“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
―Philip Freneau
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Thursday, April 9, 2026
Empire Strategies and the Thucydides Trap
Meden Agan!
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\\Fireside Chat with Dr. Chris Scolese, Director, National Reconnaissance Office
Do you want me to give my comments on it? As technologist ;-p
No, no need, that was all PR. I worked for Chris when he ran the Earth Observing System Program (EOS) at NASA. That was (3) $1b satellites (Terra/ Aqua/ Aura) and a Ground/Observer System. I worked on Instruments, the 2nd bus (Aura) and the GIS ground system. He went on to becoming Chief Engineer for NASA at HQ, and eventually Acting NASA Administrator, as well as GSFC Center Director.
"" 00:00 I had and I still have a tremendous amount of persistence once I get on a puzzle I can't get off I mean if she had told me never mind it's too much work I'd have blown my top because I want to beat this damn thing""
Yeah. Totally my feelings. This idea... is a puzzle. Very interesting puzzle to solve. Indeed.
Well. For at least, about that myth of high ground.
It's enough to be higher for an inch.
Like in ww dogfights -- it was enough to have dozen more km of speed.
Or yet previously... just somewhat better guns.
Because, it is quite fun to have "we have machine guns... and they not"
But in real world, and not strategic fantasies... ehm, multiverse, if you are too owerwhelming -- it makes your adversary to choose methods against which you are not that strong (that same british battleships against german uboats)
All my ideation have a big problem. But, of a natural kind.
It's freakingly impossible to predict real world engineering landscape.
Like take for example overly detailed and live depiction of submarine by Jule Vern. He even proposed seamingly possible source of energy for it. So? What if there really was easily excavated mineral under water, as straightforward source of electricity? Would Vern-like "Nautilus" be possible?
Well, but he added some morw incredulous details... to spice up his story? or that just level of self-deception he had? That some tech breakthroughs can come from unusual places...
so, what is reality, and what is fantasy??? while we do not stand before a board with drafts... with a mere pencil trembling in our hand? moment when even that trembling... even unst#ady-drawn line can be a source of insight...
There... is no source of infornation I know, that woukd reveal -- what kind of magic happens then...
\\why doesnt it simply answer Kekulé’s question with something like: “Kekulé, it’s a bloody ring.” To which our scientist might respond: “Okay. Got it. Thanks.”
\\Why the snake? That is, why is the unconscious so loathe to speak to us? Why the images, metaphors, pictures?
Totally not a mistery for me. Cause, we thinking in 3d And our language are 1d. As I have said. We programmers struggle with it all of the time.
And did came up with structures that need to represent that metaphors and etc. Well, nor much successfully. But srill, it works... somehow
We think in 5D... sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch. Language iranslates between them, with hearing dominant (as opposed to the natural way... co-location.... which I suppose formed the basis for "logic".
What needed to launch probe into space? It need to have propultion system, isn,t it? And then, control and navigation system. And obviously a communication system, as previous ones would be useless without it.
And that all built each time from scratch. Which means skyrocketing costs each time.
And that... because modern wonders like GPS and Internet... are not available in space. Yawn.
But what if they'd do? What if we'd have space depots here and there. And wholethrough communication system...
then, probes can be just a delivered package... like things called "nanosatelites" today.
Well, that same problem with everything maritime. Well, our ships for the ocean can be much bigger then spaceships. And carry a lot of stuff.
But.
With oceanic GPS, so to say, it would be omni-presence and even ability to build everything in-place...
Dunno... maybe you feel that I trying to dismiss your efforts, with my previous... ehm, outburst? :-\
While I just trying to find a place for it inside bigger picture. As part of a whole puzzle.
Like... you have experience of working in big organizations. Much bigger than anything I did. And you have first hand understanding -- how it consist if many-many different people. And each one have own concerns. Like hydravlics engineer, his liquids to not leak and be spilled everywhere.) While electricity engineer brawling against electrocutting hazard. But same time, there is a lawyer, which naggung everyone so that all needed papers woukd be done right. Isn't it?
And that'll be a big problem in itself. Problem that rendering whole system non-working, if there'd be a discord in-between everybody involved...
That's the point isn't it? Transcendance is needed. Emergence isn't enough. Ever hear of RW Emerson and the Transcendentalist Movement? Thoreau was a disciple, and was known for his "Civil Disobedience" (going outside systems to effect change). Flatland's author was trying to demonstrate the principle...
Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions (1884) by Rev. Edwin A. Abbott is a satirical novella, written by "A Square," that uses two-dimensional geometry to explore themes of transcendence, social hierarchy, and the limitation of perspective. The story centers on a character experiencing, then struggling to conceptualize, higher dimensional spaces beyond their own.
Transcendence and Dimensionality in Flatland
The Narrative Arc: The protagonist, A Square, lives in a 2D world and is confined by its rigid social, gender, and spatial constraints.
The Experience of Transcendence: The Square is visited by a 3D Sphere, which represents a higher, unseen reality. This interaction acts as a metaphor for spiritual or intellectual enlightenment. The Limitation of Perception: The square initially cannot conceive of "up" or "down"—a third dimension—just as humans may struggle to comprehend a fourth.
The Message: The book argues that reality is not limited to what can be immediately perceived, encouraging the audience to accept the existence of higher truths and realities, including spiritual or religious ones.
Contextual Themes
Social Critique: The 2D world of triangles and circles is a direct satire of the rigid class structure and attitudes toward women in Victorian Britain.
Intellectual & Spiritual Growth: The story emphasizes that resistance to new ideas and higher perspectives is a limiting, often ignorant, state.
The Author: Edwin Abbott was a theologian and educator, which informs the book's deep interest in morality, faith, and questioning established, narrow perspectives.
Religion is all about transcendence. The Stations of the Cross represent a "Jacobs Ladder" of transcendence. The show "Station Eleven" represented another... for escaping cycles of violence, only using Shakespeare to do it. Switching from Hamlet's approaches, to Ophelia's (more damgerous).
That's kind of the point though. Luhmann's systems theory. Many different systems that don't control, but merely "influence" each other. Judicial system, education system, economic system, etc. Each with it's own "Language", one known to the "experts", but another "common knowledge" spread through "media/ communications system(s)".
...but not a "government system". The "project management team" who direct the other systems. Or the "cadre" within the teams who usually perform the "programming" role.
\\Religion is all about transcendence. The Stations of the Cross represent a "Jacobs Ladder" of transcendence. The show "Station Eleven" represented another... for escaping cycles of violence, only using Shakespeare to do it. Switching from Hamlet's approaches, to Ophelia's (more damgerous).
Oh... now it's time. It seems. To lecture about absence of transcendance.
You know? That only firm truth about this World we know... that it bound together by Chains of Causality. ;-)
So, let's assume that there really IS something "outside of the box"
Just tgat moment IT'll decide to influence something inside it -- it will be caught in a loop.
\\Was he "perfect" in the story? Or does it show the limitations of a central/ single mind?
Like it matters... yawn. People INSIDE... are powerless against him(and that's whole point of that story... I think(because I am too, just inside Lem's box ;-p))
\\The Message: The book argues that reality is not limited to what can be immediately perceived, encouraging the audience to accept the existence of higher truths and realities, including spiritual or religious ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... "one ring to rule em all". Yawn Of course, that need to be about SPIRITuality.. for all to bend their knees and start jerking before)))))
Xi seems to be having quite a bit of trouble with the military (PLA) lately... the generals are being replaced left and right... a power struggle in the CCP with the Party elders.
Plato's Theory of Forms posits that the physical world is an imperfect reflection of a higher, unchanging realm of perfect, abstract essences or "Forms". While traditional biology focuses on material mechanisms, modern interpretations apply this to suggest that biological structures (morphogenesis) are guided by a "Platonic space" of pre-existing patterns.
Key Aspects of the Theory in a Biological Context:
Ideal Patterns: The "forms" are perfect, eternal, and non-physical templates (e.g., the perfect form of a leaf). Imperfect Participation: Biological organisms are considered imperfect, temporary representations of these perfect Forms.
Platonic Space in Morphogenesis: Researchers (e.g., Dr. Michael Levin) explore a "Platonic space" as a source for biological forms, suggesting that development (morphogenesis) aims at specific, structured patterns beyond just genetic programming.
Aristotelian View vs. Platonic View: While Plato saw forms as separate from matter, Aristotle argued that forms are inherently embedded within biological objects. Most biologists adopt an Aristotelian perspective, considering form as inseparable from the organism’s structure rather than an external entity.
Evolutionary Perspective: Some perspectives suggest that forms are not fixed, but act as "evolutionary companions" or attractors that guide the potential of living systems.
This approach allows for exploring biological shapes and behavior as solutions to problems within a structured "morphospace," often navigating complex situations by choosing between different, pre-existing structural possibilities.
\\No 1st domino? No big bang? No "many" big bangs?
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 11, 2026 at 10:22 AM No power fluctuation within the Dirac Sea that allowed a new universe to "emerge" from the zero point energy vacuum?
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 11, 2026 at 10:23 AM ...and start a new "clock" (c) chain of causality?
Sorry for not being entertaining, much. It's just you treating your frames as first hand reality... well, in a way I do it too (all that "words of Lem" and etc), but difference is -- I re-examinate mine. Like... digesting food, to make it part of my body. While you seems like taking it out of frige... just to put back after observation. ;-p
Like this ideas about "forms"...
does they include notion of... atoms? ;-)
For Ancient Greeks, they was just a faint idea. While we kniw today that they just... everywhere.
So? That "ideal forms"... must consist of... "ideal atoms"?
But how can be more ideal... something 5hat already are. ;-p
Atoms are simply slow forms of light, trapped by gravity from the vacuum and slowly drifting back into the Dirac Sea from which they emerged. And the Universe is but a temporary bubble trapped within that Sea ;p
btw - The idiots who produced this video should apply the criteria used for their "economic critique" to the US. All those economic drawbacks are possessed by the US in spades. They must still believe their own propaganda...
As are two protons smashing into each other in the LHC. They simply disassemble into a more energy-pattern-recognizable and labelling process from the particle zoo catalogue. Of course if hammers were set by energy-torque values, we'd probably learn to de-code those patterns as well.
Sun Tzu's famous quote regarding knowledge of the enemy, from The Art of War, emphasizes that victory depends on understanding both sides: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles". It highlights that intelligence gathering—knowing strengths, weaknesses, and strategies—is crucial for success.
Key Interpretations of the Quote:
The Full Quote: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle".
Self-Awareness First: True understanding begins with an honest assessment of your own strengths, weaknesses, resources, and limitations.
Application: Beyond war, this principle applies to business, negotiation, and personal development by reducing uncertainty and enabling informed decision-making.
The Goal: The ultimate aim is to win by preparing, making strategy, and, if possible, subduing the enemy without fighting.
The core message is that victory is achieved through preparation, awareness, and strategy rather than just force or luck.
So what? They read the map... incorectly??? When YOU last time checked up maps? Like map of Europian part of RFia... and all othe? And map of Europe? USA?
"Knowing oneself" means also OWN limitation and weaknesses. Yawn. While you concentrate here on bare material facts -- and that is YOUR WEAKNESS USA. ;-P
You do not see, disregard emotions in oneself. And naturally -- unable to see em in others.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
They're the one's who had the right idea in Iraq, and then followed the exact wrong strategy (not supporting Moqtada al Sadr). If they had followed my advice, Iran's theocratic seat would be in Najaf and the "quietists" like Ali al Sistani would have revokes Khomeini's Weleyat al Fiqh heresy. And Persia would have been re-united under Western influence and friendship.
You don't get it. Just what do you think technofeudalism is? It's influence is so "un-related" that YOU don't see it.
Wanna know what a "Search" algorithm does? It's the "steering" in a system of cybernetic control. It gatekeeps where you're allowed to go, and who you're allowed to connect with. And once you get there, it subtly suggest where and what you should do next.
It's a system of applied Deleuzian Schizo-analysis. That's why you can't see it. It seduces via identity-attachment to sell you material and ideological products that you neither want nor need. The desires that you identify with are the desires of the other. They detach old desires, pursue a new line of flight... and temporarily re-attach them in a new constellation to complete a new "system of objects".
One that you identify with, and which together with your own self, constitute your "brand" (identity). One you then present to others as your "profile".
You say that I take your ideas in, look at them, and then put them back into the refrigerator. In other words, I don't re-attach them after pursuing the "line of flight".
A Deleuzian "line of flight" (ligne de fuite) is a path of deterritorialization—a creative escape route that ruptures established, rigid social structures or identities, allowing for transformation. Examples include the 1960s counterculture movement, creating art, abandoning a stable career for an unknown path, or digital nomads bypassing traditional work-life geography
\\It seduces via identity-attachment to sell you material and ideological products that you neither want nor need. The desires that you identify with are the desires of the other. They detach old desires, pursue a new line of flight...
Like "love toward The Party" and deire "to build communism in whole World... no, WHOLE UNIVERSE"??? @@
The Nomad: Deleuze and Guattari contrast the sedentary, structured "state" with nomads of the steppes who escape, disrupt, and bring change, acting as a direct line of flight, according to Swarthmore College.
Counterculture Movement: Leaving mainstream society (e.g., establishing hippy communities or Drop City in Colorado) rather than directly fighting it, as noted by Philosophy for Change.
Technological Shift: The creation of personal computers (e.g., the Apple I) or the Internet, allowing new forms of communication and economic structures to escape traditional corporate, state-centered structures, as described in this article from Philosophy for Change.
The "Crack-Up": A personal, emotional, or professional breaking point (like in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Crack-Up) where a person loses their old identity to become "radically new," according to a study on Deleuze Reading Fitzgerald.
Art and Literature: Creative acts that bypass established meanings, producing new perceptions and sensations.
A line of flight isn't just fleeing; it is "leaking" or "vanishing" from a strict structure to create something new, according to Wikipedia.
New technologies (like the PC) create new lines of flight.
"The Medium is the Message" (1964): McLuhan argued that the true "message" of any technology is the change in scale, pace, or pattern it introduces into human affairs. The content is merely the "juicy piece of meat" used to distract the mind.
Media as Extensions of Man: Technologies are extensions of ourselves: the wheel extends our feet, the phone extends our voice, the computer extends our brain, and electronic media extends our central nervous system.
The Global Village: He anticipated that electronic media (and later the internet) would collapse time and space, creating a highly interconnected, interdependent world that acts like a village.
Technological Determinism: McLuhan believed technology dictates human interaction and social structures, moving through stages: Tribal (oral), Literate (print), and Electronic.
Hot vs. Cool Media:
Hot Media: High-definition, low-participation (e.g., film, radio, print).
Technological Shift Example: The Gutenberg printing press transformed society by shifting the culture from a communal, oral experience to a private, visual, and analytical one, paving the way for the Reformation.
McLuhan was famously critical of the technological idiot who believes it is only "how a medium is used that counts," ignoring the inherent, transformative impact of the technology itself.
\\The "Crack-Up": A personal, emotional, or professional breaking point (like in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Crack-Up) where a person loses their old identity to become "radically new," according to a study on Deleuze Reading Fitzgerald.
Yeah-yeah-yeah... yawn. "one ring to rule em all" AKA "you NEED to have some identity!!e"
How old are you? I had my "psychic break" in 2001, right after GWB got elected (thanks to the former bloggers at George magazine and the Baltimore Sun website). I was 44 (midlife crisis). It's the point where you are forced to evaluate your own personal accomplishments and decide what you need to change.
You know my weakness (consciously). But still cannot grasp the difference (unconsciously). Simple truth that I cannot relate myself with USA. And as one whose life began under one state myth(of USSR), but then swiftly was dismantled before my very eyes... it,s hard for me to relate myself to any such myth.
Dunno how to explain. In your terms. Maybe, that I caught "mind bullet" of 10x caliber than you. And quite earlier.
So. For my today thing I can relate myself -- it's Humanity as a whole, maybe.
That's might be the reason why I so fond of Lem... he have come through similar kind experience, that forged his brilliant mind.
Yes, I grew up in a bubble. I was an Air Force brat in a foreign country trying to understand why they wanted us "gringos" to "go home". I spent much of my youth trying to grok it. Eventually I put it down to the fact that they simply didn't understand our "good wishes" for them. it wasn't until much later that I learned how "not altruistic" our foreign motives were. And worse, I learned that my government wasn't interested in protecting the domestic interests of "average Americans" either. THAT was the "mind bullet" that came in 2001.
So I started out a humanist, and was reduced to becoming a plain old nationalist. And as a nationalist, I have no interest in humanism any more as it pertains to events outside of the borders of the USA. WWII turned out to be pure propaganda... used to brainwash kids into believing in our innate goodness as a country, and our duty to combat communism (later - after 1989 - spread "democracy"). All that was a lie. All global events after 1989 were used to expand American hegemony, NOT lift up new or former allies. And in late March of 2001, the veil was finally lifted.
Ever gone from being to true believer fundamentalist into a disappointed skeptic, overnight? That was my psychic break. The paranoia became disabling. I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. The Secret Service interviewed my and took my picture, believing that I might be a threat to the new president. What they didn't know was at that point I desperately wanted to sell my soul to the new administration, and work for them. I desperately wanted to "believe" in goodness again.
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\\Fireside Chat with Dr. Chris Scolese, Director, National Reconnaissance Office
Do you want me to give my comments on it?
As technologist ;-p
No, no need, that was all PR. I worked for Chris when he ran the Earth Observing System Program (EOS) at NASA. That was (3) $1b satellites (Terra/ Aqua/ Aura) and a Ground/Observer System. I worked on Instruments, the 2nd bus (Aura) and the GIS ground system. He went on to becoming Chief Engineer for NASA at HQ, and eventually Acting NASA Administrator, as well as GSFC Center Director.
Well... wouldn't it make it more int... ehm, entertaining. Profi commented on by some neet. )))))
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I had and I still have a tremendous amount of persistence once I get on a puzzle I can't get off I mean if she had told me never mind it's too much work I'd have blown my top because I want to beat this damn thing""
Yeah.
Totally my feelings.
This idea... is a puzzle.
Very interesting puzzle to solve. Indeed.
Feynman's a hoot!
It's also what I hated about my old job. You can't turn off the puzzles when the whistle blows to go home. :((((
But you tend to wake up in the morning with some interesting solutions. :)))
;p
yeah...
Well. For at least, about that myth of high ground.
It's enough to be higher for an inch.
Like in ww dogfights -- it was enough to have dozen more km of speed.
Or yet previously... just somewhat better guns.
Because, it is quite fun to have "we have machine guns... and they not"
But in real world, and not strategic fantasies... ehm, multiverse, if you are too owerwhelming -- it makes your adversary to choose methods against which you are not that strong (that same british battleships against german uboats)
Giving it round around.
All my ideation have a big problem. But, of a natural kind.
It's freakingly impossible to predict real world engineering landscape.
Like take for example overly detailed and live depiction of submarine by Jule Vern.
He even proposed seamingly possible source of energy for it.
So?
What if there really was easily excavated mineral under water, as straightforward source of electricity?
Would Vern-like "Nautilus" be possible?
Well, but he added some morw incredulous details... to spice up his story? or that just level of self-deception he had?
That some tech breakthroughs can come from unusual places...
so, what is reality, and what is fantasy???
while we do not stand before a board with drafts... with a mere pencil trembling in our hand?
moment when even that trembling... even unst#ady-drawn line can be a source of insight...
There... is no source of infornation I know, that woukd reveal -- what kind of magic happens then...
to build-up my breadcrumbing on it.
\\why doesnt it simply answer Kekulé’s question with something like: “Kekulé, it’s a bloody ring.” To which our scientist might respond: “Okay. Got it. Thanks.”
\\Why the snake? That is, why is the unconscious so loathe to speak to us? Why the images, metaphors, pictures?
Totally not a mistery for me.
Cause, we thinking in 3d
And our language are 1d.
As I have said.
We programmers struggle with it all of the time.
And did came up with structures that need to represent that metaphors and etc.
Well, nor much successfully. But srill, it works... somehow
We think in 5D... sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch. Language iranslates between them, with hearing dominant (as opposed to the natural way... co-location.... which I suppose formed the basis for "logic".
Have you heard about Flatland?
Or more general -- about topology?
Thing is... low dimention (like 2d, 1d) limiting possible combinations.
Well, for language that is actually a blessing... allow to pack senses tightly.
But same time are The Curse Of Tersiness.
Yawn.
Yes, I read Flatland a few years ago...
But do you get it how it relates with that same Godel Incomplitness?
How it creates superficial limitations?
What needed to launch probe into space?
It need to have propultion system, isn,t it?
And then, control and navigation system.
And obviously a communication system, as previous ones would be useless without it.
And that all built each time from scratch. Which means skyrocketing costs each time.
And that... because modern wonders like GPS and Internet... are not available in space.
Yawn.
But what if they'd do?
What if we'd have space depots here and there. And wholethrough communication system...
then, probes can be just a delivered package... like things called "nanosatelites" today.
Well, that same problem with everything maritime.
Well, our ships for the ocean can be much bigger then spaceships. And carry a lot of stuff.
But.
With oceanic GPS, so to say, it would be omni-presence and even ability to build everything in-place...
Dunno... maybe you feel that I trying to dismiss your efforts, with my previous... ehm, outburst? :-\
While I just trying to find a place for it inside bigger picture. As part of a whole puzzle.
Like... you have experience of working in big organizations. Much bigger than anything I did.
And you have first hand understanding -- how it consist if many-many different people. And each one have own concerns.
Like hydravlics engineer, his liquids to not leak and be spilled everywhere.)
While electricity engineer brawling against electrocutting hazard.
But same time, there is a lawyer, which naggung everyone so that all needed papers woukd be done right.
Isn't it?
And that'll be a big problem in itself. Problem that rendering whole system non-working, if there'd be a discord in-between everybody involved...
That's the point isn't it? Transcendance is needed. Emergence isn't enough. Ever hear of RW Emerson and the Transcendentalist Movement? Thoreau was a disciple, and was known for his "Civil Disobedience" (going outside systems to effect change). Flatland's author was trying to demonstrate the principle...
Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions (1884) by Rev. Edwin A. Abbott is a satirical novella, written by "A Square," that uses two-dimensional geometry to explore themes of transcendence, social hierarchy, and the limitation of perspective. The story centers on a character experiencing, then struggling to conceptualize, higher dimensional spaces beyond their own.
Transcendence and Dimensionality in Flatland
The Narrative Arc: The protagonist, A Square, lives in a 2D world and is confined by its rigid social, gender, and spatial constraints.
The Experience of Transcendence: The Square is visited by a 3D Sphere, which represents a higher, unseen reality. This interaction acts as a metaphor for spiritual or intellectual enlightenment.
The Limitation of Perception: The square initially cannot conceive of "up" or "down"—a third dimension—just as humans may struggle to comprehend a fourth.
The Message: The book argues that reality is not limited to what can be immediately perceived, encouraging the audience to accept the existence of higher truths and realities, including spiritual or religious ones.
Contextual Themes
Social Critique: The 2D world of triangles and circles is a direct satire of the rigid class structure and attitudes toward women in Victorian Britain.
Intellectual & Spiritual Growth: The story emphasizes that resistance to new ideas and higher perspectives is a limiting, often ignorant, state.
The Author: Edwin Abbott was a theologian and educator, which informs the book's deep interest in morality, faith, and questioning established, narrow perspectives.
Religion is all about transcendence. The Stations of the Cross represent a "Jacobs Ladder" of transcendence. The show "Station Eleven" represented another... for escaping cycles of violence, only using Shakespeare to do it. Switching from Hamlet's approaches, to Ophelia's (more damgerous).
...because there is no Rescue Mission
That's kind of the point though. Luhmann's systems theory. Many different systems that don't control, but merely "influence" each other. Judicial system, education system, economic system, etc. Each with it's own "Language", one known to the "experts", but another "common knowledge" spread through "media/ communications system(s)".
Transcendence between systems through media.
The medium is the message.... be it video, audio, chemical, electrical....
Yawn.
It all tidy bits in hands of programmer... ;-p
...but not a "government system". The "project management team" who direct the other systems. Or the "cadre" within the teams who usually perform the "programming" role.
\\That's the point isn't it? Transcendance is needed.
Hardly you'll able to score much points while talking abour "transcendence"... with technologist. Yawn.
Remember professor Korkoran, from Lem's story?
one who built virtual world and placed human-like brains inside it. ;-)
Isn't him are perfectly transcendent being? ;-p
...the 20% of people who do 80% of the work (Pareto principle).
\\...but not a "government system".
like... in China? ;-p
\\The "project management team" who direct the other systems.
Dunno. Have no experience of it.
\\Or the "cadre" within the teams who usually perform the "programming" role.
)))
bwa-ha-ha!!!
Was he "perfect" in the story? Or does it show the limitations of a central/ single mind? Core-Koran. lol!
The "Society of Control" controls access, not activity. It "steers" the participants with "nudges".
...which is the beauty in technofeudalism.
...people don't consciously recognize the steering mechanism.
\\Religion is all about transcendence. The Stations of the Cross represent a "Jacobs Ladder" of transcendence. The show "Station Eleven" represented another... for escaping cycles of violence, only using Shakespeare to do it. Switching from Hamlet's approaches, to Ophelia's (more damgerous).
Oh... now it's time. It seems.
To lecture about absence of transcendance.
You know? That only firm truth about this World we know...
that it bound together by Chains of Causality. ;-)
So, let's assume that there really IS something "outside of the box"
Just tgat moment IT'll decide to influence something inside it -- it will be caught in a loop.
cybernetics
That's the point of Plato's Creator god. He sets the Universe in motion, and never again reaches inside it. Deism.
like here
His influence is already baked in to the Creation.
naaah... that's just technology.
"task... and acompanying it possibilities to accomplish it"(tm)
;-)
outdated notion
yawn
\\Was he "perfect" in the story? Or does it show the limitations of a central/ single mind?
Like it matters... yawn.
People INSIDE... are powerless against him(and that's whole point of that story... I think(because I am too, just inside Lem's box ;-p))
Entanglement. The double slit. The "observer".
G-d doesn't watch his creation. To watch "determines" the quantum outcome. There is no "Big Other" (Lacanian terms).
In Plato's version, he is "perfect".
His point is one of soul "refinement".
It was once exposed to this perfection, and seeks a return to it. It "knows" perfection when it sees it.
\\The Message: The book argues that reality is not limited to what can be immediately perceived, encouraging the audience to accept the existence of higher truths and realities, including spiritual or religious ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... "one ring to rule em all". Yawn
Of course, that need to be about SPIRITuality.. for all to bend their knees and start jerking before)))))
\\In Plato's version, he is "perfect".
Already commented just above...
The party (CCP) trusts the government?
\\Entanglement. The double slit. The "observer".
\\G-d doesn't watch his creation. To watch "determines" the quantum outcome. There is no "Big Other" (Lacanian terms).
Naah. There's no "entaglement"
You just looking at dominos falling "back in time" ;-p
Still don't get it???
Party IS government.(c)
Xi seems to be having quite a bit of trouble with the military (PLA) lately... the generals are being replaced left and right... a power struggle in the CCP with the Party elders.
The "party" is Plato's "Nocturnal Council" from "The Laws". The State's "SuperEgo".
You're a programmer... but you DON'T have a SuperEgo? Just an Ego? No nasty Id?
lol! Then why are we sitting at these machines typing, and not taking a walk thru the forest (Revelries of a Solitary Walker)?
\\The "party" is Plato's "Nocturnal Council" from "The Laws". The State's "SuperEgo".
Yeah. In strategic fantasies multiverse.
Yawn.
\\You're a programmer... but you DON'T have a SuperEgo? Just an Ego? No nasty Id?
It. Doesn't matter.
All question -- effectivity.
Can I churn better code and faster than some random AI ;-p
Anamnesis...
the "world of forms"
Plato's Theory of Forms posits that the physical world is an imperfect reflection of a higher, unchanging realm of perfect, abstract essences or "Forms". While traditional biology focuses on material mechanisms, modern interpretations apply this to suggest that biological structures (morphogenesis) are guided by a "Platonic space" of pre-existing patterns.
Key Aspects of the Theory in a Biological Context:
Ideal Patterns: The "forms" are perfect, eternal, and non-physical templates (e.g., the perfect form of a leaf).
Imperfect Participation: Biological organisms are considered imperfect, temporary representations of these perfect Forms.
Platonic Space in Morphogenesis: Researchers (e.g., Dr. Michael Levin) explore a "Platonic space" as a source for biological forms, suggesting that development (morphogenesis) aims at specific, structured patterns beyond just genetic programming.
Aristotelian View vs. Platonic View: While Plato saw forms as separate from matter, Aristotle argued that forms are inherently embedded within biological objects. Most biologists adopt an Aristotelian perspective, considering form as inseparable from the organism’s structure rather than an external entity.
Evolutionary Perspective: Some perspectives suggest that forms are not fixed, but act as "evolutionary companions" or attractors that guide the potential of living systems.
This approach allows for exploring biological shapes and behavior as solutions to problems within a structured "morphospace," often navigating complex situations by choosing between different, pre-existing structural possibilities.
\\lol! Then why are we sitting at these machines typing, and not taking a walk thru the forest (Revelries of a Solitary Walker)?
"these machines"... not based on an old coal as a fuel, but new high octane benzine ;-p
No 1st domino? No big bang? No "many" big bangs?
No power fluctuation within the Dirac Sea that allowed a new universe to "emerge" from the zero point energy vacuum?
...and start a new "clock" (c) chain of causality?
Built/ trained on the frame of programmers with SuperEgo's past?
Your "programmer" is an illusion. You were trained the same way.
There is no "I". Only a "we". ;)
Difference and Repetition...
...mind your flows. ;)
Have they built at least one machine???
Yawn.
\\Built/ trained on the frame of programmers with SuperEgo's past?
\lYour "programmer" is an illusion. You were trained the same way.
Still don't get it?
I do not reject on the base of not having ego... or whatever.
Or not agreeing with your framework.
Just pointing to that -- that it all unimportant...
as, you will not be able to sway to do something for you with sweettalks about its ego. ;-p
Only with firm coding skills
Whatever.
Show your code(tm)
\\No 1st domino? No big bang? No "many" big bangs?
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 11, 2026 at 10:22 AM
No power fluctuation within the Dirac Sea that allowed a new universe to "emerge" from the zero point energy vacuum?
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 11, 2026 at 10:23 AM
...and start a new "clock" (c) chain of causality?
Yap. No miracles. ;-p
Sorry for not being entertaining, much.
It's just you treating your frames as first hand reality...
well, in a way I do it too (all that "words of Lem" and etc),
but difference is -- I re-examinate mine.
Like... digesting food, to make it part of my body.
While you seems like taking it out of frige... just to put back after observation. ;-p
Like this ideas about "forms"...
does they include notion of... atoms? ;-)
For Ancient Greeks, they was just a faint idea.
While we kniw today that they just... everywhere.
So? That "ideal forms"... must consist of... "ideal atoms"?
But how can be more ideal... something 5hat already are. ;-p
https://youtu.be/nrmnOVjP-2A
Look up during a thunderstorm. Zeus' lightning bolts. THAT's the source code. Don't blame me if you can't "read" it.
G_d compiled it. Physics is building a de-compiler/ re-compiler. The reverse engineering is taking a long time, though. :(
Every cell in every organic process is a machine... and you... a body w/o organs? ;)
What then is desire if not an artifact of firm coding skills? Is your computer a desiring machine... or is that your role, as "coder"?
Creating inputs for transformation into outputs (the machine's feedback loop).
You don't see the Universe as a miracle? Life? Evolution?
Atoms are simply slow forms of light, trapped by gravity from the vacuum and slowly drifting back into the Dirac Sea from which they emerged. And the Universe is but a temporary bubble trapped within that Sea ;p
And there's only one electron, Mr Feynman (John Wheeler's). ;)
I'm liking this vid...
Yeah.
Just ONE ideal electron...
of which consist ALL our mundane non-ideal World.)))
Bingo!
That's right.
I can see it that way. And some other way. And some yet another way. ;-p
And well, what is so miraculous... about Evolution???
Just a trial and error of humongous scale...
Not all machines capable of it. ;-p
Yeah... hammer is also "decompiler"... when applyed on swiss clockwatches.
Yawn
btw - The idiots who produced this video should apply the criteria used for their "economic critique" to the US. All those economic drawbacks are possessed by the US in spades. They must still believe their own propaganda...
In a "form" from which Nature inexorably draws (as the laws of physics demands).
As are two protons smashing into each other in the LHC. They simply disassemble into a more energy-pattern-recognizable and labelling process from the particle zoo catalogue. Of course if hammers were set by energy-torque values, we'd probably learn to de-code those patterns as well.
Like Trump's new war with Iran. We should call him "Captain Evolution!"
Maybe they're just not focused upon controlling the media "flows". They've no self-serving reasons for doing so (they lack desire).
Sun Tzu's famous quote regarding knowledge of the enemy, from The Art of War, emphasizes that victory depends on understanding both sides: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles". It highlights that intelligence gathering—knowing strengths, weaknesses, and strategies—is crucial for success.
Key Interpretations of the Quote:
The Full Quote: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle".
Self-Awareness First: True understanding begins with an honest assessment of your own strengths, weaknesses, resources, and limitations.
Application: Beyond war, this principle applies to business, negotiation, and personal development by reducing uncertainty and enabling informed decision-making.
The Goal: The ultimate aim is to win by preparing, making strategy, and, if possible, subduing the enemy without fighting.
The core message is that victory is achieved through preparation, awareness, and strategy rather than just force or luck.
So what? They read the map... incorectly???
When YOU last time checked up maps?
Like map of Europian part of RFia... and all othe?
And map of Europe? USA?
Well, maybe you'd like this vid better?
"Knowing oneself" means also OWN limitation and weaknesses.
Yawn.
While you concentrate here on bare material facts -- and that is YOUR WEAKNESS USA. ;-P
You do not see, disregard emotions in oneself. And naturally -- unable to see em in others.
That is weakness of yuppies (young professional) ;-p
Which is natural thing.
As today decision makers -- they are from that generation.
Overly confident -- that all they need -- to be... to LOOK rational. ;-p
Nature just piles one mountain of atoms over another.
And cannot do anything else. ;-p
Utter mess creation -- trashyard piles -- is that your "ideal form"???))p
Well... that way he'd gain some consistency for at least...)))
Evolution... don't care...
Yep
But for that... we need to (want to) became smarter.
And throw aside hammer. ;-p
maybe you can watch it with translation?
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Trump is the expression of America's pent-up SuperEgo. It longs to be arbitrary and capricious in the expression of its' will to power.
Humanity? Nope. The Universe itself? Maybe.
Yeah.
Russian Propaganda.
Yawn.
...like The Gulag Archipelago or A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich... @@
Empire doesn't scare me. The idiots who would rule it do.
You gotcha.
Why not? Do you think influential ideas cannot be used as weapon??? @@
And the mire innocently and more unrelated they look like -- the better. ;-)
They're the one's who had the right idea in Iraq, and then followed the exact wrong strategy (not supporting Moqtada al Sadr). If they had followed my advice, Iran's theocratic seat would be in Najaf and the "quietists" like Ali al Sistani would have revokes Khomeini's Weleyat al Fiqh heresy. And Persia would have been re-united under Western influence and friendship.
You don't get it. Just what do you think technofeudalism is? It's influence is so "un-related" that YOU don't see it.
Wanna know what a "Search" algorithm does? It's the "steering" in a system of cybernetic control. It gatekeeps where you're allowed to go, and who you're allowed to connect with. And once you get there, it subtly suggest where and what you should do next.
The internet is one GIANT influence operation.
It's a system of applied Deleuzian Schizo-analysis. That's why you can't see it. It seduces via identity-attachment to sell you material and ideological products that you neither want nor need. The desires that you identify with are the desires of the other. They detach old desires, pursue a new line of flight... and temporarily re-attach them in a new constellation to complete a new "system of objects".
One that you identify with, and which together with your own self, constitute your "brand" (identity). One you then present to others as your "profile".
...one (a brand/ profile) which you now "genuinely pretend"... in the name of "authenticity" and "sincerity" to maintain
...because profilicity demands schizophrenia.
\\You don't get it. Just what do you think technofeudalism is? It's influence is so "un-related" that YOU don't see it.
)))
It looks like if blind man would try to reassure me... that there's NO color)))
Hey, dude!
I from post-soviet. Yawn.
All your "technofeodalisms"
Not only known and clearly seen by me.
They are freakingly damn old story)))
Cause... that's exactly what they tryed to accomplish in USSR.
YAWN!!
And they... have had MUCH MORE power. And much more resources for that.
You say that I take your ideas in, look at them, and then put them back into the refrigerator. In other words, I don't re-attach them after pursuing the "line of flight".
A Deleuzian "line of flight" (ligne de fuite) is a path of deterritorialization—a creative escape route that ruptures established, rigid social structures or identities, allowing for transformation. Examples include the 1960s counterculture movement, creating art, abandoning a stable career for an unknown path, or digital nomads bypassing traditional work-life geography
\\It seduces via identity-attachment to sell you material and ideological products that you neither want nor need. The desires that you identify with are the desires of the other. They detach old desires, pursue a new line of flight...
Like "love toward The Party" and deire "to build communism in whole World... no, WHOLE UNIVERSE"??? @@
Key Examples and Concepts:
The Nomad: Deleuze and Guattari contrast the sedentary, structured "state" with nomads of the steppes who escape, disrupt, and bring change, acting as a direct line of flight, according to Swarthmore College.
Counterculture Movement: Leaving mainstream society (e.g., establishing hippy communities or Drop City in Colorado) rather than directly fighting it, as noted by Philosophy for Change.
Technological Shift: The creation of personal computers (e.g., the Apple I) or the Internet, allowing new forms of communication and economic structures to escape traditional corporate, state-centered structures, as described in this article from Philosophy for Change.
The "Crack-Up": A personal, emotional, or professional breaking point (like in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Crack-Up) where a person loses their old identity to become "radically new," according to a study on Deleuze Reading Fitzgerald.
Art and Literature: Creative acts that bypass established meanings, producing new perceptions and sensations.
A line of flight isn't just fleeing; it is "leaking" or "vanishing" from a strict structure to create something new, according to Wikipedia.
\\You say that I take your ideas in, look at them, and then put them back into the refrigerator
Tsk-tsk-tsk...
Not my ideas. Your OWN.
And I may be wrong. That is just from my POV.
But. I don't see it, don't feel it -- that you'd put em under analising
New technologies (like the PC) create new lines of flight.
"The Medium is the Message" (1964): McLuhan argued that the true "message" of any technology is the change in scale, pace, or pattern it introduces into human affairs. The content is merely the "juicy piece of meat" used to distract the mind.
Media as Extensions of Man: Technologies are extensions of ourselves: the wheel extends our feet, the phone extends our voice, the computer extends our brain, and electronic media extends our central nervous system.
The Global Village: He anticipated that electronic media (and later the internet) would collapse time and space, creating a highly interconnected, interdependent world that acts like a village.
Technological Determinism: McLuhan believed technology dictates human interaction and social structures, moving through stages: Tribal (oral), Literate (print), and Electronic.
Hot vs. Cool Media:
Hot Media: High-definition, low-participation (e.g., film, radio, print).
Cool Media: Low-definition, high-participation/interactivity (e.g., TV, internet, telephone).
Technological Shift Example: The Gutenberg printing press transformed society by shifting the culture from a communal, oral experience to a private, visual, and analytical one, paving the way for the Reformation.
McLuhan was famously critical of the technological idiot who believes it is only "how a medium is used that counts," ignoring the inherent, transformative impact of the technology itself.
\\The "Crack-Up": A personal, emotional, or professional breaking point (like in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Crack-Up) where a person loses their old identity to become "radically new," according to a study on Deleuze Reading Fitzgerald.
Yeah-yeah-yeah... yawn.
"one ring to rule em all" AKA "you NEED to have some identity!!e"
You could be right.
How old are you? I had my "psychic break" in 2001, right after GWB got elected (thanks to the former bloggers at George magazine and the Baltimore Sun website). I was 44 (midlife crisis). It's the point where you are forced to evaluate your own personal accomplishments and decide what you need to change.
I got hit with a mind bullet that completely deterritorialized my former identity.
But not freed you from "need" to have one...
Perfidious Ruskies! ;)
Nope. Just been given a proper awareness. Before 2001 I was a very loyal American. Now I "know myself" (and my country) a little more realistically.
@@
...or "America, my country right or wrong..."
You know my weakness (consciously).
But still cannot grasp the difference (unconsciously).
Simple truth that I cannot relate myself with USA.
And as one whose life began under one state myth(of USSR), but then swiftly was dismantled before my very eyes...
it,s hard for me to relate myself to any such myth.
Dunno how to explain. In your terms.
Maybe, that I caught "mind bullet" of 10x caliber than you. And quite earlier.
So. For my today thing I can relate myself -- it's Humanity as a whole, maybe.
That's might be the reason why I so fond of Lem...
he have come through similar kind experience, that forged his brilliant mind.
Well... without it, we'd be just a crowd of nomads (and maybe even cannibals)
yawn.
I just tryed it.
That nut button gives (auto-translation), which renders even intonation.
Magic of AI ;-)
Yes, I grew up in a bubble. I was an Air Force brat in a foreign country trying to understand why they wanted us "gringos" to "go home". I spent much of my youth trying to grok it. Eventually I put it down to the fact that they simply didn't understand our "good wishes" for them. it wasn't until much later that I learned how "not altruistic" our foreign motives were. And worse, I learned that my government wasn't interested in protecting the domestic interests of "average Americans" either. THAT was the "mind bullet" that came in 2001.
So I started out a humanist, and was reduced to becoming a plain old nationalist. And as a nationalist, I have no interest in humanism any more as it pertains to events outside of the borders of the USA. WWII turned out to be pure propaganda... used to brainwash kids into believing in our innate goodness as a country, and our duty to combat communism (later - after 1989 - spread "democracy"). All that was a lie. All global events after 1989 were used to expand American hegemony, NOT lift up new or former allies. And in late March of 2001, the veil was finally lifted.
Ever gone from being to true believer fundamentalist into a disappointed skeptic, overnight? That was my psychic break. The paranoia became disabling. I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. The Secret Service interviewed my and took my picture, believing that I might be a threat to the new president. What they didn't know was at that point I desperately wanted to sell my soul to the new administration, and work for them. I desperately wanted to "believe" in goodness again.
I... did reveal it to you? Or that is my memory playing with me?
That I got realization of my mortality, that I would die, and WILL die. At 5-6 year age.
What mind breaks can be more disastrous than that???
\\ it wasn't until much later that I learned how "not altruistic" our foreign motives were.
That... does not matter even.
Inertia.
THEY... would not like being uplifted... even if you'd that out of purest angelic motives.
Inertia.
I was asking about Strugatsky's
Cause their "It's hard to be god" is about it alone.
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