...what becomes of its' meaning? Where does its' meaning come from?
...especially when art-ifice alone (ie - AI) or mass production machinery produces art?
Art itself isn't dead... but the Artist (much like Roland Barthes and his Dead Author) certainly is. And no, the User utilizing Chat GPT, much like a production manager at the Campbell Soup Cannery is NOT an Auteur, either. More likely he's just fronting a "brand" one pays for, like "Hunter Biden". And the Artwork's underlying expressed Idea, merely "Capitalism" as a product.
"Warhol's images are banal not because they might be said to be the reflection of a banal world, but because they are the products of the absence of any interpretative pretension on the part of the subject."- Jean Baudrillard
Nowhere today does the Capitalist Discourse get more LOUDLY expressed, than in Art and on the Factory Floor!
The True Artists have all but "Disappeared"!
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 213 of 213\\What makes you think we simply won't go back to a regional ARPANet?
/Humiliating self-castration?
Well. Yeah. That would satiate that DESIRE.
But... not for too long.
Instead, it will only work like adding some more benzine into a fire. ;-P
Yeh, but at your house, not mine. Maybe you should begin some sort of fire retardant program. Like better relations with local volunteer fire departments.
\\I hear you're lowering the Draft age 2 more years. You must hate your own people.
/Again using "you".
What for??? Think it can influence me, somehow?
But... it do not work on you. So why you think OTHER people should react differently???
Well, I know, I know.
Objectivation bias (tm).
People think only about themself as entities with a soul. And therefore having some internal motives.
All other are just "talking dolls". Which behave only in accordance to where they was made, what label YOU stuck on em. (like Derpy relentlessly tried to stick "you are Trumpist" on me) ;-P
See... I grok some Psychology. Isn't it?
You have a different "preferred pronoun"? I use "you" because I'm reminding "you" that it won't be "we" for much longer. Just an "observational bias" I suppose. So if you're seeking "allies", Dervy might be a better bet. He loves Ukraine so much that if you win, he'll make sure you never produce another therm of gas for burning. It'll be all solar panels and windmills from now on. He's got a planet to save, after all.
\\We are weak. We're $30t in debt. We're exhausted.
/Whatever.
Death, Famine, War, and Conquest does not care in the slightest about any of it...
Exactly. And all of those are in Ukraine.
\\ And the worst part? This was ALL a war of choice. One that another $1t in "funny money" won't fix. Sending arms to Ukraine only saps our inventories and replaces them with electrons on a bankers hard-drive. You can't win battles with electrons on some accountant's spread sheet.
/Whatever.
I've got current enemies that are for more imminent threats than Putin.
\\Sounds like a plan, then. :)
/Though... not for all... only for ones who'd be able to survive.
Do you have a bunker?
Nah. I don't plan on living forever. If one survives, we all survive.
\\The Kantian part of treating others as ends unto themselves
/And what if that OTHERS will NOT do the same to you?
What Kant devised for that case? ;-P
That's why Sun Tzu are smart ass. And Kant -- not. ;-P
Then it's Tit-4-Tat. Or maybe double Tit-4-tat (to create opportunities for ending vicious cycles and building a virtuous one).
\\Russia isn't a small child. And neither is Europe.
/Yeah.
They are whole bunch of kindergartners. ;-P
Only ones are from a burgeous school for good children. And other bunch... are from hoodlums.
And only bunch of Boyscouts can separate em, and not allow blood to spill. :-))))))))))))))))))))
You need to find a new babysitter. Your current one is going off to college soon.
\\Are you bilingual? Of course you are. What is "cat" in Russian?
/K-oh-t.
\\And in Plato's "Cratylus", words and names spoken in the languages of gods, men, and women.
/Yawn.
Hermenevtics.
What is hermeneutics in simple terms?
The word hermeneutics means the interpretation of language, whether written or spoken. Generally, hermeneutics is an activity that interests biblical scholars, and the word is sometimes used in philosophy as well.
Hermeneutics - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com
vocabulary.com
https://www.vocabulary.com › dictionary › hermeneutics
The human brain's OS is largely hermeneutics.
\\Is that it? Or does it include a desire by both participants to "profit" (Plato, "Hipparchus" gain is good and loss is evil)
/You are blind.
Not all people. Of not all cultures. So centered on "profit".
And USAian learned that... in some nasty way.
But still... not internalized it, fully.
Profit in the ancient Greek sense (Plato/ Xenophon) has NOTHING to do with money. If you are invited to a dinner, and you get sick from food poisoning, have you "profitted" from the invitation? The war in Ukraine "profits" no one. Xenophon's Oeconomicus came LONG before Adam Smith, yet when the concept of transferrence through "intermediate forms" (like coinage) was still new. A Stradivarious(?) violin only "profits" a non-violin player through it's "transferrence" to one. Yet if he could play it himself, everyone, including himself might profit.
\\And so what I need is Ukraine out of my pocket and off my worry list. Right now you are PURE loss.
/Ukraine just a symptom... not a cause.
Yawn.
You just trying to punish a messanger for delivering bad messages.
But... it never works.
Same as try to beat waves... for making a flood.
And... sorry to say... but that is damn funny to observe... (self-defeating honesty, I presume)
So what IS the cause which we should be addressing to prevent a catastrophe? You attribute it to Russian aggression. I, to Ukrainian ambitions. Which of us it right? We'll see.
That's why "philosophers" don't just simply provide answers to the questions asked of them by politicians. Because the politicians are usually trying to treat symptoms of problems, and therefore ask wrong questions that frame the symptoms and not the causes of the problem. They're usually focused upon treating "symptoms", and not the underlying "causes" to problems that can cure it. Our job is to ask the "right" questions. Not simply follow the "guideposts" that the politicians (and their intelligence agency "alchemists") have set out for us.
\\As Einstein said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution."
/Imagination... but not dreaming.
Because "dreaming mind give borth to a monsters". ;-P
Dare to dream! It's ALL confabulation.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Sleep_of_Reason...
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters or The Dream of Reason Produces Monsters is an aquatint by the Spanish painter and printmaker Francisco Goya.
I lived in Goya's homeland for 3 1/2 years. I prefer Fuseli. He's much more "Jungian". It can be quite useful to acquaint oneself with their own "<a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)">shadow</a>". It generally cures those who are more prone to "virtue signalling".
<i>\\I think he likely gave the idea to Soros (through Karl Popper).
/But... did he got it right? ;-P</i>
Evidently not. @@
\\ As Feynman said in the lecture above about the scientific method, you can only disprove a theory (like Newton's), you can't definitively prove it.
/Yeah.
Because only practice can do that.
"Only in theory -- theory and practice is the same". ;-P
And practice -- its Tech(s).
Is that where Gladwell derived his 10,000 hour rule? ;)
\\That's what Holme's Dr. Watson was for (dumb simpleton perspective). But peasants got to be peasants.
/And I... admitted being prol. ;-P
Proudly prol. %-))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I prefer being a peasant. G_d does most of the hard work (like growing the crops). All I do is plant/ harvest them. No nasty capitalist middleman to confiscate the "surplus values of labour created through the division of labour". I simply do my part, and He does His. ;0
\\It was believed that Themis collaborated with Nemesis to inflict punishment on those who violated the natural laws
/From one God wants to punish... he takes Reason first. ;-P (it means... punishment (self-inflicting) therefore ensured)
They saying.
Spoken like a modern day Ajax!
\\The common assumption about rhetoric, Phaedrus tells Socrates, is that orators do not need to know the truth about the case they are pleading, but aim only to persuade their listeners. Logic is also internally consistent (true) and aims to persuade it's listeners, yet it also does not need to know the truth (its' just the maths).
/Yeah...
In theory.
And you saw (dunno, how much you was following it?) it in our with Derpy "brawls" -- what it made with Logic. ;-P
Strawmen?
\\yet it also does not need to know the truth (its' just the maths).
/Bu-u-u-ull Shi-i-i-it. %-)
Logic -- it's a method of coming up with conclusions... from True premices and into True results.
Without Truth -- it's utterly USELESS.
As in Garbage In, Garbage Out.
What Derpy did precisely demonstrated.
Logic is based upon a fallacy... like that there are "equal" things. Nietzsche.
\\Neither can present the "whole picture" that an understanding of "reality" might demand.
/Of course... cause, they are just a tools.
Yes. "Useful" ones. But our own imaginations are needed to connect and fill all the gaps.
\\But... that DESIRE... will not disappear without being fulfilled. Or... without showing decisively and for good -- that it CANNOT be fulfilled.
/You are Kronos and they are Zeus.
Either you'll eat em... or they will, castrate you. ;-P
That "desire" comes from already having been swallowed and the causal "drive" 'perverted'. It represents che vuoi and taken from the "dreams" and teachings of "how to dream" (ie - Hollywood movies). And that desire always "changes" once it is fullfilled, anyway. It perpetually chases the objet petit 'a in a vain attempt to demonstrate the knowledge of its' desires to the imaginary Big Other. (Zizek, "A Pervert's Guide to Cinema"). Hence the power of the 'PsyOp', and psychical products of the 2nd Foundation. ;)
""/Capricho No. 41: Ni más ni menos (Neither more nor less)
""
;-P
The Goldilocks principle. :)
Is that enough gopher holes f*cked for one day?
;P
\\That's not a bad idea. It's a shame that the UNION won the Civil war.
Yeah. Reality is a bitch.
Yawn.
\\That's okay, they'll all be out of work come next January. They f*cked with the wrong American. :)
POTUS need competent hellhounds... no matter who he are. ;-P
\\..who pays taxes.
Hah.
That propaganda mantra still works on you. ;-P
We are living in time of UBI (universal basic income) -- you miserly taxes not needed to em.
\\Tit-4-Tat. :)
10.000 for 1? %-)))
\\Molon labe.
Shield... do not help against poisoned daggers. ;-P
\\Russia wants security
BS.
And psychological projection.
One... liliPut cought USA on.
Yawn.
\\There is no "decisively and for good". There only the ability to stupidly "persist". And we've exceeded it.
Whatever. That four riders... will not be waiting for you to be ready.
\\ A "Mission Success" manager (it was for a Geological Survey vessel that mapped magnetic anomolies to terrain for submarine navigation).
/Ha ha!
Strategic importance content I see. ;-P
But, whatever.
Hope only Black Hawks will not hover over place I reside. %-))))
After this.
Don't worry. I only know how to send Sea Hawks. ;)
\\That's what I hated about Gitlab. It didn't take into account that humans are lazy and don't want to have to be programmers to interact with other humans.
/Dunno what you refer to.
Probably that is something I not encounter.
All that Cloud things successfully gone past me... even though I worked as sysop in one like-cloud startup. ;-P
You're lucky. It's what we use to develop software now. @@
\\So try getting through a Design Gate Review without the "reserves" ($ and schedule) stated in the documents. You'll either get cancelled, of have a manager from NASA HQ riding your ass until you do.
/:-)))))))))))))))))))))))
Everyone needs some "independent metrics" indicating how the "Tech" effort is developing. ;)
Ooops, wrong place?
\\That's okay, they'll all be out of work come next January. They f*cked with the wrong American. :)
/POTUS need competent hellhounds... no matter who he are. ;-P
That's what Contractors are for (not Civil Servants). Even Putin contracts out his dirty work (plausible deniability - Wagner Group).
\\..who pays taxes.
/Hah.
That propaganda mantra still works on you. ;-P
We are living in time of UBI (universal basic income) -- you miserly taxes not needed to em.
Where do you think UBI comes from?
\\Tit-4-Tat. :)
/10.000 for 1? %-)))
You tell me. Would it stop, otherwise? Proportionality is for virtue signallers.
\\Molon labe.
/Shield... do not help against poisoned daggers. ;-P
Who said I'd use a shield to defend myself?
\\Russia wants security
/BS.
And psychological projection.
One... liliPut cought USA on.
Yawn.
Fine. I'd better go throw out my Maslow 'Need' pyramids.
\\There is no "decisively and for good". There only the ability to stupidly "persist". And we've exceeded it.
/Whatever. That four riders... will not be waiting for you to be ready.
When they're done with Ukraine, let me know.
\\Yeh, but at your house, not mine.
ICBM directed to that points in your vithinity.
\\Is that enough gopher holes f*cked for one day?
"I can do it whole day"... said some Captain America dude. ;-P
\\You have a different "preferred pronoun"? I use "you" because I'm reminding "you" that it won't be "we" for much longer.
I just pointed to that... that it pointless. To anything other than rhetoric trick.
And that trick -- not working on me. So, double as pointless.
\\So if you're seeking "allies", Dervy might be a better bet.
It's better to lost something... in a company with a smart. Than found something, in a company with dumb ass.
They say. ;-)
\\He loves Ukraine so much...
Yeah...
and love to call Ukrainians nazis.
While demonstraying nazi attitudes... itself.
Yawn.
\\Exactly. And all of those are in Ukraine.
Thier minions... still. ;-P
MiniMys. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
While real and genuine Dr.Evil... dedicated to your turf... like with launching balloons over it.
With who-know-what-inside. Have you seen ANY news about THAT balloons investigation. ;-P
\\I've got current enemies that are for more imminent threats than Putin.
And... it never have come to your mind... that they could be just a proxies... of it. ;-)
\\Nah. I don't plan on living forever.
Why so?
It's boring to leave that place... on the wedge of most profound new developments. ;-)
\\You need to find a new babysitter. Your current one is going off to college soon.
:-)
Free sex parties. Pots and sniffs. And postponing debt onto Future Me, that loser? ;-P
\\The human brain's OS is largely hermeneutics.
That... as good definition, as any other.
As far as there is NO real understanding.
Like "everything made of ether". Or "everything made of fire elements" and etc. ;-P
\\ The war in Ukraine "profits" no one.
That's... you mistake.
Do burglars think about "everybody's profits"???
\\So what IS the cause which we should be addressing to prevent a catastrophe?
Do *I* have POWER... I mean Tech(s)... to prevent that catastrophe.
That is new. Something ancient greeks and romans was unaware off, I know.
They could only "prey to Gods" in such cases.
That is only 20th century made possible... with Nukes. ;-)
\\You attribute it to Russian aggression. I, to Ukrainian ambitions. Which of us it right? We'll see.
Ehm...
Try ask questions, instead of assuming.
But, well...
whatever.
\\They're usually focused upon treating "symptoms", and not the underlying "causes" to problems that can cure it.
They do not like to talk (and even think) about causes... because that tend to go close to home... too close. ;-)
\\That's what Contractors are for (not Civil Servants). Even Putin contracts out his dirty work (plausible deniability - Wagner Group).
You mean Mercenaries? ;-P
And you provided PERFECT example, yourself. Spared me need to think/seek for one.
\\Where do you think UBI comes from?
Financial mumbo-jumbo? ;-P
\\\\Tit-4-Tat. :)
/10.000 for 1? %-)))
\\You tell me. Would it stop, otherwise? Proportionality is for virtue signallers.
And... did it stop? ;-P
\\Who said I'd use a shield to defend myself?
Whatever.
Advantage ALWAYS on the side of attacker.
Yawn.
\\When they're done with Ukraine, let me know.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
\\Don't worry. I only know how to send Sea Hawks. ;)
Who said it will be from you?
Partners of Teisheira... still cursing that day they meet him. Probably.
\\You're lucky. It's what we use to develop software now. @@
Yeah. I know FullStack Developers.
Yawn.
\\Everyone needs some "independent metrics" indicating how the "Tech" effort is developing. ;)
Whatever euphemism you'd like. ;-P
\\ I simply do my part, and He does His. ;0
No more possible.
Because... Gawd is dead, you know. ;-P
\\Strawmen?
Without his conscious intention, it seems.
Just piling babbling over babbling.
Yawn.
\\Logic is based upon a fallacy... like that there are "equal" things. Nietzsche.
Whatever. ;-P
It's just a tool.
Hammers ALSO based on a fallacy -- that they are designed to hit only (k)nails. ;P
\\Yes. "Useful" ones. But our own imaginations are needed to connect and fill all the gaps.
Nothing is perfect in this mundane Universe...
maybe in some other Universe it can be better? ;-)
One we'd build ourself, to suit our expectations? ;-)
\\That "desire" comes from already having been swallowed and the causal "drive" 'perverted'. It represents che vuoi and taken from the "dreams" and teachings of "how to dream" (ie - Hollywood movies). And that desire always "changes" once it is fullfilled, anyway. It perpetually chases the objet petit 'a in a vain attempt to demonstrate the knowledge of its' desires to the imaginary Big Other. (Zizek, "A Pervert's Guide to Cinema"). Hence the power of the 'PsyOp', and psychical products of the 2nd Foundation. ;)
Whatever.
Crowds of chmobicks... they quite real.
Same as stockpiles of nukes and ICBMs.
Same as Minster Torpedos...
I posted the reply at my new 'Art' thread. :)
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