Saturday, August 2, 2014

Seeking Redemption?

12 comments:

Jen Nifer said...

I like something about Sinead...a lot of things, in fact.

I don't know that she's seeking redemption. It seems that she's redefined her relationship to God, and what "church" means to her.


I can't argue with anything she says here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB9F6YoyxJA

Joe Conservative said...

I like O'Conner too, although I find her position "against" the Catholic Church a bit over-presumptuous.

It seemed in the video that she might be moderating her stance a bit.. finding perhaps something beneficial in "group" worship that wasn't there before.

At least, I hope that's the case.

Jen Nifer said...

finding perhaps something beneficial in "group" worship that wasn't there before.

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Yeah, could be. Did you watch the video I pasted?

I am a little confused as to how she discusses the Holy Spirit, and that we can go directly to Christ without an intermediary (priest), but then still claims to be Catholic. But hey, some things that are planted early tend to take deep root in the soul.

I love that we've been able to see the changes she's experienced through her life. (or at least SOME of the changes...) I love that she fails big, and just keeps living. She's also talked extensively about her depression / bipolar / mental illness.

-FJ said...

Yes, I watched it.

She also spoke of her "ordination" as a Catholic priest...

I suspect that much of her anger lies in Catholic Doctrine. She shares the passion that many other gays who gave found themselves condemned for factors which seemed entirely out of their control, both sexuality and gender selection. I sympathize with their plight, but don't expect them to ever attain the acceptance and/or recognition that they seek.

“Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision.” – Chesterton, "Orthodoxy" (1908)

-FJ said...

As for me, I find the following quote from Chesterton a bit too appealing...

“The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.” – "A Defense of Humilities, The Defendant" (1901)

...to my vanity.

He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative.”

-FJ said...

"What embitters the world is not excess of criticism, but an absence of self-criticism.” – Chesterton "Sidelights on New London and Newer New York"

Jen Nifer said...

“Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision.” – Chesterton, "Orthodoxy" (1908)

Okay, this is an interesting quote. Seems to me that this is exactly the kind of "progress" that's taking place in our country. I assume Chesterton didn't have that in mind, but still...it all depends on your point of view.

Jen Nifer said...

He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative.”
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love it!

"What embitters the world is not excess of criticism, but an absence of self-criticism.” – Chesterton "Sidelights on New London and Newer New York"
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Yes, but it needs to be the right kind of self-criticism. The kind that fosters growth and change.

Jen Nifer said...

Fj, I'm a little surprised that you're a fan of Chesterton.

:-)

Thersites said...

Really? I would have thought him a kindred spirit.

Jen Nifer said...

Oh, me too. I'm glad you like him.
:-)

-FJ said...

Anybody who loved to argue against Shaw and Wilde can't be all bad. ;)