Saturday, January 20, 2024

Another Long Listen - Zizek

Excerpt from above video:
To become free you have to be forced to be free, and this for this you need a figure of the master. But it's a paradoxical Master. It's not an oppressive master who tells you what you want. and so on. It's a master whose message to you is just, "you can do it, you are not just limited to what you are," and so on, and so on. "You can do more," and I refer here to your very naive everyday experience, this master can be a good friend, a good teacher. Isn't it that when you are in crisis, you know you should do something, you don't "not have the strength," and so on, and so on. A true Master figure, a friend, a teacher, whatever. His message to you is just a very naive one, "I know that you can do it" and he even doesn't have to know. What the point that Frank Ruda now makes here is, again, a subtle one. It's not only that if I'm left to myself in a (Plato's) cave. Even when I'm without chains, I prefer to stay there so that a master has to force me out. The situation is much more subtle. I have to... I know The Madness of this formula... I have to volunteer to be forced out, similar to psychoanalysis. 
And this is the genius of Ruda. He draws a parallel with a psychotic situation, where basically you volunteer here to abdicate your conscious ego, autonomy. But you must be a volunteer. You must volunteer to accept analyses as, of course, a very specific form of master. So here I have another quote from Frank Ruda, a question arises at precisely this point from using the reference to the master in psychoanalytic terms. Does this mean that those who need a master are always already in the position of an analysand-patient, if politically, such a master is needed to for us to become what we are, to use Nietzsche's formula, and this can be structurally linked to liberating The Prisoner from the cave. To force him out after the chains are broken and he still does not want to leave. The question arises, how to link this with the idea that the patient-analysand who demands psycho analysis treatment has to be a volunteer and not simply slave or bondsman. I mean why am I mentioning this example? So that you see I'm not involved in abstract um paradoxes this happens precisely in a psychoanalytic situation.
Antagonism
^^Wind River (ending)^^
What is Repressed in the Content, Returns in the Form
When you have some more fundamental anxiety (like of catching STDs), which is then sublimated into, embodied in this fear. So again, the fundamental lesson of "It Follows", the movie, it's a very nice one, is that: one and one is never two. There is always some excess, which can be "It", which can be some supplement in the sexual relationship. It can be the threat of another partner. It can be simply another's gaze. I think I already mentioned to you the last time I was here, but it's such a dirty story that I cannot resist to repeat it. You know, if you look at the most vulgar, and I don't... I was just told about it, hardcore pornography, how, I was looking for a paradigmatic scene in it, and I think I found it, it's no... I'm ashamed to draw it, but the position is this one. Woman is lying on her back with of course legs spread out, high, and the guy is screwing her. But they must put such a lot of effort into it because from the position of the camera, it's absolutely crucial, that, like you see you see the legs. You see here penetration. But between her legs, always, that's crucial, in the background you see her face... looking into the camera, Breaking All the (4th wall) Rules of a proper fiction movie, you should never look into the camera. And this tells us a lot. I don't justify pornography, I'm against pornography, prostitution, and so on. I'm just saying that the standard feminist doxa, according to which, in pornography, woman is objectified, it's not true (and this doesn't make it any better). You can be subjectified in a way which is much more humiliating than being objectified. Because, so you see it, the thing itself, blah blah, the Stupid action. But if you see just that, it would become a medical case, you know, and it wouldn't be attractive. You have to see at the same time, her face, I will not go into those gestures, but you know, for this you should raise my salary if you want to include into performance this, you know that, Fascinate. So you see how even here, what this Gaze looking at whom, at the viewer, this means that I, as a spectator, am the pure object 'a, it's me. It's one and one, the guy screwing the girl, lady, and me. my Gaze. Without that, it doesn't function. So if anything, I made this point often here, the one who is truly objectified is the guy. Usually, in most of the hardcore movies that my friends picked up for me, with this case, you don't even see the guy's face. Nobody cares about that. Usually, he approaches from behind, and just, you know, you because, of course he does his duty, you see ejaculation. No, so, okay, that's enough. We don't want your stupid face, and so on. So, but what I'm thinking is that this is a very simple example of 1 + 1 is not simply two. But it's plus a small something that is added to it.
Double Suture/ Cross-Cap Duality: Objectivity (Yin) with a touch of Subjectivity (Yang) to create "Reality" (+).    For subjectivity, you need a Klein bottle.

93 comments:

  1. Learned helplessness? ;-)

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  2. btw - pShaw is blocking all my comments now. I think I've gotten under her skin. ;)

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  3. \\btw - pShaw is blocking all my comments now. I think I've gotten under her skin. ;)

    Sorry... that could be me :-(((( I spammed here lately -- you know that CNN made some propaganda flik -- where young female telling here sad story about here friend -- also female and hostage of HAMAS (DEMNs trying to U-turn their previous narrative... as it was with "ukrainian nazis")

    Well, anyway... not a big problem.

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  4. They like that narrative -- how MAGAturds propaganda made reps complete idiots...

    but they unable ti grasp -- that DEMN propaganda made em idiot BEFORE that.

    Much much before.

    All what dRump did -- just decided to make use of DEMN methods... that's why they so pissed in dRump. ;-P

    While even DUNNO why. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    That same feeling religious dogmatists have -- in presence of some successful competitive heretical sect. ;-P

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  5. I'm beginning to think that the whole (D) post-2020 election "anti-Trump" narrative was to force the (R)s to run Trump so that they could do the Biden for Michelle Obama bait-and-switch in the 2024 election... :(

    They plan ahead... :(

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  6. Of course... you thought that it was spontaneous decision???

    Like with postponing all that "91 trials in court which show dRump is most nastiest person in the Whole World"???

    You still not learn that word "political technology"???

    Even though you bragged about reading "Il Principe".

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  7. By now it obvious -- they KNEW that they have NO "smoking gun" evidences against Trump.

    So they decided to make use of it -- to stumble his campaign instead.

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  8. Sorry. I usually start with caritas... although I should I learned better by now... :(

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  9. Have same problem... thinking too good about people.

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  10. PT Barnum quotes:

    “To forgive heals the wound, to forget heals the scar.”

    “The best kind of charity is to help those who are willing to help themselves. Promiscuous almsgiving, without inquiring into the worthiness of the applicant, is bad in every sense. But to search out and quietly assist those who are struggling for themselves, is the kind that “scattereth and yet increaseth.”

    “More persons, on the whole, are humbugged by believing in nothing, than by believing too much.”

    “The greatest humbug of all is the man who believes – or pretends to believe – that everything and everybody are humbugs.”

    “The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.”

    “You can fool most of the people most of the time.”

    “Advertising is to a genuine article what manure is to land, – it largely increases the product.”

    "The public very properly shun all whose integrity is doubted. No matter how polite and pleasant and accommodating a man may be, none of us dare to deal with him if we suspect “false weights and measures.”

    “I will loose my camel, and trust it to God!” “No, no, not so,” said the prophet, “tie thy camel, and trust it to God!”

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  11. How do you like that pShaw's NewSpeak moronity with "A fact its information..."??? ;-)

    I even dunno what to say there...

    "Ignorance it's Opinion minus Information... which, by given definition leaves Experience"

    Yeah -- People WITH experience, which allow em to discern Facts from Fakes -- is Ignorant Fools... by that NewSpeak definition.

    Ignorance -- it's Strength!!! (c) "1984"

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  12. Hah...

    They citing it, but still think that it not about them. ;-P


    Blogger Dave Dubya said...
    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” – The Party (1984)

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  13. Party... where the jouissance of the government bureaucracy really lives.

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  14. And it trying to ACCUSE Trump for doing that, because???

    “Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” - Trump

    While it is obvious that Trump talking about watching/reading TV/news...

    While in that 1984 quote -- told about perceiving FACTS.

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  15. Naaaah.

    Just ordinary reality.

    But not Men's World.

    Women's one. ;-P

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  16. You keep speculating that it's something new.

    But it not.

    Religious Bigotry -- is very ancient thing. Primordial even.

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  17. No, it is something new. 2nd order existence.

    They do not experience events directly. Hear about them from others (MSM), and act on it as if what was heard is true.

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  18. Men today don't ever leave their homes. They "work from home". It's turned them into "women".

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  19. 90% of government offices are "empty". Work from home. Still... long after pandemic.

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  20. \\No, it is something new. 2nd order existence.

    Obviously... you are not one living for 200 years or more. Isn't it? ;-)



    \\They do not experience events directly. Hear about them from others (MSM), and act on it as if what was heard is true.

    Like that ANY different from all previous ages.

    Naaah. It was EVEN BIGGER of an issue.

    Now, you can have videos.

    20th century introduced fotos.

    But in all previous times... it was mere words.

    Not even written. ;-P



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  21. Imagine a life with no sh*t in it. You start to think that everyone lives that way...

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  22. ...until the day you're walking down a street in Baltimore and you get mugged. :)

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  23. Gasoline engines pollute? No problem, buy a $100k Tesla. Outlaw gasoline cars. Problem solved.

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  24. "Let's pray together inside out neat newly built church. And pretend that all nastiness of Real World doesn't counts." ;-)

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  25. DiDi are funny... lately.


    \\Whatever your point is, it's about as clear as mud.

    Thank you for revealing the reason of your inability to grasp simple things even. ;-P


    Well, I benevolent to idiots. So, will explain.


    "reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" -- it's about IMMEDIATELY visible FACTS.

    While.

    "reading is not what's happening" -- NOT.


    Exactly OPPOSITE things.


    But DEMNs grown in their idiocy THAT MUCH... that "it's about as clear as mud" -- necause that mud, it's Propaganda mud. Inside your own brains. ;-P

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  26. Heh... locumranch. ;-)


    Furthermore, it's simply not possible to compare relative crime statistics between the various US states anymore, since 21 out of 50 states -- with a clear democrat blue state preponderance -- simply fail to record and/or report their crime rates to the US federal government. This is the Three Monkey Approach written large.

    https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/08/09/states-that-do-not-report-crime-to-the-fbi/

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  27. /"reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" -- it's about IMMEDIATELY visible FACTS.
    While.
    "reading is not what's happening" -- NOT.
    Exactly OPPOSITE things.


    It's hard to get a common perspective on issues if one person is outside the Klein bottle, and the other's on the inside....

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  28. ...it's an "antagonistic" situation.... Zizek's "Cross-Cap"?

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  29. ...or "stare" out of the "gates of subjectivity" (Klein Bottle) from inside of Plato's Cave at the outside for a while. @@

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  30. I think that I need to re-listen to this lecture a few times.

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  31. \\It's hard to get a common perspective on issues if one person is outside the Klein bottle, and the other's on the inside....

    Naaah. It's just Qui bono?

    Women thinking. ;-P

    Social grooming. ;-)

    Just a tinsy little problem -- The World... is deaf to loathing curses, same way as it deaf to sleazy ...

    Oh, can you help me here?

    To discern better, subtle differences -- what synonim is for what?

    Lip salve. Synonyms for Lip salve. lip balm · cajolery · lip care · flattery · adulation · sycophancy · palaver · lipsalve.

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  32. Ha-ha-ha-ha... if IT will reveal it... it will be EVEN more daming proof. :-))))))))))0



    \\ Blogger Dave Dubya said...

    \\ 9:50 Anonymous Troll "clarifies" his mud with more mud.


    More self-revealing cretinism. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Cretin UNABle to grasp that "reading"... is NOT "seeing with own eyes"??? :-)))))))))))))

    What a stumbling cretin U R. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0

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  33. "Designated Survivor" again.

    It turns like all semi-political series in USA... when they in the midst, and lost topics to add to script, falling into that -- let's add some crazy Ukrainians doing some crazy shit trick.

    I think you'd need to add "magical Ukrainian"... in addition to magic Negr0. ;-P

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  34. Isn't it authentically femalish retort? ;-p



    Blogger David Brin said...

    And since you doubled down, instead of listening to my complaint that it was an utter misinterpretation of what I say... I must conclude that my protests mean nothing no you, nor honesty nor curiosity or decency.

    A ceased reading at that point and I am done talking to you about this.
    You are behaving as an utter asshole. Come back when you are a grownup willing to behave like a decent person.

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  35. You are the world's "Current thing" in our current reflexive environment. So maybe you should be happy, even when errors (deliberate or not) vis "Ukrainians" are made.

    You want $$$ to kill Russians? AS PT Barnum said:

    "Without promotion, something terrible happens: nothing...."

    “I don’t care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right.”

    “Never attempt to catch a whale with a minnow.”

    “Advertising is like learning – a little is a dangerous thing. If a man has not the pluck to keep on advertising, all the money he has already spent is lost.”

    “Every crowd has a silver lining.”

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  36. Forgot one... “I am indebted to the press of the United States for almost every dollar which I possess...”

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  37. @@

    PT Barnum “Politeness and civility are the best capital ever invested in business."

    “The truth is, the more kind and liberal a man is, the more generous will be the patronage bestowed upon him.”

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  38. Even if it old as shit... and do not, err, never had tits? ;-P

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  39. Forgive me my brutal frankness... :-(

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  40. \\You are the world's "Current thing" in our current reflexive environment. So maybe you should be happy, even when errors (deliberate or not) vis "Ukrainians" are made.

    It started before all this...

    and I think dirty hands of KGB might be behind it.

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  41. Too naive... you are.

    And what about that thousands of Russian Empire emigrants. Who fled from revolution 1917.

    Many of which became professors of your universities. So, NOW, you have that problem with your universities becoming commie ratnests...

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  42. Yeah.

    And when KGB was formed? ;-)

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  43. You wanted to say UN. ;-P

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  44. No. 100 years earlier, after the Paris Commune and Marx was writing his first Commie screeds. You know... "solidarity forever" stuff.

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  45. There were commie spies in play LONG before Lenin pulled his October Revolution.

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  46. Sorry... pre-20 century books/materials/history... was not that ubiquitous or even present in my realm...

    for me it like BC (Before Christ) things...

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  47. \\Lenin pulled his October Revolution.

    Well... that was later glorification propaganda.

    Commies of USSR themself knew... that that was miserly coup. ;-P

    Why miserly? Because in that time POWER was laying on the street as pile of trash.

    Nobody wise, any less ambitious... was not ready not only to grab, but even poke with a stick.

    So, only Lenin... under nudge from its early senility... (put suiting idiom here)

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  48. Nothing new under the Moon...

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  49. For how long do exist Jesuits

    Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki
    The Society of Jesus also known as the Jesuit Order or the Jesuits is a religious order of clerics regular of pontifical right for men in the Catholic ...

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  50. There will always be self-righteous "teachers". ;P

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  51. Because there always are babies that need to be taught? ;-)

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  52. ...with or without spankings? America today is all carrot.

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  53. That's just... hyper-compensation...

    not a bad thing, actually.

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  54. Or... ONLY POSSIBLE Lamarckism AKA Self-Evolution. ;-)

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  55. Believe me, when words fail, violence is the go-to solution.

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  56. WAH-wah-wah-wah. ;-P

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  57. Themistocles
    Wikiquote
    https://en.wikiquote.org › wiki › Themistocles
    ... Themistocles said: 'Smite, but hear me.' Then Eurybiades was struck with admiration at his calmness, and bade him speak, and Themistocles tried to bring him ...


    pS Seems that is the reason of problems with on-line communication. Lack of such non-verbal level.

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  58. All verba, no acta... even when non-acta is recommended course of action. (Bartleby... "I'd prefer NOT to")

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurybiades

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  59. Lamarckism AKA Self-Evolution... bio-electricity as Michael Levin (or Ben Franklin) might say.

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  60. \\All verba, no acta... even when non-acta is recommended course of action. (Bartleby... "I'd prefer NOT to")

    Mini-max strategy. ;-P

    Well, that what Science says.

    More general common wisdom says... I cannot found that sci-fi novella. But synopsis is such -- there is a war between TWO colonies on the Moon.

    One are goody-goody democrats. Other... is most heinous despoty.

    If despoty wins -- you know what'll be done with democrats.

    But, for now war is with robots and on a desolate plains only... so, no blood spilled. For now.

    So. Pure "Democracy's Supremacy" against "nasty-nasty-wrong" tyranny.

    Decisions in war made by public vote... against super-duper central brains of tyrant.

    With a catch... that "free votes" are moderated. ;-P



    PS Take whatever you like out of it.

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  61. \\Lamarckism AKA Self-Evolution... bio-electricity as Michael Levin (or Ben Franklin) might say.

    Yeah.

    That exactly example when "wisdom of old age tend to grow being inprecise, or even outdated... with time".


    While modern "lamarkism"... is integral part of Evo-Devo.

    As "horizontal share of genes" among microbes.

    Or... as epigenetic (share of non-geneticly transmitted traits) and our thing we call Culture...

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  62. What is win? What is loss?

    Yawn.

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  63. Are These Bad Times or Good Times? The Story of the Zen ...
    Mindfulness.com
    https://mindfulness.com › are...
    While trying to tame one of the horses, the farmer's son fell and broke his leg. The villagers came by to commiserate and said, “How awful. This is such bad ...

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  64. I'm not a Zen farmer... I'm the one with the son with the broken leg.

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  65. That which does not kill me may make me stronger, but I don't have to like it.

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  66. \\I'm not a Zen farmer... I'm the one with the son with the broken leg.

    That's good... that mean he will not be drafted, isn't it?



    \\That which does not kill me may make me stronger, but I don't have to like it.

    Survived man bias.

    Yawn.

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  67. Another word -- experienced. :-)

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