"I could not love except where DeathWas mingling his with Beauty's breath -"
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EA Poe, "Romance" (1831)
EA Poe, "The Valley of Unrest" (vE - 1845)
Once it smiled a silent dell
Where the people did not dwell;
They had gone unto the wars,
Trusting to the mild-eyed stars,
Nightly, from their azure towers,
To keep watch above the flowers,
In the midst of which all day
The red sun-light lazily lay.
Now each visitor shall confess
The sad valley’s restlessness.
Nothing there is motionless—
Nothing save the airs that brood
Over the magic solitude.
Ah, by no wind are stirred those trees
That palpitate like the chill seas
Around the misty Hebrides!
Ah, by no wind those clouds are driven
That rustle through the unquiet Heaven
Uneasily, from morn till even,
Over the violets there that lie
In myriad types of the human eye—
Over the lilies there that wave
And weep above a nameless grave!
They wave:—from out their fragrant tops
External dews come down in drops.
They weep:—from off their delicate stems
Perennial tears descend in gems.
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"My draught of passion hath been deep —
I revell'd, and I now would sleep —"
-EA Poe, "Romance" (1831)
No. I can't.
ReplyDeleteMost important part of poetry -- allusions.
Are not penetrable for me.
:-(((
You don't get it. You can't just read a poem like you read a post. Once. Or twice. Or 3 times. You have to keep reading it until the allusions become singularly fixed. My first few impressions completely change on the first few readings... until I've grasped the "whole" and then I can relate to each "part". The 1st and last "Romantic" quotes from Poe should clue you in. Beauty and Death. Motion and Stillness of the wind.
ReplyDeleteWhy do people bring flowers to cemetaries?
ReplyDeleteTo mourn our dead?
ReplyDelete\\Why do people bring flowers to cemetaries?
ReplyDeleteNot in all cultures. Not in same sense. Not to all people. :-(
True... but want to know what is common?
ReplyDeletefrom Wiki:
The Valley of Unrest is about a once peaceful valley, but war breaks out in the valley and it changes from a peaceful valley, to ruins of a war zone. The valley is in a state of "unrest" because the state of the valley is not of a naturally occurring event, but of one only humans can cause.
Ukraine is the "current" Valley of Unrest.
ReplyDeleteWhatever beauty it once nourished...
ReplyDelete...will take decades to recover.
ReplyDeleteHah... you think Soviet Union was able to produce ANY "beauty"??? %)
ReplyDeleteWell, you can point to one... if you'd find it?
Solzhenitsyn.
ReplyDeleteI read it all. Humanity "adapts". Even to the most horrible circumstances. There is beauty in the Russian people.
...and I hate to see it getting buried in the soils of Ukraine.
ReplyDelete:P
ReplyDelete\\There is beauty in the Russian people.
ReplyDeleteYeah... until they come to you... to bomb out your house... to kill your parents... to enslave your children... and to fuck your dog. %)
You demonstrating nothing new here. It was... previously.
Romantic feelings about "beauty of German people", until...
\\...and I hate to see it getting buried in the soils of Ukraine.
I also... do not want em dead... too easy. :-/
I never meant to imply that everything human is beautiful. But as for potential? Yeah, there's beauty in that.
ReplyDelete...and what is beauty, but a "feeling"? (Kant, "Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and the Sublime").
ReplyDeleteFight/Flight... or Stay/Play.
ReplyDeleteDo AI/ computers ever get those feelings?
ReplyDeleteRhetorical question.
ReplyDeleteHah... not that much.
ReplyDeleteSpamfilter reacted to it -- my answer, and swallowed. :-)))))
Might be something meaningful was in it... ;-)
ReplyDeleteHow do you like it??? ;-)
ReplyDeleteI tried to google for clue about that idiom. About "roooope long enough to haaaang oneself"... and Goggle proposed to me telephone number of Suuicide Prevention office.
Isn't it SWE-E-E-ET? And caring? :-))))))
Yeah, I did a YouTube search on ANCAP (anarcho capitalism) the other day. All it would return were ANTI-ANCAP videos. All the funny old "throw commies out of helicopters" ones were gone.
ReplyDeletePretty soon the internet's going to be useless.
Algorithmic tyranny. Some dare call it "progress".
ReplyDeleteWell... try Bing.
ReplyDeleteThey not "improved" it that way... yet.
Or some other search engine. ;-)
Plurality, you know.
For everyone to find own tree,,, you know what for. ;-P
Well... sorry if my taste of humor will wrong you somehow.
ReplyDeleteBut I think it funny... for anarchist to rely on government/big-corp... to provide him his anarchistic goodies. ;-)
\\Pretty soon the internet's going to be useless.
ReplyDeleteWAT??? I will not be able to download my opensource and compile it for myself? ;-P
The problem was with the YouTube APs search. They control the files. You don't think that they can deny other engines from finding them?
ReplyDeleteLike... they are only ONE who hold that files.
ReplyDeleteWell, they trying to prevent easy way of downloading em... but still, that's pretty easy.
All question --- who will hold em, and where, and what will ask for accessing. ;-)
That is what street rat of the internet can say about it. :-)))
Jack's Magic Coffee Shop controls the "cloud". You won't find them there.
ReplyDeleteYou have said that something missing before... and I found, something.
ReplyDeleteEven though I didn't know what to search for... and that is biggest problem, that I know from my experience.
When Barrack Obama ran for President, I found quite a bit of information that one can no longer find. But that was 2008. Back when he flirted with Left radical fringe parties and movements in his run-up to his 2006 Senate race.... and his associations with Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground figure and Ayer's wife, "Dorn" (another Weather Underground bomber)... one of Michelle Obama's law firm associates. There is also a bunch about his position on the board of a major foundation and the "grants" he supported (like for Bill Ayers "education" initiatives. There was also a lot about his "mentor" and father substitute in Hawaii, a Chicago communist.... and his being registered as a Muslim at a school in Indonesia... all magically "disappeared".
ReplyDelete...much like his "birth certificate" and "college records" (it was suspected that he claimed to be "Kenyan" and was a "foreign student" in his college records. His education was also funded by a radical "Muslim" donor who wrote his "recommendation" letters.
ReplyDeleteAnybody who believes that Obama wasn't a radical is a fool.
\\and his being registered as a Muslim at a school in Indonesia... all magically "disappeared".
ReplyDeleteWant is safe? Make copies! ;-P
That's the rule of Internet.
Well... of Evolution too.
\\Anybody who believes that Obama wasn't a radical is a fool.
Radicals... became most successful conservators... when it happen to snatch some power. ;-P
That's why they "weaponized" and made DoJ a "partisan" actor under Eric Holder.
ReplyDelete"Il Principe".
ReplyDeleteYawn.
Like the joke about the argument of the human body's organs debating who will be the boss... all it takes is an *sshole to stop doing his part.
ReplyDelete:-))))))))))))))))))
ReplyDeleteWell.
ReplyDeleteDune's logic: "only one who can destroy it, are in real control of it".
It's like one who holding hand grenade, even if it activated -- are one who in power.
And not one who "released" it... as far as possible. ;-P
It's why the Left LOVES government now. They're still holding the grenade.
ReplyDeleteSocialists to not love government?
ReplyDeletePft!
Dervy hates Biden?
ReplyDeleteDervy doesn't like government censorship and abuse of justice system against political opponents? He doesn't love government POWER?
ReplyDeleteWhy I talk with it, what do you think? :-)))
ReplyDeleteI read too fast... sorry.
ReplyDeleteNaaaah.
ReplyDeleteThat is the same problem I tried to mention earlier.
Language... do not help to discern it. Robustly.
Like. You, or anybody, have no problem to discern where is Left, and where is Right, isn't it?
But.
When it in text. Or in speech. There is often that problem. "Your right, or my right?"
Or other such similar cases.
Like discerning straight claim, from negative, from double negative. ;-)
Tru dat...
ReplyDeletePut the same picture/art/canvas in a different frame... and it won't be the same picture with the frame's different ideological "glasses" on.
ReplyDeleteWe read this painting completely differently. Your "elements" are gold and silver, and mine are "dross" and "lead".
ReplyDeleteThe top speeds for the same sprinter carrying nothing, 10 kg, and 1 kg will all be different. They'll change again for the amount of training each sprinter undergoes, as he ages.
ReplyDelete/So. Imagine. We ordering TWO sprinters -- first to stand on the START line. And second -- 100 meters ahead. So, when they'll run. Second will appear on that place we would like to achieve as doubled speed. ;-)
But how did you get the 1kg package to the 2nd sprinter? Speed of package or speed of only the 2nd sprinter? The 1st sprinter would only appear to travel at his max speed. See, subjectivity problem? What am I missing?
like... with ropes. ;-)
ReplyDeleteremember -- what we want to achieve -- more speed. Or... more distance to come in same time.
If that'll be just one sprinter, or even bunch of sprinters, but starting from same point -- they can (if they not throwing that thing, but that's another story, isn't it?) give to that weight only that same speed as they able to run with, themself.
Because -- they will end their run in that same distance per same time.
But.
Imagine.
First sprinter running -- and pulling that thing after him -- he again cannot pull it PAST finish.
But second one -- he already are PAST finish line of first one.
Well... there is additional details need to be accounted. What exactly pulling mechanism to use. And etc.
But that is mostly technical details -- while you have basic idea that solution is possible in general.
\\We read this painting completely differently. Your "elements" are gold and silver, and mine are "dross" and "lead".
ReplyDeleteWell... that's why I copy-pasted that excerpt from DiBi.
""
He gave us a very simplistic theory of human emotional groupings. In any large group, people were likely to lump up into five subgroups whose basic beliefs could be summed up as follows.
1. Life sucks.
2. I suck, but you might be okay.
3. I'm great, but you suck.
4. We are great.
5. Life is great.
His theory was that people in one group could talk to others in a neighboring group and be understood if not fully believed. If two people were too far away, though, they wouldn't even understand though they spoke the same language. For example, a person in group #3 thinks they are great while someone in #1 simply rejects that premise. Most likely the #1 person would take it as a lead-in to some kind of trickery… because we all know life sucks.
""
PS But that is exactly what needed for sucessful team -- diversity. ;-)
\\They'll change again for the amount of training each sprinter undergoes, as he ages.
ReplyDeleteIn most realistic setups... we just have no time to wait for training.
And anyway -- no training can give you something like doubling of speed.
So... it's better to devise some technological solution...
while sprinters... well, you can take even turtles... if you'd have enough number of them.
And your tech will allow you to use em to achieve needed speed. ;-)