Whenever a country's social contract unravels, conditions become ripe for rumours and absurdities to circulate. Even when these are outrageous and obviously nonsensical, they can give expression to a people's deepest fears and prejudices.
Such is the case in Russia today, where Sergei Markov, a former adviser to President Vladimir Putin, has warned that Ukraine is creating "gay super-soldiers" to wage war against his country: "Military theorists and historians know which army in Greece was the strongest, remember? The Spartans. They were united by a homosexual brotherhood. They were all homos. These were the politics of their leadership. I think they are planning the same for Ukraine's Armed Forces."
Of course, this mixture of homophobia, fake history, and Marvel comic-inspired ideas of super-soldiers indicates that Markov is not interested in encouraging critical thinking and reasoned analysis. No matter: such idiotic statements apparently resonate with at least some important segments of Russian society.
The same derangement also increasingly applies to Russian historical memories of major national traumas and crimes. At a recent ceremony in Velikiye Luki, in Russia's Pskov region, a priest known as "Father Anthony" doused holy water on a 26-foot statue of Stalin. Though "the Church suffered" during Stalin's long reign of terror, he observed, Russians today should be grateful that they have so many "new Russian martyrs and confessors to whom we now pray and are helping us in our Motherland's resurgence."
Such perverse reasoning is just a step away from arguing that Jews should be grateful to Hitler for opening the way for the State of Israel. In fact, precisely that has already effectively happened. According to a 2019 investigation by Channel 13 news in Israel, future Israeli army officers at the state-funded Bnei David military prep school are taught, by rabbis, that:"The Holocaust was not about killing the Jews. Nonsense. And that it was systematic and ideological makes it more moral than random murder. Humanism, secular culture – that is the Holocaust. The real Holocaust is pluralism. The Nazi logic was internally consistent. Hitler said that a certain group in society is the cause of all the evil in the world and therefore it must be exterminated. … For years, God has been screaming that the Diaspora is over but Jews aren't obeying. That is their disease that the Holocaust must cure. … Hitler was the most righteous. Of course, he was right in every word he said. His ideology was correct. … [The Nazis'] only error was who was on which side."The lesson does not end there. Students also learn that:"With the help of God, slavery will return. The non-Jews will want to be our slaves. These people around us have genetic problems. Ask an average Arab what he wants to be. He wants to be under occupation. … They don't know how to run a country or anything. … Yes, we are racists. We believe in racism. Races have genetic characteristics. So we must consider how to help them."To be sure, this extreme rhetoric is openly endorsed by only a tiny, fanatical religious minority. And yet, it hints at the underlying premise behind the current far-right government's policies in the West Bank. To compare the situation in Israel and its occupied territories to Nazi Germany may appear a ridiculous exaggeration, and if a non-Jew makes this comparison, he is instantly dismissed as anti-Semitic; but if leading Jewish figures do so, they ought to be listened to. When a society has wrapped itself in layers of tendentious self-justification, it takes insiders to pull back the shroud.
Consider the case of Amiram Levin, the former head of the Israel Defense Forces' Northern Command. Speaking recently to Israel's public broadcasting station about the situation in the West Bank, he contends that "there hasn't been a democracy there in 57 years, there is total apartheid. … the IDF, which is forced to exert sovereignty there, is rotting from the inside. It's standing by, looking at the settler rioters and is beginning to be a partner to war crimes.
When asked to elaborate, Levin invoked Nazi Germany: "It's hard for us to say it, but it's the truth. Walk around Hebron, look at the streets. Streets where Arabs are no longer allowed to go on, only Jews. That's exactly what happened there, in that dark country."
That a retired IDF general could come to such a conclusion attests not only to his extraordinary ethical stance, but also to just how bad things have gotten there. But as long as there are Israelis like Levin, there is hope, because it is only with the solidarity and support of people like him that the West Bank Palestinians have a chance.
In both Russia and Israel today, the social pact is fracturing under the weight of colonialism and fundamental disagreements about foundational principles. These conditions lend themselves to increasingly absurd and extreme forms of rationalisation. But just because you can come up with a reason for doing something does not mean that you should do it. When societies fragment, resisting wrong reasons often requires more strength than following right reasons.
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Saturday, May 18, 2024
Inter-Cultural Jouissance Run Amuck
Slavoj Zizek, "In Russia and Israel, national derangement runs wild." (9/4/23)
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What a slowpoke that zizek.
They talk about it for 10(TEN) years already.
As well as multitude other things (like that Ukrainians are Nazis)
Yawn.
\\Of course, this mixture of homophobia, fake history, and Marvel comic-inspired ideas of super-soldiers indicates that Markov
Marvel, wut??? :-)))))
Did you watched that movie about russian recruits? It mentioned there.
And pretty much it was that source for that Markov... and to the public he talk with too.
MUCH before that Mar-Vels ;-PPP
One should not underestimate the complexity and persistence of different “ways of life,” and here psychoanalysis can be of some help. Which is the factor that renders different cultures (or, rather, ways of life in the rich texture of their daily practices) incompatible? What is the obstacle that prevents their fusion or, at least, their harmoniously indifferent co-existence?
The psychoanalytic answer is: jouissance. It is not only that different modes of jouissance are incongruous with each other without a common measure; the Other’s jouissance is insupportable for us because (and insofar as) we cannot find a proper way to relate to our own jouissance.
\\One should not underestimate the complexity and persistence of different “ways of life,” and here psychoanalysis can be of some help.
To underestimate with easy? ;-P
\\What is the obstacle that prevents their fusion or, at least, their harmoniously indifferent co-existence?
Biology.
In-specie concurrence is much bigger than inter-specie.
Ain't it obvious -- eating SAME food, sharing SAME space.
\\the Other’s jouissance is insupportable for us because (and insofar as) we cannot find a proper way to relate to our own jouissance.
BS.
The more we differ, the more easily for us to form complimentary... eeehm, systems? (man-woman, consumer-producent, writer-reader, sportsman-fan... and etc)
That is our SIMILARITIES... that work against us.
criminal-law enforcement... murderer-victim @@
russia-ukraine
Yeah... why not?
C'est... la vi.
Well... that's what USSR... was.
\\russia-ukraine
Only from POV of Antipode. ;-P
Which seeing everything upside down.
the Other’s jouissance is insupportable for us because (and insofar as) we cannot find a proper way to relate to our own jouissance.
Yeah... if we trying with all might to NOT do that. ;-P
PS What you are scared off??? ;-P
Everything in the world becoming "the same". Not having the option to be/live differently.
"Wanna be happy... be one".(c) ;-P
:P
To find something NEW... it's a BIG task.
Part of that seeking of Freedom. ;-)
But... most of us tend to come to understanding of it too late.
Yawn.
\\ Little Boxes by Pete Seeger
Making my point for me? ;-P
Posted another Seeger favorite.
He was of the pre-"Dylan going electric" generation of folk-communists. A kafka-esque 'Josephine the Singer, or the Mouse Folk"
Communism... it's just traditional society culture. ;-P
In the USA, it burrowed into folk culture like a deer tick. It was also very Left-bank chic in urban centers. Ooh-lal-LA!
Remember the "beat" generation?
\\Remember the "beat" generation?
How can I? %-))))))
You're not in your 60's/ 70s? You're not a film buff? How old are you?
When we lived in Spain, even my dad (military) used to wear one of those "On the Road" Kerouac Beatnik beanies on his head at parties... it was "quite the fad". @@
by '59-'62.
@@
....cringe!
\\You're not in your 60's/ 70s? You're not a film buff? How old are you?
Do you think in USSR we have had access to all the same movies as you in USA??? %-)))
Or... you still secretly thinking that I am not foreigner???
And well... do I look that old??? (shy)
I'd imagine that Hays Code era classics of Hollywood are readily available in the former USSR.
I only know one thing. You're not nearly as old as me.
These are the cartoons I grew up with (anti-Soviet propaganda).
:P
\\I'd imagine that Hays Code era classics of Hollywood are readily available in the former USSR.
In a video shops? On video tapes? In cinemas??? :-)))))))
Yeah. Just a bunch of stuff... like "some like it hot", or something.
After censure haevily investigate it for "kramola". ;-P
To show "see, what EVIL we protect you from: criminals, pornography, moral derangement". :-)))))))))))))))))
\\I only know one thing. You're not nearly as old as me.
Yeah. Puny millennial. Sorry.
Never though that that is any problem.
btw, for me it was always easier to communicate with elder.
\\These are the cartoons I grew up with (anti-Soviet propaganda).
Saw it. On TV. In 90th, obviously.
Dunno how it is anti-Soviet propaganda??? @@
Derpy in Army??? %-)))))))))))))))
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Boris Badinoff and Natasha were Russian Spies (Bullwinkle Show), that's how it was anti-Soviet propaganda. They were always trying to ruin the dumb Americans, who prevailed out of shear and stupid luck.
And Derpy would have tried firing it. He would have just thrown it out the window at the outset.
\\Boris Badinoff and Natasha were Russian Spies (Bullwinkle Show), that's how it was anti-Soviet propaganda.
Ah? Yawn. So that is the roots of your Antipode's Syndrome.
And here is how soviet propagnada depicted USA... https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/12iie0h/animated_soviet_propaganda_american_imperialist/?rdt=41468
And Google gives pretty correct set through images search to query "americans in soviet propaganda cartoons"
Like this
Or this
Well... I think enough, to have a gist. Or... you can explore it yourself for more.
Yawn.
PS And that baffling... how your modern assessment of it... so similar to that cartoons. ;-P
That... pretty much ALL... what could be known over here... about over there. In times of Cold War.
Yawn.
Well... there was also some boring piles with boring statistics (in which USSR ALWAYS was beating USA in everything, of course... except for budgets on weapon ;-P) and ideologic texts. Nobody would be interested to read -- so there was a need to make it boring chore, especially in university, to do so.
.and your "Moscow delenda est" is much more nuanced. LOL!
Dunno.
That's puzzling.
How it relates???
Like I ever was spelling something like that???
Oh... I only DUNNO why USA are so enamored... with such an open and brazen enemy????
Masochism? ;-P
Or just too much belief if "fair play"? ;-P
Or... that is just having no experience of bitter defeat?
It comes from a perspective of having "power", and not, therefore, intimidated by a rivals "capabilities". We can return whatever destruction our enemies intend upon us, with "interest".
Only the "weak" are "spiteful".
See 'Dervy's" position with more 'clarity' now?
Lure an enemy towards an "uncanny" qua object, and attack from an unexpected or unseen position or unanticipated manner.
"Know you enemy as yourself, victory is assured" -Sun Tzu
Which is the more perfidious?
Which "monarch" would YOU attack?
;p
\\"Know you enemy as yourself, victory is assured" -Sun Tzu
Yeah... and USA looks totally opposite to that.
\\ We can return whatever destruction our enemies intend upon us, with "interest".
Even to poisons and daggers???
\\See 'Dervy's" position with more 'clarity' now?
Should I care about cretin's position?
Yawn???
\\Which is the more perfidious?
Do you think I'm technologist of power? ;-P
If your NOT one, THAT should become your aim.
Nietzsche was. Foucault was. Zizek is. Han is.
Pft!
What for???
Do you think miserly me have ANY chance to gaining even some minuscule power???
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Lem... was.
\\Nietzsche was. Foucault was. Zizek is. Han is.
Yawn.
And??? ""How many battalions have Pope of Rome""(c) ;-P
Did Lem ever become a king? It's about not becoming this guy, the one with the foot on his throat.
\\Lem... was.
????
Well... his works was translated pretty widely.
But I... have not found even one person to discuss him with.
So???
The Pope has been here for nearly 2,000 years. Do you think he needs an army to survive another 2,000?
\\Did Lem ever become a king?
You... have read too few of Lem.
Yawn.
It's about "persistence", not always "victory".
"And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?" - Archilochus
\\The Pope has been here for nearly 2,000 years. Do you think he needs an army to survive another 2,000?
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
PornHub will exist for more. ;-P
Or... do you propose for Pope of Rome to buy Pornhub? ;-P
Victory implies an "end"... but its' the struggle that is eternal.
\\It's about "persistence", not always "victory".
Not for such ephemeral things as humans.
Yawn.
Pope of Rome to buy Pornhub?
He's too interested in molesting young choirboys.
Who better to "break rules" than the "ruler"?
\\Victory implies an "end"... but its' the struggle that is eternal.
Wise man... do not fight. ;-)
\\Who better to "break rules" than the "ruler"?
Yap.
What is the interest in gaining power... if not possibility to indulge yourself in it? ;-P
That's why feeble minds so enamored in power. ;-)
\\He's too interested in molesting young choirboys.
Means? He just a client? ;-P
Wise man... do not fight
...not in any traditional or anticipated way.
Means? He just a client? ;-P
We all aren't. The USIC has a list of every porn film you've ever watched, and can prbably predict with perfect accuracy the moment of each of your nightly orgasms.
I prefer XXX.com ;)
\\...not in any traditional or anticipated way.
YAP!
With mastering TECHNOLOGY!
With mastering its' invention AND use.
Yap... that's the plan! B-)
Then.
Coda?
I was thinking about adding one or two tiers...
Or... better more funny.
A SuperEYE. ;-)
You surely know how modern telescopes work, isn't it? They are not a bulk of glass anymore -- they split in sectors, under which correction mechanisms situated -- that work not just for production err corrections, but even corrections from atmosphere fluctuations.
But... isn't it'd be good to have not thousands... but millions, and billions of such correction mechanisms.
Ans dish... size of kilometers? ;-)
Situated not on Earth, of course... but spread beyond Koiper's Belt.
Imagine what pictures could be achieved with such things? ;-)
Holographic pictures of distant galaxies??? Look into depth of BB. ;-P
And things like -- images of close star systems, in all details -- will not be impossible to imagine having.
Yes, that would satiate the scopophilia of many NASA astrophysicists, just as gold or platinum crack pipes would satisfy the cravings of many crack-cocaine addicts. I'm sure that the "average Joe" would probably approve, provided they could use the telescopes during the day to point them back at Earth's beaches and nudist colonies for a little surreptitious oogling and spying on neighbors and relatives.
I myself used to marvel at JWST as it sat in clean rooms and test chambers. The segmented mirrors were pretty impressive.
When I was working at GSFC, I used to marvel at the amount of "welfare for scientists" America used to spend. They also worked very hard to find "other practical alternate uses" for the inventions and innovations they had discovered (like "velcro" or "mylar") that lead us into our current "Information Age".
Silicon Valley had a bevy of companies circling NASA Ames Research Center at Moffet Field NAS. My dad even worked at the USAF Satellite Test Center (STC) when we lived in San Jose '63-66. I got my Masters in some trailers just outside the STC main building.
Yes, the Space Race was good for innovation. Thank G_d for Sputnik.
:P
:)
\\Yes, the Space Race was good for innovation. Thank G_d for Sputnik.
So??? Who feeling vibe of it, today? Bi-den??? :-))))))))))))))))))))))
Well... as one who was able to see it from different POVs.
There really are antagonism -- between "scientists" and "technologists".
Because "scientists" they teaching that only NEW results are important.
While for "technologists"... that is kinda blasphemy -- search among already available need to be performed first.
So... it's hard for such a two different cultures to give fruits.
Like grape wines... to make to produce bananas. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Bananas Foster?
Can it grow by itself??? %-)))
Today? Or in the Future? ;)
The 'future" has been foreclosed by our degenerate Government leaders. We're trapped in the perpetual present, preserving the markets for corporate donors and living in an endless nostaligic 2020 re-boot.
So???
War.
Or NEW Tech.
Or... BOTH. ;-P
Hope lies on the horizon, then! As for the new tech, hope you have a good patent lawyer to protect your IP.
Unlike China, America doesn't do Shanzhai very well. :(
\\ As for the new tech, hope you have a good patent lawyer to protect your IP.
As they (was) saying in Bell Labs: "we have BEST protection to our IP -- our concurrents think that we are crazy". ;-P
\\Unlike China, America doesn't do Shanzhai very well. :(
Do China have society of amateur in: radio communication, electronics, programming and etc-etc-etc.
China -- parasiting on YOUR openness.
Yawn.
Tier 0 -- an Ovo -- probe to other stars.
I think more and more, that it unavoidable. That practical proportion -- the smaller size of a probe (an Ovo), PLUS its ability to put in use local resources -- the bigger number of em can be launched and/or less resource to launch.
And you know -- that only big numbers is viable as risk reduction measure.
What can propose big bulky ships????
Even with "warp drive".
To send a probe... with a close to light speed... and then wait for some tiny feedback... years and years after that -- till here'd be NO ONE who'd care about it???
Or... spaceship with versatile and courageous crew... what would they do, if very rare but very crucial, though "ought not to fail"... will still fail???
Or... less dramatic -- just some not provisioned feature needed... but NOT present in Swiss Army knife set of basic tools???
And... what else, then years and years of way back... to return to Eearth, where everybody forgot about em???
What else... Generation ship??? With whole small tribe -- to settle on distant planet???
Well... yeah.
So...
Only important issue I see -- such Ovo need Galaxy GPS system.
Because???
It need VERY PRECISE direction.
Because... of course, having own equipment to measure one's position in space...
well, what could it be???
As we know from astronomy -- the most basic way of measuring one's position in Space -- it's triangulation.
With measuring parallax against distant stars.
And that... cannot be measured within SINGLE ship.
Since.
Tier 1 -- Galactic GPS.
That is big. Yes.
It would need to send in all directions BIG lumps of matter. Like comets and asteroid.
To provide matter for production Ovos... of pre-Tier0 versions.
To produce Galactic GPS, base stations, space telescopes... whatever.
Big??? Big.
But is it impossible?
It need mastering "close to speed of life space-ferring"...
Thing is... and is it not obvious -- my pragmatic observation.
That absolutely SAME kind of problems... as in flying INSIDE Solar System.
Since.
Tier 2 -- Solar System GPS.
To send probes to other stars -- IMPOSSIBLE???!!!
But sending probes inside our solar system... we do that for decades already.
Only.
On very little scale.
As there is not Solar System GPS. No base stations. And most important -- ability to utilize local resources.
Because?
We lacking proves to launch big amount of mass into space.
And under "big amounts" I mean not millions of tons... miserly thousands of tons.
Here -- https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/23696/how-many-rockets-have-been-launched-into-space-roughly-of-course
They say there was around 5000 orbital ones. Let's round it to 10.000.
With how much payload???
I think 10 ton would be grossly overestimation.
So... 100.000 tons.
With price like 10.000$ per kg.
That'll be, that'll be... 10 billions per each thousand ton...
Impractical.
Since.
Tier 3 -- before trying to utilize resources up there, in Space.
Idea is to start utilizing resources INSIDE our oceans first.
Resources... we barely scratched surface of the reaches there. On the shelf.
And that resources -- can be, and must be -- used for building mega-structures.
Like... how big of a things we can build???
Burge Khalifa cost???
But... it was build one small thing in time.
$1.5 billion for a 500.000 tons of dead weight.
"55,000 tonnes (121,000,000 pounds) of steel rebar was used in the construction of the tower."
What a waste.
Sorry, I think you've exceeded my 2nd order cognitive boundary. :(
Every creature thus has a “cognitive boundary”—which can be represented in the form of a light cone within space and time that demarcates the edge of what it can care about (not the first-order boundary of what it can sense and affect, but the second-order boundary demarcating the scale of its possible goals).
Can I interest you in a GRB sensor from one of my old missions to help you build an Ovo navigational system?
Thank you for politeness.
And sorry for my tediousness (shy).
I'm novice in it. And dunno when to stop.
I was feeling it myself that my this story (but not idea itself) is lacking...
but decided to proceed. Sorry. :-(
\\Can I interest you in a GRB sensor from one of my old missions to help you build an Ovo navigational system?
What I tried to point at -- it's multi-variety of possible choices.
Like... when you playing chess -- starting position is simple (not in flikering chess) and always the same -- but with each choice, it takes this or that form.
But for purposes stated... I feel it lacking.
We are living in relativistic universe -- so what much info would provide to you -- knowing your position in relation to some enigmatic distant neutron star???
And not some star base/space port you really crave to meet with ASAP?
Means... there is a gap. Natural gap.
We all was living in pre-GPS times.
Where we could navigate through life in two very different modes.
Local navigation -- when your are in close withinity. Basicaly, in clear sight.
Or... looking to your goal target through map. Or even some indirect clues.
Well... there was naval navigation -- with compass and by stars. But, frankly, few people ever mastered it.
But now... look how ubiquitous it became. ;-)
We are living in relativistic universe -- so what much info would provide to you -- knowing your position in relation to some enigmatic distant neutron star???
One? Nothing. Four? A "relatively" accurate 3D position in Space comparable to ones taken from Earth to point Lasercom back to.
...a position from within a tetrahedron.
\\ A "relatively" accurate 3D position in Space comparable to ones taken from Earth to point Lasercom back to.
Yeah?
And what it'll say to you about position of your peers?
About 'winds' and 'currents'?
Why naval ship capitan still need pilots?
Why pilots of an aircraft still need tower dispatchers?
Well, what I meant for Tier 3 -- it's space lift.
And with our current techs... it mean to make it out of metal.
As for that Burg Khalifa, it'll be, let's assume 500 millions$ for 50.000 tons of steel rebar -- 10.000$ per ton?
So... only viable idea -- to use highest mountains -- Andes and Himalayas to base space lift infrastructure there.
To make a rail guns launch???
And what'll be size of individual capsule with payload? 1 ton?
Mere 100 kg would be wasteful. What it'll be good for -- to launch some miserly cubesats????
10 tons? But what MASSIVE infrastructure it would be needed for that????
Millions of tons... with 10.000$ per ton.
Well, actually, MUCH higher. As Burg Khalifa situated in relative accessible place. Where all material easily deliverable. And conditions well enough for building.
High grounds of biggest mountains... that's easily 10x it.
And what about security and energy and other subsequental engineering troubles???
That without millions of workers needed. Political problems.
Naaah. Never gonna happen.
And in contrast.
My idea with making it with help of soft-bodied robots.
That can be deployed in ocean. Use local materials (that millions tons of plastic that already floats there). To make soft-bodied constructions. Balloons. Without human workers involvement. And that... that need to send into space not tons of metal. But... kilograms, dozens of kilograms of proto-Ovos -- as building material and as basic constructions.
"Why naval ship capitan still need pilots?"
Not US Navy Captains in US ports. They come and go as they please. I did an ACDUTRA in Puget Sound in the early 80s. The Captain knew I was an Engineer, not a Deckie, and he threatened to make me con the ship on the way out of Bremerton, but a submarine was parked immediately behind us on the pier and he was afraid that I couldn't see enough of her, so he gave me a pass. Once we were at the WSAT range, he turned the con over to me.
The ship...
Sounds like a program that the Greenies could definitely get behind. You should pitch it to Greenpeace of one of those Ocean Cleanup organizations. The ide of sending the plastics off-world would definitely give them all hard ons.
\\Not US Navy Captains in US ports.
Yawn.
You are blessed with perfect non-freezing ports. As well as with many other things.
Big news... naaaah.
\\The ship...
Good girl.
\\Sounds like a program that the Greenies could definitely get behind. You should pitch it to Greenpeace of one of those Ocean Cleanup organizations. The ide of sending the plastics off-world would definitely give them all hard ons.
Pft!
The problem with your idea is that you expect to Navigate by GPS alone. No other sensors. I don't need to know my 'peers" precise GPS coordinates because I can see him myself. Why do Ukrainian drones have cameras and not just GPS receivers?
It's also funny to talk of Earthly megastructres given the Eco-suicide Left. You'd have to build it using solar cells and wind-power. Good luck with waiting for your batteries to recharge instead of harnessing nuclear power.
\\ The problem with your idea is that you expect to Navigate by GPS alone. No other sensors.
???
I just pointed that ANY OTHER sensors -- will not give comparable precision. Under given size limits.
Everything else -- are tradeoffs.
\\Why do Ukrainian drones have cameras and not just GPS receivers?
Because "peers"... do not share info about their whereabouts, naturally. ;-P
Quite contrary -- they trying to hide.
\\Good luck with waiting for your batteries to recharge instead of harnessing nuclear power.
There is lots of plants... and NO animals with nuclear reactors. ;-P
Lindy! ;-)
There is lots of plants... and NO animals with nuclear reactors.
...and where would they be without the nuclear furnace (Sun) in the sky creating a "Goldilocks zone"? Lindy. ;p
...and why would your Ovo's be trying to "hide"? Launch a swarm with a few "navigational" variants and RF sqwuak their positions/ courses amongst the swarm? Different sensors on different Ovos? Maybe even a local Swarm GPS.
\\...and where would they be without the nuclear furnace (Sun) in the sky creating a "Goldilocks zone"? Lindy. ;p
Dunno that argument.
\\...and why would your Ovo's be trying to "hide"? Launch a swarm with a few "navigational" variants and RF sqwuak their positions/ courses amongst the swarm? Different sensors on different Ovos? Maybe even a local Swarm GPS.
Go initiate start up.
Based on that idea. ;-)
/Dunno that argument."
Plato, "Republic" (Analogy of the Sun)
The sun provides not only the power of being seen for things seen, but, as I think you will agree, also their generation and growth and
nurture, although it is not itself generation...
Similarly with things known, you will agree that the good is not only the cause of their becoming known, but the cause that they are, the cause of their state of being, although the good is not itself a state of being but something transcending far beyond it in dignity and power. — The Republic VI (509b)[3]
translated by W. H. D. Rouse
As for the "...although it is not itself generation"... Plato said that "generation" was a product of 'opposites'.
...as for the Goldilocks zone...
\\/Dunno that argument."
\\Plato, "Republic" (Analogy of the Sun)
I mean... do your wheels in your car need to play part of being engines too? ;-)
Each part -- it's own role.
Sun -- is good where it is -- over there.
And plants are good where they are -- over here.
\\...as for the Goldilocks zone...
Equilibrium. Homeostasis. Feedback loop.
There many synonyms of it.
No, when you "divide" (Platonically/ dialectically) each part must contain elements of the whole or you've lost the subject of the dialectic.
As for "medicine"...
Plato, "Charmides"
, Charmides, I said, is the nature of the charm, which I learned when serving with the army from one of the physicians of the Thracian king Zamolxis, who are said to be so skilful that they can even give immortality. This Thracian told me that in these notions of theirs, which I was just now mentioning, the Greek physicians are quite right as far as they go; but Zamolxis, he added, our king, who is also a god, says further, 'that as you ought not to attempt to cure the eyes without the head, or the head without the body, so neither ought you to attempt to cure the body without the soul; and this,' he said, 'is the reason why the cure of many diseases is unknown to the physicians of Hellas, because they are ignorant of the whole, which ought to be studied also; for the part can never be well unless the whole is well.' For all good and evil, whether in the body or in human nature, originates, as he declared, in the soul, and overflows from thence, as if from the head into the eyes. And therefore if the head and body are to be well, you must begin by curing the soul; that is the first thing. And the cure, my dear youth, has to be effected by the use of certain charms, and these charms are fair words; and by them temperance is implanted in the soul, and where temperance is, there health is speedily imparted, not only to the head, but to the whole body. And he who taught me the cure and the charm at the same time added a special direction: 'Let no one,' he said, 'persuade you to cure the head, until he has first given you his soul to be cured by the charm. For this,' he said, 'is the great error of our day in the treatment of the human body, that physicians separate the soul from the body.' And he added with emphasis, at the same time making me swear to his words, 'Let no one, however rich, or noble, or fair, persuade you to give him the cure, without the charm.' Now I have sworn, and I must keep my oath, and therefore if you will allow me to apply the Thracian charm first to your soul, as the stranger directed, I will afterwards proceed to apply the cure to your head. But if not, I do not know what I am to do with you, my dear Charmides.
Critias, when he heard this, said: The headache will be an unexpected gain to my young relation, if the pain in his head compels him to improve his mind: and I can tell you, Socrates, that Charmides is not only pre-eminent in beauty among his equals, but also in that quality which is given by the charm; and this, as you say, is temperance?
Yes, I said.
Stop trying to be a "slave doctor" (Plato "Laws")
And did you ever observe that the gentlemen doctors practise upon freemen, and that slave doctors confine themselves to slaves? The latter go about the country or wait for the slaves at the dispensaries. They hold no parley with their patients about their diseases or the remedies of them; they practise by the rule of thumb, and give their decrees in the most arbitrary manner. When they have doctored one patient they run off to another, whom they treat with equal assurance, their duty being to relieve the master of the care of his sick slaves. But the other doctor, who practises on freemen, proceeds in quite a different way. He takes counsel with his patient and learns from him, and never does anything until he has persuaded him of what he is doing. He trusts to influence rather than force. Now is not the use of both methods far better than the use of either alone? And both together may be advantageously employed by us in legislation.
We may illustrate our proposal by an example. The laws relating to marriage naturally come first, and therefore we may begin with them. The simple law would be as follows:—A man shall marry between the ages of thirty and thirty-five; if he do not, he shall be fined or deprived of certain privileges. The double law would add the reason why: Forasmuch as man desires immortality, which he attains by the procreation of children, no one should deprive himself of his share in this good. He who obeys the law is blameless, but he who disobeys must not be a gainer by his celibacy; and therefore he shall pay a yearly fine, and shall not be allowed to receive honour from the young. That is an example of what I call the double law, which may enable us to judge how far the addition of persuasion to threats is desirable. 'Lacedaemonians in general, Stranger, are in favour of brevity; in this case, however, I prefer length. But Cleinias is the real lawgiver, and he ought to be first consulted.' 'Thank you, Megillus.' Whether words are to be many or few, is a foolish question:—the best and not the shortest forms are always to be approved. And legislators have never thought of the advantages which they might gain by using persuasion as well as force, but trust to force only. And I have something else to say about the matter. Here have we been from early dawn until noon, discoursing about laws, and all that we have been saying is only the preamble of the laws which we are about to give. I tell you this, because I want you to observe that songs and strains have all of them preludes, but that laws, though called by the same name (nomoi), have never any prelude. Now I am disposed to give preludes to laws, dividing them into two parts—one containing the despotic command, which I described under the image of the slave doctor—the other the persuasive part, which I term the preamble. The legislator should give preludes or preambles to his laws. 'That shall be the way in my colony.' I am glad that you agree with me; this is a matter which it is important to remember. A preamble is not always necessary to a law: the lawgiver must determine when it is needed, as the musician determines when there is to be a prelude to a song. 'Most true: and now, having a preamble, let us recommence our discourse.' Enough has been said of Gods and parents, and we may proceed to consider what relates to the citizens—their souls, bodies, properties,—their occupations and amusements; and so arrive at the nature of education.
\\No, when you "divide" (Platonically/ dialectically) each part must contain elements of the whole or you've lost the subject of the dialectic.
Do you think it have meaning... to me.
One who was raised on "dialectic this, dialectic that"... in tomes of USSR propaganda BS???
\\'that as you ought not to attempt to cure the eyes without the head, or the head without the body, so neither ought you to attempt to cure the body without the soul; and this,'
Ehm???
System Thinking?
...so don't just prescribe the "leaf". Cure the head/soul first.
Yes, "system" thinking.
...and dialectic is merely the "generation from opposites"
...opposites being "you" and "me".
\\Now is not the use of both methods far better than the use of either alone? And both together may be advantageously employed by us in legislation.
All question -- have you a plan, how to achieve it? ;-)
Plan that would take into consideration at least most important details and relations???
\\Forasmuch as man desires immortality, which he attains by the procreation of children, no one should deprive himself of his share in this good.
If his DNA not broken. ;-P
Oh... but they did not knew about DNA that time... (and what WE... still don't know... about Evolution At Large, for example? ;-))
Oh... I get it.
We'd do that voluntaristicly.
Assuming that what we dunno -- doesn't matter, isn't it?
Because "might makes right".
Because "everything is will to power".
;-P
\\Yes, "system" thinking.
Not sure that we on same page with meaning what system is.
For me... that is observable part... in between Sub-Systems and Meta-systems... on the current level of hierarchy of discussion.
Means -- it must be taken with keeping in mind both sides of that equation.
AND sub-systems. AND meta-system.
And better if under multi-faceted approach...
I mean.
Modern Math approach -- "shuddup and calculate". ;-)
Or... as programmer would say -- "show your code".
\\...and dialectic is merely the "generation from opposites"
Wisdoms of the past... tend to grow imprecise, and even outdated... with time.
I can buy it -- that in that ancient time "dialectic" was good viable approach to talk about complex things.
But...
Since that time -- many-many other methods was invented: cybernetics, modelling, programming...
So??? Why should I confine myself within that cryptic and esoteric vocabulary...
which not only not showed much of success.
But even -- was grossly discredited -- by kind of political crooks which used it to jusrify their right to rule -- I mean USSR "marxists".
Yawn.
What's so good in it?
Like... for real????
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
--Preamble to the United States Constitution
...and there we have the "soul"... the "spirit" of the US Constitution.
When the "laws" are no longer in accord with that Spirit, they may be violated.
...the Constitution isn't a mutual suicide pact (as many Democrats believe).
What is the "Ovo" preamble?
The intro to the original Star Trek? ;)
\\...so don't just prescribe the "leaf". Cure the head/soul first.
Is there anyone... who even just CARE to be such doctor???
Last such things I saw -- that was Strugatsky Brothers -- that asked for such...
Though -- they was UTTERLY UNABLE to provide even a hint -- it being possible.
What they was ABLE -- that is to depict MODERN RFia... nearly as flawlessly...
Like here
\\--Preamble to the United States Constitution
You still believe in written words... there???
\\When the "laws" are no longer in accord with that Spirit, they may be violated.
Congratulation on your barmitzvah USA. ;-)
\\...the Constitution isn't a mutual suicide pact (as many Democrats believe).
Whatever.
I cannot be a judge in your dispute.
\\What is the "Ovo" preamble?
4 billions of years of Evolution here on Third Rock from one of billions of meaningless stars?
\\The intro to the original Star Trek? ;)
Words from "Golem XIV": if I must chose one instrument... in place of needed orchestra -- I'd choose organum... even though it would make people to think of churches.
But... you forcing me to play orchestra piece... in garmonica??? :-)))))
/Last such things I saw -- that was Strugatsky Brothers -- that asked for such...
Though -- they was UTTERLY UNABLE to provide even a hint -- it being possible.
What they was ABLE -- that is to depict MODERN RFia... nearly as flawlessly...
Like here
Like here. You can't have a "Renaissance" or an "Enlightenment" in a location where people prefer to rely on the "subject supposed to know" (government ministry) as opposed to knowing themselves "gnothi seauton". Else you end up in an Idiocracy... or worse.
Traditional society.
When people dunno what ideal/whom to follow -- they falling back to old habits.
And that is TA-DAM -- traditional society "let wise chiftain/tribal shaman say to us all we need to know/need to do".
Yawn.
And that happens... because there is no NEW tech.
Yawn.
So what is the "meden agan" of tech? Is there one?
...cuz right now, I think we've exceeded it.
...it's time to b*tch slap Archimedes (for his all-too "Persian" nature).
Derived from the Greek elements ἀρχός (archos) meaning "master" and μήδεα (medea) meaning "plans, counsel, cunning". This was the name of a 3rd-century BC Greek mathematician, astronomer and inventor.
The Medes had a cunning nature.
Xenophon's Cyropedia was a blast. So was his later Anabasis, the inspiration for Alexander the Great.
...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
And "Open borders" do that, how?
\\So what is the "meden agan" of tech? Is there one?
Technology... it's a slave, a servant of two masters: Physics... and Human desires.
Do human practice "meden agan"... in respect to their desires? ;-P
\\...cuz right now, I think we've exceeded it.
China.
I do not remember it word to word. As well as provide reference to it.
But... I remember reading such story -- how two wisemen in Ancient China talking, while one of em arguing "people of old times(in HIS time) did not mangled with river beds, not dig channels... and was just fine".
But...
here it is.
Grand Canal (China)
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › G...
The Grand Canal is a system of interconnected canals linking various major rivers in North and East China, serving as an important waterborne transport ...
\\And "Open borders" do that, how?
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” This country's greatness and true genius lies in its diversity.
Who'd you be... without it? ;-P
Some Tumbuktu? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Do human practice "meden agan"... in respect to their desires? ;-P
So the practice of virtue isn't necessary. Good to know.
As for immigration, meden agan...
...None too much!
\\So the practice of virtue isn't necessary. Good to know.
What is virtue? ;-P
\\...None too much!
BS. There's TOO FEW of em.
You'd need for at least to double USA population -- to have any chance to trot turther. ;-P
Not interested to discuss philosophical question "what virtue is?"???
That is what "phylosoph" you are. ;-P
/What is virtue? ;-P
A practice that can't be taught.
Not interested to discuss philosophical question "what virtue is?"??
The road to Larissa isn't an easy one. It's not "truth". It's not "knowledge". And like a portrait of Dadaelus, if not nailed down, easily flies away.
\\A practice that can't be taught.
PRACTICE | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary
Cambridge Dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › ...
PRACTICE definition: 1. action rather than thought or ideas: 2. used to describe what really happens as opposed to what…. Learn more.
Yawn.
Tautology.
\\The road to Larissa isn't an easy one. It's not "truth". It's not "knowledge". And like a portrait of Dadaelus, if not nailed down, easily flies away.
So... you already in Kamar-Taj? ;-P
It seems... you just under wrong impression... that your struggles are unique.
While they just... lonely.
Medical education and medical practice, a tautology?
kamar taj isn't the internet?
And who can be lonely when surrounded by a billion AI bots?
\\Medical education and medical practice, a tautology?
In such narrow context...
\\And who can be lonely when surrounded by a billion AI bots?
Where???
Here.
Pft! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))00
I understand that computer to you might be something like magic box...
but, for me, who know some tidbits about how it works... it looks funny.
And I would ask for more... but hsrdly you'd be open enough to explain..
The USIC is 10 years ahead of the present in computer technology and use. Call me paraoid should you wish, but please, don't think me stupid.
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Technological progress in computers... stopped 10 years ago.
So... they can be whole 100 or even 1000 years ahead. ;-P
...and so you insult me. :(
I just cannot formulate theory of your mind -- which makes you say that "The USIC is 10 years ahead of the present".
We just NOT on the same page of Gell-Mann's newspaper.
Indeed. How many years did you spend in a SCIF in a basement of a DOD Contractor?
Computer techs defined by two main parameters (well, there more, but well...).
That is:
Moore's law
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › ...
Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years. Moore's law is an observation and ...
That define -- how COMPLEX that computers that we can build.
AND
A Turing machine is a mathematical model of computation describing an abstract machine that manipulates symbols on a strip of tape according to a table of rules. Despite the model's simplicity, it is capable of implementing any computer algorithm. A physical Turing machine model.
Turing machine - Wikipedia
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Turing_machine
Turing machine - Wikipedia
Department of Computer Science and Technology – Raspberry Pi ...
(by the way... you can buy such toy... or install such soft)
In BOTH... there was NO progress... in last 10 years.
And practicaly stagnant... in last 20-30 years.
So... for someone to be "10 years ahead"... that's, yeah.
That like to say that "secret services have sails EVEN MORE advanced then clippers". ;-P
\\Indeed. How many years did you spend in a SCIF in a basement of a DOD Contractor?
Here.
Inside the miracle of modern chip manufacturing
Financial Times
https://ig.ft.com › microchips
The current 3nm process has suffered from poor yield rates — the proportion of chips produced that can be sold to customers — and only marginal ...
So....
what your DOD wisdom tells you???
That there in some secret wirehouses of secret services...
they have 1 nm process???
Or what??? 0.1 nm? ;-P
0.01 nm? ;-P
0.1 to 0.5 nanometers
A typical atom is anywhere from 0.1 to 0.5 nanometers in diameter. DNA molecules are about 2.5 nanometers wide. Most proteins are about 10 nanometers wide, and a typical virus is about 100 nanometers wide. A bacterium is about 1000 nanometers.
Lesson 2: Scale of Objects Student Materials - NanoSense
sri.com
https://nanosense.sri.com › activities › sizeandscale
PDF
MEANS.
That is HARD limit.
NOBODY can make it better... under that same base.
With programming... everything is much more sad.
How many? Too many.
And as every woman will tell you, it's not how big your tool is that matters as much as how you use it.
Turing machine
As it seems... it's IMPOSSIBLE to improve.
One can fool oneself... but cannot fool Universe.
\\How many? Too many.
I am not even equipped with anything I can challenge your experience with...
WUT??? How it can be compared with several years as off-shore programmer???
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I would need to be Derpy... to accomplish something like that.
But... I am not. :-(((
I can't even program my stove to bake a TV Dinner... but I do know what's possible.
Oh, so you know is P=NP? ;-)
Well.
What is recurring theme in that my tiers?
It's about engineering most basic question "how to accomplish MORE... with LESS". ;-)
To workaround wordly physical limitations.
To make damn thing work. ;-)
That's all.
But... somehow, you don't want it.
You want resources and power -- amassed?
Yawn.
Then, you are just one nonredeemable infested with BUREAUCRACY virus. ;-P
Because, that is what bureaucracy make people want -- amass power and resources.
While inability to put em into use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95LAL ;-P
And.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36H ;-P
You don't go into mass production with an untested prototype. Like lasercomm, you need to test the hell out of it.
The Tupolev bureau, knowing the complexity of the task assigned to them, estimated that it would be two decades before the program could produce a working prototype. They assumed that the first operational nuclear-assisted airplane could take to the air in the late 1970s or early 1980s. In order to gain experience with operational problems, they proposed building a flying testbed as soon as possible, mounting a small reactor in a Tupolev Tu-95M to create the Tu-95LA
Yep.
And that mean -- that prototypes need to be cheap as dirt, isn't it? ;-)
Well... mass-production... is outdated concept. ;-)
\\In order to gain experience with operational problems, they proposed building a flying testbed as soon as possible, mounting a small reactor in a Tupolev Tu-95M to create the Tu-95LA
One simple problem... airplanes -- have tendency to fall.
NO amount of prototyping can fix that. ;-P
So... first -- one need to anticipate an atomic dirty bomb flying over one's head every day.
Well... Russia, CAN afford it.
You know, Siberia.
And null cost of human life.
Yawn.
So???
What's your opinion on? ;-)
\\Oh, so you know is P=NP? ;-)
Mass-production won WWII. We used to launch a Destroyer Escort a day at BethShip in WWII. Same with Liberty ships. Know how many aircraft carriers we had at Okinawa?
Okinawa is the largest of the Ryukyus Islands located about 350-miles south of the Japanese home islands. The island was to be the Allied launch platform for Operation Downfall- the ultimate invasion of Japan. On April 1, 1945, US forces landed on the southwest shore of Okinawa and a three-month battle ensued. By battle's end, the United States lost nearly 13-thousand personnel dead or missing. Nearly 5,000 US Navy sailors were killed when the Japanese employed their last-ditch naval warfare weapon, the kamikaze.
The invasion was supported by a fleet consisting of 18 battleships, 27 cruisers, 177 destroyers/destroyer escorts, 39 aircraft carriers (11 fleet carriers, 6 light carriers and 22 escort carriers) and various support and troop transport ships.
The unit cost dives in mass production.
/You never read about the "pin problem" in Adam Smith's WoN (1776)?
so much for "outdated concepts". Capitalism must be an "outdated concept", eh?
So P=NP isn't MY problem. NMP.
I have no desire to automate (mass produce) mathematical proofs.
\\Mass-production won WWII.
Yep. Old spears VS New spears. ;-P
\\The unit cost dives in mass production.
Yep. If there is suitable technology. ;-)
\\so much for "outdated concepts". Capitalism must be an "outdated concept", eh?
Why not? Time tells no lies. ;-)
\\So P=NP isn't MY problem. NMP.
You just know not enough trivia. Yawn.
\\I have no desire to automate (mass produce) mathematical proofs.
Well... like you'd do it old good way...
Yep. If there is suitable technology.
...like the division of labour. @@
\\...like the division of labour. @@
Outdated.
Yawn.
Well... that is you are one who prozeliting here "small self-sufficient burgeous" and "anti-globalism"... which is just opposing to a division of labor.
Yawn.
So what??? You dismiss your earlier claims? And turning bona fide PRO capitalism, globalism and new techs? ;-)
It's time for Toffler's 3rd Wave. And the division of labour is very much a part of it, since the 'surplus value" of THAT labour will then be divided to the distributed labour centers that produce it instead of exclusively to the wholesaler of its' final product.
Yawn.
There is ONLY ONE truth about prophessing of the Future -- nobody know what it'll be. ;-P
No onw wants to know, for then we'd have to change, and those in power have too much to lose.
That's... of no importance...
Because... we cannot NOT change.
That thing -- changes, imposed on us.
Means... it's O.K. to be in fear of changes.
But it same time utterly foolish to try to avoid em.
What a resource I found. ;-)
https://russianforces.org/blog/2012/10/very_modest_expectations_sovie.shtml
Yeah, Nike wasn't much of a defense, either.
In 1976, after this film was made, the Sentinel/Safeguard systems were scrapped due to low usefulness and high costs. In 1980, President Reagan pushed the SDI, or "Star Wars" system. SDI became the Missile Defense Agency in 2002, and the agency still has not abandoned Reagan's dream of a powerful defensive net.
Oh... maybe THEY are ones who open to NEW tech idea? ;-P
No doubt they could use some.
Something like probe to other stars? ;-)
If they weren't forced to retool for weapons production, possibly.
Everything can be used as weapon.
Weapon it's not about tool... but about intention.
So what do you know of US intentions. Do you care?
There once was an old Zen farmer. Every day, the farmer used his horse to help work his fields and keep his farm healthy.
But one day, the horse ran away. All the villagers came by and said, “We're so sorry to hear this. This is such bad luck.”
But the farmer responded, “Bad luck. Good luck. Who knows?”
The villagers were confused, but decided to ignore him. A few weeks went by and then one afternoon, while the farmer was working outside, he looked up and saw his horse running toward him. But the horse was not alone. The horse was returning to him with a whole herd of horses. So now the farmer had 10 horses to help work his fields.
All the villagers came by to congratulate the farmer and said, “Wow! This is such good luck!”
But the farmer responded, “Good luck. Bad luck. Who knows?
A few weeks later, the farmer's son came over to visit and help his father work on the farm. While trying to tame one of the horses, the farmer’s son fell and broke his leg.
The villagers came by to commiserate and said, “How awful. This is such bad luck.”
Just as he did the first time, the farmer responded, “Bad luck. Good luck. Who knows?”
A month later, the farmer’s son was still recovering. He wasn’t able to walk or do any manual labor to help his father around the farm.
A regiment of the army came marching through town conscripting every able-bodied young man to join them. When the regiment came to the farmer’s house and saw the young boy's broken leg, they marched past and left him where he lay.
Of course, all the villagers came by and said, “Amazing! This is such good luck. You're so fortunate.”
And you know the farmer’s response by now…
"Bad luck. Good luck. Who knows?"
Only one thing is for sure -- if I'd take part in it -- *I* could influence it.
If I didn't -- I wouldn't.
That's like in that scrubs joke -- "sex it's hereditary disease -- means, if your paretns didn't do sex -- you most likely will not be too". ;-P
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