“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
―Philip Freneau
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Wednesday, January 29, 2025
A Concise Summary of Deleuze & Guattari's "Capitalism and Schizophrenia"
Overcoming post-Modernity's Cynicism vis a vis applications of Psychiatry/ Psychology to understand 'Motive/ Desire' of the other/ Other
By Lem's definition -- technology it's a unity of stated task (like "I'm hungry") AND methods and resources AWAILABLE which can be used to solve that task.
Where's magic in it? Dare to explain?
So. In ancient times our predecessor when hungry was taking rock into his not very dexterous arms, and throwed at animal.
Because there was NO other materials and methods.
And our peer today -- coming to McDonalds.
Because they aee everywhere. And working like swiss clocks
/////Again, 1/4. /So? When wine instead of mere water will start gushing from your words?
//You've lost me, but here's a fine Jewish whine... "I wanna go to Florida!"
Like you dunno that story about Jesus turning water into wine.;-p
Meaning is simple -- if only you'd be able to accomplish (or, fake it) something like that -- attention to your person and yiur words count as granted.
//Perhaps you need to switch your brain into "learning" mode and expend a little energy so as to gain another perspective. perhaps your "objective truth" is only an incomplete ergo "partial" one. Perhaps you need to stand in a certain position to grasp its' more complete anamorphosis.
THAT'S IT!!!
And for that I need to find a way to live longer. And be MORE free from everyday chores, to think about such things.
//I've completely lost the context of your first remark, but I'll try and muddle through with a response... \Because you under influence of WRONG philosophy (ideology?) -- that there is separate "natural" and "unnatural" causes. Even though I pointed to it very early in our conversation -- with citing Lem's work. That, where artifical humans was placed into specially built for em virtual reality... which they necessarily took as granted.
I'm not a robot. I assign my own tasks. Some are natural and necessary. MOST (we have learned) are artifical and spurious and intermixed with natural and necessary ones. Why does a baby "suck" (oral phase)? Why does he grasp at things and put them all into his mouth? Why does he stop putting "everything" into his mouth as he ages (having learned that they're inedible, possibly harmful)?
//Evolution it's Anything Goes. Not DWIM (Do What I Mean) machine. //Societies don't "evolve"? That is your judgment as intellectual agent that are part of that society. And of course -- under influence of WRONG phylosophy you feel it better if it "evolves".
I'm no progressive. It evolves in cycles (because of the human desire to "improve" upon the conditions within each 'current' cycle). These changes lead to further changes which eventually collapse of their own weight, restarting the cycle (Jame Joyce, "Finnegans Wake").
Vectors of Movement within these societal/ civilizational "cycles" can be "ORGANized" or "SCHIZoid". Like Neurons, a myelination of planned "lines of flight" improve the speed and efficiency within an organizational process. But it eventually reaches it's "canalized" limit and can no longer cope with added minor changes. It cannot be "improved upon" without abandonment of the neuronal nets and/ repurposing them. And so the "Father" model becomes a SUPEREgo right-hemisphere formation, and another non-father figure is selected for Left hemisphere EGO-Ideal comparison purposes. But all of this is merely a continuation of the "Sentiment Neuron" building process around "The abnihilisation of the etym". It can be Oedipal (ORGANized) or SCHIZoid.
At the societal level, one need only observe the sacred geopmetry duplicated in the Athenian Acropolis, or at Karnak.
Each one represents a "cycle" in human social evolution that reached its' limit. Late Capital is rapidly approaching another one. We can choose to proceed down the now visible path of "artificial and luxurious technofeudalism", or we can abandon the luxury associated technofeudal model, and/ or evolve it into a more "natural and "necessary" 3rd wave prosumer version and associated marketplace. ;P
\While Evolution by itself -- do not care about anybody to evolve. Because Evolution -- NOT an intellectual agent. But process. Have NO POV. And CANNOT produce judjments.;-p
The technofeudal model and the 3rd wave model BOTH have their vested interests. Evolution doesn't care, but one will prove to "better fit" its' proponents in the evolutionary struggle for "persistence" (in the current cycle).
///Technology, are. ;-p //The "magic" bullet.... It's everything that is NOT technology. By Lem's definition -- technology it's a unity of stated task (like "I'm hungry") AND methods and resources AWAILABLE which can be used to solve that task. Where's magic in it? Dare to explain?</i
Competition for access to resources. The "better idea" will win and be adopted.
/So. In ancient times our predecessor when hungry was taking rock into his not very dexterous arms, and throwed at animal. Because there was NO other materials and methods.
Sure there were. Thats how we got bows and arrows.
\And our peer today -- coming to McDonalds. Because they aee everywhere. And working like swiss clocks
So the bow and arrow were better, and early adopters now own the McDonald's franchises.
//Take Jesus as in xample -- if he would do preaching as he did, BUT without miracles and then spectacular death -- would anybody remember him? /.Does he advertise? PT Barnum. \What can be MORE self-advertising... then extravagant and unbelievable story??? Built on the base of most simple desires? Like. You have "I'm hungry". And Abra-Cadabra, Focus-Pocus -- story about Willy Wonka.;-p
Sounds like an Angel Investor pitch at OpenAI....
/////Again, 1/4. /So?
1/4 what?
\When wine instead of mere water will start gushing from your words? //You've lost me, but here's a fine Jewish whine... "I wanna go to Florida!" \Like you dunno that story about Jesus turning water into wine.;-p Meaning is simple -- if only you'd be able to accomplish (or, fake it) something like that -- attention to your person and yiur words count as granted.
So write your 3 minute elevator pitch and go talk to Elon.
//Much like our elites of today are no longer an "avant garde". They've devolved into a fringe-populist bureaucratic kitsch \That's just you who " evolved" to see it. ;-)
//Perhaps you need to switch your brain into "learning" mode and expend a little energy so as to gain another perspective. perhaps your "objective truth" is only an incomplete ergo "partial" one. Perhaps you need to stand in a certain position to grasp its' more complete anamorphosis. \THAT'S IT!!! And for that I need to find a way to live longer. And be MORE free from everyday chores, to think about such things. See? Technology! The Task AND Methods and resources AVAILABLE.
So all "TASKS" are "NATURALLY" necessary and not "artificial"? Please. And every "TASK" has methods and resources available necessary to achieve it? @@
Shakespeare, "Hamlet":
"How all occasions do inform against me And spur my dull revenge. What is a man If his chief good and market of his time Be but to sleep and feed? A beast, no more. Sure He that made us with such large discourse, Looking before and after, gave us not That capability and godlike reason To fust in us unused. Now whether it be Bestial oblivion or some craven scruple Of thinking too precisely on th’ event (A thought which, quartered, hath but one part wisdom And ever three parts coward), I do not know Why yet I live to say “This thing’s to do,” Sith I have cause, and will, and strength, and means To do ’t. Examples gross as Earth exhort me: Witness this army of such mass and charge, Led by a delicate and tender prince, Whose spirit with divine ambition puffed Makes mouths at the invisible event, Exposing what is mortal and unsure To all that fortune, death, and danger dare, Even for an eggshell. Rightly to be great Is not to stir without great argument, But greatly to find quarrel in a straw..."
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//I've completely lost the context of your first remark, but I'll try and muddle through with a response...
Because you under influence of WRONG philosophy (ideology?) -- that there is separate "natural" and "unnatural" causes.
Even though I pointed to it very early in our conversation -- with citing Lem's work.
That, where artifical humans was placed into specially built for em virtual reality... which they necessarily took as granted.
//Evolution it's Anything Goes.
Not DWIM (Do What I Mean) machine.
//Societies don't "evolve"?
That is your judgment as intellectual agent that are part of that society.
And of course -- under influence of WRONG phylosophy you feel it better if it "evolves".
While
While Evolution by itself -- do not care about anybody to evolve.
Because Evolution -- NOT an intellectual agent. But process.
Have NO POV. And CANNOT produce judjments.;-p
///Technology, are. ;-p
//The "magic" bullet....
It's everything that is NOT technology.
By Lem's definition -- technology it's a unity of stated task (like "I'm hungry") AND methods and resources AWAILABLE which can be used to solve that task.
Where's magic in it? Dare to explain?
So. In ancient times our predecessor when hungry was taking rock into his not very dexterous arms, and throwed at animal.
Because there was NO other materials and methods.
And our peer today -- coming to McDonalds.
Because they aee everywhere. And working like swiss clocks
//
//Take Jesus as in xample -- if he would do preaching as he did, BUT without miracles and then spectacular death -- would anybody remember him?
/.Does he advertise? PT Barnum.
What can be MORE self-advertising... then extravagant and unbelievable story??? Built on the base of most simple desires?
Like. You have "I'm hungry". And Abra-Cadabra, Focus-Pocus -- story about Willy Wonka.;-p
/////Again, 1/4.
/So?
When wine instead of mere water will start gushing from your words?
//You've lost me, but here's a fine Jewish whine... "I wanna go to Florida!"
Like you dunno that story about Jesus turning water into wine.;-p
Meaning is simple -- if only you'd be able to accomplish (or, fake it) something like that -- attention to your person and yiur words count as granted.
//Much like our elites of today are no longer an "avant garde". They've devolved into a fringe-populist bureaucratic kitsch
That's just you who " evolved" to see it.
;-)
//Perhaps you need to switch your brain into "learning" mode and expend a little energy so as to gain another perspective. perhaps your "objective truth" is only an incomplete ergo "partial" one. Perhaps you need to stand in a certain position to grasp its' more complete anamorphosis.
THAT'S IT!!!
And for that I need to find a way to live longer. And be MORE free from everyday chores, to think about such things.
See?
Technology!
The Task
AND
Methods and resources AVAILABLE.
//I've completely lost the context of your first remark, but I'll try and muddle through with a response...
\Because you under influence of WRONG philosophy (ideology?) -- that there is separate "natural" and "unnatural" causes.
Even though I pointed to it very early in our conversation -- with citing Lem's work.
That, where artifical humans was placed into specially built for em virtual reality... which they necessarily took as granted.
I'm not a robot. I assign my own tasks. Some are natural and necessary. MOST (we have learned) are artifical and spurious and intermixed with natural and necessary ones. Why does a baby "suck" (oral phase)? Why does he grasp at things and put them all into his mouth? Why does he stop putting "everything" into his mouth as he ages (having learned that they're inedible, possibly harmful)?
//Evolution it's Anything Goes.
Not DWIM (Do What I Mean) machine.
//Societies don't "evolve"?
That is your judgment as intellectual agent that are part of that society.
And of course -- under influence of WRONG phylosophy you feel it better if it "evolves".
I'm no progressive. It evolves in cycles (because of the human desire to "improve" upon the conditions within each 'current' cycle). These changes lead to further changes which eventually collapse of their own weight, restarting the cycle (Jame Joyce, "Finnegans Wake").
Vectors of Movement within these societal/ civilizational "cycles" can be "ORGANized" or "SCHIZoid". Like Neurons, a myelination of planned "lines of flight" improve the speed and efficiency within an organizational process. But it eventually reaches it's "canalized" limit and can no longer cope with added minor changes. It cannot be "improved upon" without abandonment of the neuronal nets and/ repurposing them. And so the "Father" model becomes a SUPEREgo right-hemisphere formation, and another non-father figure is selected for Left hemisphere EGO-Ideal comparison purposes. But all of this is merely a continuation of the "Sentiment Neuron" building process around "The abnihilisation of the etym". It can be Oedipal (ORGANized) or SCHIZoid.
At the societal level, one need only observe the sacred geopmetry duplicated in the Athenian Acropolis, or at Karnak.
Each one represents a "cycle" in human social evolution that reached its' limit. Late Capital is rapidly approaching another one. We can choose to proceed down the now visible path of "artificial and luxurious technofeudalism", or we can abandon the luxury associated technofeudal model, and/ or evolve it into a more "natural and "necessary" 3rd wave prosumer version and associated marketplace. ;P
\While Evolution by itself -- do not care about anybody to evolve.
Because Evolution -- NOT an intellectual agent. But process.
Have NO POV. And CANNOT produce judjments.;-p
The technofeudal model and the 3rd wave model BOTH have their vested interests. Evolution doesn't care, but one will prove to "better fit" its' proponents in the evolutionary struggle for "persistence" (in the current cycle).
///Technology, are. ;-p
//The "magic" bullet....
It's everything that is NOT technology.
By Lem's definition -- technology it's a unity of stated task (like "I'm hungry") AND methods and resources AWAILABLE which can be used to solve that task.
Where's magic in it? Dare to explain?</i
Competition for access to resources. The "better idea" will win and be adopted.
/So. In ancient times our predecessor when hungry was taking rock into his not very dexterous arms, and throwed at animal.
Because there was NO other materials and methods.
Sure there were. Thats how we got bows and arrows.
\And our peer today -- coming to McDonalds.
Because they aee everywhere. And working like swiss clocks
So the bow and arrow were better, and early adopters now own the McDonald's franchises.
//Take Jesus as in xample -- if he would do preaching as he did, BUT without miracles and then spectacular death -- would anybody remember him?
/.Does he advertise? PT Barnum.
\What can be MORE self-advertising... then extravagant and unbelievable story??? Built on the base of most simple desires?
Like. You have "I'm hungry". And Abra-Cadabra, Focus-Pocus -- story about Willy Wonka.;-p
Sounds like an Angel Investor pitch at OpenAI....
/////Again, 1/4.
/So?
1/4 what?
\When wine instead of mere water will start gushing from your words?
//You've lost me, but here's a fine Jewish whine... "I wanna go to Florida!"
\Like you dunno that story about Jesus turning water into wine.;-p
Meaning is simple -- if only you'd be able to accomplish (or, fake it) something like that -- attention to your person and yiur words count as granted.
So write your 3 minute elevator pitch and go talk to Elon.
//Much like our elites of today are no longer an "avant garde". They've devolved into a fringe-populist bureaucratic kitsch
\That's just you who " evolved" to see it.
;-)
Nope. Not just me.
//Perhaps you need to switch your brain into "learning" mode and expend a little energy so as to gain another perspective. perhaps your "objective truth" is only an incomplete ergo "partial" one. Perhaps you need to stand in a certain position to grasp its' more complete anamorphosis.
\THAT'S IT!!!
And for that I need to find a way to live longer. And be MORE free from everyday chores, to think about such things.
See?
Technology!
The Task
AND
Methods and resources AVAILABLE.
So all "TASKS" are "NATURALLY" necessary and not "artificial"? Please. And every "TASK" has methods and resources available necessary to achieve it? @@
Shakespeare, "Hamlet":
"How all occasions do inform against me And spur my dull revenge. What is a man If his chief good and market of his time Be but to sleep and feed? A beast, no more. Sure He that made us with such large discourse, Looking before and after, gave us not That capability and godlike reason To fust in us unused. Now whether it be Bestial oblivion or some craven scruple Of thinking too precisely on th’ event (A thought which, quartered, hath but one part wisdom And ever three parts coward), I do not know Why yet I live to say “This thing’s to do,” Sith I have cause, and will, and strength, and means To do ’t. Examples gross as Earth exhort me: Witness this army of such mass and charge, Led by a delicate and tender prince, Whose spirit with divine ambition puffed Makes mouths at the invisible event, Exposing what is mortal and unsure To all that fortune, death, and danger dare, Even for an eggshell. Rightly to be great Is not to stir without great argument, But greatly to find quarrel in a straw..."
Our current social cycle is already a framed frame. The trick is to draw something novel within it. or write a good 3 minute elevator pitch.
Perhaps society is merely the frame within a frame of evolution.
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