage - and in the second place and third place - is also the authoritative standard for the worth of every individual. By morality the individual is taught to become a function of the herd, and to ascribe to himself value only as a function. As the conditions for the maintenance of one community have been very different from those of another community, there have been very different moralities; and in respect to the future essential transformations of herds and communities, states and societies, one can prophesy that there will still be very divergent moralities. Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual.

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  124. \\Atavism "haunts" us. We ask ourselves, "was it right to adopt this new tech (ie- AI)? Will it kill us?" ;)

    :-)))))))))))))))))




    \\/So... maybe that (lack of gendered language) is the reason of all that gender-feminism? ;-P

    \\You're probably on to something... a "novelty" factor tickling the imagination like new "tech" tickles yours.

    Is it?

    My motivation is dirt simple -- survival.

    Yawn... cannot find it quickly.

    That moment in Matrix... second movie, if I recall.

    There where one from a council took Neo to show him... machines. Machines that made Zion livable place.

    And explained his worldview -- how that machines, still very important.;-)




    \\Nietzsche, "Gay Science" (116) - Herd-Instinct. Wherever we meet with a morality we find a valuation and order of rank of the human impulses and activities.

    Yawn.

    Not a technologist.

    AI technologist developing some advanced robots (androids).

    Where it basic need -- to maintain hierarchy of goals and current agenda of what that android must do -- "to rank impulses and activities"...



    \\,,, there have been very different moralities

    Is it? There is communities where mother throw her newborn out of a window, after looking at it for a minute?




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