Why, when we look at contemporary pop culture—movies, music, TV, campus protests, meme culture, and TikTok (especially TikTok)—does the word “incoherence” often come to mind? Why does so much today feel random, disconnected, contradictory, aimless, and altogether void of coherent logic and purpose?
Part of it is that social media’s inherent denarratived randomness has powerfully shaped a schizophrenic cultural consciousness. We see the world as we see our scrolling feeds: one random thing after another, ephemeral and quickly forgotten, providing mild amusement and occasional resonance but without an anchoring narrative that offers lasting satisfaction. As Byung-Chul Han puts it in The Crisis of Narration, digital platforms provide “media of information, not narration. . . . The coherence from which events derive their meaning gives way to a meaningless side-by-side and one-after-the-other.”
Charles Taylor’s concept of “cross-pressures” also helps explain the situation. Contemporary people are bombarded from all directions by information, ideas, experiences, affinities, and spiritual quests—each pulling them in a different direction. Naturally, the experience of cross-pressured life (and its artistic expression) tends to be dizzying, conflicted, and incoherent.
One term academics, artists, and critics have started to use to explain what’s going on is “metamodernism.” For Christians and church leaders, knowing what this term describes—and especially how it finds expression in pop culture—will be helpful for our mission.
Metamodernism: What It Is
Metamodernism is what came after postmodernism, which is what came after modernism. If postmodernism cynically reacts against and deconstructs modernism, metamodernism reacts against modernism and postmodernism, affirming and critiquing aspects of both. Metamodernism opposes the “either/or” bifurcation of modernism and postmodernism. It refuses to choose between sincerity/certainty/hope (modernism) and irony/deconstruction/nihilism (postmodernism). It values both, even if—or perhaps precisely because—such a synthesis is, in the end, illogical and incoherent. Metamodernism accepts this incoherence because it values mood and affect (how I’m feeling / what I’m resonating with) more than rigid logic.
If this seems like a “have your cake and eat it too” philosophy, that’s sort of the point. Shaped by the endless, have-it-your-way horizons of the internet (a structural multiverse of innumerable “truths”), metamodernism is a worldview as wide open and consumer friendly as the smartphone. Take or leave what you want, follow or unfollow, swipe right or left: it’s your iWorld, so make it a good one."
The nice academic term for metamodernism’s hyperconsumerist, bespoke toggling between seemingly contradictory ideas is “oscillation.” The metamodern outlook constantly oscillates between the poles of modernism and postmodernism. This has the effect of making the metamodern posture impossible to pin down and ultimately hyperindividualistic. Each person, in any given moment, might swing multiple times between deconstruction and construction, truth and relativism. It seems to depend only on a vague mood disposition mixed with a cautious sense of avoiding “all-in” commitment to any one direction.
Here’s how one writer describes it:Metamodernism considers that our era is characterized by an oscillation between aspects of both modernism and postmodernism. We see this manifest as a kind of informed naivety, a pragmatic idealism, a moderate fanaticism, oscillating between sincerity and irony, deconstruction and construction, apathy and affect, attempting to attain some sort of transcendent position, as if such a thing were within our grasp. The metamodern generation understands that we can be both ironic and sincere in the same moment; that one does not necessarily diminish the other.This last oscillation—between irony and sincerity—is especially noticeable when you start to look at contemporary pop culture.
Metamodernism in Movies
The best analysis I’ve seen on metamodernism in movies is a video essay by media critic Thomas Flight (embedded below). It’s long (about 40 minutes) but well worth the time if you’d like to learn how the cerebral concepts of metamodernism show up in concrete ways in contemporary movies.
Flight highlights Top Gun: Maverick as an example of a recent “modernist” film and gives an array of examples of “postmodernist” films (Pulp Fiction, No Country for Old Men). Among his examples of “metamodern” movies are the Oscar-winning Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022), Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019), Steven Spielberg’s The Fabelmans (2022), and most of Wes Anderson’s filmography. These movies are characterized both by postmodern reflexivity (self-aware movies about the artifice of movies) and sincere appreciation for real, uncynical emotional encounters, both a postmodern suspicion of narrative optimism and an unabashed desire for the possibility of a “Hollywood ending.”
Three Recent Examples
Once you understand metamodernism, you start to see it everywhere in movies and TV. Here are a few examples of “metamodern movies” from the last year.
1. The Fall Guy (2024)
This recent Ryan Gosling action blockbuster epitomizes metamodernism. The “movie within a movie” plot follows a stunt man (Gosling) who, while on a film set in Australia, gets tied up in real-life peril as well as real-life romance (with Emily Blunt, who plays a film director). The Fall Guy is heavy on postmodern reflexivity and constant self-referential jokes about Hollywood. It’s hyperaware of its artifice.
And yet the film’s central romance is sweet and sincere and appeals to the audience’s nostalgic hunger for earnest, straightforward love stories in movies. In the film’s (spoiler alert) happily-ever-after ending, Gosling says, “What we got is even better than the movies.” The ending is simultaneously sincere and ironic, playfully acknowledging its “Hollywood ending” cheesiness, even as it gives audiences permission to sincerely love and desire such an ending.
2. Love at First Sight (2023)
This Netflix rom-com was a hit with audiences last fall, likely because it embodies the metamodern approach to ironic but sincere romance. The film follows a young woman and young man who meet on a flight to London and, you guessed it, fall in love. The Hallmark-esque plot is unabashedly cheesy but knows it, and this is the key.
The film is just self-aware enough to make it palatable to metamodern audiences who’d otherwise find its love story too naive. The film’s postmodern street cred is reinforced when one character regularly breaks the fourth wall, speaking to the audience in a wink-wink way. Yet this ironic detachment is interspersed with heaps of sincerity and real moments of emotional affect. “We know love stories like this don’t happen in real life,” the film communicates. “But it feels good and right to desire that they do.”
3. Barbie (2023)
Greta Gerwig’s record-breaking blockbuster showcases the “OK with incoherence” nature of metamodernism. The film constantly oscillates between detached, ironic self-awareness (“Yes, we know how ridiculous it is to take seriously a movie about plastic dolls”) and earnest attempts at meaningful reflection (“How might we see ourselves in Barbie’s and Ken’s existential conundrums?”).
As I wrote last summer, Barbie is disorienting yet “at ease in its contradictions.” I found the film unsatisfying due to its incoherent, “have my cake and eat it too” approach to questions of gender. But clearly, most audiences didn’t mind. Indeed, Barbie’s box-office dominance is the clearest signal yet that metamodernism has gone mainstream—and needs to be taken seriously.
Metamodernism’s Implications for the Church
Much more needs to be written about metamodernism’s implications for culture and Christianity, and I hope to revisit these questions in subsequent essays. But for now, here are two brief reflections on the “so what?” of this admittedly cerebral concept: one observation of concern and one reason to be encouraged.
1. Aversion to Logic and ‘Adjusted to Incoherence’
I’ve long been haunted by a phrase Neil Postman used in his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death to describe the way television had eroded our logical faculties: we’d become “adjusted to incoherence.” How much more is this the case in the social media era? And this is indeed what metamodernism reflects.
Metamoderns have become so adjusted to incoherence that they no longer recognize inconsistencies and seem not to mind art, politics, philosophies, and activism rife with internal contradictions. This explains the illogical phenomenon of “woke jihad” that has become ubiquitous on college campuses of late: kaffiyeh-clad hipsters who denounce the patriarchy and promote LGBT+ equality even as they declare solidarity with patriarchal, anti-LGBT Islamist terrorists.
This is but one of countless examples of our adjusted-to-incoherence culture, which shows up in metamodernism’s oscillation between contradictory ideas (can you really believe in both absolute truth and relativism?).
The biggest challenge here is that many metamoderns don’t flinch when their illogical views are pointed out. They aren’t bothered by the internal incoherence of their contradictory stances. This will no doubt pose new challenges to Christian pastors, church leaders, evangelists, and apologists: How do we disciple people toward a coherent, consistently biblical view of the world when they’re increasingly at ease in whatever contradictions best suit them?
2. Real Desire for Meaning and Certainty
Likely because metamodernism is fundamentally subjective, it contains within it an awareness of subjectivity’s limits. Relativism won’t ultimately satisfy. There has to be more than me and my oscillating mood.
This is why the certainty and optimism of modernism appeals. Metamodern people have seen the unsustainability of postmodern deconstruction, and they desire construction. They want to believe problems can be solved and progress can be made. Even as they’re suspicious of absolute truth in theory, their existential reality leads them to desire it. After all, to construct anything, one must have foundations.
It’s here that Christians can find a hopeful inroad with metamodern seekers. Insofar as our faith offers solid foundations and, as a result, demonstrates ongoing construction in a world of deconstruction, it holds natural appeal. The church is well positioned to meet people in the acedia of postmodernity’s afterglow and invite them into a time-tested community of truth, growth, and purposeful mission.
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Thursday, May 30, 2024
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Decadance.
Yawn.
According to Gibbon, Christianity was the result of Roman decadence.
???
History of civilization shows that monotheism -- natural continuation.
So, if not Jesus, then Ahura Mazda. Well, they are quite similar, in face. ;-P
;-P
:P
Yeah...
Yawn.
"Swiss Army Man"... with Redklif. ;-P
;-P
Decadence?
Well... I was not living in that time... so, I can get only indirect clues...
After glorious 19th century... of progress and development... there was stagnation... and war.
...in other words, "bureaucracy".
There where more then two levels of control -- there is bureaucracy. ;-P
Remember? I'm cyberneticist. ;-)
Not just a lowly programmer. So you must know the larger bureaucracies as well. ;P
The larger the bureaucracy, the lesser the individual responsibility... unless the outcome is successful. ;)
The "banality" of evil.
\\Not just a lowly programmer. So you must know the larger bureaucracies as well. ;P
I live in a country.
And it is a part of much bigger world.
So, of course I know bigger bureaucracies. ;-P
\\The "banality" of evil.
Know some other universe? ;-P
Cohen: I regret doing things for him that I should not have: lying, bullying people in order to effectuate a goal. I don't regret working at the Trump Organization, cause, as I expressed before, some very interesting, great times. But, to keep the loyalty and to do the things that he had asked me to do, I violated my moral compass.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-31/how-donald-trumps-hush-money-trial-unfolded-in-new-york/103908378
PS ;-P
He regrets lying for a living? A lawyer?
Ehm... you dunno him???? %-))))))
And that while Derpy and pretty much every of Ams demand knowing EVERYTHING about happening in USA.
Like all other world NOT drowning in its own pool of problems...
No, I know who he is. My comment went to his credibility. Attorney's are seldom known for their "impartiality" and would soon become destitute were they so. My daughter is an attorney.
More than that -- who knows what deal proposed to him by his other deeds? ;-)
He was in prison to boot -- who knows what methods was used over him there?
Third world "justice", that's called. ;-P
Short translation: City on foto -- close to Ukrainian border in RFia, one, on which Russian bombs accidentally falling non-stop... received award as "Safest town". ;-P
That's how TRUE totalitarian propaganda looks and feels like.
Your... have long-long way to go. ;-P
Cynical propaganda deserves the kynical variety as a countermeasure. Perhaps Ukraine should congratulate and give awards to the town for having the greatest and fastest ever graveyard expansion in Ukrainian history.
Why you dislike Ukraine so much?
Feel yourself too burdened of it vigilante deed?
...fastest ever graveyard expansion in Ukrainian history.
History, you still know nothing about.
Yawn.
10.000.000 died in Golodomor genocidal act.
Then
Yet around 10.000.000 in a ww2.
Among which million or two was Jews.
But yeah... "fastest ever graveyard expansion in Ukrainian history", because previous time that was mass-graves... or no graves at all... like you know, poof! and you are smoke!
And... Russian propaganda more and more talking about "we need to hit USA... and hit HARD"...
but you, continue-continue to stay with your ideas...
Well.
There, at mr.B(r)in blog. Was such a participant -- Treebeard.
Very corrosive critic of DEMN public there. And on the brink of 24th of February it took such a stance, that "nothing will happen, and you will be looking stupid, crazy DEMNs".
But.
Happened what happened. And it do not appear in that blog anymore. Was it "torpedo shock" to it. Or... it was just smart enough to understand, that after taking such unambigious stance, and failing -- he will be ridiculed till no end. And will NEVER be able to regain its high and mighty critic stance... who knows???
But... I'd say, it's bad -- to be like that Treebeard.
Yawn.
Troglodite! See something -- hit it with a stick! ;-P
New spears... your Pentagon STILL thinks you not need... ;-P
I don't hate Ukraine. I've become indifferent to it. What the Russians do there is NMB.
Well... I see no reason to blame you.
Especially in a way Derpy trying to blame me NOT being indifferent... to things around dRump. ;-P
But... RFia -- it's a country with history.
It was USSR core. And it have stockpiles of nukes... nukes directed at USA... and now they talking, even more and more... about hitting USA... "asymmetrically"(apart of decades of previous talks about destroying WHOLE North America... in numerous kinds of ways).
Why such a danger could leave anyone (anyone who sit in bullseye of a target) indifferent to it... beat me, I dunno.
I can say only having a strong doubt -- that that "indifference"... is feigned.
I should be critical of Russia because they have the same weapons that I have? I should fear them for that same reason? Non sequitur.
Well.
Jews learned it HARD way.
"When someone says they want to kill you, believe them." - Elie Wiesel""
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Which may explains their stance in Gaza, but then again, Russia didn't invade my country and murder my citizens. It's the "acta" that counts, not the "verba".
Stockpiling nukes for almost century -- it's NOT acta????
Then what??? %-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You still don't get it -- they WILL NOT give you Pearl Harbor. And time to re-group and strike back.
Even Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor with having in mind One Shut, One Kill.
It's just... technologies in that time. And all strategical disposition... was not favorable.
But... that became visible only AFTER.
But today... after history lessons known to everyone -- 9/11, bin Laden attacked you heartland.
But... he have had too few resources and capabilities... imagine what could do if that'll be COUNTRY-sponsored attack????
Especially if one of biggest or biggest country attack. Nukes, poisons, artifical spores and whatever else.
And you -- USA.
Are sitting ducks. Strategically.
You waiting till attack happen. And that attack will be through border or in a way -- ATTACKER will be choosing. And your "intelligence" will be mostly OBLIVIOUS (like idea that skyscrepers could be attacked with jetliners)...
Please, just read my latest post on FEAR-MONGERING.
America's motto: "In G_d we Trust." In bureaucrats and politicians (and all others), we "trust but verify."
And the government bureaucrats haven't been too "trustworthy" on the Russia-Russia issue since 2016 (Trump a Putin puppet).
\\Please, just read my latest post on FEAR-MONGERING.
Already commented.
Well... there is hiden assumption. I thought it being common and visible.
But it seems -- I was totally wrong.
It says, that: "It's better to prevent problem on the earliest stage possible".
But... as our talks, about Steve Jobs for example, suggests that you (all USAians)... seems like feel themself too lucky, that nothing bad will ever happened with em and even if happen, there'd be a way to fix or mitigate (and then COVID happen... and post-COVID problems).
That... is the case, here?
\\America's motto: "In G_d we Trust." In bureaucrats and politicians (and all others), we "trust but verify."
And what about doctors????
What made you to avert from cigarettes????
Doctors???? Saying "you'll have cancer"???
I dunno, I cannot see it from here, so your witnessing -- valuable for me.
\\And the government bureaucrats haven't been too "trustworthy" on the Russia-Russia issue since 2016 (Trump a Putin puppet).
Only from 2016?????
And what about 2014?
2008 in Georgia????
Well... whatever. I do not plan to blame you for anything here.
I could use a good smoke. Nothing beats a Swisher Sweet and a glass of Drambui on the rocks.
Doctors need fo 'ef themselves. Especially the "virus making to prevent flu" kind. Lab escapes? Ooooops!
No, we won't be taking on non-problems anymore. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Well... before getting better, it must became MUCH worse.
I get it. I do.
PS That's why I dislike History. Yawn.
Got blood?
Nothing news under the moon.
Have you heard about
Ignaz Semmelweis
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ignaz_Semmelweis
Postpartum infection, also known as puerperal fever or childbed fever, consists of any bacterial infection of the reproductive tract following birth, and in the ...
You don't find it disgusting that the US gave its' REJECTED blood to the UK to use?
Maybe we can give you all the rejected HiMARS in our contractor-rejected stockpiles to use....
You USAians... are such perfectionists... ;-)
And... you NOT followed that link... to investigate, isn't it?
Even though.
... 7 In USA puerperal infection occurs in between 1-8% of all deliveries and about 3 die from puerperal sepsis/100,000 deliveries. 8 In UK the number of direct maternal deaths from1985-2005 due to genital tract sepsis/100,000 maternities was 0.4-0.85. 9 Global incidence reported to be 4.4% of live births. 6 The incidence reported for Pakistan is 10-15%. ...
See... it's all about numbers.
Century ago it was tens of %s.
And now it 'insignificant'.
Yawn.
That way it makes problems that still plague all other world so rare on your turf... that it makes you think that you are somehow immune...
Educated at the universities of Pest and Vienna, Semmelweis received his doctor’s degree from Vienna in 1844 and was appointed assistant at the obstetric clinic in Vienna. He soon became involved in the problem of puerperal infection, the scourge of maternity hospitals throughout Europe. Although most women delivered at home, those who had to seek hospitalization because of poverty, illegitimacy, or obstetrical complications faced mortality rates ranging as high as 25–30 percent. Some thought that the infection was induced by overcrowding, poor ventilation, the onset of lactation, or miasma. Semmelweis proceeded to investigate its cause over the strong objections of his chief, who, like other continental physicians, had reconciled himself to the idea that the disease was unpreventable.
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Semmelweis observed that, among women in the first division of the clinic, the death rate from childbed fever was two or three times as high as among those in the second division, although the two divisions were identical with the exception that students were taught in the first and midwives in the second. He put forward the thesis that perhaps the students carried something to the patients they examined during labour. The death of a friend from a wound infection incurred during the examination of a woman who died of puerperal infection and the similarity of the findings in the two cases gave support to his reasoning. He concluded that students who came directly from the dissecting room to the maternity ward carried the infection from mothers who had died of the disease to healthy mothers. He ordered the students to wash their hands in a solution of chlorinated lime before each examination.
Under these procedures, the mortality rates in the first division dropped from 18.27 to 1.27 percent, and in March and August of 1848 no woman died in childbirth in his division.
ESPECIALLY this NEXT paragraph.
The younger medical men in Vienna recognized the significance of Semmelweis’s discovery and gave him all possible assistance. His superior, on the other hand, was critical—not because he wanted to oppose him but because he failed to understand him.
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See.
"Those... who know better". ;-)
They are EXACTLY THE SAME in all times.
And you trying to sway me with that silly mischap with blood in UK. ;-P
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In 1855 he was appointed professor of obstetrics at the University of Pest. He married, had five children, and developed his private practice. His ideas were accepted in Hungary, and the government addressed a circular to all district authorities ordering the introduction of the prophylactic methods of Semmelweis. In 1857 he declined the chair of obstetrics at the University of Zürich. Vienna remained hostile toward him, and the editor of the Wiener Medizinische Wochenschrift wrote that it was time to stop the nonsense about the chlorine hand wash.
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How Derpy-esque, isn't it????
IT never heard about it -- means, it never true. ;-P
Cretins... are the same in all times TOO. ;-P
\\In 1861 Semmelweis published his principal work, Die Ätiologie, der Begriff und die Prophylaxis des Kindbettfiebers (The Etiology, Concept, and Prophylaxis of Childbed Fever). He sent it to all the prominent obstetricians and medical societies abroad, but the general reaction was adverse. The weight of authority stood against his teachings. He addressed several open letters to professors of medicine in other countries but to little effect. His letters grew increasingly offensive, with expressions of anger, frustration, and bitterness. At a conference of German physicians and natural scientists, most of the speakers—including the pathologist Rudolf Virchow—rejected his doctrine.
And "officialismo"... as you say.
Yawn.
Or... that is "war-mongering"???
Yawn.
It BOTH the same.
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From 1861 onward Semmelweis’s mental health deteriorated. The years of controversy had gradually undermined his spirit, and he suffered bouts of severe depression. By 1865 his behaviour had become increasingly erratic, possibly because of dementia or advanced syphilis. His colleagues eventually enticed him to visit a mental institution, whereupon Semmelweis, realizing his colleagues’ intent, protested and attempted to leave but was taken in by the guards. He was beaten severely, placed under confinement, and subjected to treatments with castor oil. He died two weeks into his detention at the asylum.
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30k deaths. What's that compared to the 8 billion? The fact that they were all preventable? SNORE!
btw - When do you think they're going to tell Africa where all those HIV cases came from (blood & contaminated/re-used needles).
By 1985, the HIV pandemic was recognized, and blood transfusions were estimated to contribute to 10–15% of HIV transmission in Africa.
The re-use of dirty needles in healthcare – not promiscuity – was the main cause of the AIDS pandemic now devastating Africa, according to a controversial new analysis. It challenges the assumption, dating from 1988, that unsafe heterosexual sex accounted for 90 per cent of HIV transmissions in Africa.
You not enough open-minded.
Think about Eve premature death. ;-)
Think Adam could pull it all by himself? ;-P
That "give birth to children"???
You just again... taking as granted something that are hard earned... and easily perishable.
The Public Health f*ck-ups are now killing more people than they used to cure.
When the 50% bird-flu death epidemic from a lab-leak hits, make sure to get "vaccinated".
So what??? Washing hands... is nonsense, still? ;-P
You just met another kind of knowledge... and it made you so agitated? ;-)
No, this is just another example of the dangers of "authority" that get tranferred upon the process of "normal science" to the detriment of revolutionary science (Thomas Kuhn paradigm).
Well... you are too much techy nerd...
I know such cases. Myself almost the same.
But, almost. I know that there is other kinds of knowledge too.
Like that in medicine... or, in system administration. ;-)
Means... there is that cases -- when you do not, and cannot have complete information...
but, still need to continue operate, somehow. ;-)
And that is... what Politics even to bigger extent is -- try to play with poker-face that you know what you are doing... when in reality you know even less than a layman.(laymen... they are wisest, know everything) ;-P
...and this is why I so abhor today's digital censorship regime.
...under the pernicious guise of preventing disinformation or misinformation by the 'authorities" of maintaining status quo science.
Because PEOPLE themself WANT it.
Same as you want it to be simple.
THEY want it to be EVEN SIMPLER.
Traditional society -- our tribe chieftain/shaman says to us what to do -- we do as we said.
Like.
There was my encounter with some feminist... in socnet. I, as you could devise yourself, gave my snarky comment.
To which that feminist reacted with "here, I reported you to abuse team".
Though... that abuse team -- that is exactly patriarchy mechanisms, it swore to fight against.
But... that is ALL LIES... that feminists fight against "patriarchy" and "masculinity".
That is just their... femalish... way to appeal to that masculinity and patriarchy. ;-P
Same is with that pShaw...
she not only SUPPORT wholeheartedly that censure.
But even trying, with her miserly ability, to replicate it in her blog (with pre-moderation).
Because -- that is how it works.
Was it NEVER happened to you -- when some females trying to shush you????
You was working in peculiar, very distanced from ordinary society, environment.
And now your perception screwed by that experience.
Yes, people want things to be simple. But when faced with a new crises, like Covid, to censor people means to prevent the breakthroughs needed to resolve the crises. I'm not a biologist, but I knew that the prescribed countermeasures (mRNA vaccines) were likely to produce more damage than doing nothing (allow the natural T-cell immune response to adapt instead of flooding it with superfluous mRNA induced antibody protections).
The point is, they should have let responsible people to decide for themselves rather that force people into harming themselves by submitting to untested and ultimately ineffective medical interventions.
ps - I worked with many competent women at NASA. The only place that I ever worked without many women was in the shipyard, and even there we had some women welders who's welding output put many a man to shame.
Crying about spilled milk... that is.
\\ps - I worked with many competent women at NASA.
That what I said... it not about sex.
And even not about gender.
It -- about WHOLE system.
I agree, it is a systemic problem revolving around the nature of authority and its' attachment to 'experts'. It's a "Lindy" problem... of not knowing "when" to break with Lindy.
Either too much or not enough skin-in-the-game.... finding the "meden agan".
Dynamic equilibrium... it's inherentally unstable. ;-P
But that is something... that Ancient Greeks didn't know.
That's why "wisdoms of the past, tend to grow imprecise or even outdated... with time"(tm)
And it can be fixed only with Leap of Knowledge.
Like Einstein showed.
Before him was that controversy with "is there ether? and how it should react to a movment?".
And he came and stated: "Stop that dumb shit babbling -- there's NO ether. Bu-ga-gah!!!". ;-P
Fields - Ether. I think it's "both" An "Axion" particle-based ether that generates the "vacuum" of Space-Time.
Bu-ga-gah!
Yeah... in same way "impetus" are Force of Gravity.
Yawn.
People want it simple... and journalists/ other virtue-signaling so-called experts, et al, become obsessed with self-image and being partisan actors/ activists that can not see and/or will not acknowledge the complexity in a situation, for to acknowledge that complexity is to subject ones-self to being characterized as possessing a form of morality-based intolerant hate.
...and get cancelled by their particular 'society of experts" (ie - normal science - normal group morality
...excommunicated for heresy.
purity = cancellation/excommunication
\\...excommunicated for heresy.
Why... you want their attention? Their recognition? %-)))))))))))))))))))))))0
I want them to see woke-ism for what it is (much like Trumpism). A secular-civil religion that skew all facts with a non-factual values-based ideology.
In other words, get them to "put on" or sometimes "take off" the glasses.
:P
\\I want them to see woke-ism for what it is (much like Trumpism).
What for???
It seems you are not being critical, not analyzing your own motives. ;-)
\\A secular-civil religion that skew all facts with a non-factual values-based ideology.
Whatever.
Traditional society just strike back.
And best way to repel it, to leave it off the ground -- is to introduce NEW tech. ;-P
\\In other words, get them to "put on" or sometimes "take off" the glasses.
To give em fruit of knowledge, for em realize that they are naked? ;-P
But... you have NO knowledge yourself. ;-)
Maybe... just maybe, that is the reason of your non-success. ;-)
The point is to realize that we are all Socrates, who know nothing, not even ourselves.
Operational success means to live another day.
It doesn't mean you have any "truth".
The feeling of "power" is merely "strength in numbers"... that others are as deluded as yourself in the same way.
Well... that's why seeking truth through science -- is so darn. ;-P
Because... in THAT MOMENT... that exact moment -- you are one and only. ;-)
Same as with tech projects... like Gustave Eiffel for example.
Like back to that idea... of "making more, from less".
Instead of scrapping Andes and Himalayas... with moving millions of tons of stone and wiring it in metal... to a futile mostly results.
Make use of Ocean.
To use it as building ground (pseudo-zero-gravity -- anything can be moved with easy).
And then use light balloons instead of metal.
And having ocean surface to receive things back, or in case of accidents.
And... zero manual labor. ;-P
High-altitude balloon
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In 2013, a balloon named BS 13-08 reached a record altitude of 53.7 km (33.4 mi; 176,000 ft).
That is higher then F-22??? Or even that pseudo-spaceflights?
I did not double-checked it... thought that it would be 20 km max...
So. Even more -- use balloons to make lighter than air tower -- up to 50 km.
And from there -- make just a "ladder" into space. ;-)
Based on exchange of momentum. ;-)
It's a shame I sold my air tank, regulator, weight belt and bouyancy compensator....
Obviously... it all will be built not with such break and mortar means. ;-P
But with tech of flexible robots. ;-)
So in other words, no fun for humans. :(
You should let the flexible robots s*ck everyone's dicks.
Well... one of possible uses.
And, maybe, even commercially suck-sessful. ;-P
But... I hope you will forgive me for not being too excited about it. Let somebody else explore that possibilities. :-)))))))
\\So in other words, no fun for humans. :(
Dunno why you think that way...
for anyone to afford oceanic yacht... own submarine or a spaces-flight.
Would not be fun????
HOW????!!!!
A d*ck sucking fish today is so much more fun that than a ocean yacht fifty years from now.
And not being able to have with oceanic yacht... fifty years from now (well, much sooner)???
Instinct of survival... thinned in you. :-/
Well... if we homo sapiens was a tribe that prefer "dikk sukked today"... we'd still be hanging on that trees, as our other cousines. ;-P
But... our lifespan is too long. And immediate desires are too satisfieble. And boredom is so easy...
naah. Finish with fish, then build a dick sucking rabbit.
...and we left the tree because we didn't want to keeping sucking the chimps and apes dicks.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Like we was able to differentiate.
Like in that snarky anekdote.
After Armageddon... last man standing in a desert.
Female chimpanzee comes close to him, telling: "So what? All from the start?".
On the leash of her name -- Eve. ;-P
\\naah. Finish with fish, then build a dick sucking rabbit.
Hah. So that was ref to MY fish-robot. :-))))))))))))))))))))0
I thought that was ref to some arcane USA inner joke. ;-P
(like artifical pussy for iPads)
This one better? ;-P
https://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2024/06/wow-just-wow.html
Somebody needs to give the programmer for that Starship fin/flap controller a bonus.
Programmer???
Algorithm developer?
Dunno... is there such position???
Yet...
Ever hear of an ADD? Algorithm Description Document?
Or do you just care about positions?
I prefer Knuth. ;-P
...of course you do. He's a member of the APS and not the APA.
like I care... yawn.
I even dunno -- wat zat????
America's break with the Royal Society.
Aaaah... I see.
I was refering to that historical anekdote.
About Royal Acadeny... of France, antiks? ;-)
Ever heard of it's founder?
:)
That's... your local wiseman. Yawn.
Indeed... something a bit more substantial than a mere actor, though.
Does Zenlensky play chess?
More on the power of propaganda.
Zelensky seems more a "John Adams" type than a "Ben Franklin" one. In military garb, he represent "siege" diplomacy. So where's the "seduction"? Surely the American elite have been seduced by Ukraine's riches. But the American masses, what do they get other than a feeling of pity for the poor victim's of Russia? Not even a single oligarchical Lafayette to fight for Ukraine or to root for...
Your Ukrainian propaganda just won't do... there's no "romance" in it.
Perhaps a tale of the ingenious Shanzai of the men in the trenches? Nope. Not even an appeal to lovers of "tech", like yourself. If they weren't shooting at you and your friends, you probably wouldn't give 2 sh*ts about them either.
\\ But the American masses, what do they get other than a feeling of pity for the poor victim's of Russia?
Brainwashed by DEMN propaganda?
That makes em live in a virtual world in which most important topic -- sexual adventures of dRump... happened decades ago. %-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
\\Your Ukrainian propaganda...
"Ukrainian propaganda"? WHERE????!!! %-))))))))
As you yourself could get -- I was communicating with Russians, for a long time.
And that line -- "Your Ukrainian propaganda" I heard from em too. OFTEN.
But... same as you. They was UNABLE to point even to ONE example.
Always there was hand-waving "there, somewhere, it is".
I call it -- OVER-poisoning by their own inner propaganda. To the level, that they CANNOT understand that there can be NO propaganda... it always "there, somewhere...".
Yawn.
\\Perhaps a tale of the ingenious Shanzai of the men in the trenches? Nope. Not even an appeal to lovers of "tech", like yourself. If they weren't shooting at you and your friends, you probably wouldn't give 2 sh*ts about them either.
????
\\Zelensky seems...
He... just stomping at bare facts...
Well, same as I here.
Yawn.
\\But the American masses, what do they get other than a feeling of pity for the poor victim's of Russia?
So.
Bare fact here is -- whatever big war in Europe, it will make Americans involved in it... sooner or later.
But... the more later USA will deem itself being involved -- the bigger will be the cost to it.
Cost in lives of USAians.
Yawn.
But.
As you stated yourself.
" If they weren't shooting at you and your friends, you probably wouldn't give 2 sh*ts about them either."
Another word -- who cares about that victims... of Uvalde.
Meh.
That's what Wokeism (and Hollywood?) made -- overbearing over lifes of people, unnecessarily, decreased people's in USA ability to care about human life IN GENERAL.
It's only propaganda when others do it? ;)
Are exhortations to virtue, propaganda? What if the listener is seeking virtue? Only those who resist virtue would call it "propaganda".
ps - Fear-mongering isn't an exhortation to virtue. It's a rustler trying to stampede the herd. I'm just a cowboy on the edge of the herd, singing a love song to the cattle.
...keeping them calm.
Anima mundi.
\\It's only propaganda when others do it? ;)
I. Properly asked you to GIVE an EXAMPLE, isn't it? ;-)
I. Need no additional example -- to know that your CNN channel is just DEMN propaganda device in and out.
Also... I need no adds to know that Russian media and politics is 100% lies and propaganda.
But...
what you (or Russians) see as "Ukrainian propaganda"... I still dunno???
That... that Ukraine DESERVE to be independent? Deserve people of it to stay alive????
\\Are exhortations to virtue, propaganda?
What is virtue, again?
Is liliPut's claims that they killing Ukrainians because they are "nazis" -- is a VIRTUE, virtue of "exterminating nazis"????
\\What if the listener is seeking virtue?
And what that listener seeking? Can he give definition?
Or... "anything goes" is that definition -- call whatever you like, whatever you do (as Derpy do -- calling it's obsessive lies "truth-telling") -- a virtue??? %-))))))
\\Only those who resist virtue would call it "propaganda".
Yap.
Religious "virtue" -- call all infidels, non-believers -- a heathens.
For they do not support YOUR virtue. ;-P
\\ps - Fear-mongering isn't an exhortation to virtue.
Even if it based on facts???
Like crying "Wolfs!!!" when that wolfs gnawing on your bones already -- is NOT virtuous???
"Yawn. Stop pretending, will ya??? We KNOW that you feel NO pain. What a hypocrite."
\\ I'm just a cowboy on the edge of the herd, singing a love song to the cattle.
Cowboy that thinking that there's no need to ward off wolfs gnawing on its herd???
Because... that wolfs told to him -- that it doesn't happen? That that is "natural turn to multy-herdarity" AKA we'll cut troats of HALF of your herd... because we declared it ours.
And we give you our honest word... that we will not continue to do that with "your" half.
Bu-ga-gah!
Believe US... because we VERY HONEST and VERY ADHERENT to our deals and treaties... wolfs. ;-P
What is virtue, again?
For the hundredth time:
courage:temperance::wisdom:justice
And what is justice? It's giving each his due. It's giving Ukraine THEIR due. It's giving Russia their due. It's giving the cattle their due. It's giving the wolves their due.
The cattle mooing to kill all wolves and doing so wouldn't be "justice" It would be "just is". So when Ukraine moo's, THAT's "propaganda" meant to influence actions.
A refresher.
"Social Justice" gives NO ONE their DUE.
In Socrates day, it was illegal. But in the case of the "wisdom" of the Athenians, the laws were disregarded and admirals executed.
wisdom:justice with courage (vice temperance) to disregard the law and execute the admirals.
At least Socrate's eventual trial and execution was "lawful". That of the admirals was NOT.
virtue = courage:temperance::wisdom:justice
Opposed "parts" of virtue.
Plato, "Laches" SOCRATES: I will tell you. He and I have a notion that there is not one knowledge or science of the past, another of the present, a third of what is likely to be best and what will be best in the future; but that of all three there is one science only: for example, there is one science of medicine which is concerned with the inspection of health equally in all times, present, past, and future; and one science of husbandry in like manner, which is concerned with the productions of the earth in all times. As to the art of the general, you yourselves will be my witnesses that he has an excellent foreknowledge of the future, and that he claims to be the master and not the servant of the soothsayer, because he knows better what is happening or is likely to happen in war: and accordingly the law places the soothsayer under the general, and not the general under the soothsayer. Am I not correct in saying so, Laches?
LACHES: Quite correct.
SOCRATES: And do you, Nicias, also acknowledge that the same science has understanding of the same things, whether future, present, or past?
NICIAS: Yes, indeed Socrates; that is my opinion.
SOCRATES: And courage, my friend, is, as you say, a knowledge of the fearful and of the hopeful?
NICIAS: Yes.
SOCRATES: And the fearful, and the hopeful, are admitted to be future goods and future evils?
NICIAS: True.
SOCRATES: And the same science has to do with the same things in the future or at any time?
NICIAS: That is true.
SOCRATES: Then courage is not the science which is concerned with the fearful and hopeful, for they are future only; courage, like the other sciences, is concerned not only with good and evil of the future, but of the present and past, and of any time?
NICIAS: That, as I suppose, is true.
SOCRATES: Then the answer which you have given, Nicias, includes only a third part of courage; but our question extended to the whole nature of courage: and according to your view, that is, according to your present view, courage is not only the knowledge of the hopeful and the fearful, but seems to include nearly every good and evil without reference to time. What do you say to that alteration in your statement?
NICIAS: I agree, Socrates.
SOCRATES: But then, my dear friend, if a man knew all good and evil, and how they are, and have been, and will be produced, would he not be perfect, and wanting in no virtue, whether justice, or temperance, or holiness? He would possess them all, and he would know which were dangers and which were not, and guard against them whether they were supernatural or natural; and he would provide the good, as he would know how to deal both with gods or men.
NICIAS: I think, Socrates, that there is a great deal of truth in what you say.
SOCRATES: But then, Nicias, courage, according to this new definition of yours, instead of being a part of virtue only, will be all virtue?
NICIAS: It would seem so.
SOCRATES: But we were saying that courage is one of the parts of virtue?
NICIAS: Yes, that was what we were saying.
SOCRATES: And that is in contradiction with our present view?
NICIAS: That appears to be the case.
SOCRATES: Then, Nicias, we have not discovered what courage is.
NICIAS: We have not.
LACHES: And yet, friend Nicias, I imagined that you would have made the discovery, when you were so contemptuous of the answers which I made to Socrates. I had very great hopes that you would have been enlightened by the wisdom of Damon.
So every Ukrainian plea for American aid in attacking Russia is "propaganda"... not for justice, but for "social justice".
BTW - I wayched the first episode of "A Gentleman in Moscow". I find the main character particularly "Socratic".
\\For the hundredth time:
\\courage:temperance::wisdom:justice
That's... just words, words, words.
I was asking for FUNCTIONAL definition.
Better if technological.
But... for at least -- scientific.
Or... for that very-very least, something logical-rational.
For now... that all just a hand-waving.
\\And what is justice? It's giving each his due. It's giving Ukraine THEIR due. It's giving Russia their due. It's giving the cattle their due. It's giving the wolves their due.
I see...
"anything goes", as criterion.
Yawn.
\\The cattle mooing to kill all wolves and doing so wouldn't be "justice" It would be "just is". So when Ukraine moo's, THAT's "propaganda" meant to influence actions.
And what about when USA moo's... for more then two year already???
Will someone... anyone, will come to help USA-cow, when wolfs will come to it? ;-P
\\"Social Justice" gives NO ONE their DUE.
Like I care.
That is your domestic problems.
NMP.
\\A refresher.
\\That of the admirals was NOT.
"There was a roar of approval from the crowd."(c)
Yawn.
An aristocrat returns to Russia after the revolution and is confined to a Moscow hotel as sentence for his "aristocratic crimes". The lenience of his sentence was due to a poem that had been attributed him calling for revolution against an "unjust" Czarist regime.
\\ So every Ukrainian plea for American aid in attacking Russia is "propaganda"...
That's... quiet UNsophisticated definition.
Yawn.
\\BTW - I wayched the first episode of "A Gentleman in Moscow". I find the main character particularly "Socratic".
Better read
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For at least... it is documentary.
Instead of some "what Westerners see Russia be, through glasses made to em by Russia's cunning propaganda".
Yawn.
Yes words. Words to induce "temperance" (non-action) in the listener. A "charm" sung to sooth the cattle and prevent a stampede.
\\An aristocrat returns to Russia after the revolution and is confined to a Moscow hotel as sentence for his "aristocratic crimes". The lenience of his sentence was due to a poem that had been attributed him calling for revolution against an "unjust" Czarist regime.
Bu-ga-gah!!! %-))))))))))))))))))))))))))
\\Yes words. Words to induce "temperance" (non-action) in the listener. A "charm" sung to sooth the cattle and prevent a stampede.
Read Reed above -- how words was even more SURE thing to start that stampede.
AKA "Russian uprising -- senseless and brutal". ;-P
I was asking for FUNCTIONAL definition.
...and I gave you the mathematical formula for the algorithm.
\\ The lenience of his sentence was due to a poem that had been attributed him calling for revolution against an "unjust" Czarist regime.
Yawn.
DEMN propaganda.
That "everything can be decided... with words alone".
Naturally, why DEMNs like to proclaim that -- as they more meticulous with using words, usually. ;-P
It's moral "physics". I'm not going to bother trying to explain black holes.
\\...and I gave you the mathematical formula for the algorithm.
Pft!
You want to fool profi(?) programmer with such a boastful words???
If you have algo -- show THE code of a program, that running that algo and shows results.
Because without it... that's "dog ate my homework" lame schooler excuse.
Yawn.
You can read the many dialogues of Plato yourself.
\\It's moral "physics". I'm not going to bother trying to explain black holes.
That's... even worse.
If that is "physics" -- then you MUST be able to show and prove it in an experiment. ;-)
Sorry.
But words like "algorithm", "physics" and all -- do not work on my as some spells. To make me mesmerized and admit defeat. ;-P
Quite contrary.
They like say WATER to a fish. ;-)
\\You can read the many dialogues of Plato yourself.
I do not discuss anything with Plato.
A Good Life is an experiment that never gets "proved" except to its' owner.
Fail. Fail again. Fail BETTER!
\\SOCRATES: And courage, my friend, is, as you say, a knowledge of the fearful and of the hopeful?
Little tinsy problem here.
Was it said in English originally??? What was the meaning of that word "courage" THEN???
Do you say "meaning was the same"???
HOW????
While we have SO BIG DISCREPANCIES in meaning of "same" words even across modern languages???
\\SOCRATES: Then the answer which you have given, Nicias, includes only a third part of courage; but our question extended to the whole nature of courage: and according to your view, that is, according to your present view, courage is not only the knowledge of the hopeful and the fearful, but seems to include nearly every good and evil without reference to time. What do you say to that alteration in your statement?
\\NICIAS: I agree, Socrates.
Do *I* need to agree??? ;-)
While... if refer to "courage" as a streak of adrenaline (about which Socrates was totally oblivious) that instigates reaction to a danger -- that "courage" is ONLY exist in the moment future becomes NOW. ;-)
But... will you be able to play Socrates part here, and answer something meticulous here? ;-)
\\Fail. Fail again. Fail BETTER!
Be my guest.
courage OR RASHNESs are only "proven" in the result (by SUCCESS).
Plato's "code" has been running for 2,500 years. He hold's the Lindy record.
The point is to learn Greek, and read it in the original. Greek Latin and Hebrew are 3 languages that used to be taught to all students. Welcome to Plato's cave.
...where we just interpret shadows that the "journalists" behind us in front of the fire cast upon the cave walls.
You need to unchain yourself and spend some time in the sunlight.
btw - Where does all this woke and gay sh*t come from? The same universities that have abolished the core curriculum, prevent Greek and Latin from being mainstreamed, and insist that everyone be a millionaire so they can buy Teslas and be carbon neutral by the year 2050. @@
Welcome to Fahrenheit 451. What book are you?
\\A Good Life is an experiment that never gets "proved" except to its' owner.
???
\\SOCRATES: But then, my dear friend, if a man knew all good and evil,
That... we know as NOT POSSIBLE. Even theoreticly.
\\Welcome to Fahrenheit 451. What book are you?
Autobiography. ;-P
\\You need to unchain yourself and spend some time in the sunlight.
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))00
Said cave mole... to a sunburn fellow. ;-P
Raven cawed: Projection, projection, projection. ;-)
\\Plato's "code" has been running for 2,500 years. He hold's the Lindy record.
And Evolution beats him... with "running" it for 4 billion YEARS. ;-P
\\The point is to learn Greek, and read it in the original.
Will not help. :-((((
Origins already lost. Irreversibly. :-((((
\\btw - Where does all this woke and gay sh*t come from?
It was here... in all times.
Remember? "There was a roar of approval from the crowd."
You mistake elites for the crowd. The crowd is now roaring back in France, Eorope, et al.
How is evolution pro-active. It stores information on "successes" so that they can be repeated, with difference. Like books.
There won't be many woke copies when it's over. They'll fail to "reproduce".
Elites... follow crowd, or else... that crowd leads em toward... guillotines. ;-P
\\There won't be many woke copies when it's over. They'll fail to "reproduce".
Like Evolution... EVER cared about such things. ;-P
When the Terror was over, Robspierre's head was on a pike. And Marat was a bathtub ring.
\\How is evolution pro-active. It stores information on "successes" so that they can be repeated, with difference. Like books.
Like Evolution... EVER cared about such things. ;-P
(do I need to give that link to that cartoon... again?????)
\\When the Terror was over, Robspierre's head was on a pike. And Marat was a bathtub ring.
Yap.
They thought that they CAN lead. ;-P
What a fools. Bu-ga-gah!!!
\\SOCRATES: Then, Nicias, we have not discovered what courage is.
\\NICIAS: We have not.
And... what is virtue, again? ;-)
Like Evolution... EVER cared about such things
DNA?
And... what is virtue, again? ;-)
Writing esoterically, not exoterically. :)
...To make sure that those who wish to understand, can think.
When you believe in things
That you don't understand,
Then you suffer,
Superstition ain't the way...
...Hyperstition IS! ;)
\\Like Evolution... EVER cared about such things
\\DNA?
Even DNA. Yawn.
\\Writing esoterically, not exoterically. :)
Means... non-practical.
\\...To make sure that those who wish to understand, can think.
Oh, please.
"Those, who know better" to want somebody to think... ;-P
\\...Hyperstition IS! ;)
Yawn. Whatever.
Horse -> Water -> Doesn't Drink.
*Yawn*
Virtue can't be taught. :)
Yeah... it comes as a blessing... from a flaming bush. ;-P
And, it seems I need to reveal that obviousness -- I am not horse from your herd. And I will not drink water from that muddy pond your herd have NO other choice to drink. ;-)
Feel free to feel yourself offended by it. But... that's just bare facts. ;-)
Or... you can just enjoy it -- opinion from a side.
Damn those Lycean peasants!
;-P
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