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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Saturday, September 9, 2023

Free Choice is NOT a Freedom

 

PUBLISHED IN FEBRUARY 16, 2004 
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Vladimir Ilyich Lenin died on January 21 1924, 80 years ago—does the embarrassed silence over his name mean that he died twice, that his legacy is also dead? His insensitivity toward personal freedoms is effectively foreign to our liberal-tolerant sensibility – who, today, would not experience a shudder apropos his dismissive remarks against the Menshevik and Socialist-Revolutionaries’ critique of the Bolshevik power in 1922?
 
“Indeed, the sermons which…the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries preach express their true nature: ‘The revolution has gone too far. What you are saying now we have been saying all the time, permit us to say it again.’ But we say in reply: ‘Permit us to put you before a firing squad for saying that. Either you refrain from expressing your views, or, if you insist on expressing your political views publicly in the present circumstances, when our position is far more difficult than it was when the white guards were directly attacking us, then you will have only yourselves to blame if we treat you as the worst and most pernicious white guard elements.’”
This dismissive attitude towards the “liberal” notion of freedom accounts for Lenin’s bad reputation among liberals. Their case largely rests upon their rejection of the standard Marxist-Leninist opposition of “formal” and “actual” freedom, but as even ;eftist liberals like Claude Lefort emphasize again and again, freedom is in its very notion “formal,” so that “actual freedom” equals the lack of freedom. Lenin is best remembered for his famous retort “Freedom - yes, but for whom? To do what?” For him, in the above-quoted case of the Mensheviks, their “freedom” to criticize the Bolshevik government effectively amounted to the “freedom” to undermine the workers’ and peasants’ government on behalf of the counterrevolution.

But today, after the terrifying experience of the Really Existing Socialism, is it not more than obvious where the fault of this reasoning resides? First, it reduces a historical constellation to a closed, fully contextualized situation in which the “objective” consequences of one’s acts are fully determined (“independent of your intentions, what you are doing now objectively serves…”). Second, the position of enunciation of such statements usurps the right to decide what your acts “objectively mean,” so that their apparent “objectivism” is the form of its opposite, a thorough subjectivism: I decide what your acts objectively mean, since I define the context of a situation (say, if I conceive of my power as the immediate equivalent/expression of the power of the working class, then everyone who opposes me is “objectively” an enemy of the working class).

Is this, however, the whole story? How does freedom effectively function in liberal democracies? Although Clinton’s presidency epitomized the Third Way of today’s (ex-) Left succumbing to the Rightist ideological blackmail, his healthcare reform program would nonetheless have amounted to a kind of act, at least in today’s conditions, since it would have been based on the rejection of the hegemonic notions of the need to curtail Big State expenditure and administration—in a way, it aimed to “do the impossible.” No wonder then that it failed. Its failure—perhaps the only significant, although negative, event of Clinton’s presidency—bore witness to the material force of the ideological notion of “free choice.” That is to say, although the large majority of the so-called “ordinary people” were not properly acquainted with the reform program, the medical lobby (twice as strong as the infamous defense lobby!) succeeded in imposing on the public the fundamental idea that, with universal healthcare, the free choice (in matters concerning medicine) will be somehow threatened—against this purely fictional reference to “free choice”, all enumeration of “hard facts” (in Canada, healthcare is less expensive and more effective, with no less free choice, etc.) proved ineffective.

We are here at the very nerve center of the liberal ideology: the insistence on freedom of choice—so urgent today in the era of what sociologists like Ulrich Beck call “risk society”—even as the ruling ideology endeavors to sell us the very insecurity caused by the dismantling of the Welfare State as the opportunity for new freedoms. Do you have to change jobs every year, relying on short-term contracts instead of a long-term stable appointment? Why not see it as the liberation from the constraints of a fixed job, as the chance to reinvent yourself again and again, to become aware of and realize hidden potentials of your personality? Can you no longer rely on the standard health insurance and retirement plan, so that you have to opt for additional coverage for which you have to pay? Why not perceive it as an additional opportunity to choose: either better life now or long-term security? And if this predicament causes you anxiety, the postmodern or “second modernity” ideologist will immediately accuse you of being unable to assume full freedom, of indulging in the “escape from freedom,” of the immature sticking to old stable forms. Even better, when this situation is inscribed into the ideology of the subject as the psychological individual pregnant with natural abilities and tendencies, one automatically interprets all these changes as the results of their personality, not as the result of being thrown around by market forces.

Phenomena like these make it all the more necessary today to reassert the opposition of “formal” and “actual” freedom in a new, more precise, sense. Let us take the situation in the Eastern European countries around 1990, when the Really Existing Socialism was falling apart: all of a sudden, people were thrown into a situation of “freedom of political choice”—however, were they really at any point asked the fundamental question of what kind of new order they actually wanted? People were first told that they are entering the promised land of political freedom; then, soon afterwards, they were informed that this freedom involves wild privatization, the dismantling of the social security, etc.etc. They still have the freedom to choose, so if they want, they can step out; but, no, our heroic Eastern Europeans didn’t want to disappoint their Western tutors, they stoically persisted in the choice they never made, convincing themselves that they should behave as mature subjects who are aware that freedom has its price. And here one should risk to reintroduce the Leninist opposition of “formal” and “actual” freedom: the moment of truth in Lenin’s acerbic retort to his Menshevik critics is that the truly free choice is a choice in which I do not merely choose between two or more options within a pre-given set of coordinates, but I choose to change this set of coordinates itself. The catch of the “transition” from the Really Existing Socialism to capitalism was that people never had the chance to choose the ad quem of this transition—all of a sudden, they were (almost literally) “thrown” into a new situation in which they were presented with a new set of given choices (pure liberalism, nationalist conservatism).

This is what Lenin’s obsessive tirades against “formal” freedom are about, and therein resides their “rational kernel” worth saving today: when he underlines that there is no “pure” democracy, that we should always ask whom does a freedom under consideration serve and where is its role in the class struggle, his point is precisely to maintain the possibility of the true radical choice. This is what the distinction between “formal” and “actual” freedom ultimately amounts to: “formal” freedom is the freedom of choice within the coordinates of the existing power relations, while “actual” freedom designates the site of an intervention which undermines these very coordinates. In short, Lenin’s point is not to limit freedom of choice, but to maintain the fundamental Choice—when Lenin asks about the role of a freedom within the class struggle, what he is asking is precisely: “Does this freedom contribute to or constrain the fundamental revolutionary Choice?”

The most popular TV show of recent years in France, with a viewer rating two times higher than that of the notorious “Big Brother” reality soaps, was “C’est mon choix” (“It is my choice”), a talk-show whose guest is each time an ordinary (or, exceptionally, well-known) person who made a peculiar choice which determined his or her entire life-style: one of them decided never to wear underwear, another tries all the time to find a more appropriate sexual partner for his father and mother. Extravagance is allowed, solicited even, but with the explicit exclusion of the choices which may disturb the public (say, a person whose choice is to be and act as a racist, is a priori excluded). Can one imagine a better predicament of what the “freedom of choice” effectively amounts to in our liberal societies? We can go on making our small choices, “reinventing ourselves” thoroughly, on the condition that these choices do not seriously disturb the social and ideological balance. With regard to the “C’est mon choix,” the truly radical thing would have been to focus precisely on the “disturbing” choices: to invite as guests people like dedicated racists, i.e. people whose choice (whose difference) does make a difference. This, also, is the reason why, today, “democracy” is more and more a false issue, a notion so discredited by its predominant use that, perhaps, one should take the risk of abandoning it to the enemy. Where, how, by whom are the key decisions concerning global social issues made? Are they made in the public space, through the engaged participation of the majority? If the answer is yes, it is of secondary importance if the state has a one-party system. If the answer is no, it is of secondary importance if we have parliamentary democracy and freedom of individual choices.

Apropos of the disintegration of State Socialism two decades ago, one should not forget that, at approximately the same time, the Western Social Democratic welfare state ideology was also dealt a crucial blow, that it also ceased to function as the imaginary goal able to arouse a collective passionate following. The notion that “the time of the welfare state has past” is today a piece of commonly accepted wisdom. What these two defeated ideologies shared is the notion that humanity as a collective subject has the capacity to somehow limit impersonal and anonymous socio-historic development, to steer it in a desired direction. Today, such a notion is quickly dismissed as “ideological” and/or “totalitarian”: the social process is again perceived as dominated by an anonymous Fate beyond social control. The rise of global capitalism is presented to us as such a Fate, against which one cannot fight—one either adapts oneself to it or one falls out of step with history and is crushed. The only thing one can do is to make global capitalism as human as possible, to fight for “global capitalism with a human face” (this is what, ultimately, the Third Way is—or, rather, was—about).

Our basic political choice in the United States—Democrat or Republican—cannot but remind us of our predicament when we want artificial sweetener in an American cafeteria: the all-present alternative of Equal and Sweet&Lo, of blue and red small bags, where almost each person has his/her preferences (avoid the red ones, they contain cancerous substances, or vice-versa), and this ridiculous sticking to one’s choice merely accentuates the utter meaninglessness of the alternative. And does the same not go for the soda drinks: Coke or Pepsi? It is a well-known fact that the “Close the door” button in most elevators is a totally disfunctional placebo, placed there just to give the individuals the impression that they are somehow participating, contributing to the speed of the elevator journey - when we push this button, the door closes in exactly the same time as when we just pressed the floor button without “speeding up” the process by pressing also the “Close the door” button. This extreme case of fake participation is an appropriate metaphor of the participation of individuals in our “postmodern” political process.

This is why we tend to avoid Lenin today: not because he was an “enemy of freedom,” but because he reminds us of the fatal limitation of our freedoms; not because he offers us no choice, but because he reminds us that our “society of choices” precludes any true choice.

90 comments:

Q said...

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Anonymous said...

Well...

Watched Martin Scorcese movie yesterday.

One about struggles of christian priest... in Japan.

Very masterfully showed how obdurate mind trying to be clingy to own dogmas... just to fail. While keep _blinketh_ that it didn't. ;-)

Joe Conservative said...

I think I saw that one. Silence? or something like that?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:)

Some failed. Others, didn't.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Christianity in Japan is among the nation's minority religions in terms of individuals who state an explicit affiliation or faith. Between less than 1 percent[1][2] and 1.5%[3] of the population claims Christian belief or affiliation. Although formally banned in 1612 and today critically portrayed as a foreign "religion of colonialism", Christianity has played a role in the shaping of the relationship between religion and the Japanese state for more than four centuries.[4] Most large Christian denominations, including Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Oriental Orthodoxy, and Orthodox Christianity, are represented in Japan today.

Christian culture has a generally positive image in Japan.[5] The majority of Japanese people are, traditionally, of the Shinto or Buddhist faith. The majority of Japanese couples, about 60–70%, are wed in 'nonreligious' Christian ceremonies. This makes Christian weddings the most influential aspect of Christianity in contemporary Japan.[6]


It still "persists".

Anonymous said...

Well... that is damn complex thought to convey...

using that film as model example.

But... do we have to?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Martyrs and saints have charisma. That comes from not-blinking. It gives them "charismatic authority" (ala "Trump")

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Before his obdurate political resistance and persecution for "thought crimes", Trump was merely a celebrity.

Anonymous said...

Quote by Malcolm X: “Nobody can give you freedom ... - Goodreads
www.goodreads.com › quotes › 285544-nobod...
Malcolm X — 'Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it.'

Anonymous said...

;-P

:-)))

Anonymous said...

;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Great cartoons!

Anonymous said...

;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

They must be playing "Who's your b*tch?"

Anonymous said...

Well... that's how it is, in that world of "great man". :-/

Means... they didn't find that pleasure of sex games (as in EU politics -- today you are my b*h, and tomorrow I'm yours... through representatives, of course) ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yes, the "Value systems" of the elites are all that matter...

Anonymous said...

That was my idea of that game... to imitate, to explore and maybe to learn -- that value system of elites.

Where not only simple wargaming could be, but intigues too. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Putin's value's aren't the same as the nouveau elites. He's "old school" aristocratic. He prefers a kakistocracy to representing the hoi polloi/ kakistoi democracies of the new elites.

Anonymous said...

"Aristocratic"????????? WTF???

And who was that "aristocrats"??? In Soviet Union.

As an expert in it -- I'm very intersted in it. Who and how was able to became "aristocrat" among miserly prols??? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

He... just a miserly idiot -- who trying to keep grip on that power, because it means its miserly life too.

Otherwise... something long and hard... up into his rectum.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

He doesn't see himself a Tsar? He doesn't "hug the church"? He sure ACTS like Peter the Great. And the other oligarchs are members of his "Court".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Aristocrats decrees were always interpreted for the masses by the Church. Today, in secular societies they're interpreted for the masses by the universities... for someone needs to provide a "rational explanation" for their often irrational and whimsical edicts. And they're followers "cynical" behavior becomes their political ideology (ala Dervy). It's "holy" to them.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

This is why Zelinskyy has put the clerics of the Russian Orthodox church on "notice". "Don't "spin" for Putin!"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and your best advocates are Pussy Riot.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Now, if you could get the Church to turn away from Putin, you'd take out half of his Russian support. But you won't do that by attacking the church (as Pussy Riot does).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You do that by hugging the Church even CLOSER. You don't "alienate" the Ukrainian clerics. You turn them against Putin.

But what does Zelinskyy know? He's a tv actor. If only some devout Ukrainian pro-Western oligarch could do as much for the Ukrainian clergy as Putin does the Russian...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Create a schizm...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Every time you support Pussy Riot, you create a hatred for "Western Values" amongst the orthodox. Putin exploits it. And they support Putin.

So don't waste your time attacking Putin. Attack the patriarch in Moscow and advocate for a more "Christian" value system within the church, not a "bought off oligarchy".

Protestantism was a "reaction" to the selling of indulgences to oligarch's. The result was a war within the Church Protestant vs. Catholic.

Get some "reform minded" clerics to nail some new thesis to the door of the Patriarch's biggest church calling him out for his billions in Putin bribes.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

People NEED something to believe in and right now, Putin is giving them something.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...Russian Orthodoxy mixed along with a large dose of oligarchical corruption.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Full disclosure, my sister (not Russian) paints icons for the Russian Orthodox church in Alaska (Kodiak).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...it's her new "flock". My BiL was a theology major and is active in the church.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

My sister had once joined a Buddhist? cult in Santa Cruz in the 60's.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

So even if you're not a believer yourself, do not underestimate the influence of the Church on "values" and heterotopias..

Anonymous said...

\\He doesn't see himself a Tsar? He doesn't "hug the church"? He sure ACTS like Peter the Great. And the other oligarchs are members of his "Court".

??????

Pretty much opposite. Peter was opening Rush'A to world, which mean Europe in that time.

And his role-model is not that Peter... but Uncle Joe/Stalin. And more recent -- Andropov. Basicly, all what he doing -- is by Andropov's rule-book. Because that is clear Andropov's idea -- to corrupt Western Europe politicians through oil and gas money.



\\This is why Zelinskyy has put the clerics of the Russian Orthodox church on "notice". "Don't "spin" for Putin!"

Err... Zele... nsky. From Zelenii/Green. ;-P

If like...
it was just a war time inevitability.
But even today they feel themself pretty much free -- because of fear of reaction from West...



\\Full disclosure, my sister (not Russian) paints icons for the Russian Orthodox church in Alaska (Kodiak).

Good hobby, I presume.



\\People NEED something to believe in and right now, Putin is giving them something.

Yawn.

That is part of "tradition" more... than anything else.

Church was revived by Stalin. And though ALL OTHER churches was suppressed, and even under constant laborous tryes to eliminate em...

That "Russian Church" was intact... well, under control of secret services. I mean KGB.

Idea that it's possible to know most hiden thoughts of people... through "confession to a priest"... was too much sweet, I presume, to omit it.

Means.

All is quite different... from such a simplistic overview. ;-P

That is like if I would try to make my judgment about religion and beliefs in USA... on the base of "Supernatural" series. ;-P



\\Get some "reform minded" clerics to nail some new thesis to the door of the Patriarch's biggest church calling him out for his billions in Putin bribes.

So naive. :-))))))))))))

It is NOT how it works in Asian states. ;-P

ONLY true religion of Asia -- it's POWER!

That protestants would not be admitted by wider public -- because there is NO POWER behind them.

And otherwise... if for some reason to power in Kreml would come... muslim for example.

ALL COUNTRY would became "faithful" in a jiffy... only one little thing need to be done -- ban of alcohol removed.

Because intake of alcohol -- ONLY TRUE access to "transcendental" that people need/want. ;-P


Anonymous said...


\\You don't "alienate" the Ukrainian clerics. You turn them against Putin.

They are NOT cleric... they are tsugs. And crooks. Working for that who'd allow em to keep their money.



\\But what does Zelinskyy know? He's a tv actor.

That's it.

He have much more robust and potent way of influencing minds -- way that allowed him to became prez.

And that is Wetern Mass Media Propaganda. From TV screens. ;-P

Big Brother style.

And he trying to acqure firm grip on it.

Though NEW MEDIA -- Internet, is beyond his power.



\\Now, if you could get the Church to turn away from Putin, you'd take out half of his Russian support. But you won't do that by attacking the church (as Pussy Riot does).

You know pretty much nothing... about realities of Rush'A.

That is NOT chirch that cements it.

But that immediate fact -- that most of (poor ones) people are on salary from government, from Kreml, from Putin.

Military and police. Medical workers and school teachers. All kinds of state and communal services. And directly workers of state enterprises.

And even that who are Middle Class -- they are just half-step from em.
As they work on "oligarchs". But that is not oligarchs/billionares of your West. Not independent entities that gained political power through gaining lots of economical.

Naaah.

All is vice versa.

They are mandarins. That converted closerness to a Main Political Body -- Putin. By being his friends or loyal servant.

And being granted some riches through it.

Eastern despoty.

NOTHING like on your West.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You need a media campaign to expose the corruption of the Russian Orthodox Patriarch... get the dirt and spread it. He's probably a homosexual that abuses or has abused young children or goes on junkets with oligarch's. Find them. Get their testimonies. Bribe clergy. Expose their hypocrisy (even any lower Russian Orthodox priests will do). Expose his bishops. Start with New Media and move to old media from there (newspapers/radios/tv). Convince the faithful that clergy are hypocrites. Attack the clergy but NOT the churches values (which is Pussy Riot's mistake). For it's those values that matter. An offer the faithful a corresponding alternative (Ukrainian sect or Catholics). Convince them that there are uncorrupted alternatives to Russian orthodoxy

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I understand that a large part of your problem is that so many people rely on government for support. But yu need to divide and conquer. You need to sever the ties that make Russian Orthodoxy THE State sponsored religion. You need to break the links between the government hierarchy and the church hierarchy. You need to get the government hierarchy to see the church hierarchy as a liability. And nothing does that better than a child sex scandal. The Catholic Church in America has been GREATLY weakened as a result of the testimony of victims coming forward.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Three/four estates. They must be DIVIDED.

The best known system is the French Ancien Régime (Old Regime), a three-estate system which was made up of clergy (the First Estate), nobles (Second Estate), peasants and bourgeoisie (Third Estate). In some regions, notably Sweden and Russia, burghers (the urban merchant class) and rural commoners were split into separate estates, creating a four-estate system with rural commoners ranking the lowest as the Fourth Estate.

The government has the upper hand. It can easily appeal to other estates for alliances, depending upon the circumstances. The lowest class (people) have the hardest job, as they are naturally in conflict with burghers and oligarchs.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...but regardless you need to SEVER the link between the government and the clergy.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That will break the government's hold over the "people".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

When Saddam Hussein was in power in Iraq, Moqtada al Sadr protected the people of Sadr City FROM him (with mosque charity funds coming from more affluent Moslems). When the US invaded, Moqtada al Sadr battled against the US. America's BIGGEST mistake was failing to make an alliance with Sadr (because he originally fought them). Moqtada al Sadr was the key to control of BOTH Iraq AND Iran, but we failed to take advantage of the schism within Islam (Sunni/Shi'a) and the schism with Shi'a Islam itself (radical Khomeini HERESY-Iran and quietist al Sistani TRADITIONAL Islam - Iraq).

America would control both Iraq AND Iran today had they NOT made that blunder.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

the Church will give you a platform and means to obtain control of the people (through their VALUES). Charity is its' funding source. It's Like the "Clinton Foundation" except it's values are NOT Clinton's values.

I'm sure that the West could funnel TONS of charity donations into the Church. After all, donations to churches in the US are TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The Clinton Foundation is currently sweeping into Ukraine for precisely that reason. Control. You will become her slaves.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You're getting some "new oligarch's". Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You need to tailor your appeal to the old believers and paint the current RO Church's Patriarch as an "Atheist (Putin)-Western Reformer".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...alienate them from Putin and the complicit Patriarchy.

Fpr THEY are the source of his support/ power. You need to out-pander Putin.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Show how Putin endorses the religion only to reap soldiers, and flowers bribes/ luxuries upon clerics who make this possible...(See how the family with 18 children, his priestly "influencers" live (vs the hardship of the old believer lifestyle).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Putin's base.

Anonymous said...

\\You need a media campaign to expose the corruption of the Russian Orthodox Patriarch... get the dirt and spread it.

Yawn.

Already.

Nobody cares.

Only Navalny was poisoned. And put in jail.



\\ You need to sever the ties that make Russian Orthodoxy THE State sponsored religion.

You mean siam twins? ;-P



\\Three/four estates. They must be DIVIDED.

There is no such things in totalitarian country. With totalitarian past... PLUS ULTRA.

As Rush'A always was totalitarian. Asian-style unity of Emperor and people masses.

Think Duna's fremens and Moaddib. ;-P



\\That will break the government's hold over the "people".

They are... economically linked. First of all.

When last time you observed map of Rush'A???

90% of it territory it's a "bear's hole" as Russian itself calling it -- means, life there is possible ONLY because of support and subsidias from Center.



\\America would control both Iraq AND Iran today had they NOT made that blunder.

Not a blunder.

You are not empire -- that's why... you unable to use such imperialistic tricks. ;-P

Because... cannot have such goals.



\\I'm sure that the West could funnel TONS of charity donations into the Church. After all, donations to churches in the US are TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Naaah.



\\You need to tailor your appeal to the old believers and paint the current RO Church's Patriarch as an "Atheist (Putin)-Western Reformer".

Such old believers... they from long time ago... in Argentina. ;-P

ONLY true force in Rush'A -- criminality. But Putin made use of em too... and eradicated -- through Prigojin.

There is NO opposing force in Rush'A nowaday.

Well... maybe from youth can grow something... but, it needs time.



\\Putin's base.

Looks like liliPut successfully fooled you -- you totally do not understand it.

And as Sun Tsu said -- if you do not know your enemy...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I agree to disagree.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You're hard-kill, like the stupid US.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Putin pops chaff, and you can no longer see him.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

\\I agree to disagree.

Well... that was bare (well, not that bare naked, probably) facts.

Like that that "corruption of the Russian Orthodox Patriarch" -- nobody cares about.

Navalny tryed to use it, and he much closer to concock viable taunt.

But it failed. Fell on its face. Flatly!

And now -- that door is closed. Now "elite" of Rush'A protected itself from such things -- deffamation in media. Through FULL control of it.

While you elites have only half-control. And warring among themself with it.
And allow foreign perpetrators to do the same (like spreading lies about Nazis in Ukraine -- as most obvious example -- WHY Ams would be interested to know about such "nazis" far-far-away??? I see none. And am I wrong?)



\\Father Cyrill Hovorun was ordained by Kirill, and was his theological advisor until 2012. He said, "I believe that the church is the main supplier of the ideology, Putin's ideology. This war has a simple formula: War equals guns plus ideas, and the guns are, of course, supplied by the Kremlin and the ideas come from the church."

Clearly an agent to lay propaganda into ears of gullible Westerners.

To clear liliPut off guilt. To make it possible to make deals with it, for Westerner.

Like "it's not liliPut who are hitler-hitler... that is Church!!!... so, come to talk with Hit... oh, I mean liliPut -- because ONLY HIM are one who holding that Jaggernaut from starting Nukkar Hollocaust"

THAT IS THE MESSAGE.

THAT IS THAT FISH HOOK


\\And, Father Cyril believes, Putin sees this war as a "sacred operation": "A mission from God to purge the world from, you know, impurity of the Western ideas and Western values."

Oh... come on. :-)))))))))))))))

One who wearing most expensive Western clockwatrches. And carried with most expensive Western cars. Like Western yachts. And etc Western luxuries...

is simultaneously like that mullah??? "Discpising Western values"??????

Come on.



\\Chapnin also thinks the expansionist ambitions of Kirill even exceed those of Putin: "The main motivation for Patriarch Kirill is actually power and influence," he said. "But because of the war, he actually loses it."

THAT'S IT!

That is NOT church. That is COROPORATION.

Which trying to spread its "product".

SAME as catholic church -- did you see how franrikly current Pole tryed to suck up to Russians??? Called em "followers of Great Piter and co"???

That is TOTALLY LIKE war between Pepsi and Coca-cola. Between Apple and MS.

Nothing else.

Brand against brand.

In a punitive war for the likes and admiration of "customers". ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

WHY Ams would be interested to know about such "nazis" far-far-away??? I see none. And am I wrong?)

Why, because the DNC's new KKK (SA/SS of NAZI Party) is ANTIFA. ANTIFA is OBSESSED with NAZI's. NAZI's give them goosebumps.

And the Catholic Church was the West's 1st Corporation. So yes, churches and corporations are mini-socialisms interested in spreading their brands, Coke vs. Pepsi. The Western Church is Coke, Eastern, Pepsi. Each one gets power through their decisions as to who gets the excess funds collected from the alm's box. Corporations are merely secularized Churches. They steal the surplus values from their workers (like alms from the poor) and redistribute them to their "shareholders". The shareholders in the clergy are many the members of the clergy themselves, and the Vatican Bank. And as Brecht once said, "What crime is the robbing of a bank when compared to the founding of one?" Populism (like mine) is nothing but a Three Penny Opera. It's our same capitalist system, but with many many MORE handsomer but skinnier bosses. ;)

Anonymous said...

\\Why, because the DNC's new KKK (SA/SS of NAZI Party) is ANTIFA. ANTIFA is OBSESSED with NAZI's. NAZI's give them goosebumps.

Even if that is FAKE nazis faked to em by Real ones? :-)))))))



\\ Corporations are merely secularized Churches.

Yawn.

Evolution.

Mammals is just a reptiles... with mammary glands. ;-P



\\ Populism (like mine) is nothing but a Three Penny Opera.

Well...

you have a key, how to overturn it all, into New Stage of development... hint:with a tech. ;-)

Anonymous said...

;-P

Again. They drawing that themself.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The first customer looks like Sleepy Joe.

So who (or what invisible hand... evolution?) is bending/ shaping our human "cone of competency" and how are we humans going to implant new intelligent competencies onto formerly "inert" materials with reproductive and intelligence formation abilities that may one day "surpass" us? Das Ubertech? Or do we simply continue to form ever larger human cooperative communities where humans serve as that intelligence' (ie - Level/ Type 4 civilizations)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ie - Reptiles with mammary glands. :(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Tits on a bull?

Anonymous said...

\\Or do we simply continue to form ever larger human cooperative communities where humans serve as that intelligence' (ie - Level/ Type 4 civilizations)


Reynolds number - Wikipedia
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In fluid mechanics, the Reynolds number (Re) is a dimensionless quantity that helps predict fluid flow patterns in different situations by measuring the ...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I always hated doing pipe-flow calculations for pump sizing purposes. The first computer programs for doing the calculations were a godsend. How many elbows and tees are there in your pipe run?

Anonymous said...

Synergetics - Wikipedia
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Synergetics (Fuller), a study of systems behavior suggested by Buckminster Fuller · Synergetics (Haken), a school of thought on thermodynamics and other systems ...


Synergetics (Haken)

Synergetics is an interdisciplinary science explaining the formation and self-organization of patterns and structures in open systems far from thermodynamic equilibrium. It is founded by Hermann Haken, inspired by the laser theory. Haken's interpretation of the laser principles as self-organization of non-equilibrium systems paved the way at the end of the 1960s to the development of synergetics. One of his successful popular books is Erfolgsgeheimnisse der Natur, translated into English as The Science of Structure: Synergetics.[1]
Self-organization requires a 'macroscopic' system, consisting of many nonlinearly interacting subsystems. Depending on the external control parameters (environment, energy fluxes) self-organization takes place.



PS Urbi et orbi.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Macroscopic? Why limit it to macroscopic?

btw- You the Pope?

Anonymous said...

\\Why limit it to macroscopic?

It's Nature's limit, I presume.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Is it? Haken's laser didn't rely on "macroscopic" principles.

Hmmm. I stand corrected:

Essential in synergetics is the order-parameter concept which was originally introduced in the Ginzburg–Landau theory in order to describe phase transitions in thermodynamics. The order parameter concept is generalized by Haken to the "enslaving-principle" saying that the dynamics of fast-relaxing (stable) modes is completely determined by the 'slow' dynamics of, as a rule, only a few 'order-parameters' (unstable modes). The order parameters can be interpreted as the amplitudes of the unstable modes determining the macroscopic pattern.

As a consequence, self-organization means an enormous reduction of degrees of freedom (entropy) of the system which macroscopically reveals an increase of 'order' (pattern-formation). This far-reaching macroscopic order is independent of the details of the microscopic interactions of the subsystems. This supposedly explains the self-organization of patterns in so many different systems in physics, chemistry and biology.

[...] the statistical properties of laser light change qualitatively at the laser threshold. Below laser threshold noise increases more and more while above threshold it decreases again. [...] Below laser threshold, light consists of individual wave tracks which are emitted from the individual atoms independently of each other. Above laser threshold, a practically infinitely long wave track is produced. In order to make contact with other processes of self-organization let us interpret the processes in a lamp or in a laser by means of Bohr's model of the atom. A lamp produces its light in such a way that the excited electrons of the atoms make their transitions from the outer orbit to the inner orbit entirely independently of each other. On the other hand, the properties of laser light can be understood only if we assume that the transitions of the individual electrons occur in a correlated fashion. [...] Above laser threshold the coherent field grows more and more and it can slave the degrees of freedom of the dipole moments and of the inversion. Within synergetics it has turned out that is a quite typical equation describing effects of self-organization. [...] This equation tells us that the amplitude of the dipoles, which is proportional to A, is instantaneously given by the field amplitude B(t) (and by the fluctuating force). This is probably the simplest example of a principle which has turned out to be of fundamental importance in synergetics and which is called the slaving principle.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I wonder if this is what ?intelligence is.

Haken's synergetics applied to information (GRA) within structures and developing solutions. Simply supply "energy".

Anonymous said...

\\I wonder if this is what ?intelligence is.

I presume... that we will know what Inteligence is... only when we'd buld one. ;-)


Well... things I trying to talk about here. Is hard. Because there is no termins for it... YET?

Like that "structural knowledge" in respect to "measured knowledge" of our modern science.

There is several attempts in different sciences to breach that gap.

For example topology in math -- which unites continuity with singularity.
But, it is deficient in that how it freezes that singular states.

There is biology -- with it's genetics and evolution. But it still not complete...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

So you're saying that "intelligence" can only be seen in the rear-view mirror based upon success or failure when applied. I thought you rejected that argument? ;P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - Measured knowledge? The only measure is "success". The data-info-knowledge-wisdom whatever "hierarchy"? Good luck with that.

Anonymous said...

\\So you're saying that "intelligence" can only be seen in the rear-view mirror based upon success or failure when applied. I thought you rejected that argument? ;P

Dunno what you think.

That is basic wisdom of engineer/scientist -- to know how system works, one need to break it apart...



\\ps - Measured knowledge? The only measure is "success". The data-info-knowledge-wisdom whatever "hierarchy"? Good luck with that.

And what is success? ;-P

Hermeneutics... that bitch, will not allow you to slip off the hook.

Well... if you'd not start to behave like Derpy. To that one, hermeneutics means mothing... pretty much as anything else. Cause... you know... the reason.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A priori knowledge doesn't exist in a vacuum. It requires a posteriori knowledge to bring it out.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Prometheus may have been the "smarter" brother, but "Epimetheus" wasn't entirely a slouch. He simply married Pandora.

Of course Prometheus ended up chained to a rock with an eagle pecking out his liver every day. That's where we are now. We need to trick Zeus into setting us free. Perhaps we could promise to reveal a secret to him... of who would overthrow him? And then, perhaps, he would set us free again.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Nah, Zeus would probably just destroy us, and, in the process, shift the paradigm.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...again.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Nothing holds "right opinion" about a portrait of Daedalus in place like a nail. Plato "Meno"

from the Jowett introduction

Socrates returns to the consideration of the question 'whether virtue is teachable,' which was denied on the ground that there are no teachers of it: (for the Sophists are bad teachers, and the rest of the world do not profess to teach). But there is another point which we failed to observe, and in which Gorgias has never instructed Meno, nor Prodicus Socrates. This is the nature of right opinion. For virtue may be under the guidance of right opinion as well as of knowledge; and right opinion is for practical purposes as good as knowledge, but is incapable of being taught, and is also liable, like the images of Daedalus, to 'walk off,' because not bound by the tie of the cause. This is the sort of instinct which is possessed by statesmen, who are not wise or knowing persons, but only inspired or divine. The higher virtue, which is identical with knowledge, is an ideal only. If the statesman had this knowledge, and could teach what he knew, he would be like Tiresias in the world below,—'he alone has wisdom, but the rest flit like shadows.'

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The 'nail' of "cause".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

But how can you see the cause and have confidence in it before you've also seen the effect?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The effect alone has a "lack". The cause, a "surplus" that the effect requires.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

On Manque.

and the objet petit a (phallus/ surplus)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Now, perhaps it's time to go on quest for the mythical lost object... the Ark of the Covenent! Naaaah. Once we find it, we'll simply set off on ANOTHER quest

Persistence... the veil covering the adyton...myuh-muh-muh-MY-LAMELLA!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Or, in evolutionary terms, "where is my prey?"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The problem today is that we're living amongst "cannibals".

Anonymous said...

\\A priori knowledge...

Wat zat is?



\\We need to trick Zeus into setting us free. Perhaps we could promise to reveal a secret to him... of who would overthrow him? And then, perhaps, he would set us free again.

External locus of control. Heh.



\\ and right opinion is for practical purposes as good as knowledge, but is incapable of being taught,

That is EXACTLY what I meaned, when I said that we need to BUILD Intelligence -- to know what it is.

Who knows, maybe it'll resolve this 2500 years argument too. ;-P



\\The effect alone has a "lack". The cause, a "surplus" that the effect requires.

If you have it in your hands? Under your full control?

Like in CAD/CAM modeling system? Like in VR realm? Like in "Matrix"?

Are you trying to kidding me?



\\The problem today is that we're living amongst "cannibals".

Dunno.

You say.

Thersites said...

:P

Thersites said...

Golem

Thersites said...

What's the difference between a golem, and a robot?

The AI of zombies... "Eat Brains".

Thersites said...

Who/What gave them this "intelligence" to "eat brains"?

Thersites said...

Who trapped you in this labyrinth of culture? Is it possible to escape it, to leave the matrix? One things almost certain. You cannot go alone. Or can you? Make your purpose, your own.

Anonymous said...

\\Who/What gave them this "intelligence" to "eat brains"?

Our fear.

Well... more like your, Ams fears.

All other world tend to fear more realistic things. ;-)



\\Who trapped you in this labyrinth of culture? Is it possible to escape it, to leave the matrix? One things almost certain. You cannot go alone. Or can you? Make your purpose, your own.

You think somebody ELSE... could give you answers to such questions? ;-)