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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

## Sunday, December 11, 2022

### Light Emitting Dark Matter? Axion Decay?

An axion (/ˈæksiɒn/) is a hypothetical elementary particle postulated by the Peccei–Quinn theory in 1977 to resolve the strong CP problem in quantum chromodynamics (QCD). If axions exist and have low mass within a specific range, they are of interest as a possible component of cold dark matter.

Q said...

And?

Joe Conservative said...

The universal theory is complete.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

There is an unexplicable "excess" of photons.

Q said...

\\The universal theory is complete.

Meh... "universal" theories always complete... until new facts found.

That is single thing that seems like true about all that child's play called science. ;-P

Q said...
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

When an axion passes through a magnetic field, it might give up a photon and decay from dark "matter" to dark "energy", thereby creating the vacuum of space with it's new now "negative" mass, accounting for the gravity reversal/acceleration/expansion of galaxies within dark matter "bubbles/cells" that form the "gravity field structures" between galaxy clusters.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The constant "decay" of dark matter is what replenishes the dark energy during expansion, but once entirely used up from the structures and decay of normal matter into these less-dense states (entropy) the accelerating anti-gravitational effects would reverse?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...Epicycles.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...could be.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...but it makes for a great and complete "unified-universe" theory.

Q said...

Again.

Every "unified-universe theory" IS like that.
They promice they explain everything... and failing.
Lindy Effect? ;-P

\\When an axion passes through a magnetic field, it might give up a photon and decay from dark "matter" to dark "energy", thereby creating the vacuum of space with it's new now "negative" mass

Not sure about that -- photon that is energy, how it can create "negative mass"?

Well, whatever. Definite answer would need new "dark matter telescopes".
And to build one we'd need new techs

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sorry, this one's my first "unified-universal theory". I only had a "partial" paradigm of understanding until now.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Mass is a strange term. It may not mean what you think it means.

Joe Conservative said...
Q said...

\\Sorry, this one's my first "unified-universal theory".

\\Mass is a strange term. It may not mean what you think it means.

Yeah. Universe is Matrix. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I wasn't born in Newton's day and Newton knew nothing of the quantum scale?

Q said...

Newton discovered quants of light. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

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Q said...

Ehm???

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It's call an *eyeroll*... @@

Q said...

I get it... that much. :-)

Only, eye-rolling to an obvious mundane trivia.,.. that is something.

Q said...

Newton's Corpuscular Theory Statement
According to the Newton's corpuscular theory: Light is made up of tiny particles called 'corpuscles' having negligible mass. These particles (corpuscles) are perfectly elastic. The corpuscles are emitted from the luminous sources such as Sun, candle, electric lamp etc.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

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Q said...

I have no other Science fer ya. ;-P

Q said...

...only Technology. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I can't say as I blame you. Science is becoming far too political.

Q said...

And when it was not???

Darwin

Jordano Bruno

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Point taken. But it has been worsening.

Q said...

Ehm???

Being roasted on fire VS being "roasted" for a teeshort? :-))

I cannot deny -- that is real worsening of character. (wide green)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It is relative to the selective starting point.

Q said...

Yap. Lie, big lie and... statistics. ;-P

Well, some definitions must be introduced, to proceed.
Like.
Economy -- it's negotiation with funguble balues.
While.
Politcs -- it's negotiation with non-fungible values.

Well. There is couple of trivial solutiuons. Like. If there'd be no actors -- there'd be no politics. ;-P
Or, all to have all the same values -- which is unrealistic.

So, in current setup. There is catalogs of values each of us operate with.
Like... that deck of cards.
Or a hand... in a poker game.
With "trump" card constantly changing. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or in the case of America, trump cards dealt from the bottom of the deck by "Intelligence Agencies".

Q said...

Interesting...
I saw such belief in "mighty intelligence" only in post-soviet russians before.
Hmm. Interesting?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Interesting? No. Stupid? Yes. Intelligence Agency is an oxymoron.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The USSR was once a bureaucratic State. America is now a thoroughly bureaucratic State. Our Congressional politicians no longer write the laws. The surplus salaried bureaucrats of surplus salaried corporate donors write them in conjunction with Congressional "staff" members on J/K Street in DC..

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Do you know what DEI is? It stands for "Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion" and is America's latest, stupidest "fad". It infects the entire federal government and every federal contractor so as to make sure that "transgendered" people aren't offended/ misgendered through pronoun usage.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It ensures that Chinaese spies are selected over American nationals staffing US "Intelligence" agencies.

Q said...

\\Interesting? No. Stupid? Yes. Intelligence Agency is an oxymoron.

Yap. (wide green)
But still, they are important.
And in countries like yours, they do play a big role. ;-)

\\The USSR was once a bureaucratic State.

I have a doubt about it. No... not like they didn't have bureacracy.
Quite contrary -- they developed quite ostentious one.
But... it was more like a cancer, then spine. :-))))
That was constantly brawling with and against "free market"-like deal-making regime, which allowed it to exist... for so long.
(Didn't you thought that they existed on the Marx teachings??? :-))) Naah)

Other than that... NMP.

...and is America's latest, stupidest "fad". It infects the entire federal government...

NMP ;-P

To sum it up.

In discussion about Science most interesting for you -- politics?

And in discussion of poliics -- secret services?

And? In secret services -- transgenders? ;-P

Am I correct with what I can assess from our so far going conversation(s)?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

My preference for this site (Farmers Letters) is Philosophy and Science. For politics discussions, I prefer to use the "Political Tealeaves" site. For Music and Arts and Culture in General, I prefer using the Thersites sites. But it all gets mixed up... so it doesn't matter. I'm game for almost any subject, anywhere.

I know that you're a SciFi fan, and that you support the current anti-Russia line that our "UniParty" and IC support. Back before the wall fell, I used to be a Cold Warrior... but having seen where the NeoCon line goes, not so much, anymore.

So I'd say that I'm interested in finding/discovering means for reducing IC mission creep, and bureaucratic mission creep in general. Socialism is great for war fighting, but it sucks for domestic governance and peacetime life.

I remember back when I was a kid living overseas what a large role the IC played in our family lives, so I am sympathetic to its' mission. But absent the Cold war, I have a hard time sympathizing any longer. War and IC Powers are for war times, but instead, they're trampling all over the peace that the world deserves. The US Constitution has been thoroughly trashed, as a result, and I am disgusted by it.

As for TG's in the IC, I couldn't give a sh*t.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - The US mission to Venezuela of which my family played a part was ultimately proved an immense failure. Cuba thoroughly infiltrated the Venezuelan government and led to the rise of Hugo Chavez. My dad was a non-commissioned military member in the USAF mission, and my mother worked in the US Embassy as a secretary for the Charge d'Affaires... so I do know a bit about the IC serving in a foreign country. My parents both attended most US Embassy functions.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - I think that Zizek is completely mistaken about this. He longs for a Stalinesque bureaucracy that will rule the world. It won't get rid of the "pseudo-problems" he mentions, it will amplify them through implementation of these ridiculous agendas.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I prefer absolute free-market invisible hand chaos to the politically correct bureaucratic order he imagines.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

My mother is one of the dancers in this film that was shot when I was a young boy and we were living in Madrid. Both my parents served similar functions there.

Q said...

\\My mother is one of the dancers in this film that was shot when I was a young boy and we were living in Madrid.

My condolences.

\\I prefer absolute free-market invisible hand chaos to the politically correct bureaucratic order he imagines.

Yep. Only... absolute chaos is not possible too. ;-)

\\He longs for a Stalinesque bureaucracy that will rule the world.

I don't think that eother you or him understand anything behind that "Stalinesque bureaucracy" words...

Because "Stalinesque bureaucracy" that is the same as "Pol Pot bureaucracy".
Or French revolution "bureaucracy".
Yea... there need to be some bureaucratic ptocedures performed, before next head will be cleanly cutted. :-)))

\\But it all gets mixed up... so it doesn't matter. I'm game for almost any subject, anywhere.

Well. I got it.
My comcern is.
You showed yourself as open and talkative counterpart.
One I didn't met in years.
So, I trying to adapt to provide something viable from my side too...

\\I know that you're a SciFi fan,

More like just an erudite... in this times.

\\and that you support the current anti-Russia line that our "UniParty" and IC support.

No.
They support MY (and everybody who have real and actual knowledge 'bout ruSSia... not some info from their university course... from lectures of ruSSian political emmigrants... implanted there by KGB, maybe) line.

\\Back before the wall fell, I used to be a Cold Warrior... but having seen where the NeoCon line goes, not so much, anymore.

Whatever.

\\So I'd say that I'm interested in finding/discovering means for reducing IC mission creep, and bureaucratic mission creep in general.

You know my answer to it -- yep, Yechnology.
And... I don't see any other viable way. Even theoretical.
Well, who knows, maybe I'm not educated, not knowledgible enough.
But from perspectives of Science -- what OTHER way there exist?

Social Engineering? :-))))

\\Socialism is great for war fighting,

WAT???
For example WW2 was essentially a war between TWO socialisms.
German -- you know what happen with em.
ruSSian -- achived victory... which was quite Pirric, and only because of your ubiquoutus help.

Well, it is really good in providing needed cannon fodder. In big numbers. Yes. But hardly that is sign of "efficiancy". :-)))

\\War and IC Powers are for war times, but instead, they're trampling all over the peace that the world deserves. The US Constitution has been thoroughly trashed, as a result, and I am disgusted by it.

And what about war that going just now???
Or, didn't you see it? Didn't you feel it?
That Pu and Xi even thrugged it off -- pretence that they are conspiring under the carpet. And soon will start doing it On-Line.
Like. Tomorrow.

Or... you still inclined to wait for Pearl Harbor-like events, to see a need for IC to return to focal point of importance?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\My mother is one of the dancers in this film that was shot when I was a young boy and we were living in Madrid.
My condolences.

\\He longs for a Stalinesque bureaucracy that will rule the world.
I don't think that eother you or him understand anything behind that "Stalinesque bureaucracy" words...

Because "Stalinesque bureaucracy" that is the same as "Pol Pot bureaucracy".
Or French revolution "bureaucracy".
Yea... there need to be some bureaucratic ptocedures performed, before next head will be cleanly cutted. :-)))

You'd be surprised. Ever hear of "the banality of evil" (Hannah Arendt)? The "evil" stems from the bureaucracy/ system. Like concentration camps for extermination of Jews. They function because the bureaucrats just "follow orders" and "do their jobs".... like keeping the trains full of Jews heading to the ovens running on schedule.

\\But it all gets mixed up... so it doesn't matter. I'm game for almost any subject, anywhere.
Well. I got it.
My comcern is.
You showed yourself as open and talkative counterpart.
One I didn't met in years.
So, I trying to adapt to provide something viable from my side too...

Then start a blog so that I can comment on it and things that interest you.

\\I know that you're a SciFi fan,
More like just an erudite... in this times.

Sounds like a great subject for a blog... ;)

\\and that you support the current anti-Russia line that our "UniParty" and IC support.
No.
They support MY (and everybody who have real and actual knowledge 'bout ruSSia... not some info from their university course... from lectures of ruSSian political emmigrants... implanted there by KGB, maybe) line.

Or start a "Real Life under Russian Occupation" blog....

\\So I'd say that I'm interested in finding/discovering means for reducing IC mission creep, and bureaucratic mission creep in general.
You know my answer to it -- yep, Yechnology.
And... I don't see any other viable way. Even theoretical.
Well, who knows, maybe I'm not educated, not knowledgible enough.
But from perspectives of Science -- what OTHER way there exist?
Social Engineering? :-))))

Privatization is "social engineering." Being unconstrained by market forces inevitably leads to mission creep.

\\Socialism is great for war fighting,
WAT???
For example WW2 was essentially a war between TWO socialisms.
German -- you know what happen with em.
ruSSian -- achived victory... which was quite Pirric, and only because of your ubiquoutus help.
Well, it is really good in providing needed cannon fodder. In big numbers. Yes. But hardly that is sign of "efficiancy". :-)))

The efficiency of socialism lies in its' "command structure". In peacetime, the "command structure" must revert to "the market". If it does not, you have "socialism".

\\War and IC Powers are for war times, but instead, they're trampling all over the peace that the world deserves. The US Constitution has been thoroughly trashed, as a result, and I am disgusted by it.
And what about war that going just now???
Or, didn't you see it? Didn't you feel it?
That Pu and Xi even thrugged it off -- pretence that they are conspiring under the carpet. And soon will start doing it On-Line.
Like. Tomorrow.
Or... you still inclined to wait for Pearl Harbor-like events, to see a need for IC to return to focal point of importance?

There is no "declared" war going on right now. And until there is one, I oppose funding it. Ukraine can go 'f itself. I've already got the largest defense and IC budget in the world. I needn't "prep for war" other than that.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Q said...

\\You'd be surprised. Ever hear of "the banality of evil" (Hannah Arendt)? The "evil" stems from the bureaucracy/ system. Like concentration camps for extermination of Jews. They function because the bureaucrats just "follow orders" and "do their jobs".... like keeping the trains full of Jews heading to the ovens running on schedule.

Naah...
Because I know DEEPER level.
That all bureaucracy works not becasuse of some infernal spell...
but because mere people think it's all right.
Like that chicken who beaking their own kin, who overstepped, showed weakness, became injured.

Moral of non-humans. "Moral" that shrugs off all that humane thing. Even such built-ins as neocortex.

And that is not somehere in the deeps of history or on the other planets, or in the imaginary realsm of SciFi.

But here and now. And on rampage. And with fing... pseudopodias trambling on the Nuke Launchers triggers....

\\Then start a blog so that I can comment on it and things that interest you.

\\Privatization is "social engineering." Being unconstrained by market forces inevitably leads to mission creep.

Didn't you mean "nationalization" here?

\\The efficiency of socialism lies in its' "command structure". In peacetime, the "command structure" must revert to "the market". If it does not, you have "socialism".

That's controversial.
So what? Inside firm/corporation there is "socialism"? Because thy have "command structire".
Or... army -- that is "socialism"??? Because it have nothing else but command structure. And no markets...

\\There is no "declared" war going on right now.

Was Cold War "declared" war?
Or... that was mistake to react on it, that way as it happened historically?

\\And until there is one, I oppose funding it.

Until Pearl Harbor incedent, I'll ask again?

But there will be NO such convinient, far away, forgiving and giving time and chance to prepare.

After 9/11 there's be only Nuke(s?) on biggest cities.
Probably even with Cobalt shells for more prolonged fallout.

\\Ukraine can go 'f itself.

Like...
Baltic countries can go 'f itself.
Central Europe countries can go 'f itself.
Western Europe countries can go 'f itself.
Britain can go 'f itself.
Manhettans can go 'f itself.
BigLakians can go 'f itself.

\\I've already got the largest defense and IC budget in the world. I needn't "prep for war" other than that.

"General always prepearing to a previous battles" (c)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\You'd be surprised. Ever hear of "the banality of evil" (Hannah Arendt)? The "evil" stems from the bureaucracy/ system. Like concentration camps for extermination of Jews. They function because the bureaucrats just "follow orders" and "do their jobs".... like keeping the trains full of Jews heading to the ovens running on schedule.
/Naah...
Because I know DEEPER level.
That all bureaucracy works not becasuse of some infernal spell...
but because mere people think it's all right.
Like that chicken who beaking their own kin, who overstepped, showed weakness, became injured.

Naaah! Because the bureaucracy destroys meaning. To destroy the world is now "Turn switch, press button".

“We live in a world where there is more and more information, and less and less meaning.” ― Jean Baudrillard
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\\Then start a blog so that I can comment on it and things that interest you.

Generalities. Not specifics.

\\Privatization is "social engineering." Being unconstrained by market forces inevitably leads to mission creep.
Didn't you mean "nationalization" here?

Nope. I meant privatization... but not to "global" capital... but a "national" capital. One that must pay local taxes, not evade them. If the world ever needed a UN, it would be soley to perform THAT function. Collect and distribute NATIONAL taxes from corporations.

\\The efficiency of socialism lies in its' "command structure". In peacetime, the "command structure" must revert to "the market". If it does not, you have "socialism".
/That's controversial.
So what? Inside firm/corporation there is "socialism"? Because thy have "command structire".
Or... army -- that is "socialism"??? Because it have nothing else but command structure. And no markets...

Or a family, that is a command structure... father is "patriarchy".

\\There is no "declared" war going on right now.
/Was Cold War "declared" war?
Or... that was mistake to react on it, that way as it happened historically?

The Cold war was insufficient a defense policy for the invocation of Presidential War Powers that suspended the Constitution. We had a Civil War once.

"The tyrant's heel is on thy shore... Oh Maryland, my Maryland!"

No more tyrants! Our paying Ukraine's expenses is TYRANNY. Either declare war, or fuck Ukraine! We didn't pay NATO's expenses during the Cold War. We paid OURS.

\\And until there is one, I oppose funding it.
/Until Pearl Harbor incedent, I'll ask again?

lol! We are preprared. We can take out Russia in twenty minutes (when missiles arrive at ground zero).

But there will be NO such convinient, far away, forgiving and giving time and chance to prepare.
After 9/11 there's be only Nuke(s?) on biggest cities.
Probably even with Cobalt shells for more prolonged fallout.

I'll take satisfaction in knowing that cockroaches will be nesting inside Russian skulls.

\\Ukraine can go 'f itself.
Like...
Baltic countries can go 'f itself.
Central Europe countries can go 'f itself.
Western Europe countries can go 'f itself.
Britain can go 'f itself.
Manhettans can go 'f itself.
BigLakians can go 'f itself.

They are NMP. I am NOT a world/ global socialist.

\\I've already got the largest defense and IC budget in the world. I needn't "prep for war" other than that.
/"General always prepearing to a previous battles" (c)

Yeah, but my older weapons have all been recently field tested against my enemies newer ones. :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...I have "new technology". :)

Q said...

\\Naaah! Because the bureaucracy destroys meaning. To destroy the world is now "Turn switch, press button".

As you said that. Zebras DO NOT want meaning. Hoi poloi hate meanings.
People want to live WITHOUT thinking.
'Cause thinking is hard. And bitter. And hard. And hopes crushing. And... hard.

\\Generalities. Not specifics.

Specifics we also discussed at length.
I stopped to indulge myself with it... because I thought it becomes too much self-indulging. And not interesting for you.
All that technicalities... about aliens in the Universe, and techs they supposedly using, and techs WE supposedly (may? should? ought? might? must? use), and ways of making that techs, and ways that techs will influence our destiny and our bodies, et cetera and et cetera...

\\Nope. I meant privatization... but not to "global" capital... but a "national" capital. One that must pay local taxes, not evade them. If the world ever needed a UN, it would be soley to perform THAT function. Collect and distribute NATIONAL taxes from corporations.

Why you are not Demon-rat then? ;-P

\\Or a family, that is a command structure... father is "patriarchy".

That is... illusion.
We live in matriarhate. ;-P Knock-knock Neo. Matrix (female) have you. :-)))

\\The Cold war was insufficient a defense policy for the invocation of Presidential War Powers that suspended the Constitution. We had a Civil War once.

Here... I don't get it.
Forgive me.
Even if I can type some readable(?) English.
Still, I am foreigner. And do not understand that your inner concerns.
And... feel it NMP in the most part.

\\No more tyrants! Our paying Ukraine's expenses is TYRANNY. Either declare war, or fuck Ukraine! We didn't pay NATO's expenses during the Cold War. We paid OURS.

Whatever.
Only one thing important here -- that there is knowledgeble people in Washington, DC
Who freakingly KNOW that helping Ukraine -- that is NOT a waste of money AT ALL... but very cheap and miraculous insurance that fell from the sky directly into needy hands of Biden... which spared US from much more grave and volumnious expenses.

One question?
What would happen if only Ukraine would not be so brave?
Isn't it:
Baltic countries attack and NATO 5th article direct threat?
Taiwan swift takover
Attack of North Korea at South one
Nuklear threats at NATO countries of Western Europe
And etc, and etc...

You know Clancy... you can build it up in your imagination yourself.

\\lol! We are preprared. We can take out Russia in twenty minutes (when missiles arrive at ground zero).

And you can down ALL of ICBM that will be launched at your continent?

Because... even one small town eradicated by soviet Nuke... even if it some small and unimportant. Will be a mortal wound to your pride. Even if there'd be no Russians. Remember your people reaction to a 9/11?

And World... it'll NEVER be the same pleasant and open any more...

\\I'll take satisfaction in knowing that cockroaches will be nesting inside Russian skulls.

Whatever.
They don't care too.

\\They are NMP. I am NOT a world/ global socialist.

That is people of Zimbabve ARE "NOT a world/ global socialist".
They can afford it.
You -- not.
Or... you can cut off your expectations and habitual feeling of power.
And give up. ;-P :-))))

\\Yeah, but my older weapons have all been recently field tested against my enemies newer ones. :)

War is not about weapons alone.

YOU pointed to that truth to me. You remember -- Archmedes.

Q said...

Do you think I have an agenda I trying to impose on you?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\Naaah! Because the bureaucracy destroys meaning. To destroy the world is now "Turn switch, press button".
As you said that. Zebras DO NOT want meaning. Hoi poloi hate meanings.
People want to live WITHOUT thinking.
'Cause thinking is hard. And bitter. And hard. And hopes crushing. And... hard.

...and why evil becomes so banal.

\\Generalities. Not specifics.
Specifics we also discussed at length.
I stopped to indulge myself with it... because I thought it becomes too much self-indulging. And not interesting for you.
All that technicalities... about aliens in the Universe, and techs they supposedly using, and techs WE supposedly (may? should? ought? might? must? use), and ways of making that techs, and ways that techs will influence our destiny and our bodies, et cetera and et cetera...

I enjoy a fun digression and out-of-the-box thinking... but I'm not a "futurist". I'm something much more boring. A "critic" of futurists... with few specific examples (but my own) to "criticize". ;)

\\Nope. I meant privatization... but not to "global" capital... but a "national" capital. One that must pay local taxes, not evade them. If the world ever needed a UN, it would be soley to perform THAT function. Collect and distribute NATIONAL taxes from corporations.
Why you are not Demon-rat then? ;-P

Because they have only impractical solutions like "raise taxes"... forcing all the corporations to move to Asia and Europe to shelter their profits and emply 'others'. And I don't want to work for a non-profit. Profits are great, for both producers and consumers of products (w/higher wages to spend on add'l consumption).

\\Or a family, that is a command structure... father is "patriarchy".
That is... illusion.
We live in matriarhate. ;-P Knock-knock Neo. Matrix (female) have you. :-)))

With "mama governments" trying to "redistribute income" you're exactly right.

\\The Cold war was insufficient a defense policy for the invocation of Presidential War Powers that suspended the Constitution. We had a Civil War once.
Here... I don't get it.
Forgive me.
Even if I can type some readable(?) English.
Still, I am foreigner. And do not understand that your inner concerns.
And... feel it NMP in the most part.

No, it's entirely pertinent. I believe in "negative liberty" (Isaiah Berlin, "Two Concepts of Liberty"). During war times, the negative liberties get disappeared (Abraham Lincoln suspends habeas corpus and the State of Maryland is prevented from succeeding by the arrest of State Legislators). Their "negative liberties (rights of habeas corpus suspended). The "draft" (forced conscription) is another such case (war power).

Think of it this way... if "life" sufficient for living, or must it be a "good" life? Negative liberty ensures the possibility of a "good" life... for Don Quixote to pursue his quests all over la Mancha. I am Don Quixote. I cannot be 'forced' or compelled by government edict to be 'other'. You cannot draft me to work on your Manhattan Project.

\\No more tyrants! Our paying Ukraine's expenses is TYRANNY. Either declare war, or fuck Ukraine! We didn't pay NATO's expenses during the Cold War. We paid OURS.
/Whatever.
Only one thing important here -- that there is knowledgeble people in Washington, DC
Who freakingly KNOW that helping Ukraine -- that is NOT a waste of money AT ALL... but very cheap and miraculous insurance that fell from the sky directly into needy hands of Biden... which spared US from much more grave and volumnious expenses.

Sorry, it's a bad deal for the US, but a terrible deal for Ukraine (who pays in blood).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

One question?
What would happen if only Ukraine would not be so brave?
Isn't it:
Baltic countries attack and NATO 5th article direct threat?
Taiwan swift takover
Attack of North Korea at South one
Nuklear threats at NATO countries of Western Europe
And etc, and etc...

Why would Baltic countries attack? The US wouldn't authorize one, or it would have already done so. We also wouldn't "bleed" Russia in Ukraine, we'd just crush it completely with conventional forces, and we could do that entirely by ourselves w/o NATO. Who knows. Maybe that's what's behind the "bleed them" plan... but I doubt it. It benefits no one. There's no "profit" in it, except to keep the globalist corporate ponzi scheme afloat. And the sooner we can crush THAT, the better it will be for the independence of all nations of the world.

\\lol! We are preprared. We can take out Russia in twenty minutes (when missiles arrive at ground zero).
And you can down ALL of ICBM that will be launched at your continent?
Because... even one small town eradicated by soviet Nuke... even if it some small and unimportant. Will be a mortal wound to your pride. Even if there'd be no Russians. Remember your people reaction to a 9/11?

They don't call it Mutually Assured Destruction for no reason. And yes, I went to a military academy and studied US defense policy.

And World... it'll NEVER be the same pleasant and open any more...

MAD will never happen... but if it does...

\\I'll take satisfaction in knowing that cockroaches will be nesting inside Russian skulls.
Whatever.
They don't care too.

\\They are NMP. I am NOT a world/ global socialist.
/That is people of Zimbabve ARE "NOT a world/ global socialist".
They can afford it.
You -- not.
Or... you can cut off your expectations and habitual feeling of power.
And give up. ;-P :-))))

What good is power if you can't enjoy it in peace, but must settle everyone's petty squabbles and play father to all their children? It's NMP.

\\Yeah, but my older weapons have all been recently field tested against my enemies newer ones. :)
/War is not about weapons alone.
YOU pointed to that truth to me. You remember -- Archmedes.

Archimedes inventions turned men into cowards. You want to fight me? Bring your chariot and meet me on the plains before Troy. I promise not to shoot you in the heel with my arrows from a distance ala "Paris".

Do you think I have an agenda I trying to impose on you?

Do I totally trust that you're just a nerd from the East? No. But even if you're not, I think even America's adversaries should know that we're not as insane as our current leaders. And our leaders, most certainly, have an agenda, which is not "unopposed" domestically. Which is probably why they've currently foreclosed the possibilities for "diplomacy" and refuse to negotiate with Russia.

Q said...

\\...and why evil becomes so banal.

Ehm?.. Non sequtur?
Or that is just I cannot connect the dots here.

\\I enjoy a fun digression and out-of-the-box thinking... but I'm not a "futurist".

Am I look like futurist to you? ;-)
Well, Lem was avid critic of futurism and futurists too. You know: One cannot predict chaos. Only try to command over it. ;-)

\\Because they have only impractical solutions like "raise taxes"...

As a whole, yes.
But all of em have own "genious" plan of what to do...
That's why they (never ever?) cannot agree with each other about further steps.
That's why I am not demon-rat. I cannot afford that modus operandi. ;-P

\\I am Don Quixote. I cannot be 'forced' or compelled by government edict to be 'other'. You cannot draft me to work on your Manhattan Project.

So does Elon Musk?
With his idea to leave this mubdabe Earth and erathlings.
And became Martian.
But.
You both need MY tech for any of that dreams to be fulfilled. ;-P

\\Sorry, it's a bad deal for the US, but a terrible deal for Ukraine (who pays in blood).

Only... every other deal -- much worse.
Again. You do not know history of Ukraine.
O.K.
I'll give a hint this time.
Year anno domini 1932... and the very next one. Genocidal, imposed by soviet government (read, Stalin) starvation. Around 10 millions of corpses.

ANYTHING less then that... is GREATLY POSITIVE outcome, this way.(and that was, ONLY ONE episode of many)

\\Why would Baltic countries attack?

Shame on me. :-((( But is my "Baltic countries attack" could be understood only that way? As attack of Estonia, Latvia, Lituania on RFia???
And could not be devised from context?

Look at the map. They ALREADY are circled. From two side by RFia's borders.
Plus sea border which can be easily blocked by RFia.
And Belorus, which is nothing but a pawn of RFia, border.
ONLY one little coridor. Notoriously known from Cold War time -- Suvalki.

Again.
Ukraine fell.
Europe and NATO in awe and distrust.
AND.
Attack of RFia. Under disguese. Under false flag. Over that corridor.
What would do NATO? What would do USA???

\\we'd just crush it completely with conventional forces

Blah-blah-blah...
You could not crush beardy guerillas in mountains of Afganistsn.
You fled from Syria and Iraq.
And your demon-rats would call any one who still sane on your turf a "warmonger".

\\It benefits no one. There's no "profit" in it, except to keep the globalist corporate ponzi scheme afloat. And the sooner we can crush THAT, the better it will be for the independence of all nations of the world.

You know nothing about cost/benefit calculations of tyrants...

Q said...

\\They don't call it Mutually Assured Destruction for no reason.

Yeah.
But in Cold War time that was common sense knowledge that there is NO benefit in it for NO one.

Who'd knew that modern barbarians would see it as benefitial through jihadist-shahedists POV "we'll be martyrs... and they'll just die".
Are you ready to play Russian Rulette of M.A.D??? Don't think so.

Again.
9/11
It opened that Pandora's Box.
That there could be false flag attack.
Without declaration... or even "declaration" of war.

For example a ballistic missle launched from waters arround North Korea.
What you'd do? Bomb out that puny Un?
But, what if he is not one who launched it?
What is that was some secret RFia's or China's U-boat?
Would you risk guaranted M.A.D. with them... for a such uncertainity???

Think they do not know about it? Think they will not try? Think again.

In modern world where Nuke can be even 3D printed. Soon(?)
ONLY more advanced tech can give you safety.
And... if your CIA do not get it -- you are busted.

\\What good is power if you can't enjoy it in peace, but must settle everyone's petty squabbles and play father to all their children? It's NMP.

That's why you are not government of USA. ;-P
You -- can frolick. They -- can't.

\\\\Do you think I have an agenda I trying to impose on you?

\\Do I totally trust that you're just a nerd from the East? No.

And who else I could be? Some AI? (other people from your turf already accused me of it) :-)))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\...and why evil becomes so banal.
/Ehm?.. Non sequtur?
Or that is just I cannot connect the dots here.

Eichmann in Jerusalem.

\\I enjoy a fun digression and out-of-the-box thinking... but I'm not a "futurist".
Am I look like futurist to you? ;-)
Well, Lem was avid critic of futurism and futurists too. You know: One cannot predict chaos. Only try to command over it. ;-)

But for who. For country? Or self? Realistically, only one lies w/in one's ability to "command".

\\Because they have only impractical solutions like "raise taxes"...
As a whole, yes.
But all of em have own "genious" plan of what to do...
That's why they (never ever?) cannot agree with each other about further steps.
That's why I am not demon-rat. I cannot afford that modus operandi. ;-P

It's easy devise ways to spend "other people's money".

\\I am Don Quixote. I cannot be 'forced' or compelled by government edict to be 'other'. You cannot draft me to work on your Manhattan Project.
So does Elon Musk?
With his idea to leave this mubdabe Earth and erathlings.
And became Martian.
But.
You both need MY tech for any of that dreams to be fulfilled. ;-P

What makes you think that I'd want to go with him?

\\Sorry, it's a bad deal for the US, but a terrible deal for Ukraine (who pays in blood).
Only... every other deal -- much worse.
Again. You do not know history of Ukraine.
O.K.
I'll give a hint this time.
Year anno domini 1932... and the very next one. Genocidal, imposed by soviet government (read, Stalin) starvation. Around 10 millions of corpses.

The holdomor? I doubt that Putin is looking to re-collectivize Ukrainian farms and crush the kulaks. I suspect he'd be more likely to give them all small business loans.

ANYTHING less then that... is GREATLY POSITIVE outcome, this way.(and that was, ONLY ONE episode of many)

Sorry, but your "white knight" is merely looking to sell you to the highest corporate bidder.

\\Why would Baltic countries attack?
Shame on me. :-((( But is my "Baltic countries attack" could be understood only that way? As attack of Estonia, Latvia, ....
ONLY one little coridor. Notoriously known from Cold War time.... Suvalki....
What would do NATO? What would do USA???

\\we'd just crush it completely with conventional forces
/Blah-blah-blah...
You could not crush beardy guerillas in mountains of Afganistsn.
You fled from Syria and Iraq.
And your demon-rats would call any one who still sane on your turf a "warmonger".

Touche. But first we employed "Shock and Awe" and destroyed the Iraqi government and defense forces. What we "lost" was the peace that followed (the big mistake). What makes you think that we'd do so again (the institutional momentum of small minds)? I have a different approach. And yes, I read Machiavelli. ALL of Machiavelli.

\\It benefits no one. There's no "profit" in it, except to keep the globalist corporate ponzi scheme afloat. And the sooner we can crush THAT, the better it will be for the independence of all nations of the world.
You know nothing about cost/benefit calculations of tyrants...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\They don't call it Mutually Assured Destruction for no reason.
/Yeah.
But in Cold War time that was common sense knowledge that there is NO benefit in it for NO one.

Exactly.

Who'd knew that modern barbarians would see it as benefitial through jihadist-shahedists POV "we'll be martyrs... and they'll just die".
Are you ready to play Russian Rulette of M.A.D??? Don't think so.

You'd be wrong. Trust, but verify.

Again.
9/11
It opened that Pandora's Box.
That there could be false flag attack.
Without declaration... or even "declaration" of war.
For example a ballistic missle launched from waters arround North Korea.
What you'd do? Bomb out that puny Un?
But, what if he is not one who launched it?
What is that was some secret RFia's or China's U-boat?
Would you risk guaranted M.A.D. with them... for a such uncertainity???

Please. Do you think those bases aren't covered? What do you think $700b a year buys us? Think they do not know about it? Think they will not try? Think again. Think they'd get away with anything? In modern world where Nuke can be even 3D printed. Soon(?) ONLY more advanced tech can give you safety. And... if your CIA do not get it -- you are busted. You can't 3D print Plutonium and Tritium or the Beryllium needed to house it. Or are you an alchemist, too? \\What good is power if you can't enjoy it in peace, but must settle everyone's petty squabbles and play father to all their children? It's NMP. That's why you are not government of USA. ;-P Your Captain Obvious. You -- can frolick. They -- can't. They WILL frolick or I will shut them down. The only way to commit evil is in the name of a greater "good". THAT is the essence of evil's "banality". \\\\Do you think I have an agenda I trying to impose on you? \\Do I totally trust that you're just a nerd from the East? No. Ehm... Do not ask questions... or they'll be answered. :-))) And who else I could be? Some AI? (other people from your turf already accused me of it) :-))) ChatGPT doing domestic surveillance for small-dicked, small-minded bureaucrats @ Homeland. Knock yourself out. I could use an all expenses paid vacation at GITMO. Q said... \\Eichmann in Jerusalem. You know my (Lem's actually) viewpoint -- Evolution do not know evil, do not do any evil. That is just our antropic perspective. That do not make it less important in my eyes. Only more -- we need to take it into account. That there is NO Evil... big or small... only evolutional tech. And as such we need to learn how to tweak and tune it up to our expectation. Instead of usual shaking our fists at Heavens. ;-P And well... Eichmann was not Evil. Just a small nut in a big device. \\But for who. For country? Or self? Realistically, only one lies w/in one's ability to "command". I see question "how?" much more important... than such technicalities like "who?" or "for what?". Well, that makes me bad, really bad-bad-bad marcketologist of my ideas. I know. :-))) \\What makes you think that I'd want to go with him? Am I said it that way? Am I? I just said that my tech is versatile enough. For... what would you like? Make Paradise on the Moon and Mars? Or make Earth somewhat cleaner, somewhat better place? Or... (your desires write-in here) \\The holdomor? I doubt that Putin is looking to re-collectivize Ukrainian farms and crush the kulaks. I suspect he'd be more likely to give them all small business loans. Yap. "Nothing personal, just business". You obviously must know that trivia about history of your own country -- isn't it? Like how small farmers was paupered through such loans. Well... Pol Pot was seen on the West as just a person who wanted to introduce an agricultural reform too... "Banality of Evil"... one need to have some experience, to understand its possible span... \\Sorry, but your "white knight" is merely looking to sell you to the highest corporate bidder. Eeee??? Please, be more explicit. \\Touche. But first we employed "Shock and Awe" and destroyed the Iraqi government and defense forces. Yeah. But why you NOT did it with USSR??? Even in lowest point of it. Under Gorbachev. If you'd did it. We'd not have such problems today. Look at your excellent experience with Japan. You missed that chance. And now you have instead of ONE... TWO big enemies conspiring against you. Wanna postpone it YET one time? And allow THIRD big one to appear? The more the merrier? (evil laughter) And the bigger the Victory and Fame, ahh? \\And yes, I read Machiavelli. ALL of Machiavelli. Then why you do not apply his teachings? \\\\Was "Prince" not in your reading list? \\Asked and answered. Obviously. That was sarcastic. Are we not that aquitant already for it to be visible? My bad. \\\\But in Cold War time that was common sense knowledge that there is NO benefit in it for NO one. \\Exactly. Yap. But that beardy barbarians in 9/11 planes did know nothing from that subtle civilized science of M.A.D. And as such -- gave to all world, to all scumbags in it, idea that dogmas of M.A.D. maybe not that unshakeble. Well, we, Civilized world, learned that Science the Hard Way -- through millions and millions corpses from ordinary ordinances. So, sheer power of nuclear one was apparent to us. But, what does it mean to some beardies from East, ahh??? Uneducated. Barbaric. Resourceful. ;-P Q said... \\\\Are you ready to play Russian Rulette of M.A.D??? Don't think so. \\You'd be wrong. Trust, but verify. No. My bet would be -- that you'd have some strategy. Like send someone to talk with terrorist. Why command some S.W.A.T sniper to find a good firing position. Am I right? \\Please. Do you think those bases aren't covered? What do you think$700b a year buys us?

How much your secrets services was paid BEFORE 9/11? How much it helped?
Why that simple truth is so hard for you? That there is NO unbreakable defense.
Proactive and agile defense ONLY. When you come to ideas of your foe BEFORE him.
And as such -- prepare to react.

\\Think they'd get away with anything?

Beardy barbaians in a 9/11 planes.
Do you think you have some authority? Or can accqure some divine power?
To rise them from graves to punish afterwards???

And well... currently they do not need martyrs anymore.
There is robots who can do it for them.
Isn't that NOT that apparent???

\\You can't 3D print Plutonium and Tritium or the Beryllium needed to house it. Or are you an alchemist, too?

And?

Is it equally hard to make some poisonous gas? Some deadly virus?
Well, anyway.
That is country sized threats we talking about.
Whole Countries with nuclear power and hordes of scientists (even if sub par)

Did you even knew that there is such a substance as Polonium? That some crafty poisonous chemicals like Novichok possible?

\\They WILL frolick or I will shut them down. The only way to commit evil is in the name of a greater "good". THAT is the essence of evil's "banality".

For me. "Banality of Evil" means that "Evil" happens EVEN if there is NO perpetrator.
Like in recent "Snow Bomb" event. How many Ams was frozen to death? Who's fault it is? Some f*ing God of Death we can track and eliminate? No.
That's just "Shit happens".

\\ChatGPT doing domestic surveillance for small-dicked, small-minded bureaucrats @ Homeland. Knock yourself out. I could use an all expenses paid vacation at GITMO.

This thread of talk going south, it seems.

I just meaned by that "do I have agenda?" just that -- that I am not like that Dervy, who reek of wokedness and just have readymade answers to anything. From his sect cookbook. (wide green)

But for you it sounded like question about my ulterior motives, am I right? :-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\Eichmann in Jerusalem.
/You know my (Lem's actually) viewpoint -- Evolution do not know evil, do not do any evil.
That is just our antropic perspective.
That do not make it less important in my eyes.
Only more -- we need to take it into account. That there is NO Evil... big or small... only evolutional tech. And as such we need to learn how to tweak and tune it up to our expectation.
Instead of usual shaking our fists at Heavens. ;-P
And well... Eichmann was not Evil. Just a small nut in a big device.

I agree, there is no "evil" (Nietzsche, "Beyond Good & Evil"). But there is "Good for Humanity and Bad for Humanity"... and some tech falls into the former category, and others into the latter, at any one particular "time" in a particular evolutionary environment. What's good at one time might be good at one point, and bad in another.... but none should probably ever be considered "evil/taboo" and removed entirely from consideration (Ecclesiastes 3).

\\What makes you think that I'd want to go with him?
/Am I said it that way? Am I?
I just said that my tech is versatile enough. For... what would you like?
Make Paradise on the Moon and Mars? Or make Earth somewhat cleaner, somewhat better place?

Full-time philosophy? (aka- living a life-of-the-mind)

\\The holdomor? I doubt that Putin is looking to re-collectivize Ukrainian farms and crush the kulaks. I suspect he'd be more likely to give them all small business loans.
You obviously must know that trivia about history of your own country -- isn't it? Like how small farmers was paupered through such loans.
Well... Pol Pot was seen on the West as just a person who wanted to introduce an agricultural reform too...
"Banality of Evil"... one need to have some experience, to understand its possible span...

No, Putin just want's to join the West's paedophile billionaire club, and they won't let him in.

\\Sorry, but your "white knight" is merely looking to sell you to the highest corporate bidder.
Eeee???

Watch the video in the link above. That's who you're selling yourself to.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\Touche. But first we employed "Shock and Awe" and destroyed the Iraqi government and defense forces.
Yeah. But why you NOT did it with USSR??? Even in lowest point of it. Under Gorbachev.
If you'd did it. We'd not have such problems today. Look at your excellent experience with Japan.
You missed that chance.
And now you have instead of ONE... TWO big enemies conspiring against you.
Wanna postpone it YET one time? And allow THIRD big one to appear?
The more the merrier? (evil laughter)
And the bigger the Victory and Fame, ahh?

Yeah, the US IC and Deep State must really LOVE you. You think that the Billionaire Boys Club will let you in when they didn't let Putin join? Get used to handing out towels in their club's Rest Room.

\\And yes, I read Machiavelli. ALL of Machiavelli.
/Then why you do not apply his teachings?
/Obviously. That was sarcastic. Are we not that aquitant already for it to be visible? My bad.

Sorry, it's often hard to see the winks behind your writing... and I suppose you also have a hard time seeing mine. I'm accustomed to Dervy repeating the same debunked talking points over and over... so I often react accordingly.

\\\\But in Cold War time that was common sense knowledge that there is NO benefit in it for NO one.
\\Exactly.
/Yap. But that beardy barbarians in 9/11 planes did know nothing from that subtle civilized science of M.A.D.
And as such -- gave to all world, to all scumbags in it, idea that dogmas of M.A.D. maybe not that unshakeble.

911 was the poor mans nuclear weapon. And yes, I'm not un-sympathetic to their cause as well.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Well, we, Civilized world, learned that Science the Hard Way -- through millions and millions corpses from ordinary ordinances.
So, sheer power of nuclear one was apparent to us.
But, what does it mean to some beardies from East, ahh??? Uneducated. Barbaric. Resourceful. ;-P

They understand it perfectly. They are humans. It's not enough to just 'survive'. They need to be permitted to live a "good life" (as Don Quixote's) and would rather die, than live one otherwise. And I understand their message perfectly. For I share it.

\\\\Are you ready to play Russian Rulette of M.A.D??? Don't think so.
\\You'd be wrong. Trust, but verify.
/No. My bet would be -- that you'd have some strategy.
Like send someone to talk with terrorist. Why command some S.W.A.T sniper to find a good firing position. Am I right?

Nope. I'm confident in my arms and my ability to meet my enemy face to face on any field, and subsequently defeat him. It's the privilege of power... to be generous to visiting guests or to be a dog and suffer many fleas.

\\Please. Do you think those bases aren't covered? What do you think $700b a year buys us? How much your secrets services was paid BEFORE 9/11? How much it helped? Why that simple truth is so hard for you? That there is NO unbreakable defense. Proactive and agile defense ONLY. When you come to ideas of your foe BEFORE him. And as such -- prepare to react. I don't need an "unbreakable defense". I'm prepared to take some causualties. Just as my enemies will know that they will take much worse then they gave. It's a Cold War/ WMD philosophy. "'F with me, and you'll be 'F'd". Like the bright colors on a poisonous insect/ frog. I advertise my luminescence. \\Think they'd get away with anything? /Beardy barbaians in a 9/11 planes. Do you think you have some authority? Or can accqure some divine power? To rise them from graves to punish afterwards??? And well... currently they do not need martyrs anymore. There is robots who can do it for them. Isn't that NOT that apparent??? Desperate men resort to desperate measures. Not so desperate men resort to technology. We, in the US, are the "least desperate" of ALL men. So yes, you have something (tech) to sell? We're great 'buyers'. But we're also not all "cowards" with a need to buy beskar for full Mandalorian armor bodysuits. Some of us will trade "speed" for armor, others prefer "wisdom" to karate or judo lessons. I think I've told you that American's prefer hard-kill and the British soft-kill? Which, do you suppose, reflects the 'greater wisdom'? I believe it's the one who utilises "both". -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\You can't 3D print Plutonium and Tritium or the Beryllium needed to house it. Or are you an alchemist, too? /And? Is it equally hard to make some poisonous gas? Some deadly virus? Well, anyway. That is country sized threats we talking about. Whole Countries with nuclear power and hordes of scientists (even if sub par) Did you even knew that there is such a substance as Polonium? That some crafty poisonous chemicals like Novichok possible? Yes... and country-size threats are what our DOD and ICs focus on. And I live only a few miles from APGEA. The whole Army base is litterally littered with abandonded chemical and nerve agent labs. Again, country-sized/ developed threat... and we've got those pretty well covered. \\They WILL frolick or I will shut them down. The only way to commit evil is in the name of a greater "good". THAT is the essence of evil's "banality". /For me. "Banality of Evil" means that "Evil" happens EVEN if there is NO perpetrator. Like in recent "Snow Bomb" event. How many Ams was frozen to death? Who's fault it is? Some f*ing God of Death we can track and eliminate? No. That's just "Shit happens". Like you said, there's no morality (or evil) in evolution and "snow bomb events". For there to be "evil" there must be a human agency. And the "state sponsored" evils are the MOST banal ones. "For I only put the plutonium in their casings"... just a banal Homer Simpson job. \\ChatGPT doing domestic surveillance for small-dicked, small-minded bureaucrats @ Homeland. Knock yourself out. I could use an all expenses paid vacation at GITMO. /This thread of talk going south, it seems. I just meaned by that "do I have agenda?" just that -- that I am not like that Dervy, who reek of wokedness and just have readymade answers to anything. From his sect cookbook. (wide green) But for you it sounded like question about my ulterior motives, am I right? :-) Exactly. And no, you don't have what I would call an overt "ideology" (ie- woke agenda) that I can identify other than that of "capitalism" and the "capitalist discourse". Q said... \\But there is "Good for Humanity and Bad for Humanity"... and some tech falls into the former category, and others into the latter Please. Give examples. 'Cause in Lem's teachings techs always are agnostic to any moral. Black or white. \\Full-time philosophy? (aka- living a life-of-the-mind) Like that is not what I desire... and what (I, Lem, both of us, neither of us, mumba-jumba abra-kadabra :-))) do propose here. ;-) \\No, Putin just want's to join the West's paedophile billionaire club, and they won't let him in. How small you think about that great man (SARCASM!!!!!!!11111) He wanted to make OWN ring of pedophiles (and all other freaks). And "buy" omni-power over the World that way. Bu-ga-gah! Have you encounters with some billionares? Millionares? Riches of any kind. What do you think/know about how it works -- world of personal jets and super-yachts? Well... that is not clever way to make you spill that bean about your connections. ;-P I could praise myself if that'll be successful. But... I realy don't care about it. As you said above -- life-of-the-mind is much more dear for me. So... do it however you like. Or just ignore. My interest was in building up "theory of your mind" in regards to riches. Not your actual stories about it. I... already gave you mine. I am prol(etariat). And might never be free from ordinary prol's superstitions about rich. And their morals. And all... \\That's who you're selling yourself to. Being "selled" still more preferential than being dead, isn't it? Well, dead cannot say for themself anyway. So, what real choice Ukrainians have? From your knowledgible and wise perspective of inhabitant of safe and cosy West. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"? Q said... \\Yeah, the US IC and Deep State must really LOVE you. And what makes you think so? Bureaucrates do not like even shadow of actual need to work... but like to spend emergency funds, yes. :-))) \\Sorry, it's often hard to see the winks behind your writing... Don't bother yourself with it. Fault is all mine. My sense of humor never was in good accordance with other people. :-/ \\911 was the poor mans nuclear weapon. Is it correct way to write it? 911? Isn't there is ambiguity? Well. That's WHOLE and IN A NUTSHELL point of my tirrades about it -- isn't it good to NOT meet rich man nuclear weapon??? \\And yes, I'm not un-sympathetic to their cause as well. Whatever. \\They understand it perfectly. They are humans. It's not enough to just 'survive'. They need to be permitted to live a "good life" (as Don Quixote's) and would rather die, than live one otherwise. And I understand their message perfectly. For I share it. Yeah... you are not John Wayne (aka Butt-man ;-P) \\Nope. I'm confident in my arms and my ability to meet my enemy face to face on any field, and subsequently defeat him. Well... Computer games to your service. Or you just not from that generation... Well, movies, books. Popular one, they all about action and heroes. Do you not like to be Lone Gunner, as Clint Eastwood? I don't believe you. :-) \\I'm prepared to take some causualties. Just as my enemies will know that they will take much worse then they gave. It's a Cold War/ WMD philosophy. "'F with me, and you'll be 'F'd". And? How it worked in regard to 9/11? \\So yes, you have something (tech) to sell? We're great 'buyers'. But we're also not all "cowards" with a need to buy beskar for full Mandalorian armor bodysuits. Some of us will trade "speed" for armor, others prefer "wisdom" to karate or judo lessons. I think I've told you that American's prefer hard-kill and the British soft-kill? Which, do you suppose, reflects the 'greater wisdom'? I believe it's the one who utilises "both". Yeah. That's why you are best when you are in tandem with Brits. They give brains, while you horsepowers. ;-) Maybe I should direct my missiive at someone from Misty Albion? ;-) \\Yes... and country-size threats are what our DOD and ICs focus on. Yeah. And you are criticizing em for being bureaucratic. Isn't it? So, how bookworms can show some creativity and proactivety? That's devoid my understanding. \\And I live only a few miles from APGEA. The whole Army base is litterally littered with abandonded chemical and nerve agent labs. Again, country-sized/ developed threat... and we've got those pretty well covered. Well. From news. Russian created or refurbished around 200 labs for "newest medicine" purposes... \\Exactly. And no, you don't have what I would call an overt "ideology" (ie- woke agenda) that I can identify other than that of "capitalism" and the "capitalist discourse". That "capitalist discourse"... is false positive. Go clean your test tubes before analisys. ;-) -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\But there is "Good for Humanity and Bad for Humanity"... and some tech falls into the former category, and others into the latter /Please. Give examples. 'Cause in Lem's teachings techs always are agnostic to any moral. Black or white. I agree with LEM (Ecclesiastes 3). But there is also a "time for x" and a "time for opposite x". Knowing when is the right time, the opportune time, the Kairos time... that is where the "art" of "Virtue" lies. For x can be a "moral hazard" if implemented at the "wrong time"... (ie - for as they say, "give a man a fish or teach him to fish for homself"). You should read "The Tragedy of American Compassion" by Marvin Olasky. America has been destroyed by it's "inopportune" legal system... and so today we engage in "Lawfare" instead of "warfare" domestically. “The injustice of a government is proportional to the number of its laws.” - Tacitus. \\Full-time philosophy? (aka- living a life-of-the-mind) /Like that is not what I desire... and what (I, Lem, both of us, neither of us, mumba-jumba abra-kadabra :-))) do propose here. ;-) On September 1, 2023, it becomes real for me. :) \\No, Putin just want's to join the West's paedophile billionaire club, and they won't let him in. /How small you think about that great man (SARCASM!!!!!!!11111) He wanted to make OWN ring of pedophiles (and all other freaks). And "buy" omni-power over the World that way. Bu-ga-gah! Have you encounters with some billionares? Millionares? Riches of any kind. What do you think/know about how it works -- world of personal jets and super-yachts? Well... that is not clever way to make you spill that bean about your connections. ;-P I could praise myself if that'll be successful. But... I realy don't care about it. As you said above -- life-of-the-mind is much more dear for me. So... do it however you like. Or just ignore. My interest was in building up "theory of your mind" in regards to riches. Not your actual stories about it. Only one, and I already spilled his name. And like I said, he "unfriended me" on Facebook in Nov 2016 when Trump got elected. He was a memmber of the "BBC" (but only a millionaire... so far). -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... I... already gave you mine. I am prol(etariat). And might never be free from ordinary prol's superstitions about rich. And their morals. And all... Sounds like we're in the same boat. I'm just a useless not-so-surplus salaried bureaucrat helping feed the banal beast of bureaucracy. \\That's who you're selling yourself to. /Being "selled" still more preferential than being dead, isn't it? Well, dead cannot say for themself anyway. So, what real choice Ukrainians have? From your knowledgible and wise perspective of inhabitant of safe and cosy West. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"? Emigrate or adapt. Learn to speak Russian. Or get the Americans to send you to the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, or other English speaking country. Your standard of living will rise significantly. This may be the perfect opportunity to apply for asylum.... no one can legitimately say that you don't qualify for it (escaping death). \\Yeah, the US IC and Deep State must really LOVE you. /And what makes you think so? Bureaucrates do not like even shadow of actual need to work... but like to spend emergency funds, yes. :-))) Yes, but they also like to make people VERY afraid so they can be given more money. Covid... Russia... Global Warming... \\911 was the poor mans nuclear weapon. /Is it correct way to write it? 911? Isn't there is ambiguity? Well. That's WHOLE and IN A NUTSHELL point of my tirrades about it -- isn't it good to NOT meet rich man nuclear weapon??? Technically, it's written 9/11. And we do our best to punish "State Actors". Non-State Actors like al Qaeda and/or ISIS are harder to deal with unless they are confined within a State. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\Nope. I'm confident in my arms and my ability to meet my enemy face to face on any field, and subsequently defeat him. /Well... Computer games to your service. Or you just not from that generation... Well, movies, books. Popular one, they all about action and heroes. Do you not like to be Lone Gunner, as Clint Eastwood? I don't believe you. :-) No, my oldest son is the "Game Designer". And no, I'm not Clint Eastwood. But I spent the best part of my childhood (age 14-18) hunting, fishing, and camping all over the Golden State and Garden Island. I'm therefore not unfamiliar with practicing "survival" skills and living off the land. I also spent many of my summer vacations during those years as a farm-hand on my uncles' farms in Iowa. In other words, I'm no "city boy". \\I'm prepared to take some causualties. Just as my enemies will know that they will take much worse then they gave. It's a Cold War/ WMD philosophy. "'F with me, and you'll be 'F'd". And? How it worked in regard to 9/11? Perhaps you should ask Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri. \\So yes, you have something (tech) to sell? We're great 'buyers'. But we're also not all "cowards" with a need to buy beskar for full Mandalorian armor bodysuits. Some of us will trade "speed" for armor, others prefer "wisdom" to karate or judo lessons. I think I've told you that American's prefer hard-kill and the British soft-kill? Which, do you suppose, reflects the 'greater wisdom'? I believe it's the one who utilises "both". /Yeah. That's why you are best when you are in tandem with Brits. They give brains, while you horsepowers. ;-) Maybe I should direct my missiive at someone from Misty Albion? ;-) Indeed. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\Yes... and country-size threats are what our DOD and ICs focus on. /Yeah. And you are criticizing em for being bureaucratic. Isn't it? So, how bookworms can show some creativity and proactivety? That's devoid my understanding. Bureaucratic isn't bad... until the bureaucrats stop following orders and start trying to give them. \\And I live only a few miles from APGEA. The whole Army base is litterally littered with abandonded chemical and nerve agent labs. Again, country-sized/ developed threat... and we've got those pretty well covered. Well. From news. Russian created or refurbished around 200 labs for "newest medicine" purposes... Hey, I worked on the Chem De-Mil program for about six months. They hadn't started and we were 2/3 done destroying all our chemical arsenals at the time. We eventually had to give them billions to destroy their weapons. \\Exactly. And no, you don't have what I would call an overt "ideology" (ie- woke agenda) that I can identify other than that of "capitalism" and the "capitalist discourse". That "capitalist discourse"... is false positive. Go clean your test tubes before analisys. ;-) No, it is a "disappeared vanishing mediator". It's become "Capitalist Realism". People can sooner envision the end of the world than the end of capitalism. Q said... \\Knowing when is the right time, the opportune time, the Kairos time... that is where the "art" of "Virtue" lies. "Damn you, to live in time of changes"? ;-) But well, that wisdom is futile... for us, who do live in times of avalanch of changes... \\You should read "The Tragedy of American Compassion" by Marvin Olasky. Why? NMP, remember? For gaining expertise in USA inner affairs? But to whom I could sell it? Putin? Xi? :-))))))) They would not listen anyway. Because, as Lem formulated "one need to be smart himself... to listen to a smart advices". That is the problem today -- too many loud mouthes, too few quiet ears. ;-P \\On September 1, 2023, it becomes real for me. :) Retirment? That is something I unable to percieve in my prol's neighbourhood... but they say there is feeling of "lost of purpose" besaging ones who retires... \\Only one, and I already spilled his name. And like I said, he "unfriended me" on Facebook in Nov 2016 when Trump got elected. He was a memmber of the "BBC" (but only a millionaire... so far). And I totally missed/forgot that info. :-))) That is how unfit I am as an es-pi-eye I am. %-)))) While, well, one of the best spy books I know is Lem's "Mask". Uneasy reading, though. \\Sounds like we're in the same boat. More like SpaceShip "Earth". ;-) \\Emigrate or adapt. Learn to speak Russian. Hmmm... like there is anyone of post-soviets who do not know Russian... you just blurted out something that totally busted your level of expertise about this all topic. Not like something damning. You have (had) no need to know something like that... the same as I or any other have (had) no need to know intrinsics of your politics... but, go damn that globalising World. ;-P (am I using English times correctly here?) (I wonder... what if some latinos... or africans, I mean naive africans would come here too... more cultural differences, more differ POVs... isn't that great? ;-P) \\Yes, but they also like to make people VERY afraid so they can be given more money. Covid... Russia... Global Warming... I'll call it bullshit. That lazy asses to make such smarty moves even to their own benefit. ;-P Naah... all that happens by itself. By inner reason of different cross-wired overly complex global processes. Another word... if while bathing in the ocean you'll suddenly boink with some nasty piece of shit from some dirty asian... that is not because of some global conspiracy, or some homeland security services incapabilities... just beacause. Shit Happens. (Don't) Panic.(tm) ;-P \\And we do our best to punish "State Actors". Aha... the very best... like "surrendering to Afganistani", as Dervy called it. :-)))) \\No, my oldest son is the "Game Designer". In what genre? I have some ideas in game-design too. ;-P \\I'm no "city boy". Well, I can brag about being cow-boy (for a little) too. :-))) \\Perhaps you should ask Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri. Why should I? Of what interest? As it seems. They cleanly recieved what they wanted -- becoming martyrs and already playing with gurias in the sky and spitting at you from there. ;-P Punishment... my ass. \\until the bureaucrats stop following orders and start trying to give them. Poor lost sheeps. %-) \\No, it is a "disappeared vanishing mediator". It's become "Capitalist Realism". Well... at least it made well. Or. Would you prefer some native tribes ethnic songs? ethnic cushion? ethnic cloth? :-))))) I doubt it. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... /"Damn you, to live in time of changes"? ;-) But well, that wisdom is futile... for us, who do live in times of avalanch of changes... Perhaps that is why amorality and nihilism run rampant. That is the problem today -- too many loud mouthes, too few quiet ears. ;-P lol! \\On September 1, 2023, it becomes real for me. :) /Retirment? That is something I unable to percieve in my prol's neighbourhood... but they say there is feeling of "lost of purpose" besaging ones who retires... Loss of "other people's purposes". :) \\Sounds like we're in the same boat. More like SpaceShip "Earth". ;-) Yes, and both stuck in "Steerage" (not the Pilot House). \\Emigrate or adapt. Learn to speak Russian. /Hmmm... like there is anyone of post-soviets who do not know Russian... you just blurted out something that totally busted your level of expertise about this all topic. Not like something damning. You have (had) no need to know something like that... the same as I or any other have (had) no need to know intrinsics of your politics... but, go damn that globalising World. ;-P (am I using English times correctly here?) (I wonder... what if some latinos... or africans, I mean naive africans would come here too... more cultural differences, more differ POVs... isn't that great? ;-P) I simply know that one of the issues in Donbas was a banning of the Russian language. Yes, I'm sure it was the lingua franca since USSR days, but we have many non-English speakers in the USA that refuse to learn English and who demand to have English translated into their native languages. There have been attempts to deem English the "official language"... and have failed. \\Yes, but they also like to make people VERY afraid so they can be given more money. Covid... Russia... Global Warming... /I'll call it bullshit. That lazy asses to make such smarty moves even to their own benefit. ;-P Naah... all that happens by itself. By inner reason of different cross-wired overly complex global processes. Another word... if while bathing in the ocean you'll suddenly boink with some nasty piece of shit from some dirty asian... that is not because of some global conspiracy, or some homeland security services incapabilities... just beacause. Shit Happens. (Don't) Panic.(tm) ;-P I never meant to imply that it was a "coordinated effort", merely an effort in support of multiple and varied bureaucratic interests for the benefit of the administrating bureaucrats. \\And we do our best to punish "State Actors". Aha... the very best... like "surrendering to Afganistani", as Dervy called it. :-)))) The US military's model is directed at State interventions, not stabilizing states once the military intervention has succeeded. We could temporarily drive the taliban out "again"... but we can never stabilize Afghanistan under the current military model of propping up local leaders without also adopting local customs. Our model is Cincinnatus, not Genghis Khan. We fight, win, and then go home. We'd have to change the "go home" part. Time is not on the American model's side. Something for Ukarinians to understand as well. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\No, my oldest son is the "Game Designer". /In what genre? I have some ideas in game-design too. ;-P Fantasy. He works on The Elder Scrolls (Online). The company he works for was recently acquired by MicroSoft. \\I'm no "city boy". /Well, I can brag about being cow-boy (for a little) too. :-))) Something we share, then. \\Perhaps you should ask Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri. /Why should I? Of what interest? As it seems. They cleanly recieved what they wanted -- becoming martyrs and already playing with gurias in the sky and spitting at you from there. ;-P Punishment... my ass. Have the globalists relinquished their regional markets and influence? Then why attack the World Trade Center? No, I don't think death was the goal... it was their chosen method, but ultimately, global capital learns to "adapt" and "incorporate" the opposition. In many ways, it is "borg". \\until the bureaucrats stop following orders and start trying to give them. /Poor lost sheeps. %-) I didn't like capitalism's response to Soviet opposition in '68, either. It's what got us into the mess we're in today. \\No, it is a "disappeared vanishing mediator". It's become "Capitalist Realism". /Well... at least it made well. Or. Would you prefer some native tribes ethnic songs? ethnic cushion? ethnic cloth? :-))))) I doubt it. I wore Daishiki's all the time... back in the 70's. We called that "cultural capitalism". Q said... \\Perhaps that is why amorality and nihilism run rampant. O tempUra, o mores. ;-P \\Yes, and both stuck in "Steerage" (not the Pilot House). Isn't that a good motivation for sneakely plotting a secret plan? ;-P \\I simply know that one of the issues in Donbas was a banning of the Russian language. You "know" it. Because loud voice of Russian propaganda stomped it into your brain. ;-) Because you NEVER tryed to check for a facts. Even as basic as timeline. That "banning of the Russian language" happend AFTER all that situation was set in motion... by Russian special forces. And was not about banning. And was not of any importance. But just used by propaganda to create "image of enemy" in the mass-media. \\Yes, I'm sure it was the lingua franca since USSR days, but we have many non-English speakers in the USA that refuse to learn English and who demand to have English translated into their native languages. Yes. 'Cause you are Democracy. Or... from another POV -- you have that nasty demon-rats, who use that "human rights" to increase their voting base. ;-P Do you think Rusha is the same??? While bragging about being "continuation" of both: Soviet Rusha of Cold War times AND Russian Empire aka Prison of Nations???????????????????????????? \\I never meant to imply that it was a "coordinated effort", merely an effort in support of multiple and varied bureaucratic interests for the benefit of the administrating bureaucrats. That's it. You are thinking too high 'bout and greatly over-thinking it -- ability of bureaucratic system to show self-consciousness... Naah, that is vegitative by definition entity. ;-P Its strength comes from that. Like that dandelion weed, which can spread everywhere... and sprout even through concret. ;-) \\The US military's model is directed at State interventions, not stabilizing states once the military intervention has succeeded. We could temporarily drive the taliban out "again"... but we can never stabilize Afghanistan under the current military model of propping up local leaders without also adopting local customs. And WTF MacArthur did in Japan? Or... you just LACKING new MacArthurs??? Than say it clear and loud. ;-) \\Fantasy. He works on The Elder Scrolls (Online). The company he works for was recently acquired by MicroSoft. Wise choice. Never ending story. Well, my interest is about stratagies mainly. Historical. Realistic. I burdened with idea of making one MMO-style -- simulation of History, where many-many people can participate and interact... not as some elfs and dwarfs, but as historical-like persons. Atillas, Ceasars, Alcaviads ;-) but also great builders, and merchants. Not only with superficial war-making... but also with some sneaky intrigues. \\Something we share, then. With having cultural, climate and geography differences in mind. Yes. :-) \\Have the globalists relinquished their regional markets and influence? That was merely a propaganda... for subceptive Westerners. What they wanted -- that is Power alone. Global power if possible. So... their "anti-globalism" is thin as that sigarette smoke... as that demonstrative Putin's "anti-colonialism". :-))) \\I didn't like capitalism's response to Soviet opposition in '68, either. It's what got us into the mess we're in today. Well... post-ap after WW3 scinery would be better? \\I wore Daishiki's all the time... Machine-made? From factory fabric? ;-) -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\Yes, and both stuck in "Steerage" (not the Pilot House). Isn't that a good motivation for sneakely plotting a secret plan? ;-P Only if you want to drive. \\I simply know that one of the issues in Donbas was a banning of the Russian language. /You "know" it. Because loud voice of Russian propaganda stomped it into your brain. ;-) Because you NEVER tryed to check for a facts. Even as basic as timeline. That "banning of the Russian language" happend AFTER all that situation was set in motion... by Russian special forces. And was not about banning. And was not of any importance. But just used by propaganda to create "image of enemy" in the mass-media. Blah, blah, blah... only "they" use propaganda. \\Yes, I'm sure it was the lingua franca since USSR days, but we have many non-English speakers in the USA that refuse to learn English and who demand to have English translated into their native languages. /Yes. 'Cause you are Democracy. Or... from another POV -- you have that nasty demon-rats, who use that "human rights" to increase their voting base. ;-P Non-citizens cannot vote. Do you think Rusha is the same??? While bragging about being "continuation" of both: Soviet Rusha of Cold War times AND Russian Empire aka Prison of Nations???????????????????????????? The same? No. More like Germany and their Sudetenlands. \\I never meant to imply that it was a "coordinated effort", merely an effort in support of multiple and varied bureaucratic interests for the benefit of the administrating bureaucrats. /That's it. You are thinking too high 'bout and greatly over-thinking it -- ability of bureaucratic system to show self-consciousness... Naah, that is vegitative by definition entity. ;-P Its strength comes from that. Like that dandelion weed, which can spread everywhere... and sprout even through concret. ;-) Stalin had coordinated opposition? Who knew? -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\The US military's model is directed at State interventions, not stabilizing states once the military intervention has succeeded. We could temporarily drive the taliban out "again"... but we can never stabilize Afghanistan under the current military model of propping up local leaders without also adopting local customs. /And WTF MacArthur did in Japan? Or... you just LACKING new MacArthurs??? Than say it clear and loud. ;-) MacArthur wrote Japan's Constitution. And then we kept occupation forces in country (even today). Again, that was a commitment to "permanent occupation"... not going home to the farm ala Cincinnatus and leaving it to the "natives". \\Fantasy. He works on The Elder Scrolls (Online). The company he works for was recently acquired by MicroSoft. /Wise choice. Never ending story. Well, my interest is about stratagies mainly. Historical. Realistic. I burdened with idea of making one MMO-style -- simulation of History, where many-many people can participate and interact... not as some elfs and dwarfs, but as historical-like persons. Atillas, Ceasars, Alcaviads ;-) but also great builders, and merchants. Not only with superficial war-making... but also with some sneaky intrigues. More fun to do it in person... play Empires in Arms. I used to play with a group of grads from VMI and The Citadel when I worked at Martin Marietta in the mid-late Eighties. Good fun, even if playing the Ottoman's. \\I didn't like capitalism's response to Soviet opposition in '68, either. It's what got us into the mess we're in today. /Well... post-ap after WW3 scinery would be better? No. It's why I'm an "isolationist". Wakanda hidden in the jungle. \\I wore Daishiki's all the time... Machine-made? From factory fabric? ;-) Not at first. But once it became "popular" there was no other. Just look at Africa today... everyone wears T-shirts with celebrity faces on them. Q said... \\Only if you want to drive. Hah... like that is about wanting, anyhow. \\Blah, blah, blah... only "they" use propaganda. So what? Goebbels was respectable journalist, who died unfairy??? Or there is no propaganda? Or there is no actual lies "they" using? Or... there is no such thing as "lie", only different perspectives??? \\Non-citizens cannot vote. AFAIK one of point of Reps in that brawl with Dems is that Dems specially configure voting system that way to allow "fraud"... like letting that non-citizens to vote. Am I understand it correctly? \\\\Do you think Rusha is the same??? \\The same? No. More like Germany and their Sudetenlands. What does it mean? That demands of Nazi Germany was justified? Or even just? Maybe we'd should allow em to have their ways with all World? Clearly, I do not see neither intonation nor what you impling here... \\Stalin had coordinated opposition? Who knew? I do not see how it follows from previous discussion. Sorry. \\MacArthur wrote Japan's Constitution. And then we kept occupation forces in country (even today). Again, that was a commitment to "permanent occupation"... not going home to the farm ala Cincinnatus and leaving it to the "natives". Yeah. isn't results is just outstanding and worthy repeating. ;-) \\More fun to do it in person... play Empires in Arms. I used to play with a group of grads Yeah. You got it. But... it's damn hard to find a group of dudes to play... In modern world especially. That's why all this modern things... like social networks and all... And well... techs do can add something new into it too... ;-) Like there is popular game World of Tanks -- which allow one to try himself to drive a tank -- rarely possible in a real world. And... hardly they'll give you to use cannon. ;-P So, yeah -- basic idea is to provide experience of that peer to peer excitment of a bunch of friend around board game... to more wide public. And yeah... we could settle discussion about History in that game -- by playing for a different sides in that simulation. \\No. It's why I'm an "isolationist". Wakanda hidden in the jungle. They can afford it... because they have technologies. ;-P ONLY technologies can make you TRUE isolationist. Any other way -- your patience will be disturbed by that clever and unsettling brats with new and newest techs they try to use for... anything. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\Only if you want to drive. /Hah... like that is about wanting, anyhow. touche. \\Blah, blah, blah... only "they" use propaganda. /So what? Goebbels was respectable journalist, who died unfairy??? Or there is no propaganda? Or there is no actual lies "they" using? Or... there is no such thing as "lie", only different perspectives??? Everbody lies, and everybody propagandizes. \\Non-citizens cannot vote. /AFAIK one of point of Reps in that brawl with Dems is that Dems specially configure voting system that way to allow "fraud"... like letting that non-citizens to vote. Am I understand it correctly? Indeed you are. They openly and actively encourage non-citizens to vote. \\\\Do you think Rusha is the same??? \\The same? No. More like Germany and their Sudetenlands. /What does it mean? That demands of Nazi Germany was justified? Or even just? Maybe we'd should allow em to have their ways with all World? Clearly, I do not see neither intonation nor what you impling here... I'm saying that those people who think they can discriminate against and p*ss off former Soviet citizens living in Ukraine do so at their own peril... just as the Poles did with the Sudentan Germans. \\Stalin had coordinated opposition? Who knew? /I do not see how it follows from previous discussion. Sorry. The Soviet bureaucracy was "uncoordinated". Just like the American. That doesn't mean it is harmless and has "no will" based upon diverse self-interests of the bureaucracies leaders... only that it has "many masters" instead of just one and will act in a seemingly more arbitrary and capricious manner. -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\MacArthur wrote Japan's Constitution. And then we kept occupation forces in country (even today). Again, that was a commitment to "permanent occupation"... not going home to the farm ala Cincinnatus and leaving it to the "natives". /Yeah. isn't results is just outstanding and worthy repeating. ;-) You really want a McDonald's on every Ukrainian street corner? You really want every Ukrainian to have$170k of government debt hanging over their heads?

Like there is popular game World of Tanks -- which allow one to try himself to drive a tank -- rarely possible in a real world. And... hardly they'll give you to use cannon. ;-P
So, yeah -- basic idea is to provide experience of that peer to peer excitment of a bunch of friend around board game... to more wide public.
And yeah... we could settle discussion about History in that game -- by playing for a different sides in that simulation.

On Armed Forces Day APGEA used to open up to the public for "live fire" demonstrations. It's the only time I got to see Bradleys, M1A's and 155mm Howitzers in "simulated" action, firing at targets on-the-run and crossing water obstacles. Beats a computer game any day of the week.

\\No. It's why I'm an "isolationist". Wakanda hidden in the jungle.
/They can afford it... because they have technologies. ;-P
ONLY technologies can make you TRUE isolationist.
Any other way -- your patience will be disturbed by that clever and unsettling brats with new and newest techs they try to use for... anything.

Unfortunately, our genius' like to test their equipment in "realistic scenarios" (aka 'proxy wars'). Thanks for volunteering to be their latest Guinea Pigs.

Q said...

\\Everbody lies, and everybody propagandizes.

You just have no experience of real deal thing.
Go reread/rewatch 1984... that pale and dilluted representation of it in your culture. ;-)

\\\\Non-citizens cannot vote.
\\Indeed you are. They openly and actively encourage non-citizens to vote.

\\I'm saying that those people who think they can discriminate against and p*ss off former Soviet citizens living in Ukraine do so at their own peril... just as the Poles did with the Sudentan Germans.

You busted yourself yet one time.
Sudeten Germans - Wikipedia
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German Bohemians later known as Sudeten Germans, were ethnic Germans living in the Czech lands of the Bohemian Crown, which later became

Well... clearly you are not European. We here have been effectively vacinated from it -- that indifference to a struggles of our neighbours against world-conquering opportunists.
Because we freakingly know it -- we'd be next.

As in...
First they came - Wikipedia
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"First they came …" is the poetic form of a 1946 post-war confessional prose by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984).

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

\\The Soviet bureaucracy was "uncoordinated". Just like the American. That doesn't mean it is harmless and has "no will" based upon diverse self-interests of the bureaucracies leaders... only that it has "many masters" instead of just one and will act in a seemingly more arbitrary and capricious manner.

And what bad did soviet bureaucracy??? Won in WW2? :-)))
I still don't get it.
Looks like you not worked it out too much...

\\You really want a McDonald's on every Ukrainian street corner? You really want every Ukrainian to have $170k of government debt hanging over their heads? I don't get it... that much, too. But, I'll try to play in accordance. Yep. And Ukrainian chips in each coffe machine. And Ukrainian pop-culture on every screen (do you know about Anime? ;-)) \\Beats a computer game any day of the week. Yeah... but not Driving it. Even when simulation in a computer game. ;-P And well... if we talk about simulation of a History... and where can you try yourself on a place of King/General/Great Merchant??? There is no such places... only in a game. ;-) \\Unfortunately, our genius' like to test their equipment in "realistic scenarios" (aka 'proxy wars'). Thanks for volunteering to be their latest Guinea Pigs. I don't get it again. Is Putin your prezident? -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... \\Everbody lies, and everybody propagandizes. /You just have no experience of real deal thing. Go reread/rewatch 1984... that pale and dilluted representation of it in your culture. ;-) lol! You don't have commercials on your television sets? We literally SWIM in corporatist propaganda. \\\\Non-citizens cannot vote. \\Indeed you are. They openly and actively encourage non-citizens to vote. /So? What your refutation above was about? "Or... from another POV -- you have that nasty demon-rats, who use that "human rights" to increase their voting base. ;-P" The "human rights" argument is one they use to grant "asylum" to immigrants to the United States. They cannot vote (until they become citizens) and that takes many years. You said they did it to increase their "voting base". If so, it's a long-term strategy that doesn't favour "incumbents". \\I'm saying that those people who think they can discriminate against and p*ss off former Soviet citizens living in Ukraine do so at their own peril... just as the Poles did with the Sudentan Germans. /You busted yourself yet one time. Sudeten Germans - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sudeten_Germans German Bohemians later known as Sudeten Germans, were ethnic Germans living in the Czech lands of the Bohemian Crown, which later became Well... clearly you are not European. We here have been effectively vacinated from it -- that indifference to a struggles of our neighbours against world-conquering opportunists. Because we freakingly know it -- we'd be next. As in... First they came... Yes, we have a different geography, much like the UK. But oceans, not Seas, protect us. We avoided becoming like Europe by uniting our colonies, first into a confederation (like the EU), then a federation (like Russia). \\The Soviet bureaucracy was "uncoordinated". Just like the American. That doesn't mean it is harmless and has "no will" based upon diverse self-interests of the bureaucracies leaders... only that it has "many masters" instead of just one and will act in a seemingly more arbitrary and capricious manner. /And what bad did soviet bureaucracy??? Won in WW2? :-))) I still don't get it. Your point. Looks like you not worked it out too much... It's banality. The evil in it. Germany had Jews. America had blacks/ Jim Crow. We liken ourselves to a "shining city on a hill". There are many dark corners on that hill. \\You really want a McDonald's on every Ukrainian street corner? You really want every Ukrainian to have$170k of government debt hanging over their heads?
/I don't get it... that much, too.
But, I'll try to play in accordance.
Yep.
And Ukrainian chips in each coffe machine. And Ukrainian pop-culture on every screen (do you know about Anime? ;-))

That won't happen (Ukrainian pop culture). You're "white" (even the Jews are 'white' in America). The chips and coffee (ethnic food?) might have a chance... but all the profits will go to General Mills (food corporation).

\\Beats a computer game any day of the week.
/Yeah... but not Driving it. Even when simulation in a computer game. ;-P
And well... if we talk about simulation of a History... and where can you try yourself on a place of King/General/Great Merchant???
There is no such places... only in a game. ;-)

...and that's a problem.

\\Unfortunately, our genius' like to test their equipment in "realistic scenarios" (aka 'proxy wars'). Thanks for volunteering to be their latest Guinea Pigs.
/I don't get it again.

You really think that Zelenskyy is calling the strategic shots in Ukraine?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Q said...

\\lol! You don't have commercials on your television sets?

Do you still watching TV? 8-)

\\The "human rights" argument is one they use to grant "asylum" to immigrants to the United States.

I do not like to play Derpy here... but still, that question genuinely interests me too. Isn't ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.""
Or that is just a blah-blah-blah... but, get away from our sacred boat? ;-P

\\They cannot vote (until they become citizens) and that takes many years. You said they did it to increase their "voting base".

*I* saying that? I just repeated what I heard lurking through your publics...

\\But oceans, not Seas, protect us.

Doesn't work in age of satelites and ICBMs. ;-P

\\We avoided becoming like Europe by uniting our colonies, first into a confederation (like the EU), then a federation (like Russia).

This is one hella hillarious claim, that not stop amusing my. You are Colony -- not Metropolia. ;-P
That you are self-sufficient Empire -- that is mind-dimming propaganda, that allow clever crooks to use your power. ;-P
You, Ams, ARE NOT Empire... and you DO NOT freakingly know what Real Empire is. :-))))

Real Empires inclined to:
AND
Incorporate.
You are NOT real empire -- you still not united under your rule even Canada and Mexica. Period. ;-P

Well... you just showed that you cannot emphatise, you do not understand a zilch of what I cited. :-((
Well, not my problem.

Was you placing Blacks in concentration camps? No? Then don't brag.

\\That won't happen (Ukrainian pop culture).

And HOW can you be so sure? ;-P

\\...and that's a problem.

Ehm???
Well, I'll try to say it more explicitly.
Most interesting games -- that is one among knowledgable peers. As in universities. Where group of historians can play it with some sophisticated level of immersion. Because they, as knowledgeble in history can connect some dots.
That board games is pale in comparation.
But still, even that peers cannot perform it in needed scope -- to a level of simulation of ALL History -- to reveal hiden wheels of it.
Only FULL SCALE simulation can (try to) do that.
And that is possible withing massive multiplayer online game...

\\You really think that Zelenskyy is calling the strategic shots in Ukraine?

You know, I'm foreigner and I do not know your conspirology. So, please try to be more explicit. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\lol! You don't have commercials on your television sets?
/Do you still watching TV? 8-)

Less, but yes. I watch certain TV shows (DVR'd and skip commercials)... the game show "Jeopardy", NCIS and Bluebloods, and a new cop show "East New York". The rest is all "streams" from Disney, Prime, Netflix, Hulu and Peacock.

\\The "human rights" argument is one they use to grant "asylum" to immigrants to the United States.
/I do not like to play Derpy here... but still, that question genuinely interests me too. Isn't ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.""
Or that is just a blah-blah-blah... but, get away from our sacred boat? ;-P

Unalienable is the key.... and the pusuit of happiness is alienable unless negative liberties are protected/enforced to LIMIT government reach.... to allow every man to be a Don Quixote and to dream the impossible dream.

\\They cannot vote (until they become citizens) and that takes many years. You said they did it to increase their "voting base".
/*I* saying that? I just repeated what I heard lurking through your publics...

Our "publics" are idiots.

\\But oceans, not Seas, protect us.
/Doesn't work in age of satelites and ICBMs. ;-P

It prevents "occupation" by a foreign power though. It prevents "re-colonization".

\\We avoided becoming like Europe by uniting our colonies, first into a confederation (like the EU), then a federation (like Russia).
/This is one hella hillarious claim, that not stop amusing my. You are Colony -- not Metropolia. ;-P
That you are self-sufficient Empire -- that is mind-dimming propaganda, that allow clever crooks to use your power. ;-P
You, Ams, ARE NOT Empire... and you DO NOT freakingly know what Real Empire is. :-))))
Real Empires inclined to:
AND
Incorporate.
You are NOT real empire -- you still not united under your rule even Canada and Mexica. Period. ;-P

...and you have a very foolish and outdated perception of "empire". We control the world's markets and trade and ensure that your people remain idle and out of work, unless our corporations want to use their "cheaper" labor forces. You cannot compete with the scales and levels of automation our "capital" can acquire. No one can. And if you try and go "rogue", like Russia, we slap you with sanctions, surround you by hostile NATO nations, and force you to spend your economic surplus' on weapons that you cannot hope to match us with.

Well... you just showed that you cannot emphatise, you do not understand a zilch of what I cited. :-((
Well, not my problem.

Ditto.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Was you placing Blacks in concentration camps? No? Then don't brag.

No, just segregated ghettos for the civilians and prisons for the troublemakers. Apartheid.

\\That won't happen (Ukrainian pop culture).
/And HOW can you be so sure? ;-P

No only sure, but POSITIVE. You are a cisgen white male from a culture that must be denied so as to appear "objective" and "unbiased" in the eyes of minority races and cultures.

\\...and that's a problem.
/Ehm???
Well, I'll try to say it more explicitly.
Most interesting games -- that is one among knowledgable peers. As in universities. Where group of historians can play it with some sophisticated level of immersion. Because they, as knowledgeble in history can connect some dots.
That board games is pale in comparation.
But still, even that peers cannot perform it in needed scope -- to a level of simulation of ALL History -- to reveal hiden wheels of it.
Only FULL SCALE simulation can (try to) do that.
And that is possible withing massive multiplayer online game...

...or a reality that permits personal action (not simulated action) based upon the actual whims and desires of the participants (in other words, not a challenging game, but a challenging life).

\\You really think that Zelenskyy is calling the strategic shots in Ukraine?
/You know, I'm foreigner and I do not know your conspirology. So, please try to be more explicit. ;-)

You oligarch's want to join the corporate club (like Putin and his). Our oligarchs tell them what they have to do to join (fight Russia).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - Do you know what the Arab Spring was all about? Al Qaeda's attack on the World Trade Center? Those were all rebellions against our corporate empires, where everyone is a consumer that cannot compete in the business of "production" w/o their permission. Ordinary people cannot and are not allowed o earn even the measliest of incomes w/o the permission of our government and its' protected corporations.

You know what a "terrorist" is? Anyone who rebels against the American world corporate order/system.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - Enjoy the show.

Q said...

\\to allow every man to be a Don Quixote and to dream the impossible dream.

For that one need to be phylosophers.
Phylosophers are free even while in prison. ;-P

\\Our "publics" are idiots.

I mean publicly available places on the net. Mostly social networls...
Well, as that wise man from TV ;-) have had said -- people are idiots.

\\It prevents "occupation" by a foreign power though. It prevents "re-colonization".

Hah... only that is current state of technologies that prevents it.
Earlier waves of colonization was facilitated by *extensive* type of production, like: the more land you'd have, the more crops, the more cattle you could produce.

Today, that is almost upside down. Countries... places with most people per square mile (see, how cleverly I use non-metric here ;-P) -- produce the most.

THAT, cannot be colonised.

\\...and you have a very foolish and outdated perception of "empire".

How, just HOW :-))) definition of Empire can be "outdated"???
While it based on one... well, two examples.
Roman Empire. And Chinese ones.

All other are just plagiatry.

\\We control the world

Heh... they, in Rome thought the same.
And then, barbarians came, and pillaged it into oblivion. ;-P

\\No, just segregated ghettos for the civilians and prisons for the troublemakers. Apartheid.

Yep. And Michael Jackson and Obama was white. :-)))
Quit bragging. You are baby kittens... in compare with chempions of World Evils Ledger. ;-P

\\No only sure, but POSITIVE. You are a cisgen white male from a culture that must be denied so as to appear "objective" and "unbiased" in the eyes of minority races and cultures.

NMP.
But, just look how often Ukrainians are at Eurovision top. ;-P
And that Prosperity of Ukraine not even started ;-P

\\...or a reality that permits personal action (not simulated action) based upon the actual whims and desires of the participants (in other words, not a challenging game, but a challenging life).

For a 8 billions of participants???
It's hard to believe... but I would listen closely... I like fairytales. ;-P

Q said...

\\You oligarch's want to join the corporate club (like Putin and his). Our oligarchs tell them what they have to do to join (fight Russia).

Again. Half of words here either need proper definition or totally meaningless for me.

What that word "oligarchs" mean, for god sake example???

Oligarchy Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › oliga...
1 · government by the few ; 2 · a government in which a small group exercises control ; 3 · an organization controlled by a small group ...

OLIGARCH | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary
dictionary.cambridge.org › dictionary › oligarch
someone who is extremely rich and powerful, especially a person from Russia who became rich after the end of the former Soviet Union: The Russian oligarchs ...

Oligarchy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Oligarchy
Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía) 'rule by few'; from ὀλίγος (olígos) 'few', and ἄρχω (arkho) 'to rule or to command') is a conceptual form of power ...

Ukraine
Main article: Ukrainian oligarchs
The Ukrainian oligarchs are a group of business oligarchs that quickly appeared on the economic and political scene of Ukraine after its independence in 1991. Overall there are 35 oligarchic groups.[6]
On September 23 2021 Ukrainian government released the Law (№ 1780-ІХ) which is primarily focused on protecting national interest and limiting oligarchs impact on democracy in Ukraine.

Ehmmmm?????
But we do know that wikipedia is poisoned well to spread demon-rats propaganda, isn't it?
And that is damn transparent even from this excerpt.
How? Just HOW??? Sentence "Overall there are 35 oligarchic groups" corresponds with "power of few" in definition???

HOW near HUNDRED counts as "few"??? That is only mind of libtard can hold in his eggshell head such a double-think definition. ;-P Until it get spilled after crash with reality. :-)))

Are you libtard??? ;-) Or you just testuing me on being one???

FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
btw - Do you know what the Arab Spring was all about? Al Qaeda's attack on the World Trade Center? Those were all rebellions against our corporate empires, where everyone is a consumer that cannot compete in the business of "production" w/o their permission.

Knowing your blatant blunders in regards to our European realities.
I deem it wise to take your ideas about Arabic world about which I know only that I know nothing 'bout it -- with big lump of solt... another word, as very doubtful.
No offense. Deemed ot impied.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\...or a reality that permits personal action (not simulated action) based upon the actual whims and desires of the participants (in other words, not a challenging game, but a challenging life).

For a 8 billions of participants???
It's hard to believe... but I would listen closely... I like fairytales. ;-P

It's called AnCap. Anarcho-Capitalism. Work for yourself, or starve.

\\Your oligarch's want to join the corporate club (like Putin and his). Our oligarchs tell them what they have to do to join (fight Russia).

What that word "oligarchs" mean, for god sake example???

Every corporation in the world is headed by a potential "oligarch"... he becomes one when he enters a public-private partnership and his corporate advantages secured and "priviledged" through laws and regulations, tax laws particularly.

/...HOW near HUNDRED counts as "few"??? That is only mind of libtard can hold in his eggshell head such a double-think definition. ;-P Until it get spilled after crash with reality. :-)))

Are you libtard??? ;-) Or you just testuing me on being one???

Ever hear of the 400?

In Athens in 411 BC, an oligarchy consisting of 400 men took control of the state from the people only for power to be taken from them by a larger group of 5,000 oligarchs only shortly thereafter.

Another notable example are the Thirty Tyrants, who were pro-Spartan soldiers, lead by Critias, who took control of Athens after the city-state lost the Peloponnesian War in 404 BC.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The concept is one of "corporate oligarchs". Each oligarch heading a corporation.

Wanna know why Islam didn't have any "corporations" until recently? They were not permitted under Islamic law.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The corporation was Western "tech".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and so my "tech" for anti-globalist revolution is of a "legal" type. To disempower "corporate" forms and strip them of their legal privileges.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...to ban and banish Struldbruggs.

Q said...

\\...and so my "tech" for anti-globalist revolution is of a "legal" type. To disempower "corporate" forms and strip them of their legal privileges.

"Legal" type... based, or must be based... on populism.

So, what message you can propose lots of people would "buy"???

That is not simple to do... my excercises here with you as example.

So... you can train your populism skills on me. ;-)

\\Ever hear of the 400?

What exactly are tresholds of "being oligarchy"??? And when it becomes democracy, or what?

\\Every corporation in the world is headed by a potential "oligarch"... he becomes one when he enters a public-private partnership and his corporate advantages secured and "priviledged" through laws and regulations, tax laws particularly.

Still, I don't get it.
We can produce and have all that goodies... without corporations???
HOW???
Please, give more details or... that looks for me too much the same as with any other cocialistic experiment -- lots of flashy proposals... and zero ideas about how it can be done in the Real World. Which saturates to bloodshed and baraks of concentration camps.

\\It's called AnCap. Anarcho-Capitalism. Work for yourself, or starve.

Never heard that it is like that... but well, I never was too much into it.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The model is there. It's called "The Third Wave" by Toffler.

And the "how" is old tech. Tariffs to keep out overseas corporations and taxes on domestic corporations that are "higher" than those taxes paid by smaller businesses and partnerships (offsetting "economies of scale"). The bigger you are, the higher the taxes.

The focus will no longer be on optimizing "aggregate efficiencies". There will be no public-private cooperation to achieve the seamless movement of products globally. And as far as labour is concerned, no more "open borders". Let the Ukraine become a "nation of immigrants".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I want America to become a nation of shop owners again, not a nation of salaried renters. Main Street shop-owners over Wall Street bankers.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...a different set of national priorities... bankrolling wars in Ukraine NOT being one of them.

Q said...

\\...a different set of national priorities... bankrolling wars in Ukraine NOT being one of them.

There is thing that one cannot ignore.
And I not yet devised tech to fix that... but, no, why? there is one -- virtual reality -- go live in Matrix, there'd be only that problems you'd like to solve. ;-P

\\And the "how" is old tech. Tariffs to keep out overseas corporations and taxes on domestic corporations that are "higher" than those taxes paid by smaller businesses and partnerships (offsetting "economies of scale"). The bigger you are, the higher the taxes.

Question is HOW???
How you'd persude people to do it YOUR way???
And I bet -- you do not have a clue.
But from other side, if you have -- I would look into it, would listen about more details -- to learn how to use it for my purposes. ;-)

And... well, there is inner contradiction in it.
Unavoidable.

Businesses tend to grow in scale -- that is unavoidable, because that is WHOLE PURPOSE of it.
And partnerships if grow in scale tend dillute and lose all frendliness in it. Becoming "nothing personal, just business".

Well.
Yet again.
My idea compatible with such views. As it decentralised by definition -- the more people will have access to basic tools, and will be able to share their experience and achivments -- the better. ;-P

Q said...

To sum it up.

Anybody can own my artifical animals. And nearly anybody can tweak and improve, and control their breeding.

Small business, as you said. ;-)

Even to a level of eliminating need for taxes. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\...a different set of national priorities... bankrolling wars in Ukraine NOT being one of them.
/There is thing that one cannot ignore.
And I not yet devised tech to fix that... but, no, why? there is one -- virtual reality -- go live in Matrix, there'd be only that problems you'd like to solve. ;-P

\\And the "how" is old tech. Tariffs to keep out overseas corporations and taxes on domestic corporations that are "higher" than those taxes paid by smaller businesses and partnerships (offsetting "economies of scale"). The bigger you are, the higher the taxes.
/Question is HOW???
How you'd persude people to do it YOUR way???
And I bet -- you do not have a clue.
But from other side, if you have -- I would look into it, would listen about more details -- to learn how to use it for my purposes. ;-)

We've got 20 Republicans. Now we just need 200 more.

/And... well, there is inner contradiction in it.
Unavoidable.
Businesses tend to grow in scale -- that is unavoidable, because that is WHOLE PURPOSE of it.
And partnerships if grow in scale tend dillute and lose all frendliness in it. Becoming "nothing personal, just business".
Well.
Yet again.
My idea compatible with such views. As it decentralised by definition -- the more people will have access to basic tools, and will be able to share their experience and achivments -- the better. ;-P

That's the point. When you're small, you can't afford taxes. As you get bigger and become more successful, you can.

/To sum it up.
Anybody can own my artifical animals. And nearly anybody can tweak and improve, and control their breeding.
Small business, as you said. ;-)
Even to a level of eliminating need for taxes. ;-P

Then we're in sync.

Q said...

Quit bragging. ;-P
That is neither your invention (Lem's) nor you are proficcient enough in it (look at asians). ;-P That famous "am I a man who dream about being butterfly, or... butterfly who dream about being man".

\\We've got 20 Republicans. Now we just need 200 more.

Ah... then, I wish success... in this long-long journey.

\\That's the point. When you're small, you can't afford taxes. As you get bigger and become more successful, you can.

Who PAYing taxes? ;-)

\\Then we're in sync.

Desho. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Who PAYing taxes? ;-)

Same as the Greeks. Whoever is richer than me. ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I'm just an oarsman on this trireme.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and I no Greek. I'm a Trojan!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and we own this field!

Q said...

This thread seems like fizzling out too...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You could comment someplace else...

Q said...

That is not a problem.

Problem is... topic. :-(

Q said...

\\Who PAYing taxes? ;-)

I mean from economical standpoint.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Who? Me, of course (see the highest paying category).

Q said...

His "Yunkie at the King Arthur..."???

He explained it the best way, I would hardly can. ;-P

In short... businesses DO NOT pay taxes... because??? because they add it to a price. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...the cost of "government". Now they do it another way. Inflation. An "invisible" tax.

Q said...

Do not like inflation? Wanna return to sweet old time of cyclic depressions???

How much of economy science you know, care about? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yes, I do. They are anti-fragile.

btw - The obscene Master is not a direct reaction to the failure of the traditional Master. This figure is a reaction to the fact that expert knowledge, pure technocracy, cannot properly function. It has to be supplemented by the new figure of a Master.

As the American experience is now playing out, our technologically driven "Society of Control" will choose them for us. Democracy is no longer required.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

How much of economy science you know?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I also took an Accounting class at a local Community College, and a class on analysing finacial reports as a Graduate student.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Oh, and a "Personal Finance" course as an undergrad.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I had a subscription to the Wall Street Journal for about 3 years, too. Does that count?

Q said...

Well, I bet on that you know an answer yourself.

Which doctor, auto-mechanic you'd like -- one who have more diplomas on his wall... or one who can cure you, your car? ;-P

\\\\How much of economy science you know?

Then... you must be know that history -- why modern type of money was introduced?

\\Yes, I do. They are anti-fragile.

\\btw - The obscene Master is not a direct reaction to the failure of the traditional Master. This figure is a reaction to the fact that expert knowledge, pure technocracy, cannot properly function. It has to be supplemented by the new figure of a Master.

\\As the American experience is now playing out, our technologically driven "Society of Control" will choose them for us. Democracy is no longer required.

I do not see where this comment coming from.

But... if you want to discuss economical politics of your country with me -- you know my stance.

It's technol;ogical.

Means -- state your goal. And I can (try to) devise a plan, a set of tools to fix/mirigate/overthrow it. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I do not see where this comment coming from.

I think that you do. Technology doesn't provide answers. It turns old problems into new ones. And I am a conservative.

Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others.
- Ambrose Bierce

Q said...

That is not possible. Today.

We are two random drops falling in a Waterfall of Changes who suddenly appeared to be near to chit-chat. ;-P

So??? What is that you want to conserve, again?

Who knows, maybe I could devise a plan of conservation of it. ;-)

Well, your Dems are true conservatives today. Why you not Dem?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I've lost most of the things I had once hoped to conserve. A "way of life" has become a "lifestyle". Nuclear families have become a quaint minority. Pride of nation and race has become "shameful". People no longer own property. I inherited 20 acres of farmland and sold it for a down payment on 1/4 lot with a house. The rural life has become an urban one... and the politics have moved to represent urban values with it. I have rural values, not urban ones. And the possibility of restoring those values has almost entirely disappeared. We've ceased being "landowners/ holders" and become gypsies. We've gone from being "owners" to being "renters".

Our family's farm was a "century farm". Now, we no longer own/farm it. WWII was the beginning of the end, as my mother's/father's generation all went off to war and national service, and America's national industries "globalized".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and yes, tech made it possible for my great-grandfather's 400 acre farm to eventually be farmed by 1 man (my uncle Don). After my uncle Don passed, there were no kids left to take over. They had all gone to college and moved off the farm. So it's gone, along with all my fond memories of summers spent there. My kids only saw it once... they never lived the rural life, of the "primal" American experience.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

My California relatives were just as nostalgic. This is my uncle Louie describing some of the items he sold to the city museum.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Q said...

\\I've lost most of the things I had once hoped to conserve.

\\A "way of life" has become a "lifestyle". Nuclear families have become a quaint minority. Pride of nation and race has become "shameful". People no longer own property.

\\I inherited 20 acres of farmland and sold it for a down payment on 1/4 lot with a house. The rural life has become an urban one... and the politics have moved to represent urban values with it. I have rural values, not urban ones. And the possibility of restoring those values has almost entirely disappeared.

History is cyclic. They say.
Did you heared about sea-steading? ;-) My tech quite compatible with it.

\\Our family's farm was a "century farm". Now, we no longer own/farm it. WWII was the beginning of the end, as my mother's/father's generation all went off to war and national service, and America's national industries "globalized".

Your family was luckiest. AFAIK, most of farmers gone broke BEFORE WW2.

And I even would not start tlking about "kulaks" here...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Seasteading sounds like an urbanization of the oceans, so again, no "rural values". I'd rather become a humble Maryland Waterman fishing and crabbing on the many inlets of the Chesapeake Bay, but as you probably know, urban pollution has almost wiped out all the crab and rockfish native to the bay. Meager harvests indeed when compared to the early days of James Michener's "Chesapeake"

Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" best explain the economic co-dependencies between rural and urban areas, including the value and types of crops grown relative to their proximity to urban towns/cities.

Again, what destroyed them for Europe and the Ukraine were the "politics" and problems associated with urbanization. Ukraine should be a rural paradise, much like America's mid-West where our family farm had been located (NW Iowa).

Q said...

\\Seasteading sounds like an urbanization of the oceans, so again, no "rural values".

Yes, with time. But at first it'll be frontier.

\\Again, what destroyed them for Europe and the Ukraine were the "politics" and problems associated with urbanization. Ukraine should be a rural paradise, much like America's mid-West where our family farm had been located (NW Iowa).

Hehm... then you are lost it for around 2-3 thousand years...

It's time when first cities appeared... and proved its robustness.

Anti-fragility, as you say.

"rural paradise" is too damn fragile, in comparation. :-/

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\Seasteading sounds like an urbanization of the oceans, so again, no "rural values".

Yes, with time. But at first it'll be frontier.

But it will also be an urbanized spot... where "time efficiency" and "concentration" are valued. I'll pass unless you're talking aquafarms on the bottom of the ocean raising kelp, crabs, oysters, and certain fish species.

\\Again, what destroyed them for Europe and the Ukraine were the "politics" and problems associated with urbanization. Ukraine should be a rural paradise, much like America's mid-West where our family farm had been located (NW Iowa).
/Hehm... then you are lost it for around 2-3 thousand years...
It's time when first cities appeared... and proved its robustness.
Anti-fragility, as you say.

Cities are for surplus populations made for consuming the rural surplus production and providing emplyment for those not needed on the farms due to mechanization/ automation (tech development).

"rural paradise" is too damn fragile, in comparation. :-/

BS. Rural Paradise is for collecting the suplus of nature.... the overabundance of the Earth's natural processes.

Q said...

\\Cities are for surplus populations made for consuming the rural surplus production and providing emplyment for those not needed on the farms due to mechanization/ automation (tech development).

Naah...
What would do that rural dwellers... without iron tools and fabric, and medicines, and all that funny, but still (somehow) important cultural things? Festivals, churches... books. ;-)

Well, village itself... that is small town. Bear with it. ;-P

\\BS. Rural Paradise is for collecting the suplus of nature.... the overabundance of the Earth's natural processes.

Technology! Technology! Technology!

Even collecting -- that is Technology. Undeniable.

And well, my tech is about it, yes. About grooming "the overabundance of the Earth's natural processes." ;-)

Q said...

Well... I forced to admit... I have the same problem as you, as any other sentient human being (not like Derpy or Nigero) -- eternal(ehm, yes, funny claim from a thinking reed) struggle with imposing own crazy ideas about Reality... on Reality itself. :-)))) (homeric laughter)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

So the people in urban areas just go to the grocery store? lol!

Q said...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Why are most town, urban areas, located where they are located (geographically)?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Or to be specific, why is "Chicago" located where it is?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or more relatable, why is "Odessa" located where IT is?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I'll give you a hint, "What do Chicago" and "Odessa" have in common?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

On a side note, why do you think that this is the busiest airport in the world?

Q said...

From structure of your comments I can convey that you wanna tell me... or more like, force me to grasp, something dead simple and obvious.
Like a teacher to a dumb student.

But... from my previous experience I can tell that it can be tedious.
And well, I know for myself, that I can be tough with understanding simple things. Over-thinking is my sin.
So.

Did you mean that towns grow in a place of small villages???
Well, some of them are amalgamation of surrounding central place.
specially in Europe.

\\Why are most town, urban areas, located where they are located (geographically)?

Clearly not because lots and lots of fertile land, open for Rural Paradise making. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

They are located in places to most efficiently dispose of and trade a region's surplus', be they natural resources like minerals, agriculture, or manufactured products. They are normally on waterways (for ease of transport), but the largest cities are also nearest the most agriculturally fertile regions, as land values (rents) in these increase the closer you get to the urban trading center. The agricultural intensity also increases, the closer one gets to the city, for things like milk/eggs garden vegetable will spoil on the way to market, otherwise. The closer you get to the city, the more developed the farm, as the "wages earned" and "rents charged for real estate" depend upon and increase the closer to urban trading center you go. Ranches with cattle and grasslands, will be farthest away, as cattle sheep can be driven long distances. Heavier and more perishable products will be produced closer to markets. It's all "Adam Smith"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The most valuable products will be traded in the city center. That's where you'll also find all the banks/ financial institutions needed to conduct or guarantee the financial transactions conducted in any one particular region.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The trade of "lighter" but "expensive/ more valuable" products will be through the air... with high end electronics transferring through places like Anchorage Alaska. Heavier/less costly materials will generally go by sea. Mid-range/ Mid-cost materials overland by train/truck.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The "capitalist discourse" organizes everything... from city location and transportation route to products consumed in the need to create the least cost and greatest aggregate efficiencies.

Q said...

\\Heavier and more perishable products will be produced closer to markets. It's all "Adam Smith"

I must be knowing that much. As it all beyond obvious.

One thing only, I'd not be so certain. That is "It's all "Adam Smith"".

Means... market defines PRICES. And prices give information to a producer of goods for sell -- what to do.
That is reason of how England eliminated its farmers for the sake of breeding more sheeps, to make more wool, to make more fabric on manufactures.

Or something between that lines.

\\The "capitalist discourse" organizes everything...

Or... that is Principle of Less Action. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...the same sort of actions that lead to the Tea Tax and American Revolution in 1776...

Q said...

Do you have theory, or sound hipothesis for at least? I would like to hear.

You know already, I interested in simulation of History, so I'd like to know such things. ;-)

Q said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvo_combat_model

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester%27s_laws#Lanchester.27s_Square_Law

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sorry, that "salvo combat and Lacheister Square law sounds far too "rational" for me. I'm more into the psychology of warfare... like the psychology of Saddam Hussein's forces sitting in their dug-in sand bunkers after a few B-52 attacks in Gulf Wat I (Kuwait). How many salvos it takes to psychologically break an enemy before any battle even begins.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Besides, when I launch a "salvo"... it's meant to saturate an enemy's defenses. In other words, I'm only going to launch 1 salvo.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

There'll be no "retaliatory strike".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.

Say hello to my "Everything bagel".

Q said...

\\Sorry, that "salvo combat and Lacheister Square law sounds far too "rational" for me. I'm more into the psychology of warfare... like the psychology of Saddam Hussein's forces sitting in their dug-in sand bunkers after a few B-52 attacks in Gulf Wat I (Kuwait). How many salvos it takes to psychologically break an enemy before any battle even begins.

And how do you calculate it? That psychological warfare? ;-P

Putin trying it... and look how astoundoingly he failing.
Or what? You still think that he wins? ;-)

Or that again your feelings and/or "psychological calculations"(sic!) :-))

\\There'll be no "retaliatory strike".

Reality, that unfair bitch, always find a way to retaliate. Even to a mightiest.
Remember, what happen with Alexander the Great? ;-P

Still.
"You know already, I interested in simulation of History, so I'd like to know such things. ;-)"

Or... maybe if you have yours.

Or, you just content with how our chit-chat going...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\Sorry, that "salvo combat and Lacheister Square law sounds far too "rational" for me. I'm more into the psychology of warfare... like the psychology of Saddam Hussein's forces sitting in their dug-in sand bunkers after a few B-52 attacks in Gulf Wat I (Kuwait). How many salvos it takes to psychologically break an enemy before any battle even begins.
/And how do you calculate it? That psychological warfare? ;-P

Do I calculate it? No. It's "irrational" and more intuitive.

Putin trying it... and look how astoundoingly he failing.
Or what? You still think that he wins? ;-)

He hasn't even started, he's still stockpiling the shells at firing positions in Donbas. It'll drop like a hammer on the Ukrainian trenches one day (very soon), and not stop. Just shell, after shell, after shell, after bomb, day after day. And then it will grow silent. And then the 300,000 new Russian recruits will advance toward Ukrainian lines and clean up whatever's left alive.

Or that again your feelings and/or "psychological calculations"(sic!) :-))

Just my "feelings". We'll soon see if I'm right/ wrong.

\\There'll be no "retaliatory strike".
Reality, that unfair bitch, always find a way to retaliate. Even to a mightiest.
Remember, what happen with Alexander the Great? ;-P

...and Lincoln. Yet the "confederacy" will still lose the war.

Still.
"You know already, I interested in simulation of History, so I'd like to know such things. ;-)"

My Systems Analysis simulations were always crude, and usually involved at least 3 options evaluated under 3 "scenarios", recommending the option that survived all three the "best" based upon the liklihood of each scenario materializing. If I had to define scenarios today I'd say:

1) Russia attacks Ukraine from all sides with 1 million troops. I put this probability at about 10%

2) Russia attacks Ukrain in East only w/300k fresh troops and bombs the rest of Ukraine. I'd put this probability at about 80%

3) Russia consolidates defensive positions and settles for "bleeding" Ukraine in accordance with NATO wishes. I put this probability at about 10%

Or... maybe if you have yours.

... and you, yours.

Or, you just content with how our chit-chat going...

I'm fine. It's the quality of the chit-chat that interests a Laconian.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - My "options" would be:

1 Negotiate in good faith

3. Don't negotiate.

I suspect option #1 would win under the 3 scarios presented previously.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Option #3 (the one you're currently persuing) only works best in the last scenario presented.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and that's working out best for NATO... not necessarily Ukraine.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Joe Conservative said...
Q said...

\\Do I calculate it? No. It's "irrational" and more intuitive.

That's... makes it unverbalaisable.
And that is whole problem.

\\He hasn't even started, he's still stockpiling the shells at firing positions in Donbas. It'll drop like a hammer on the Ukrainian trenches one day (very soon), and not stop.

Can you say it, frankly? That that is YOUR OWN thoughts and conciderations?
And not some carefully crfted and implanted into your brain with help of "psychological warfare"? ;-P

Or... you just don't care, that some crafty outsiders planting their thoughts into your head? ;-P

For their benefit, of course. Why they would do that for YOUR sake?

\\Just shell, after shell, after shell, after bomb, day after day.

Hah.
You just DO NOT KNOW facts.
Because.
If you'd know even that little as I am. You'd KNEW, that they ALREADY TRYED that.
In spring they was bragging about 1000 (thousand) shellings PER DAY.
Today, as I observe it, they CANNOT fire even 100 (hundred). Steadily.
And that is while frontlines keep reducing.
From nearly 2000 km in spring.
To nearly 1000 km in summer.
And to 500 in autmn.

\\And then it will grow silent. And then the 300,000 new Russian recruits will advance toward Ukrainian lines and clean up whatever's left alive.

On front of what length? For HIMARSes to use its rounds the best. ;-P

\\Just my "feelings". We'll soon see if I'm right/ wrong.

If you'd have actual data, you'd have actual feelings. And then... you'd know how wrong it is.
But you like that feeling of uncertainity too much.
Well, I not inclined to blame you.
You are not Russian. There is not effects of such ignorance. In your case.

\\...and Lincoln.

Heh... was he warmongering gictator/general/emperor wannabe? :-)))

\\1) Russia attacks Ukraine from all sides with 1 million troops. I put this probability at about 10%

If you'd care to know facts... you'd assigned to it - (minus) 100% ;-P

\\2) Russia attacks Ukrain in East only w/300k fresh troops and bombs the rest of Ukraine. I'd put this probability at about 80%

Easy... as it's what already happens. For as long as almost a year ALRADY.
Call it "prophecy", if you want.
That way you can call yourself "never erring prophet". :-))))

\\3) Russia consolidates defensive positions and settles for "bleeding" Ukraine in accordance with NATO wishes. I put this probability at about 10%

Well, not because they decided to do that... but because they freakingly CANNOT do anything else.

\\btw - My "options" would be:

1 Negotiate in good faith

3. Don't negotiate.

I suspect option #1 would win under the 3 scarios presented previously.

GO study Prisoner's Dillema for god sake. That pillar of modern diplomacy and deal making.

In short.
One freakingly UNABLE to "Negotiate in good faith" with someone who inclined to "Negotiate in bad faith"

\\...and that's working out best for NATO... not necessarily Ukraine.

I already described position of Ukraine to you -- genocide and total eradication in case of defeat.
Now, also a never wearing SHAME will fall -- to be defeated in such favorable circumstances. To snatch defeat from the claws of victory... as you on your turf saying. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Some figure from someone who should know:

https://youtu.be/RBO8JXsYvwo

3:55 ...in the last few months the Ukrainian artillery is said to have fired ish 20,000 Trails a day last summer and the Russians as nearly as 60,000 a day

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You're losing the artillery duel 3:1. And the Russian offensive hasn't even started.

Q said...

\\You're losing the artillery duel 3:1. And the Russian offensive hasn't even started.

By whose information. ;-P
Try to track who trying to "sell" to you such a nonsence... and you'll understand.

Disinformation -- that is one of most powerful types of "psychological warfare".
Look "Operatizon "Meanced meat"" ;-)

\\3:55 ...in the last few months the Ukrainian artillery is said to have fired ish 20,000 Trails a day last summer and the Russians as nearly as 60,000 a day

So what???
That is just a rough data.
Your logic? Where is it? Why it so important? This YOUR argument.
Or you just the same as TC/Nigero?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\You're losing the artillery duel 3:1. And the Russian offensive hasn't even started.
/By whose information. ;-P
Try to track who trying to "sell" to you such a nonsence... and you'll understand.
Disinformation -- that is one of most powerful types of "psychological warfare".
Look "Operatizon "Meanced meat"" ;-)

I posted the source, a former member of the OSCE that was monitoring artillery fire even before the Russian invasion began.

\\3:55 ...in the last few months the Ukrainian artillery is said to have fired ish 20,000 Trails a day last summer and the Russians as nearly as 60,000 a day
/So what???
That is just a rough data.
Your logic? Where is it? Why it so important? This YOUR argument.
Or you just the same as TC/Nigero?

Artillery is King on the battlefield, unless you're an American with air superiority... and only then does it become the "Queen". Napoleon didn't win battles with muskets. He won them with artillery.

Ukraine's supply lines are long and vulnerable to Russian air power. Russia's are short... and NATO won't give you weapons with the range to interdict Russian supply lines. Face facts. You're f'd.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - I love underdogs, but I don't give Ukraine very good odds in this fight. Take my advice. Cut a deal.

Q said...

\\https://www.the-sun.com/news/7163186/putin-ukraine-russia-700000-troops/

Information is all there... but you cannot see it.

Strange.

Joe Conservative said...

It's also here.

Q said...

Part 1

\\ps - I love underdogs, but I don't give Ukraine very good odds in this fight. Take my advice. Cut a deal.

Vlad do not want deal with Ukraine, he desires deal WITH YOU. With USA. ;-P

So? What concessions you are ready to propose to him to make a deal?

Options are:

Disband of NATO

Complete withdrawal from Europe

Return and paying fee for "russian lands" Alaska and California

No?
Then too bad. Bolivar will not hold two. ;-P

Part 2

You clearly not European. Europeans have it in their blood already -- understanding that "making deals" with such warmonging opportunist -- that is road to he... world war.
As it was with Hitler.

Part 3

Russian Propaganda ALREADY stating it clear.
That there is NO point to throw nukes at Ukraine.
That would be shoting own foot.

ONLY ICBMs at main Europe cities and Washington.

Go make a deal... with such a counterpart. I'd like to look at it.
From afar. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

So? What concessions you are ready to propose to him to make a deal?
Options are:
1Disband of NATO
2Complete withdrawal from Europe
3Return and paying fee for "russian lands" Alaska and California

I'm good w/1&2. He can shove #3.

Part 2
You clearly not European. Europeans have it in their blood already -- understanding that "making deals" with such warmonging opportunist -- that is road to he... world war.
As it was with Hitler.

Europe is NMP

Part 3
Russian Propaganda ALREADY stating it clear.
That there is NO point to throw nukes at Ukraine.
That would be shoting own foot.
ONLY ICBMs at main Europe cities and Washington.
Go make a deal... with such a counterpart. I'd like to look at it.
From afar. ;-P

I think taking out DC might be a good thing... so I'm okay with it.

Q said...

\\I'm good w/1&2. He can shove #3.

Then... you can make *personal* deal with Putin. Isn't it great idea? ;-P

\\Europe is NMP

Good. Yet better base for a deal. Your personal deal with Putin.

\\I think taking out DC might be a good thing... so I'm okay with it.

Great talking point you can help Putin and Putin can help you with.
And without language barier. Putin knows English. Enough.

PS Seems like you have a provision for a great hobby after retirment. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Then its' settled. I need to book a flight to Moscow.

Q said...

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

There's NO flights to Moscow. :-)))

Direct for at least.

Q said...

Well... I cannot see your emotions through mere texts.
That's way beyond my miserly capabilities.
So, I just play with words here.
Nothing personal implied.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Nothing personal taken. :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The negativity of the other can be quite refreshing. :p

Q said...

Hardly I was demonstrating negativity here... from my perspective... intentionally.

Well, this thread already too long, and seems like fizzled out of topics...

Joe Conservative said...