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...We could be wrong. We could be spectacularly wrong. But it's also possible that science is missing a profound truth about the cosmos. We have these 10 or so laws of nature, only one of which currently has an arrow of time. That's the second law of thermodynamics, the increase in entropy-it's disorder; it's decay. We all grow old. We all die. But the second law doesn't explain why things evolve; why life emerges from non-life. You look around, and you see flowers bloom and trees blossom and birds sing. It seems like all of those things are counter to the idea of disorder. In fact, it's a kind of ordering of nature.
So let me tell you what we think: We think there's a missing law, a second arrow of time that describes this increase in order, and we think has to do with an increase in information.
So there's two possibilities. We could just be wrong. We could be terribly wrong, dramatically wrong. But I think, if we're wrong, we're wrong in a very interesting way. And I think, if we're right, it's profoundly important.
I'm Bob Hazen. I'm a Staff Scientist at the Earth and Planets Laboratory of Carnegie Science in Washington, D.C. I do mineralogy, astrobiology. I love science.
We think that, for some reason, there's been missing a second arrow of time. And that arrow has to do with an increase of information, an increase in order, an increase of patterning that goes side by side with the arrow of increasing disorder and increasing chaos, entropy.
The core of everything we've been thinking about, in terms of the missing law, is evolution. When I say the word "evolution," you immediately think of Darwin, but this idea of selection goes much, much beyond Darwin and life. It applies to the evolution of atoms. It applies to the evolution of minerals. It applies to the evolution of planets and atmospheres and oceans. Evolution, which we see as being an increase in diversity, of patterning, in complexity of systems through time.
And so the question is, "Well, what is evolution?" Evolution is simply "selection for function." And this applies to every kind of system.
Now, in life, you select for organisms that can survive long enough that they can reproduce and have offspring that will pass on their characteristics. That's what Darwin said, and that's one very important example of selection for function.
But, in the mineral world, you select for organizations, of assemblies, of structures of atoms that persist, that can last billions of years even in new environments. They don't break down. They don't dissolve. They don't weather away. It's very analogous to biological evolution, but it's different in detail. We think there's a missing law- it's a law of evolution.
And, if there is a law, it has to be quantitative. It has to have a metric. You have to be able to measure something. And what we've zeroed in on is a fascinating concept about information, but not just information in general, something called 'functional information.'
Let me see if I can explain this to you 'cause it took me a while to figure it out myself. Imagine a system, an evolving system that has the potential to form vast numbers of different configurations. Let's say they're atoms to make minerals, and you have dozens of different mineral-forming elements, and they can arrange themselves in all different ways. And 99.99999999- I can keep going- percent of those configurations won't work. They will fall apart. They'll never form. A tiny, tiny fraction makes a stable mineral, and you end up with a few stable minerals and lots of rejects.
Now, all you need to do is think about that fraction. If it's one in a hundred trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion possibilities that's stable, then you can represent that fraction as information. And because it's such a tiny, tiny fraction, you need a lot of bits of information to do that- that's functional information.
Evolution is simply an increase in functional information because, as you select for better and better outcomes, you select for minerals that are more and more stable. You select for living things that can swim. They can fly. They can see. You need more information, and each step of the evolutionary ladder leads you to increasing functional information.
So, our law, our missing law, the second arrow of time is called the 'Law of increasing functional information.' And that's the parallel arrow of time that we think is out there that we want to understand.
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...So think about this: We're saying that the coffee cup has value as a coffee cup. It has some value as a paperweight, but it has no value as a screwdriver- that's contextual.
So this is why the second arrow of time is difficult for science because it's saying there's something in the natural world that is not absolute. It's contextual. It depends on what your purpose is. It depends on what your function is.
If it's true, what we're saying is there's something in the Universe that is increasing order, it's increasing complexity, and it isn't doing this in a random way. It's selecting for function.
And if it is, if you're selecting for function, it means that there almost seems to be, can I use the word "purpose?"
Do minerals have a purpose? Do atmospheres have a purpose? Does life have a purpose?
To me, there's something real there, and the old way of thinking of a single arrow of time no longer rings true to me.
Sounds like "hindsight" relative to an observer to me, just as Entropy is a "foresight". Epimetheus/ Prometheus, all "Science" narratives and myths (like wave-particle duality in the slit experiment) involving "time" are relative to an "observer" and his sensory "instruments".
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BS.
In my school textbook it was explained -- how thermodynamics works.
If you'll turn upside down basket with ping-pong balls -- they'll scatter all around (or... open can of worms ;-P).
And you'd need a lot of time and effort -- to collect em all back.
And... you'd never be able to do it EXACTLY same way as they was before, in that basket.
Yawn.
As to "increase of complexity" -- that is an illusion.
That exist solely because of thermodynamics laws being NON-LINEAR.
Go look into
Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction
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PS Well... that is relatively new information (though exist for several decades)... so, there is no surprise that you not know it.
But... that is EXACTLY the case of "Ancient Wisdoms grow imprecise and even OUTDATED... with time".
You cannot step into the same river twice, but that doesn't mean that the river has no "form" determined by its "context" (the land forms around it). It serves no "function" but to channel the rainwater that falls, and continue the gravitational potential energy diminishment process by allowing it to seek its' lowest energy state (equillibrium) in an ocean or lake. Its' aggregational form (river) is purely local and contextual.
\\You cannot step into the same river twice, but that doesn't mean that the river has no "form" determined by its "context" (the land forms around it).
Is there a reason to talk/think about it even? Yawn.
We -- cannot control that context (until... NEW tech? ;-))
\\ It serves no "function" but to channel the rainwater that falls, and continue the gravitational potential energy diminishment process by allowing it to seek its' lowest energy state (equillibrium) in an ocean or lake.
Yap.
You perfectly capable to perceive and attest the river...
but still far away from seeing and understanding... cloud. ;-)
But...
cloud do fill that river. With a raindrops.
It collected in itself... when was formed far-far-away.
In an eternal(?) NON-LINEAR process. ;-)
\\Its' aggregational form (river) is purely local and contextual.
That is just a map... not territory. ;-)
Just a pale shadow on a cave's wall.
Not THING itself.
Just a bones of late dead corps... not a living flesh.
https://essaygpt.hix.ai/essay-topics/greek-mythology
And. ;-P
https://essaygpt.hix.ai/essay-topics/philosophical-theories
Cosmic rays didn't seed Aristophanes "Clouds". The were more akin to the "crowds" in the Athenian agora. ;P
\\Cosmic rays didn't seed Aristophanes "Clouds".
And how'd you know? ;-P
Cosmic rays from galaxy Far-Far-Away did hit microtubes in brains of that Ancient Greeks... and made em do what they did. ;-)
I guess we need your "tech" to investigate and find out, then...
As for me, I don't need an object (commodity) fetish to serve as a stand-in for the pursuit of social relations. I offer my "right opinions" on social matters, gratis, the "meta-modern' internet psycho-politics sales way
...for the agora and face-to-face marketing has all but disappeared.
...I guess it beats prancing amongst the stoa with the stoics, Peripatetically. Perhaps nothing beats a Kantian stroll or Rousseauian reverie like sitting my fat ass on a couch and typing.
Maybe the psychogeography of a de'rive can inspire the nobler sort of thoughts.
A journey beyond the torii, beyond the mundane and into the sacred to observe and contemplate the shintai (not your tech).
\\I guess we need your "tech" to investigate and find out, then...
B-)
\\...for the agora and face-to-face marketing has all but disappeared.
Yeah... guerilla marketing do not exist... ;-P
you better believe that, for it to work flawlessly.
\\A journey beyond the torii, beyond the mundane and into the sacred to observe and contemplate the shintai (not your tech).
They have shit kami. ;-P
So, be advised. ;-)
Naaaah. Same gods, different names.
PS - the Beckett post has Russian subtitles. ;P
Do you think I shitting you? ;-P
KAWAYA-NO-KAMI
Shinto Toilet Deities
Also known as Kawaya-Kami, Mawaya-No-Kami
Extremely hygenic toilet deities
These are very busy Kami who deal with toilets and the associated bodily functions. If you are having trouble with your plumbing, give them a call.
According to legend, the Kawaya-no-Kami were born from the bodily wastes of creator gods Izanagi and Izanami, which fell down to Earth with a cosmic splat. You’d better believe that deities poop — and their holy excrement can produce miracles.
The Kawaya-no-Kami also look after gynecological diseases, optical care and dentistry. We just hope they scrub up first.
https://www.godchecker.com/japanese-mythology/KAWAYA-NO-KAMI/
\\PS - the Beckett post has Russian subtitles. ;P
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Early Romans were an agrarian civilization and, functionally, most of their original pantheon of gods — as against the later ones they adapted to Greek stereotypes — were of a rural nature with figures such as Pomona, Ceres, Flora, Dea Dia; so it was apt to have a god supervising the basics of organic fertilization. Sterquilinus essentially taught the use of manure in agricultural processes. He was not the sole deity of feces on its own; as in, sewage.
Modern writers later elaborated upon and exaggerated the significance of Sterquilinus/Sterculius and other "earthy" deities of antiquity, sometimes with moralistic disapproval. One editor of An Encyclopædia of Plants, published in 1836, related that
Sterculius was the god of the privy, from stercus, excrement. It has been well observed by a French author, that the Romans, in the madness of paganism, finished by deifying the most immodest objects and the most disgusting actions. They had the gods Sterculius, Crepitus, Priapus; and the goddesses Caca, Pertunda, &c, &c.[4]
Closed Captioned for the English impaired. ;)
...&c, &c.[4]
I... will use it. :-)
Well... that is stories of ancient times... and what I mentiuoned -- actual thing. ;-P
Yes, but the actual thing, the objet petit 'a, has the habit of constantly metamorphosising. :(
petit'a??? Pile of shit? %^))))))))))
Object cause of desire... but from stomach, smell, excessive heat, which "cause"?
For a scarab? ;-P
Aristophanes "dung beetle" from "Peace"?
Peace, comedy by Aristophanes, performed at the Great Dionysia in 421 bce. The plot concerns the flight to heaven on a monstrous dung beetle by a war-weary farmer, Trygaeus (“Vintager”), who searches for the lost goddess Peace only to discover that the God of War has buried her in a pit.
Yep, sounds about right.
Scarabaeus viettei
Still... only related to shit... not shit itself.
Well, Japanese used it as fertilizer, instead of manure.
Means, what you depend on -- looks more sacred. (and DEMNs looks like depend on Bi-den)
The soil and plants slowly absorb manure because it's insoluble in water. Fertilizers dissolve quickly in water and boost plants almost instantly.
You can only use what you have... in the water-filled rice paddies.
...and Biden's all they've got.
Well... dRump's do not look any more yummy. ;-P
BTW... Russians talk about USA with a glee... and compare it with times of demise of USSR...
Well... talks like about inflation and responsibility for it of any POTUS -- is BS by itself.
Technically, ANY POTUS can down it to 0% or even below. ;-P
But... same time all economy will go... South(that is the saying).
So... it always are trade-offs: between rate of inflation, soundness of economy and people's perceptions of well-being... damn nightmarish equation in itself.
Especially, as many parts of it -- even not formalized, not formalizable.
And there is big extent of all kinds of "surprises" (like COVID or RFia's war).
That's why that all babbling about Climate Change and how it all scientifical --- is utter buffony.
But... there is No One who'd made step forward and admit "We Totally and Utterly DUNNO what we are doing". :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
So... it all endlless "Emperor's New Clothes"... not exactly feiry-like tale. ;-P
It's EXACTLY like the fall of the USSR. The hypernormalized neoliberal lies collapse into "reality".
\\It's EXACTLY like the fall of the USSR.
Naaah. :-))))))))))))))))))))
That's their wet dreams. ;-P
So you're right, Trump is not something "more yummy". He's a hammer to be used to smash the current political idols.
...to be smashed again, in turn.
...until "alchemy" in politics is banished. And a rule OF law, not a rule BY law, returns.
...laws being Kantian "categorical imperatives".
“The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
― Tacitus, "The Annals of Imperial Rome"
Tacitus: Origin:Latin. Other Origin(s):Roman. Meaning:Silent, mute. Tacitus is a boy's name. Name of a famous Roman historian (100 AD)
Ever watch or play the game "Jeopardy". The correct "questions" always derive from their double-clued answer. The contestant must guess the question, from the answer.
\\ He's a hammer to be used to smash the current political idols.
If you are sure that limp dick is perfect tool for a virgin penetration.
Yawn.
\\...to be smashed again, in turn.
There... could be problems...
\\...until "alchemy" in politics is banished. And a rule OF law, not a rule BY law, returns.
Those who like sosages and honor laws...
There is an old saying attributed to Prince Bismarck that “to retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making.” The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations has the epigram listed in the Misquotations section because of its flawed association with Bismarck [ODQB]:Jul 8, 2010
Laws are Like Sausages. Better Not to See Them Being Made
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\\...laws being Kantian "categorical imperatives".
%-)))
But there are good sci-fi story on it.
About Three Laws of Robotechnics.
That some dumb dude decided that Just Three is not enough -- so he started teaching his robots new and new ones... until that robot killed him.
And when investigating detective came and started questioning him/it: "but what about robotic law Do Not Kill Humans???", that answered "ah??? was there such law? which number of em? 1001th??? 10.068th?" ;-P
...only because the guarantor of any Law is always its' exception.
...the human body which grants "clemency/ mercy".
That's just because calling human's laws -- laws, is misnomer. ;-p
You'd prefer "coercions"? The point of calling it a "law" is to make it something you WANT to obey, not be reminded of the force that will be applied if you don't.
Is it?
What can make WANT to pay taxes?
Or WANT to go to jail?
People either understand Reality... or, they do not.
And then, it need some fixes applied.
Yawn.
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Exemplified that case in its entirety. IMHO.
But... only in a movie that can be highlighted as such a lighthearted and funny INDIVIDUAL case...
while our life CONSIST of it, entierly.
Sigh.
To the level becoming patches over patches.
Until becoming "Teseus ship".
Yawn.
Like in that experiment with monkeys...
sic semper tyranus!
I feel NO empathy... ?
I must be a psychopath.
And for what you need empathy?
It all depend on your goal.
Yawn.
What a blast... ;-P
Psychopaths make great soldiers... cuz who wants to show empathy for schmucks trapped in a tank when the magazine is breached and all the stored rounds start cooking off? Reminds me of the Vietnam days before they stopped using tanks altogether cuz it was nasty work washing out the burnt human remains with firehoses. Bad for morale, anyways of the still possessing "empathy" and therefore susceptible to future PTSD.
Naaaah. That's just wrong motivation.
Yawn.
See, like Derpy -- he have RIGHT motivation.
And see No Prob in "bad" people punished/murdered.
That's just losy propaganda/brainwashing.
Yawn.
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These ideas evoke comparisons to Orwell, and to the British novelist’s famous depiction of Stalinism in 1984 (1949). But in his letters to Kandel, Lem claimed that Orwell had gotten Stalinism wrong. Whereas Orwell described his dystopian regime as “a boot stamping on a human face — forever,” Lem argued that communist oppression was not a sadistic evil pursued for its own sake but a natural result of turning state ideology into dogma. Similarly, Lem critiqued Hannah Arendt’s analysis of totalitarianism, writing that “she made out these systems to be fruit of strictly intentional evil.” Rather, he writes, “Stalin’s times concocted a myth, never concretely or cogently expressed, of the state as a machine that was not only perfect, but also omniscient and omnipotent.” For Lem, the tragic consequences weren’t the result of premeditated cruelty, but the logical outcome of turning politics into faith.
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Well... he was inherently a city dweller... and did not understand -- that that is just a traditional society behavioral quirks. "Our shaman TOLD us... that mean we need obey... without thinking". Well... that "without thinking" is my/late addition -- traditional society DUNNO what thinking is (that's why your tries with Derpy is useless -- it's not possible to find thinking there where it none -- ubi nihil nihil -- "where is nothing, there is nothing") ;-P
Do you rednecks or hillbillies have a PTSD from cutting neck of a rooster? ;-P
Beheading turkey for a Thanks-Giving? ;-P
That's why peasants become good soldiers. ;-P
Proved in all wars... since primordial times.
That's the reason of abundance of PTSD in USA army -- to many city dwellers. ;-P
I don't disagree with your diagnosis. I'm was an avid hunter/ fisherman in my youth. The first few "guttings" made me queesy. The first few game "sightings" gave me "buck fever". I eventually got over them. But city people? They NEVER get over them. It's the urban-rural divide. Urban centralization vs rural self-reliance.
In the USA the cities all vote "democrat" and the counties all vote "republican". The problem with our democracy today is that there are more people in the cities now.
In Plato's "Laws", the Athenian Stanger divides the lands of the Republic of Magnesia into non-transferable (except to descendants) plots that give every citizen both a "city" lot, and a "country" lot, and the citizens must live between the two (where population is 'fixed' and must not grow).
\\The problem with our democracy today is that there are more people in the cities now.
Naaah. That is sole reason USA have democracy.
Two more-less equal, but differ social bodies.
That's my own thought on what democracy is... feel free to criticize. Or dismiss. ;-P
Again, you know my position. Meden agan.
In respect to (such?) democracy? No.
Every system of "authority" and/or "government" requires a "noble lie" to sustain it. In every "Republic" of Plato, you must "discover" the noble lie upon which it built. In the Republic it was "luxury" and the lie was that there were people who would could be brainwashed into not wanting it (the Guardians... Philosopher Kings). But the brainwashing breaks down. So you separate "powers" which works until the "powers" get un-separated.
So I admire the "middle"... the period of a Republic's "peacetime"... when it is no longer at war with itself. Unfortunately I live in America's end times, where the cycle must be renewed.
\\Again, you know my position. Meden agan.
It is... meaningless. Dynamic Equilibrium.(tm)
Middle-ground Fallacy.
Imagine yourself in NewYork. Their street full of cars going here and there. Crowdy pedastrain paths. And skyscreppers on the sides of it.
Your "Meden Agan" -- where it is in such setup???
In the middle of that street??? In-between cars going here and there???
That is not only unstable, unsafe and unwise... that is bona fide CRIMINAL, to stay there... for too long. ;-P
\\ Every system of "authority" and/or "government" requires a "noble lie" to sustain it.
White Lies???
We EXIST because we are proficient in it.
Telling em to others. Telling it to ourself.
Yawn.
Like that telling to our children -- that there is Santa.
\\In every "Republic" of Plato, you must "discover" the noble lie upon which it built. In the Republic it was "luxury" and the lie was that there were people who would could be brainwashed into not wanting it (the Guardians... Philosopher Kings).
"Those who like sausages and honor laws... better not look into how made this and that" (c) ;-P
\\But the brainwashing breaks down. So you separate "powers" which works until the "powers" get un-separated.
Generational problem.
Yawn.
Have you a quarrel(or two) with your son? ;-)
Well... yeah, you not. You are too DEMN civilized. ;-P
\\So I admire the "middle"... the period of a Republic's "peacetime"... when it is no longer at war with itself. Unfortunately I live in America's end times, where the cycle must be renewed.
Yep.
With NEW tech. ;-)
Persistence...
...not existence.
You know too well -- I am not equipped to discern such a feeble fuzzy subtle poetic differences.
Sorry...
..and yet you "live". Amazing!
Sartre "existence precedes essence"?
"persistence precedes existence" ;)
generation from opposites.
...unless you prefer asexuality, of course. ;P
"attack of the clones"! ;)
???
Language... it's common denominator, which allow to transmit only common sense things...
Yes, but the fun lies in the qui pro quo... the esoteric "misunderstandings". ;)
Is it?
I like feeling of epiphany from understanding.
And not understanding... can serve as good spicing out, as when something you fought hard to understand, suddenly became open and clear.
But...
Or the difference between a "high culture" epiphany (Homer's "Odysse"y)... and a "low culture" one (like Joyce's "Dubliners").
Your mind, momentarily distracted snaps into focus. "Eureka!" yelled the Syracusan!
...out of the boredom/ tedium of concentrated study. Puts 2 and 2 together... and together again:
courage:temperance::wisdom:justice
creating a line of flight between two concepts hidden in the information rhyzome.
\\Your mind, momentarily distracted snaps into focus. "Eureka!" yelled the Syracusan!
So, what was the question, again? ;-)
;P
:)
Archimedes... I am NOT!
Medes were "Persians", weren't they? They were in the Cyropaedia of Xenophon, anyways. In Syracuse? Who knows what an arch-medes is?
Glad it was YOUR-eeek-a and not mine.
Got any more Rorschach tests I can free-associate on?
;P
:)
OK, Google "meme 42 is the answer" ;-P
As well as pretty much EVERY good piece of sci-fi. ;-)
Definitely worth the wait...
As for me, I would have likely pulled the plug, and restarted.
To not know THE QUESTION? ;-P
To ask the right one.
Cuz like HAS no meaning, but that of which you make of it in HINDSIGHT. ;p
...Epimetheus blurted out.
Prometheus, bound to the rocks by Kratos and Bia, patiently awaited the eagle to arrive, and daily eat out his liver...
...are you my Eagle, Q?
Or Kratos revisiting?
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\\ To ask the right one.
OK, Google. "meme 42 explained"
Well... there you can read lots of non-answers. ;-P
Merely. It is a gnoseological paradox -- centered on what "understanding" is.
Do you really understand thing(s)... if you know The Answer??? Ready-made. Provided to you free of charge. Without your mind involved.
Or... better if that is result of your OWN researches and thoughts about.
Another word -- are you Pythagoras... or you just a schoolboy? ;-)
\\...are you my Eagle, Q?
I am?
I am Deamon AKA Demonstrator of Dementions ;-P
PS If I remember correctly, it explained in the beginning of the first book... or that was second? ;-P
Sounds like another fine myth you've gotten me into, Daemon (@ 2:05).
Nietzsche was a philologist before becoming a philosopher. :)
A philologist is someone who studies the history of languages, especially by looking closely at literature. If you're fascinated with the way English has changed over time, from Beowulf to Beloved, you might want to become a philologist. Linguistics is the study of language, and a philologist is a type of linguist.
So I guess I'm just a schoolboy. :)
If you DO NOT like to build up knowledge...
it seems -- you are.
At least I didn't come to "buy and sell". I came to watch the Info Games, not Compete. :P
All I bring to the games is a twisted sense of humour. :)
...garnered and honed as one who has sailed on a ship of fools for far too long.
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