And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Tuesday, May 30, 2023

The "Soft" Racism of Political Correctness


Annalisa Merelli,"Slavoj Žižek thinks political correctness is exactly what perpetuates prejudice and racism"
Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek isn’t one to shy away from provocative observations. In a video published on the portal Big Think, he takes on something that is commonly employed as a sensible cultural practice: Political correctness. The academic calls it a form of “cold respect.” He argues that giving space to an occasional exchange of “friendly obscenities” allows for more closeness and gives way to honest exchanges.

Žižek reports several episodes in which his lack of politically correct boundaries has served him well, from dealing with the ethnic tensions in former Yugoslavia to becoming friendly with two black Americans after jokingly making a racist remark: “You blacks, like the yellow guys, you all look the same” he reports saying to them, adding, “they embraced me and they told me, you can call me nigga.”)

“I’m well aware that we should not just walk around and humiliate each other,” says the philosopher. And yet he finds that “there is something so fake about political correctness”—something that, according to him, prevents a true overcoming of prejudice and racism. Žižek explains:

That’s my problem with po
litical correctness. It’s just a form of self discipline which really doesn’t allow you to overcome racism. It’s just oppressed, controlled racism.

Žižek’s words might be blunt, but his point is valid.

Political correctness stems from the understanding that racism and inequality exist, and that in lieu of fixing those problems, prettier language will do the trick—as if by using inoffensive words and avoiding crass jokes we are to paint over the filth of reality. Politically correct expressions, to Žižek, become patronizing because they actually highlight inequalities. As the philosopher notes, “one needs to be very precise not to fight racism in a way which ultimately reproduces, if not racism itself, at least the conditions of racism.”

The subtext of every carefully chosen, politically correct, expression is that there are still people in a position so privileged that they need to refer to “others” in a way that is not offensive—that doesn’t, for instance, make reference to their origin, or skin color. The implication is that there is nothing possibly offensive in the speaker’s skin tone or their origin. Jokes and blunt words can’t scratch their confidence—no, it’s only the rest of the population who needs the protection of politically correct language.

Beyond the offensive jokes, avoiding politically correct language is also about calling things by their name. Just like a family friend’s three-year-old nephew who, back from his first day of kindergarten, excitedly told his parents: “I have a new friend! He’s all brown!”

And it is not just race, of course, that Žižek talks about. Gender, disability–anything that diverges from norms presented in society or media–are all coated with neutral words and behaviors, by the very people who claim to be accepting of it. This special language, despite its intentions, serves to reinforce certain conditions as special, fragile, and weak.

Can we dare to see differences for what they are—nothing else than differences? And can we ever safely name them, perhaps even with the occasional offensive joke?

Perhaps adopting a little of Žižek’s attitude would indeed result in what he refers to as a ”wonderful sense of shared obscene solidarity.” It might generate misunderstanding, but if a more light-hearted approach is adopted in a genuine way, that would reflect a profound belief that the other isn’t weaker, doesn’t need anyone’s protection, and is at our level—hence can openly be made fun of, just as we do of ourselves.


Anonymous said...


As I tryed to explain it to Derpy.

That all that "politcorectness" thing -- that is shallow substitution of fighting for social justice (so all that people of color and etc would be able to grow) for some "protecting em from foul language".

Joe Conservative said...

...I believe Zizek is also correct in this. It prevents "intimacy" and "true friendship". For both to exist, "obscenity" is a necessary ingredient. For one does not "politely" 'f one's wife.

Joe Conservative said...

...and so it keeps "racism" alive.

Joe Conservative said...

ARe you familiar with Plato's "Lysis"? From Wikipedia" Lysis (/ˈlaɪsɪs/; Greek: Λύσις, genitive case Λύσιδος, showing the stem Λύσιδ-, from which the infrequent translation Lysides), is a dialogue of Plato which discusses the nature of philia (φιλία), often translated as friendship, while the word's original content was of a much larger and more intimate bond.[1] It is generally classified as an early dialogue.

The main characters are Socrates, the boys Lysis and Menexenus who are friends, as well as Hippothales, who is in unrequited love with Lysis and therefore, after the initial conversation, hides himself behind the surrounding listeners. Socrates proposes four possible notions regarding the true nature of loving friendship as:

Friendship between people who are similar, interpreted by Socrates as friendship between good men.
Friendship between men who are dissimilar.
Friendship between men who are neither good nor bad and good men.
Gradually emerging: friendship between those who are relatives (οἰκεῖοι "not kindred") by the nature of their souls.

Of all those options, Socrates thinks that the only logical possibility is the friendship between men who are good and men who are neither good nor bad.

In the end, Socrates seems to discard all these ideas as wrong, although his para-logical refutations have strong hints of irony about them.

Joe Conservative said...

I think I prefer Byung-Chul Han's interpretation (since political correctness is ultimately a form of coercion):

“As the entrepreneur of its own self, the neoliberal subject has no capacity for relationships with others that might be free of purpose. Nor do entrepreneurs know what purpose-free friendship would even look like. Originally, being free meant being among friends. ‘Freedom’ and ‘friendship’ have the same root in Indo-European languages. Fundamentally, freedom signifies a relationship. A real feeling of freedom occurs only in a fruitful relationship – when being with others brings happiness. But today’s neoliberal regime leads to utter isolation; as such, it does not really free us at all. Accordingly, the question now is whether we need to redefine freedom – to reinvent it – in order to escape from the fatal dialectic that is changing freedom into coercion.”
― Byung-Chul Han, "Psychopolitics: Neoliberalism and New Technologies of Power"

Q said...

\\ "obscenity" is a necessary ingredient.

I'd like to see Derpy(any Demn)'s reaction on this. ;-P

Still... I would call it, inevitable... yes, following Lem. :-)))

\\In the end, Socrates seems to discard all these ideas as wrong, although his para-logical refutations have strong hints of irony about them.

You know me. I'm cybernetic. ;-)

\\ (since political correctness is ultimately a form of coercion):

Well... eternal difference between etic... and etiquette. ;-P

\\But today’s neoliberal regime leads to utter isolation;

Not regime... mass-producing technologies.

That is century (or two already), story...

And you know my stance -- to fix flaws of one tech... only some other, new one, would be needed.

Anonymous said...

It would be a little helpful, to know, is that my blurts was seen by you as "it's OK, no need to answer" or "what a BS, don't need to react to it even"?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sometimes there is simply "aporia"... as some problems are unsolvable. Hence the expression "Meden agan" as one's "solutions" bounce between polemic poles... or "quantum" states.... searching for stability in that "golden mean" or perfect proportion.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Every "tech" contains the seeds (A FLAW) of it's own destruction.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and yes, its' rude not to react to your comments in some manner. But many dialogues end in "aporia". I should have done an emoji.

Anonymous said...


Q said...

\\...as some problems are unsolvable

There is always open possibility to make OWN ideal artifical system.

That in process of designing and using will grow more and more realistic and natural... until it'll meet that end of each thing that is real and natural. ..

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...ala "Kuleshov Effect"?

Q said...

that... looks more like like moder NNs.

When even small additional noise, can reduce recognition.

Do you see Capcha lately? ;-)

What I said... that is more like about System's Engineering life cycle of any product, tech, system. ;-)

Q said...

\\Do you see Capcha lately? ;-)

:-( rebut to a Derpy cry that I am not foreigner :-(

Have you seen Captcha images lately?
Is it better this way?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

No, not lately. I hate that thing!

Q said...

I. Cannot complain. While going as anon. ;-P

Well. They started to give noisy images. I think exactly because of that known today flaw of NNs. Small noise/inconsistency can reduce recognition drasticly.

Well... the same as with us people -- if information is TOO new, it makes us doubfounded. :-)

Anonymous said...


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I get a "Gone" message with your link. :(


Anonymous said...


It expired.

Anonymous said...

Watched yet one film... movie, about your national character.

Not sure if you saw it.

"My one-and-only". About your 50th. ;-)

Lighthearted and entertaining I found it. In your Holywood ganre "road movie"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Our national character is neither lighthearted nor entertaining. I think a music video would do it better justice...

...I just watched the trailer. Never seen it.

Anonymous said...

Give it a benefit of a doubt... of nostalgia, would ya?

Are you not nostalgic, of 50th? Can it not stirr filling of nostalgia?

Well... 50th(or 60th, or 70th, or... ) in Soviet Union and around -- for sure cannot. I myself know only nostalgia about something that never was... and never could be.

So... cherish that... ;-)

Well... synopsis is similar to one of Will Hunting. Story about boy... and his growth, into someone resembling a man. ;-P

Q said...

Well... if it would not for "magic of Hollywood" AKA Imminent Happyend.

It would be regular gloomy european movie... film.


Knockin' on Heaven's Door (1997) - IMDb
www.imdb.com › title

Two terminally ill patients escape from a hospital, steal a car and rush towards the ...

hilarity ensured?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Nostalgia isn't always a good thing. It can mean that the future has been foreclosed, and that you can only look back (which is the case here in America).

Like "Knockin' on Heaven's Door". It's only when there's no hope that you can afford to "risk" something new... for you have nothing to lose. You become Nietzsche's Ariadne on Naxos. Theseus abandons her, so she seeks out and finds Dionysus. A camel, a lion, a child. 3 stages.

We're at Fukayama's "End of History". 'Ef the "last men". They're in the process of destroying themselves (nuclear war with Russia) in a last-gasp attempt to save themselves. The lemmings are headed towards the cliff, and I no longer run with them.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Did you watch the tv series "Mr Robot".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

What do you think of Adam Curtis' Hypernormaisation" and "Can't get you out of my head"? Think there's anything to them?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...


On his "paranoiac critical" method.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I know his "Traumazone" didn't impress you. You basically pooh-poohed the 6 hour feature.

Anonymous said...

\\Did you watch the tv series "Mr Robot".


Semi-right depiction of "underworld" of hackers.

But... with too much romanticism added to it. Like ability to unite, to share and follow some goal... :-/

Is there a second season? Well, not very interested to know. Kinda the same like with that gag/meme about "What a pitty that there's no second serie of Matrix".

\\The lemmings are headed towards the cliff, and I no longer run with them.

Hard task... near to Mission Impossible. But quite not that spectacular.

Why do you think Musk so inclined to run away to Mars. ;-)

\\A camel, a lion, a child. 3 stages.

Not for europeans anymore(?). It seems. :-(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Not even Hegelians? Thesis/antithesis/synthesis?

No, we've foreclosed your future, as well as our own. Hence lilPut's push for "multipolarity"... and away from the multi-culti corporate freak show of open borders without trade barriers.

Anonymous said...

Our future coming closer and closer to that Haribda-bottleneck... of World War... :-((((

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It certainly appears that way. Trying to stop the neoliberal coalition that controls the US government and is driving us into conflict is proving increasingly difficult.

Anonymous said...

Not my cup of tea... to talk about your inner political brawls...

maybe, when it would became more worldly (like... USA unite with EU... pn per-state base ;-))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

What started as the United States of America has become the United State of America. I don't think that you really want to head in that direction. :(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A confederacy or "Arcadian League"... I'm willing to talk about. :)

Anonymous said...

\\What started as the United States of America has become the United State of America. I don't think that you really want to head in that direction. :(

It's beyond my or anybody wants or want-nots. :-(

There is laws and rules of Nature at play.

Into Convergence.

Only... new tech can create some new rule of Divergence. ;-)

Like with giving a power of having OWN separate habitat. On or in the deeps of the ocean. On the Mars. In Space. At far-far-away star. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Entropy is hard to fight. :(

Anonymous said...

"If you cannot fight... try to lead". ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or run away! ;)

Anonymous said...

Out of own flash and skin?

Anonymous said...

Eternal dialogue

- We will capture you completely. Until the last metre. We will torture, torture, rape you, regardless of age, gender, physical condition. We will humiliate you, remove historical memory, transform you. We will kill those who will not be retrained.

- For what?

- Weird question. We've been doing this for hundreds of years. Your surprise is due to your amazing forgetfulness, and not our cunning and dodgy lies. We are quite consistent in our actions. Such are the properties of the system of our society, such is our traditional social attitude, our destiny. That's not all. We will also corrupt your religious beliefs. This is very easy to do. You just need to select the most notorious villains from your midst and instruct them to lead the church. Sooner or later, their deeds will affect your attitude towards religion.

- What is it for? Religion calls for humility. It seems to be your natural ally.

- Not certainly in that way. Your god is too free. In addition, you have taken the wrong position in a religious dispute. You don't want to turn the other cheek. You want to rip out an eye for an eye. This needs to be eradicated. A lot will have to be eradicated. Sense of dignity, need for freedom, self-organization of society. Your traditional will, finally. She must disappear. You have beautiful, well-groomed villages, you treat each other with care, consider yourself bearers of European values, you are humane, civilized, and very attached to your historical roots. Is that so?

- Yes.

Anonymous said...

- We will change all of this. You must become us. You are what we would like to be. But we can't. This is due to our origin and historical background. If we cannot be like you, you will have to become us. You get used to it. This prospect seems tragic only at first glance. You will soon realize that dirt is the optimal environment for existence. We do not waste our spiritual strength trying to reach the standard of living of developed peoples. We know our destiny: those born in the mud must remain in it. It is our destiny and the source of our strength. Agree - it's easier to get something dirty than to wash it. We are not held back by hypocritical universal morality. We will always splash and spread. Destroying civilizational superstructures, we will return everyone to the original, sinful essence of man. We are traditionalists. We are the bearers of true morality. By extolling life, you are contrary to the plan of God, who created people as mortals. Life is worth nothing. Remember Anaxagoras of Klazomensky. When he was informed of the death of his son, he calmly replied: "I knew that I had begotten a mortal." There is wisdom in these words that you lack. You reproach Russian mothers for not coming either for their captured sons or for the bodies of their sons. Your consciousness simply has not grown up to the level of these women. You are amazed by our cruelty. Don't you understand that only strong stimuli can transform a personality? This is the simplest psychology: pain shock, confusion, constant direct and indirect imperative influence on the victim, breaking the victim’s consciousness, justifying his own passivity, suggesting the thought of the failure of the usual cultural and moral stereotypes, and, finally, the protective-unconscious traumatic connection between the victim and the aggressor. We are changing you. We are improving you.

- Wouldn't it be better to kill us all?

- It must be admitted that this is a pleasant, but not a constructive version of the development of the situation for us. We need your talents, your abilities, your creative nature. You must feed us in our further conquests. We need your fighting spirit put to our service. You, your children, your children's children must fight and die in the wars we will wage. How can we avoid this fate?

- To do this, you have only one way: as soon as we enter your land - kill us.

- Will you ever back down from your plans?

- Maybe. To do this, you must all be fully united. From small to large, from the extreme point of your country in the south to the extreme point in the north, from east to west. You must treat every one of our supporters like a dirty pedophile. You must eradicate everything in yourself that is connected with us. We are pathogenic bacteria. Our smallest particle is enough to infect you with weakness. We rarely come uninvited. Every Ukrainian must turn into a bullet flying at our temples, everyone must say: "here you, creatures, will find your death." Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, addressing the Turks, said: "The power you need is in your blood." When your blood finally wakes up, we will leave you alone. We submit to power. Nothing else. Because we are Russia.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Good luck with that! ;)

Anonymous said...

You feeding me some excerpts from Ancient Greeks. ;-P

So, I found it possible to give to you back some modern time rethoric. ;-)

If you don't like it, say it?

And to whom you wishing good luck? To yourself?

You know, there still thousands of warheads... in Russia.
And what cooridinates they designated too?

PS Well, we was bickering about it for quite some time. Not because I want to talk about it so much. Just because Reality nagging. :-(

Anonymous said...

Well... do you believe in honesty of that dovish speach of Xi??? Last one.

That after he declared "We preparing to war. And all World need to pay attention to it"?

Or... you still inclined to wait for NEXT Pearl Harbor?

Anonymous said...

Historical reminder.

Beijing -- that is TRONE of Chinghishan.

But well, I know, I know... that all is so Old World talks to you.

You do not have, do not know, do not care about that freezing cold feeling of European... from mentioning of "danger from East". :-/

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The best way to counter an enemy's capabilities lie with greater capabilities. Rhetoric means nothing. Acta non Verba!

ps - Modern rhetoric hasn't met Lindy's challenge. Ancient Greek rhetoric, has.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - IMO America could conquer the world (militarily). We don't WANT to. We're (and the world) better off NOT doing so. If given a real reason to do so, an attractive end goal that politicians sold us truthfully, we'd do it in a heartbeat. But they prefer to lie to us and deceive us. Nothing disrespects us and earns our greater wrath.

Look, I sympathize with Russia's neighbors. But they need to man up. We're not Team America, World Police.

Anonymous said...

\\The best way to counter an enemy's capabilities lie with greater capabilities.

Innitiative always on the side of agressor... yawn.

\\We're not Team America, World Police.

And not neighbourhood guard/watch too? ;-)

Well... sorry for my this rethorical excercises. You know, and I know that I am not proficient in it. :-(

And well, have not motive to be proficient.

Just you know... things that disturb me, as anybody else.

PS Still... there's stil that big C question too. Question you cannot thrug off with that "We are not...". Cause -- You ARE.

Anonymous said...

\\ps - Modern rhetoric hasn't met Lindy's challenge. Ancient Greek rhetoric, has.

Well... I could find an Ancient Greek analogue... like Femistocle's speach?

but that would be disingenious. And would mean that I realy want to reach under your skin and try to persuade you.

But... for now(?), you know that my pet peevy is Lem's texts... and certain technological perspectives which stem from them... :-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

PS Still... there's stil that big C question too. Question you cannot thrug off with that "We are not...". Cause -- You ARE.

No... "some Americans" are. I am not one of "them". I'm a paleocon, NOT a neocon. I'm a "Federalist Papers" American, not an Aaron Burr "Imperialist" one. You should try appealing to them, because you waste your time with me. Unless you want to talk about science, fiction or reality.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

In that's still the case, let's have at it. If not, I understand. You're better off colluding with willing neighbors in a common struggle.... working to change Russian (not American) hearts and minds.

Anonymous said...

\\You should try appealing to them, because you waste your time with me.

Forgive me.
That is just a figure of speach.
There are other. More distantiated. Like when people talk about alternative history or something. Modes to discuss such things...
But there no such protocols installed in our communication. :-/

Another word... that is just a phantome-artefacts. That, that I try to reassure you into something...

Well, there is some people who proclaim directly -- that they don't like to talk about this or that sphere. Like politic. Or religion. Or whatever.

\\Unless you want to talk about science, fiction or reality.

That is all I want. Well, like to do. Thank you.

\\working to change Russian (not American) hearts and minds.

What for? Useless thing to do.

PS If you start feeling annoyed. Sorry about that.

I gave that text higher -- just an example, to communicate -- what would you feel from it.
Maybe that was premature, unwise or misplaced.

So, if we'd end this thread here -- it's O.K.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Let's just agree to disagree about American aid to Ukraine/NATO,and leave it at that. No need to take statement in support or against personally. I won't if you don't.

Anonymous said...

Well... it's easy for me, as there was no such point or reason for me to rise such. What-so-ever. :-)
About "American aid to Ukraine/NATO".
Not my cup of tea. As foreigner.

On the contrary.

Position of USA in current state of the World -- that is nagging Reality itself.

Reason why I do not envy Biden or would dream about walking in his shoes.

So, I admit, my behavior maybe look not completely sincere here. As it may look like I am trying to yoke someone with decision making. To make decision I'd like to boot.

Well... that is not exactly true. As I do not know what decision would be right. Or desirable.

And that not knowing... makes me curious.
And when curious, I can be a little bit too much stubborn.

Guilty as Hell. :-)

That's all.

At least from how I see it. Now.

Anonymous said...

Well... there is one question, we can discuss here, without pulling on soul strings of each other, I think, I hope.


About cultural preferences.

I think I will not make you surprised with claim that I accustomed to communication in Russian-speaking segment of Inet, isn't it? :-)

And there... there was such a freedom of discussing pretty much anything and everything. Hyper-Compensation for the all previous times of totalitarian soviets. Maybe.

And that was matching good with my own preferences of relentless talker. (I guess I can admit it here... without much surprise effect too)


In English-speaking. USA mostly, segment. It do not work like that?

There is some arcane rules -- of what can be discussed, or what cannot?
Or something?

PS Sorry for misplaced curiosity, if something...
what if somehow such matters is also tabooed. :-/

PPS Also... I feel like I improved my English using here, in your blog. Somewhat.
But, it's hard to be a fair judge of self...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yes, there are all sorts of unwritten rules for different social groups.... like in baseball... when to "charge the mound"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...


Anonymous said...

\\say, of a colonized subject who lives under the domination of the colonizing culture—is to mimic the dominant discourse, but with a distance, so that what he does and says is like what the colonizers themselves do... almost like it, with an unfathomable difference which makes his Otherness all the more palpable.

Quite phatomable. Colonizators NEVER will admit they are equal wih colonized.

\\it is the foreigner emulating faithfully the rules of the dominant culture he wants to penetrate and identify with, who is condemned forever to remain an outsider, because he fails to practice, to participate in, the self-distance of the dominant culture, the unwritten rules which tell us how and when to violate the explicit rules of this culture.


Me. :-)))

Or much shorter version -- that anecdote about monkeys.

When there was easily reachable banana plced in a chamber with monkey.
But... each time ANY mokey would try to grab it -- all was sprinkled with cold water.
So, "community", "society" quickly learns to punish prematurely those ones who'd try to do that.

But than... one by one. Monkeys removed. And new added. After which newcomers recieve punishment...
until, nobody of initial group who knew what that punishment was for.

Guess, what happened then? ;-)

Anonymous said...

\\like in baseball... when to "charge the mound"

Way too early for me even to try to phatome. :-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Kill all the newcomers...

Anonymous said...

Ah... oh... isolationism? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...


Anonymous said...

Tribalism? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sounds right.

Anonymous said...

Only size much bigger, than any viable tribe possible...

Anonymous said...

When system fails... it naturally falls back into its previous state.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

"Intelligence means choosing-between. It is not entirely free in so far as it is caught in between, which depends on the system in operation. Intelligence has no access to outside, because it makes a choice between options in the system. Therefor intelligence does not really exercise free choice: it can only select among the offerings the system affords. Intelligence follows the logic of the system. It is system- immanent. a given system defines given intelligence."
- Byung-Chul Han, "Psychopolitics and New Technology of Power"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - Limit defines form.

Anonymous said...

And inner logic too... and inner logic too.

For "emergent systems". ;-)

\\Therefor intelligence does not really exercise free choice:

What it even mean?

Lack of proper definition here I see. ;-)

Naturally. That Byung is not engineer. And not system-o-technic. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A free choice. Available options in a "multiple choice test" is A, B, C, D, or E. 5 options. You can't just choose F or G. Choice is not "free".

Anonymous said...

And who'd control it? And who'd control the controller? And who'd be controlling that controllers all way down? ;-)

Another word... are our Universe open... or closed?

As Turing Machine... well, even that is not guarranty, as Infinite Turring Machines still can elude it...

Another word -- IS there Actual Infinity??? Potential Infinity?

Or just Final State Machine. ;-P

Well. Humans. Are Final State Machines, by no doubts.

But society, Humanity in general... this question is not that simple.

As for bigger scales... Solar System is pretty much hermetic system. From the same standpoint of billions of years of its existance.

But never the less -- is the open system -- it depend on the Galaxy and all Universe altogether.

So... DO Universe itself are miserly (ha-ha-ha, THAT miserly) Final State Machine???

That will keep ticking for eons... just to return to THE SAME state... just to continue ticking???


I see experimental way to confirm/disprove it ONLY. ;-)

And to make that experiemnt...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Rhetorical questions?

Rhetorical answer: "I can't answer the question." ;P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...


Anonymous said...

"I have no answer to that question" and "I dunno how can answer to that question" -- that is two very different options. ;-)

Well... it all tenets of words. ONLY experiment, can give definite answer.

Well... I'm too, watched "Geniuses of Ancient World" documentary, just yesterday.

But you'd not like it, probably, cause narrator is F. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You think I'm gay>

Bettany Hughes is F. So???

Anonymous said...

My mistake, sorry.

(dunno, why gays must fear/dispise smart women... I thought they have very good relations, or that is what Hollywood used to depict)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Perhaps the trans-women debate (from sports) has soured the pot. :)