Intelligences ; Transmitters to G_d and User Interfaces (UIs) all the Way Down
Increasing the Bioelectric Field and Cellular Intercommunication through Prayer, Meditation, and Medication
Joining More Brain Cells Together into a Higher Bioelectrically Communicating Intelligence
Dump god beliefs. Problem solved.
ReplyDeleteWorks as good as Buddhism on the scans
DeleteSo says the one knowing nothing about Dharma, Buddhism, or much about the inseperability of the absolute/relative realuty union or what inseperability really means.
Deletelol! You mean I accept the empirical scan data over Buddhist mysticism?
DeleteBuddhism, properly understood, if far from mysticism. It's more the study of the mind through experiential knowledge.
DeleteWhen you understand the Dharma then talk to me. Until then, try Alan Watts, B. Allan Wallace, James Low, Migur Rinpoche... and so many more.
Oh, that's right, you're a western colonialism capitalist right?
//It's more the study of the mind through experiential knowledge.
DeleteWhat an apparent BS.
And with WHAT they explored it? What TOOLS.
Objectively independent from their deluded minds...
//inseperability of the absolute/relative realuty union or what inseperability really means.
DeleteOk, Google
The inseparability of the absolute and relative reality, a concept from Buddhist philosophy (the doctrine of two truths) and other traditions, suggests that these two aspects of existence are not two separate things but two sides of the same coin. The relative is our everyday, conventional understanding of a world with distinct objects and beings, while the absolute is the ultimate, inexpressible truth of emptiness and interconnectedness. They are indivisible because the relative is a manifestation of the absolute, and the absolute is the underlying reality of the relative; you cannot have one without the other.
YAP
Ordinary religious BS
Or, you are FREE to explain it -- how it ANYHOW differ from similar "inseperability" in ANY raligion.
Like tri-unity in christianity, for example.
It all just a way to mind-boggle people. False and faked "wisdom".
Yawn.
...all w/o any "transcendence" (all immanence). Funny how that happens.
Delete"All immanence" is a philosophical and theological concept referring to the idea that the divine is fully and completely present within the material world, not separate from it. This contrasts with transcendence, where the divine is considered to be outside and beyond the material world. Philosophers like Spinoza developed theories of one substance (God or Nature) expressing itself in all things, while certain theological views like pantheism see God as immanent but not transcendent.
DeleteYawn.
False dichotomy.
One that leads to nothing.
And only good for religious mind-boggling "wisdoms".
A 'virtual' realm. Neuro-theology. ;)
Delete'Virtual'... without checking with Reality... is just meaningless mumbling. A random noise.
DeleteYawn.
Or "intelligence" in a "digital" space.
DeleteYou was summoning spirit of (go)lem lover... and I came. ;-p
ReplyDeleteAnd I was waiting for Honest Annie... ;)
DeleteMeans... for silence.
DeleteYawn.
There can be communication in silence, a purloined letter, an unanswered prayer.
DeleteYeah... Power of Nothingness.
Delete...or multiplicity, freedom of choice
DeleteYap.
DeleteLike in Bizzaro's World.
Yawn.
The "not Zelinskyy" world. ;)
DeleteIn a OnlyNotTrump DEMN dreams world? ;-p
DeleteZelensky... is just Ukrainian dRump. ;-p
IMO, he's a neocon (anti-Trump) tool.
DeleteYawn.
DeleteThat is nature of all socialists... they are natural enemies of each other.
That goes for Capitalists as well.
Delete;-p
ReplyDeleteStill cheering for RFia? ;-p
DeleteNope Just an end to the war. Are you 'winning' yet?
DeleteYOUR war, not even started... but you awaiting to its ending.
DeleteOh, that post-modern generation.
But wait... that's the same what people was waiting for many times, already. End of Times.
But... it never happened.
Yawn.
YOUR war, not even started... but you awaiting to its ending.
DeleteOh, that post-modern generation.
But wait... that's the same what people was waiting for many times, already. End of Times.
But... it never happened.
Yawn.
I'm for Katechonizing (delaying) the eschaton (end times), not immanentizing (accelerating) it.
Delete//A good "dupe," by contrast, understands that reality is ordered by these necessary illusions, a notion Lacan describes as being "duped by some real"
ReplyDeleteYawn, BS.
Necessary???)))
How come?
Just like in talk above -- some kinda "holly wisdom" is needed as corner stone of ANY religion.
But.
Why there so MANY of em? Religions. And why their corner stones -- different? ;-)
Social conventions... les non-dupes errent! Those who are not fooled err the most.
DeleteStill... you not mastered meta-talks. Yawn.
DeleteJust a simple thing -- why that 'non-duped'... cannot ADMIT social... ehm, conventions? ;-p
To became duped and non-duped SAME TIME? ;-)
DeleteAs he is anyway.
That's the analyst discourse, not the university discourse (to dupe others)
Delete(to evangelize and spread the religion)
Delete//Officers don't eat, sleep, or sh*t with Enlisted men.
ReplyDeleteIt's just... inconvenient.
Necessaryly.
By same reason we have our (wise?) hemisphares in scull.
And not inside gluteus maximus. ;-p
Though, people still prefer to think ... with their ass.))))
Officers are the subjects supposed to know... they don't, and will therefore be recognized for the idiots that they really are
Deleteps- It is bigger!
DeleteStill... "somebody need to command". Who's words that are?
DeleteAnd why you do think that subordinates, that stupid, to not get it?
...and somebody sometimes needs to be sacrificed in the diversion/ feint attack. The "master" strategically orders the attack. The "university/ officer" interprets the order and devises tactics for executing the attack. The enlisted men (hysterics) execute the officers tactical orders. And the military analyst determines if the attack was successful (whether the master's strategy and officers tactics were effective or not).
DeleteHow hard to you pursue a feint? Do you give artillery support to the feint, or the real line of attack? If yes, how much? Do you tell the men in the feint that they're just a feint? What if they're captured?
DeleteDo they know that they're just the glutteous maximus, and not the skull? "Ours is not to reason why, ours is butt to do or die".
Delete//You obviously don't understand the fundamental properties associated with "generation from opposites" (Yin-Yang) that can locally delay and sometimes locally reverse the inevitable entropy that affects all systems and life.
ReplyDeleteYawn.
Nothing can stall entropy.
Because -- it is in the center of all things.
It. -- is the base behind thing we call Time.
Watched modern Alisa in Wonderland? Second movie.
To the STOP of Entropy, stop of Time
Wher Alisa tryed to fix Time... and to what almost disastrous it have came...
You sure it doesn't run backwards in an anti-particle universe on the other side of the "zero-point" of this positively charged one?
DeleteTime is relative. Just travel light speed, and time will "stop" (ran backwards in the Interstellar movies library).
DeleteThat is... different model of physics.Non-complete, to boot.
DeleteAnd you not mastered meta-talks. Yawn.
As that is wrong, incorrect to ask questions viable in one model(on one of meta-levels), about totally another.
I pursue all 4 discourses master/university/hysteric/analyst. If you just want me to just speak in one, let me know which.
DeletePhysics is a University discourse. Not all physicists pursue the same models (like lamba CDM)
Which is right? Time (in our universe part of the multiverse) will tell. ;p
DeleteNow if you'll excuse me, I need to catch a twistor to the other side of the event horizon.
Deletefrom Google AI:
DeleteTwistor theory is a framework developed by Roger Penrose that proposes a new foundation for physics by defining spacetime as an emergent property of a more fundamental, complex mathematical space called a "twistor space". Instead of starting with spacetime, it begins with objects called twistors, which are related to light rays, and uses them to represent physical quantities like momentum and angular momentum. This approach has led to new mathematical tools and a different perspective on unifying general relativity and quantum mechanics, particularly for calculating scattering amplitudes in particle physics.
Key concepts
Twistor space: The fundamental arena for physics in this theory, which is a complex four-dimensional space. Physical quantities are encoded as geometric data within this space.
Twistors: The basic building blocks of this theory. They are related to the light rays (null geodesics) in spacetime.
Spacetime as a secondary concept: In twistor theory, spacetime points are not fundamental. Instead, they arise from collections of twistors, which are often represented as geometric objects like planes within twistor space.
Unifying physics: A primary goal is to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics. Twistor theory provides a way to approach quantum gravity by treating spacetime as a secondary concept that may need to be "smeared out" in a quantum theory.
Mathematical structure: The theory heavily relies on complex geometry and analysis, bringing together ideas from relativity and quantum mechanics through a new set of mathematical tools.
Applications: Twistor theory has found significant applications in calculating scattering amplitudes, which are probabilities for particles to scatter during collisions. This has led to new insights into quantum field theory and pure mathematics.
Significance
New perspective: It offers a radical shift from the traditional view of physics, which is built on spacetime points...
//Les Carpenter
ReplyDeleteNothing can anticipate ALL future occurrences
Why not?
While that simplest thing to do.
Just say "anything can happen".
And it done.;-p
That's not very "Deterministic"... heuristically speaking. ;p
DeleteAnd why you care 'bout it being deterministic... why heuristically speaking??? (high eyebrow)
DeleteDoesn't "meaning" rely upon the concept of determinism? With 5 sigma (or greater) accuracy?
DeleteThat "Anything" can happen in any particular moment isn't true. There are a range of limited options available in the particular moment at any level of entropic "assembly" or "disassembly", each dependent upon the last and next.
Some things are precluded from happening based upon having taken or missed the conditions required for them happening naturally, especially if restricted to a specific time period in the creation of the universe. The conditions of the early universe are no longer present. The "god particles" in the wild are gone, and therefore Higgs bosons extremely difficult to detect and re-create.
DeleteThe truth lies in the process, not the sequential and particular events occurring along the way. The equivalent of Buddhist "absolute" that Les often refers to. But I don't have infinite time to determine the truth. My time is limited. So I must resort to heuristics to postulate it.
Delete//Les Carpenter
ReplyDelete//Ethics, properly grounded in a humanistic outlook, are the better guides to a beautiful satisfying life for all.
To man-eating cannibals too? ;-p
See? Your universality -- not that universal.
Just as his anti-racism and anti-fascisms aren't very universal, either.
DeleteOf course not.
DeleteThat's just a manifestation of parochial altruism.
Yawn.
Indeed.
Delete//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
ReplyDeleteA retreat into absolute Spirituality/ Idealism results in verba non acta. The exact opposite of my motto.
Motto... that looks just like religious dogma.;-p
Rule of thumb for interpreting the meaning of an event. And aren't 1st principles just that, dogma's (philosophers are dogs, after all; Plato "Republic") Schizo-analysis is anti-philosophy/ anti-Oedipus. It enables multiple readings of meanings ala James Joyce's "Finnegans Wake"... and attempts to circumvent static dogmas. But it still doesn't replace acta non verba, IMO. Andrei Tartovsky, "“We can express our feelings regarding the world around us either by poetic or by descriptive means... I prefer to express myself metaphorically. Let me stress: metaphorically, not symbolically. A symbol contains within itself a definite meaning, certain intellectual formula, while metaphor is an image. An image possessing the same distinguishing features as the world it represents. An image — as opposed to a symbol — is indefinite in meaning. One cannot speak of the infinite world by applying tools that are definite and finite. We can analyse the formula that constitutes a symbol, while metaphor is a being-within-itself, it’s a monomial. It falls apart at any attempt of touching it.""
DeleteThere is nothing that can overcome philosophy AKA mindless mumbling. Yawn.
DeleteBut, there is a way -- to go meta.
Simple thing, indeed.
It is just like... when you standing on first flour -- you can judge about what happens in basement.
But to talk about first flour itself, you need to rise up to second.
But.... it needs intellectual sincerity. Ability to say "I dunno what I dunno". And rigority.
Yawn.
Which post-modern(AKA traditional mumbler)lacks.
Transcendence. To step outside of the situation/ space. To enter "Twistor/ Platonic" spaces (ala Roger Penrose or Michael Levin)
DeleteFake corrupted subverted version of meta?
Delete...or escape from a limiting category.
DeleteEscape where? Into BSverse? Bizarro's World??? :-)))
DeleteBizarro World (also known as Htrae, which is "Earth" spelled backwards) is a fictional planet appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.
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Delete//Les Carpenter
ReplyDeleteNaw, just positive ethical standards recognizing that happiness and peace for everyone as well as TRUE equal opportunity for EVERYONE based on capability and initiative is all smart folks want.
Tch-tch-tch.
Self-proclaimed "smart folks".
That's what happened in USSR -- where such self-proclaimed wise declared that they KNOW...
and look where it come, some decades and gecathombs of deaths since.
Yawn.
Knowing the TRUE world of universals and absolute EVERYONEs... @@
Delete???
DeleteReligious... 'know' some 'truth'???
Penrose/ Levin...Science... 'know' some truth???
DeleteReligious... know "themselves" and "others' (human nature - conditions for optimizing Social relations in specific environments ie - Muslims in nomadic deserts; Jews in diasporas; Christians in City-States, etc.)
//Muslims in nomadic deserts; Jews in diasporas; Christians in City-States, etc.)
DeleteFalse-fake notions.
Yawn.
Do you need som tractat from Nitshe or Kant to satiate your hunger? No.
You'll just see food, will grab it and intake it.;-P
That all is just "those who know better" propaganda.
DeleteYawn.
Yes, argue from "authority". Stand on the shoulders of giants instead of constantly re-inventing the wheel and building from the base up. Like assembly theory. Start from the lion, instead of the bacterium or single cell. Assembly theory is "inductive", not deductive. Archea...add Bacteria... then add Eukaria... then add ??? tech implant? cyborgs?
DeleteGlad you're feeling better now that you've passed your gas.
ReplyDeleteStill idiot, as ever?)))
DeleteOf course you are.
Unable to destinguish people, if they not look like on your DEMN conditioning studying cards.))))
Whatever.
DeleteNothing triggers Les anymore. Buddhism is even better than Gas-X.
Delete//When we are spiritually bypassing, we often use the goal of awakening or liberation to rationalize what I call premature transcendence: trying to rise above the raw and messy side of our humanness before we have fully faced and made peace with it. And then we tend to use absolute truth to disparage or dismiss relative human needs, feelings, psychological problems, relational difficulties, and developmental deficits. I see this as an ‘occupational hazard’ of the spiritual path, in that spirituality does involve a vision of going beyond our current karmic situation.”
ReplyDeleteYeah. That same "prist that lost fate... but still keep serving". ;-p
Fail. Fail again. Fail better... ???
DeleteWhatever.
DeleteYour beliefs , your conditioning, your attachments are yours, you project them well.
.The truth is we understand perfectly the absolute and relative truths are one. Inseparable. The difference is one is experiential observation w/o ones conditioning and reified beliefs. Without the overlay of judgment, grasping, or resisting.
All is well in the gap.
...for the cordyceps.
Delete//Les Carpenter
DeleteWhatever.
//Your beliefs , your conditioning, your attachments are yours, you project them well.
And yes. And no.
Because... I, doing it consciously -- I know that I have my biases, admit em, and trying to workaround.
You, talking from a bottom of your biases tarpit.
Yawn.
But... continue-continue, Porky.;-p
@Q - War going any better? Just remember, "When the going gets tough... everybody leaves."
ReplyDeleteYou say.
DeleteThat is your dRump admitted that YOU ARE at war. ;-p
Ready to win it? Prematurely(like in premature eaculation?)
It can be a trade war or a hot war. In 2014 it began to escalate from the former into the latter. The question that remains, is can it be de-escalated back?
DeleteAlready not. Yawn.
DeleteKairos walked past you. In slow-mo style.
But you failed to catch him.
Yawn.
Then I have no options. My fate has been declared. Better make the best of it, like the Lord of Dreams (Sandman). The path through the labyrinth has been chosen. The thread, cut.
DeleteI now stand in the crossroads and but plead my sorrows to the stones...
DeleteThen... your place will take Chinese. That still believe (as you once) that where is place for troubles, there is a chance to way out.
DeleteIn Between Scilla and Haribda.
;p
DeleteThe belt and road path that the Chinese are on only leads deeper into to aggregate efficiencies... and not anti-fragility.
DeleteWhatever.
DeleteWhy do you care.
If, as you trying to present here, you give up on participating in that rat races. ;-p
I have kids, and now a grandchild.
DeletePreviously... you was stating it otherwise...
DeleteI may have left the rat race, but haven't left the rat utopia. You familiar with the experiment?
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ReplyDeleteDunno what they talking 'bout... but still feel the need to squick, Porky? ;-p
Delete//Cargo cult. Nice analogy. Like the myth of Progress. Waiting for the latest "tech".
ReplyDeleteYou know, I'll agree with you. WAITING, is very stupid. As new tech do not appear like that bread on shelfs of supermarket -- by pure magic.;-p
Indeed. But can the AI technological singularity ever be realized? Or is it just a bubble? Give me my food replicator, dammit, Faust! Is it "science" or merely $$$ "alchemy"?
DeleteGo study History. History will tell you whole story.
DeleteLike about HOW people did imagined Future.
And gotta fail, fail and fail again with that predictions...
The Nazi's tried technology. We're circling the same toilet bowl.
DeleteSo what???
DeleteAre you familiar with Oswald Spengler and his predictions vis the 'Faustian Age'? He predicted that it would eventually become dominated by China...
DeleteGoogle AI:
The prediction regarding China:
In Man and Technics, Spengler predicted the following:
The global spread of Western technology: Spengler foresaw that Western-developed industrial technology would not remain exclusive to the West. He specifically mentioned its spread.
Economic competition: He predicted that nations in East Asia, such as China, would use this technology to develop their own industrial production using lower-wage labor. He argued this would create significant competition that would eventually outcompete Western workers.
The shift of industrial power: As a result of this economic competition, Spengler believed industrial production would shift to other parts of the world, leading to a decline of the West
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
ReplyDeleteThe truth lies in the process, not the sequential and particular events occurring along the way. The equivalent of Buddhist "absolute" that Les often refers to. But I don't have infinite time to determine the truth. My time is limited. So I must resort to heuristics to postulate it.
First in the history of homo not that much sapiens... you have a chance to increase that limit, extend your time. Who knows how much.
And that not religious "happy ever after". Not some phony "alchemy".
I dunno. I did not pointed to it explicitly. As damn too obvious.
But... suppose that you have a technology that can create a super-technological SEED toward other stars. Which need mastering precision working on the level of individual moleculas.
Guess, what wonders can do such tech in your own body? ;-)
We have one. It's called "life". A seed of a new life-like form might win the "competition" of "survival of the fittest" if unleashed upon planet Earth. It would be best to unleash one that could NOT survive (or evolve to survive) on Earth. One suited to another planetary realm requiring elements not found on Earth to survive (as Earthly elements would be fatal to it).
Delete//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
ReplyDeleteSome things are precluded from happening based upon having taken or missed the conditions required for them happening naturally, especially if restricted to a specific time period in the creation of the universe. The conditions of the early universe are no longer present. The "god particles" in the wild are gone, and therefore Higgs bosons extremely difficult to detect and re-create.
Study history, dammit.
History of science.
At first when there was opened element Al(Aluminium) it was declared as "rare" and "hard to obtain". And costed MORE then Platinum.
But then, SMART people (not self-proclaimed smart, not some alchemists... that smart only with their own words, NOT DEEDS "by their fruits you will know em"), found electro-chemistry.
And found that such a "rare" element, is just in dirt under their feet.
Ya-a-a-a-awn.
That's just it. The "process" that produce the required elements are most often unknown and undiscovered. And predicting the presence of requisite natural processes on far-off undiscovered planets... how does one do that? Like phosgene (once believed to be a life signature) or zircon...
Delete//Doesn't "meaning" rely upon the concept of determinism? With 5 sigma (or greater) accuracy?
ReplyDeleteThere's incalculable myriads of atoms just under your nose... that reliably and unalterably, do what atoms do.
What MORE determinism do you need???? %-)
Determinism regarding the conditions that make them "do what they do'??? Fusion or fission? Thermal Superconductance? Got any high temperature superconductors (HTS)? Create a point in the atoms ion shell to bind another atom onto? I know, I'm babbling.
Delete//That "Anything" can happen in any particular moment isn't true. There are a range of limited options available in the particular moment at any level of entropic "assembly" or "disassembly", each dependent upon the last and next.
ReplyDeleteYap. That's what determinism in our mundane universe manifests itself with.
So, what's the problem, Doc?
What is Bugs Bunny's famous phrase?
The carrot-chewing scenes are generally followed by Bugs' most well-known catchphrase, "What's up, Doc?", which was written by director Tex Avery for his first Bugs Bunny film, A Wild Hare (1940). Avery explained later that it was a common expression in his native Texas and that he did not think much of the phrase.
:-)))
Knowing the requisite processes and conditions necessary for assembly and disassembly that will result in a desirable outcome. Like with producing AI. Right now it's all about scaling LLMs... "and then a miracle occurs"... and we now have "General Intelligence". @@ Tech singularity achieved (or most likely, NOT achieved).
DeleteI do believe in IIT (Integrated Information Theory)... but more of the "biological" variety. Done with "malleable" substrates (not fixed circuit boards)
DeleteAn "intelligent" (vs dumb) morphospace rather than a singular rigid/ unintelligent one.
Delete//I pursue all 4 discourses master/university/hysteric/analyst. If you just want me to just speak in one, let me know which.
ReplyDelete//Physics is a University discourse. Not all physicists pursue the same models (like lamba CDM)
Yawn.
I'm technologist, not physicist.
I see and use models as dispensable parts. As knails, if you want.
If one model/knail bents under my hammer, I throw it away, and take another.
Yawn.
I see them as "portraits of Daedalus" in an art gallery. Some are better than others, but unless they are nailed onto the wall, will fly away. As in Deleuze and Guattari's concept of "faciality". Knowing the relationships within the assemblage of portraits that determined where the portraits were hung (and nails selected for hanging each, placed)
DeleteI am not slave of some particular model. To follow it religiously.
ReplyDeleteI am master of modelling. ;-p
But for your project, you'll need the models to assemble themselves (w/o you present) and "evolve" themselves in ways to enable themselves to acquire new functions and abilities to overcome environments much different from Earth or htraE.
DeleteOne with many "adaptive" intelligences...
Deleteeach needed to navigate a variety of spaces... morphological space, transcriptional space, physiological space, 3D behavioural space, etc.
Delete//...and somebody sometimes needs to be sacrificed in the diversion/ feint attack. The "master" strategically orders the attack. The "university/ officer" interprets the order and devises tactics for executing the attack. The enlisted men (hysterics) execute the officers tactical orders. And the military analyst determines if the attack was successful (whether the master's strategy and officers tactics were effective or not).
ReplyDeleteYeah.
Long story devised by "those who know better"... how to not stake own head, own life or at least career, or even just sound slipping... up to any risk.
Yawn.
Bureaucrats. Bleh.
Welcome to the era of experts. The king no longer directs his own army, Sun Tzu does. And the concubines simply interpret and carry out his orders.
Deletefrom Google AI:
The story of Sun Tzu and the concubines is a famous anecdote from The Art of War that demonstrates his principles of discipline and leadership. It recounts how he was tasked with training 180 royal concubines into a military unit. When they repeatedly failed to follow his commands due to giggling, Sun Tzu had the king's two favorite concubines, who were acting as company commanders, beheaded for failing to enforce discipline. After new commanders were appointed, the women drilled perfectly, convincing the king of Sun Tzu's ability to command, leading to his appointment as a general.
Or as Nicolas Taleb would probably say over a cheesecake at Lindy's Delicatessen, officers with "skin in the game"
Delete//I'm for Katechonizing (delaying) the eschaton (end times), not immanentizing (accelerating) it.
ReplyDeleteThat is sure thing how to speed up it.
Like in "rising a flag" in horror movies -- mentioning some monster/disaster... and it appears.
By Law of Unpredictable Consequences.
Like in history about DDT -- Ultimate Cleanser and Purifier... that appear to be a pollution and poison.
Yawn.
"All is a poison, all is a cure... depending on amounts."
"A little poison now and then: that makes for pleasant dreams. And much poison at the end for a pleasant death"
Delete- Nietzsche, "Zarathustra" (motto of the Last Men)
"wisdoms of the past tend to grow imprecise with time"
DeleteYawn
Human nature tends to persist over time, as we've been naturally "selected" for it
DeleteYap.
DeleteEvolution's tech.
The human 'boot' program.
Delete//Yes, argue from "authority". Stand on the shoulders of giants instead of constantly re-inventing the wheel and building from the base up. Like assembly theory. Start from the lion, instead of the bacterium or single cell. Assembly theory is "inductive", not deductive. Archea...add Bacteria... then add Eukaria... then add ??? tech implant? cyborgs?
ReplyDeleteWhat a mess... (shaking head)
Sometimes one need to remodel old house.
Sometime -- build new one, starting from digging dirt for paving fundament.
Do decent builder make any fuss about it all???
Indeed. Isn't that what Stephen Wolfram is trying to do? And Elon Musk?
DeleteI dunno?
DeleteAre them builders?
Are they see merit in serving. Or just want people to bent to serve to em?
I suspect it more the latter. They're tool makers.
DeleteWhatever.
DeleteEvolution tech can use any such shit.
Yawn.
IIT. "We are Borg. Resistance is Futile!"
DeleteFunny thing... but isn't we just like borgs(as was depicted in last incarnation of classic ST -- that, with "freed borg" 7from9), now. ;-)
Delete...or Locutus (assimilated Picard).
DeletePicard?
DeleteAlready was a drone. Part of a system.
Why he feeled so... liberated. And had surges of desire to became borg again?
BDSM Cosplay... the whole 'acting' profession.
Delete//But for your project, you'll need the models to assemble themselves (w/o you present) and "evolve" themselves in ways to enable themselves to acquire new functions and abilities to overcome environments much different from Earth or htraE.
ReplyDeleteYes.
That's the point.
That's why I studying Evolution, to find clues how it was done. Once.
//Knowing the requisite processes and conditions necessary for assembly and disassembly that will result in a desirable outcome. Like with producing AI. Right now it's all about scaling LLMs... "and then a miracle occurs"... and we now have "General Intelligence". @@ Tech singularity achieved (or most likely, NOT achieved).
ReplyDeleteWhy do you care about zat singularity???
You're the "technologist". The singularity changes everything.
DeleteHave you read "Sam Altman's Lamplighter"?
DeleteBS notion.
DeleteIdea that it could. And should? Happen by itself.
Somehow.
While ALL history of science and tech scream -- nothing like that happen by itself.
Only through brainy fellows: inventors, industrialists, technologists.
Idea of TiSi is like idea that Eiffel Tower could, and should appear by itself... and not because valiant of certain brightminded engineer.
DeleteWhat a stony BS.
Devised by lazy brainless FKs)))))
And supported by "those who know better".
Like, why they do support Elon Musk? Isn't it because "there need not to be AI-based weapon"?
Because such development of techs -- would be DANGEROUS for those who are in power
Same it was dangerous for every human to master PC... so, it was derailed into brain-dimming "smartphones".
Yawn.
By itself. Step 3 in AI bot creation. The 'AI Agent'
DeleteBS.
DeleteYawn.
LLM --> Workflow -> Agent
DeleteRe(ason)ACT!
Delete//There's incalculable myriads of atoms just under your nose... that reliably and unalterably, do what atoms do.
ReplyDelete//What MORE determinism do you need???? %-)
October 29, 2025 at 12:35 PM
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
Determinism regarding the conditions that make them "do what they do'??? Fusion or fission? Thermal Superconductance? Got any high temperature superconductors (HTS)? Create a point in the atoms ion shell to bind another atom onto? I know, I'm babbling.
Naaah. You just asking wrong questions.
Because you following some phony sophists.
And not technology and Nature.
Yawn.
Sorry, I don't work well with multi-billion year timelines. I think more in terms of human lifespans.
DeleteStars, volcanoes, planets... are the factories. Evolution factories.
Delete// I think more in terms of human lifespans.
DeleteThat's why we need to do that with techs.
And we doing it... since times last ape not just grabbed any first stone, but actually looked it it... and decided to change its shape, with help of other stone.
Which would take a milenia for vulcano or ocean waves to accomplish. ;-p
//That's just it. The "process" that produce the required elements are most often unknown and undiscovered. And predicting the presence of requisite natural processes on far-off undiscovered planets... how does one do that? Like phosgene (once believed to be a life signature) or zircon...
ReplyDeleteAnd answer is... modelling.
Models require inputs.
Delete...and limiting parameters.
Delete...and processing time.
DeleteYAP.
DeleteYAP.
And YAP!
testing
ReplyDelete//The shift of industrial power: As a result of this economic competition, Spengler believed industrial production would shift to other parts of the world, leading to a decline of the West
ReplyDeleteThat's why only power of New Techs can save West.
Now it self-evident.
Or still not?
Is it? How much 'luxury' does mankind need?
DeleteWhen I was a child, I wanted to live at Disneyland in the Disneyland Hotel and take the monorail to work as an "Imagineer". I've outgrown the fantasy.
Whatever.
DeleteIf it'll not be made by dreamers and for peaceful purpose... it WILL be built by dry cynical pragmatics, for the needs of war.
Yawn.
Means.
DeleteIf you not ready to follow your dreams of Disnayland and monorail... you'll be forced to live in a Reality of Oswentsim
lol! As Bartleby would say, "I prefer not to". Besides, I love showers AND look good in stripes!
DeleteTnx.
DeleteIt helped me to come to unsettling conclusion.
That WAR not only inevitable... it even *needed*, by now.
Wheel of history made full circle. And now we pre-1940...
:-((((((
//That is nature of all socialists... they are natural enemies of each other.
ReplyDeleteOctober 30, 2025 at 12:03 AM
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
That goes for Capitalists as well.
Capitalists... bound to cooperate.
To make deals.
To sleaze customers.
To play games with governments.
All what socialists can totally circumvent.
Didn't you heard about "war-time socialism"???
Which is one and only TRUE and ideally pure Socialism.
As it was in USSR under Lenin. And in Mao's China.
Yes, that is what Slavoj Zizek calls for... War time Communism. A return to Mao and Lenin, both who veered radically from Marxist Theory and ruled with "great expedience". Marxist "praxis".
DeleteWhatever.
DeleteYawn.
//I may have left the rat race, but haven't left the rat utopia. You familiar with the experiment?
ReplyDeleteYou have had mention it. Sporadically.
That utopia will naturally end. Soon.
The population crash is already "baked in".
DeleteHeh.
ReplyDeleteAccidentally read text with direct answer to your musings here. ;-)
""People create technology. And the smarter people are, the more perfect the technology.
Idiots can only create idiotic technology.
The development of the IT industry is a direct reflection of the development of relationships between people - and even how “human” those people and relationships are (in a good way).
Algorithms do exactly what their human developers put into them. There are no mythical “artificial intelligences” or “independently thinking” programs - there are only algorithms made by other (smart or not so) people.""
Means...
Deletethere is NO gods... from machine or whatever.
Just US.
Heh... but you are American. And as American, you too religious, to believe that that is the case.
DeleteYawn.
Ahhh, the myth of progress...
Delete*Sigh!*
Yeah.
DeleteMyth.
One that you buy to eat daily in supermarket(oh, yes, supermarkets existed ALWAYS too)
Riding mythic vehicle to do that.
And ranting through other mythic device.
And so on, so forth:-)))))
Who needs a Supermarket when there's an Amazon "Wish Fullfillment Center" just one Amazon Prime delivery away.
DeleteFYI
ReplyDeletehttps://texty.org.ua/articles/115838/how-russia-is-waging-a-shadow-war-against-the-west-data-analysis/
Yet one profound reading.
ReplyDeletehttps://texty.org.ua/articles/115157/todd-leventhalits-much-easier-for-russian-disinformation-to-work-in-other-countries-now/?src=read_next_banner&from=115751
Excerpt.
Delete""The Soviet government often spread horror stories that people believed and were willing to accept. The more horrific the details of these rumors in the stories, the more people believed them because horrible things attract attention.
New technologies create a space for rumors, manipulation, and misinformation. For example, in the 1970s, many people were initially afraid of microwaves, which became widespread at this time. These fears took story form in the rumor that someone tried to dry a wet cat in a microwave, and it exploded. As far as I know, this has never happened, but I have heard this story, as have many others. It was popular because it expressed, in the form of an easily repeatable story, fears about what was a new technology to many people in the 1970s.""
So. Basicly.
Your disdain toward new techs, which you dim as result of your free inquery...
in result are just result of cunning propaganda of enemy of USA.
YAWN.
Well... and what funniest of it -- that propaganda SUPPORTED aptly by "those who know better" in USA.
DeleteBecause they see a merit in it, on thier own -- new tech ALWAYS change structure of politics. Create NEW elites. While dethroning OLD ones. And that old -- obviously DO NOT like it.
And ready to cooperate even with Devil itself. Even if it'll lead to inevitable demise.
Yawn.
Technology is great. It's the idiots who use it that I worry about.
DeleteMisplaced comment?
DeleteNope
DeletePeople aren't ready for what's coming from technology. Humans were "selected" for co-existence in an environment of scarcity. How will they deal with an environment of "abundance"? We've seen a preview of it here in the US. As Catherine Liu calls it, a society of "virtue hoarders" (DEM/ luxury values) who create "moral hazards" for everyone around them.
DeleteThe move from wealth via actual 'Capital" to flaunting 'Social Capital'. That's what "woke" is. They believe themselves to be "good" because they don't care about mundane things like money (because they have it). They're "professionals". They're "managers". They're the Professional Managerial Class (PMC). They "virtue signal" their PMC status at every opportunity and in every social encounter. They "gate-keep" thru DEI/ ESG programs. Only the virtue signalers qualify for the surplus salaries they pretend to care so little about.
I had a friend who used to always say, "The work isn't hard, it's the people who make the work hard."
And the people have become insufferable. The tech has made them insufferable.
Abundance?
DeleteYet one BS from "those who know better", to keep hold on power.
Like just now liliPut sending people to die... while explaining it "that's for the sake of YOUR prosperity")))))
Such is the promise of AGI and the Tech Singularity... you needn't work, the robots will provide... Nirvana for techies. The "eschaton".
Delete//They believe themselves to be "good" because they don't care about mundane things like money (because they have it). They're "professionals". They're "managers". They're the Professional Managerial Class (PMC). They "virtue signal" their PMC status at every opportunity and in every social encounter. They "gate-keep" thru DEI/ ESG programs. Only the virtue signalers qualify for the surplus salaries they pretend to care so little about.
ReplyDeleteSounds like what church/religion was doing in all milenias ;-p
Which is probably why "out" groups hate them so much. It's a secular priesthood.
Delete//And the people have become insufferable. The tech has made them insufferable.
ReplyDeleteThat's what "those who know better" want you to think.
To redirect your disdain from their stupid ruling... at something else.
That's just like church was redirecting people's attention from open and obvious injustice of feudal society... at some fairytale stories about demons and Devil, from which they placed themself as self-proclaimed protectors. Protectors deserving better pay, richer life, uncontrollable power.
Because "if not us... devils will come"))))))
IT JUST THE SAME!!!!!
How you do not see????
Traditional society!
The Internet is also that hyper-reality. It's "Entertainment" to keep everyone "consuming" instead of "producing" (creating competition). The culture industry distraction for consumer culture. CONsumer, not PROsumer. Providing completed products instead of added values. It's why I like the Shanzhai IP-free world of places like Taiwan.
DeleteI was telling you that story. I dim as plausible. HOW it all started. In primordial times.
ReplyDeleteIn a stone age tribe. Made of young men and women. Because older people have died.
Which eradicated memory of the past. And such tribe was fresh and young, and full of vigor.
And natural selection have happen -- stupid and insuferable have died.
While healthy and smarty -- survived. And have progeny.
Like just any other animals out there.
In a never-ending cycle of death and birth.
But then, "miracle" happened.
That people... invented speaking.
And "caring about elder".
How? How you do think? ;-)
Isn' because that elders. Who became predestined to die. Because not able to self-serve. To find food to themself.
"Explained" to puny youth -- that they NEED to be fed and served.
Because "only they" can "talk with gods".
;-p
Ever hear of the "grandmother hypothesis"? Why do women go through menopause? So they can take care of the babies/young while mom's search for fruits/ vegetables or farm
DeleteEvolution finds a way...
DeleteCritiques and Counterarguments:
ReplyDeleteUnsustainability:
Many critiques argue that the current model of progress, driven by endless economic expansion and resource depletion, is unsustainable and ultimately harmful.
Answer: Nothing is. Even Sun will burn out. Even Universe itself will meet Termal Death.
So what???
Ignoring Limits:
ReplyDeleteSome critics point to the scientific laws of thermodynamics, limits to growth, and the concept of self-organization, arguing that these natural laws contradict the idea of endless linear progress, according to Tom Wessels in "The Myth of Progress: Toward a Sustainable Future".
Answer: And who said "linear"?????
Unintended Consequences:
Critics also highlight the negative consequences of technological advancements and economic development, such as environmental degradation, social inequality, and the potential for misuse of technology.
Answer: Not possible to workaround. Yawn.
Moral Ambiguity:
The idea of progress as a linear march towards freedom and a better world is challenged by the capacity of humans for both good and evil, and the potential for even well-intentioned advancements to be used for destructive purposes.
Answer: Phony BS. Themself "invented" "linear progress(progress actually -- exponential). Themself "invented" some phony morality. And on that phony base criticizing.))))
Loss of Connection:
ReplyDeleteSome argue that the pursuit of progress has led to a loss of connection with nature and a decline in community and meaningful relationships.
Yet one BS criticizm.
Even foster tribes DO BUILD huts and fences to SEPARATE themself from nature.
As only possible way teethless furrless apes can survive.
Lack of Hope:
Some believe that the myth of progress can create a sense of inevitability that discourages action and critical thinking about the challenges facing humanity, according to gwynethjones.coach.
Yeah. BS talking can and DO discourage.
Yawn.
^^Lots of bullshit talking^^
ReplyDeleteYawn
What a smart thing you said. Once. I commented above on copy-pasted BS. And there's lots of it, indeed.:-)
DeleteBut. No. You just a regular idiot. And you just did not grok -- what was MY comments, and what was commented, isn't it, Porky? But never the less you feeled urge to squick.:-)))
Be my guest, Porky. Do continue squicking.)))))