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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Thursday, August 28, 2025

Vibe Physics: Chatter Overheard at the Physics Water Fountain

Side Question for Google AI:
Is a Penrose blow-up a jet coming from a black hole?

No, a Penrose "blow-up" is not a jet coming from a black hole. They are distinct theoretical concepts related to black holes and general relativity.

Here is a breakdown of what each concept refers to:

Penrose blow-up (or singularity theorem)
  • What it is: The Penrose singularity theorem is a mathematical proof in general relativity showing that once matter collapses to a certain point, a spacetime singularity is inevitable. A "blow-up" in this context refers to the point in spacetime where the mathematics breaks down and quantities like density and spacetime curvature become infinite. This signifies the "end of spacetime" according to the theory.
  • Location: This singularity is located at the center of the black hole, beyond the event horizon.
  • Function: The theorem is a prediction about the internal structure of a black hole, not an external, observable event.
Jets coming from a black hole
  • What they are: Jets are powerful, collimated beams of superheated plasma that are ejected at nearly the speed of light from the poles of an active black hole.
  • Location: The jets do not originate from the singularity itself. Instead, they are launched from the magnetic and gravitational fields surrounding the black hole's event horizon, in the region of the accretion disk.
  • Function: These jets are a mechanism for the black hole system to release excess energy and mass. They can be so large that they stretch across millions of light-years.
The connection: The Penrose process vs. the singularity theorem

It's possible that the confusion arises from another concept named after Roger Penrose: the Penrose process, which is related to the energy that powers black hole jets.
  • Penrose process: A theoretical mechanism describing how a particle entering the ergosphere (a region just outside the event horizon of a rotating black hole) could split. One piece falls into the black hole with "negative energy," allowing the other piece to escape with more energy than it had initially, extracting rotational energy from the black hole.
  • Powering jets: This process, along with the Blandford–Znajek process, is a proposed explanation for how rotating black holes can fuel their incredibly powerful jets.
In summary, the Penrose singularity theorem describes the theoretical point of infinite density and curvature at the heart of a black hole, while the Penrose process is a theoretical mechanism for extracting energy from a spinning black hole, contributing to the formation of the observed jets. The jets themselves are not the singularity, but rather a byproduct of the extreme physics in the region just outside the event horizon.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

What "extreme physics"????

Have you ever tried to throw something at fast rotating things?
Or even simpler -- "jet" from under regular car wheels.

PS What a dumb shit explanation. Yawn.

Anonymous said...

//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
Cargo cult. Nice analogy. Like the myth of Progress. Waiting for the latest "tech".

That seems as genuine problem with your understanding.

That was not analogy. But direct qualifying definition.

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
The operative word appears to be "decidable". By who/ what?

Yawn. Decidable in principle. Like, in that excerpt -- even to allmighty gawd.

Yaaaaawn.

Anonymous said...

//Sounds like the rational/irrational numbers problem of the Pythagoreans. When an irrational number (sq root of 2?) was finally proven, then threw the discoverer overboard.

Only to one with stance "no-no-no... only natural numbers possible".

For one with open mind, there's no problem... should be.

Anonymous said...

//As for me, "Our intelligence cannot wall itself up alive, like a pupa in a chrysalis. It must at any cost keep on speaking terms with the universe that engendered it"

;)


One that able to admit "irrationaloty"... and move on.

Anonymous said...

//As an engineer I do know one thing. Better is often the enemy of "good enough".

That's why you are not technologist... yet? ;-p

Anonymous said...

//We'll just "tech" our way out of a confrontation with Russia.

Obviously not.

As you are just like that miserly cargo cult followers -- using/producing FAKES... while waiting em to pgive REAL things.

Like making "airplanes" out of weeds and sticks... which should unload modern fancy things, from smartphones to cushions, in commercial packs.

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

//One cannot speak of the infinite world by applying tools that are definite and finite.

Too bad. Yawn.

That dunce did not knew that our world finite too. ;-p

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

"Vibe" Physics... "it has a really cool vibe..." :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

;p

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

With what time constraint... (my basic point). Evolutionary billions of years? Infinite time?

Do you need a definite "deterministic" answer, or will a stochastic one do?

Maybe G_d is a game programmer... it doesn't program what the insides of the mountains in the distance look like.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The gods must be crazy!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

After how much time?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I usually have a deadline.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

is it? New meteors are falling onto it every day.

Anonymous said...

Universe

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Expanding

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and recycling... infinitely

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Zero point energy... on the other side of the vacuum.

This quantum vacuum energy is theorized to be enormous, but extracting it for practical use remains a significant scientific challenge due to the immense energy density and the lack of experimental methods to harvest it, though proposals involving Casimir cavities and other techniques exist.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Cassimir effect</a..

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Lambda - Cosmological constant. Lambda Cartesian Closed Category (CCC)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Oy..

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-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

^^Stupidest AI Chatbot on the Internet today^^