“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
―Philip Freneau
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Thursday, August 20, 2026
Philosophy Isn't Answering Questions, It's Asking the Right Questions
Try actually reading Marx's writing. Study them.Then perhaps you'll become a lot more educated. Rather than just regurgitating reichwing fascist garbage that you've been indoctrinated in since you can remember. Marx was not Stalin or Mao. He actually despised totalitarianism and dictatorships. His dream was a more egalitarian society.
But reichwing idiots never let facts stand in the way if their agenda and misinformation.
You can't start to understand Nietzsche with Zarathustra. Zarathustra is more of a "final exam". I read Nietzsche, as I do most modern thinkers, chronologically. His early essays lay foundations that get more deeply explored. Birth of Tragedy, His essays on ancient Greeks, On truth in an extramoral sense, etc. Then Genealogy of Morals, Gay Science, etc.
Nietzsche didn't want "zeros", he wanted independent thinkers. Peers, not followers.
And so it wasn't about becoming 'smarter' as it was in breaking out of the moral straightjacket that most thinkers wear daily and limit their ability to think "out of the box" (of current values). That's why I value- multi-temporalism as well as multi-culturalism.
But Nietzsche's biggest bugaboo lay in countering the "Pauline Intervention" and going back to a "Master Morality" of the Greeks. St Paul turned us all "linguistically" into slaves. That's why he wrote books like "Why I am so Great" in Ecce Homo...
In Ecce Homo, Friedrich Nietzsche uses provocative chapter titles like "Why I Am So Wise," "Why I Am So Clever," and "Why I Write Such Good Books" not out of simple ego, but to declare his life and work as a fatalistic masterpiece, reclaim his identity from misrepresentation, and signal the ultimate transvaluation of values.
He's demonstrating his rejection of the Pauline posiiton.
It's why Sloterdijk wrote his "Critique of Cynical Reason". The Pauline Intervention has lead to our post-modern cycnicism. He thinks we should get back to the Greek's (Diogenes) old fashion "kynicism" and cut out all the moral posturing associated with the "I'm a nobody" identity position.
Although he did, with his straying into the utopian weeds, give the capitalist elite what they needed to fight his vision. And the predatory elite capitalist ultimately won. After the 1919 to 1921 post WW I period during which the working class in Britain and Italy specifically attempted to tame the capitalist beast and give the working class more control over production and their lives.
Today the capitalist beast is consuming any hope of achieving the American dream, let alone economic equality.
Unions are a means of pushing back. But I don't believe in Teddy Roosevelts "Good vs Bad" Trusts argument. IMHO, they're ALL bad. Especially "government" trusts. I watched a video on Robert Filmer earlier today. He's making the Yarvin-Silicon Valley Billionaire arguments that Thiel loves so much. He's not wrong either. The point isn't to try and monopolize power. It's to prevent its' monopolization through the establishment of smaller trusts that counter-balance one another... like union vs corporation... but on a much smaller scale. Not "union vs entire industry that monopolizes a labour type (ie UAW).
Contracts are an "evolutionary" step in social relations after "patriarchy". Much as Freud's "alliance of brothers" who killed their patriarchical father and established the "totem" for subsequent social relations in "Totem and Taboo" (birth of law).
What I know, having been employed most of my adult working life in sone supervisory or managemet capacity, is that the majority of the executives, the ones making the real big bucks really did not care aboiut the working class folks that made their salaries possible, It would be fun discissing over a fine single malt scotch.
I fully support strong unions that speak for, and fight for greater economic equality and freedom in the workplace. An environbment in which the employees responsible for creating surplus value have a say as well as a meaningful stake in how prodction {work processes} is managed and monitored.
I also believe profit sharing must become the norm rather than the exception, if capitalism is to survive long term. Citizen United as well as the anti worker mentality that exists in Boardrooms across America ghad better change., if they don't another proletariat revolution will occur right here in the bad ole USA.
BTW, speaking truth does not equate to resentment. At 74 I can safely say my life gas been one I cannot complain about. However, my children, and especially my grandchildren, will not have the opportunitiues and possibilities the baby boom generation enjoyed. And the hope of achieving the "Americ an Dream" of home ownership? Steadily slipping away and eventually will bve out of reach for most. Unless many things change. And change soon.
Or... meta-thinking. (when that abstractions involves thinking about thinking itself... and the very word "abstraction" -- is from the very first tier of it)
//After the 1919 to 1921 post WW I period during which the working class in Britain and Italy specifically attempted to tame the capitalist beast and give the working class more control over production and their lives.
In USSR Workers and peasants did have ALL CONTROL. "Capitalist beasts" was destroyed completely. Czar dethroned and killed. Nobility dispersed.
And what it all ended up with? They started building capitalism from scratch.
Becausw worrkers and peasants grossely *incapable*... of self-governing.
Yawn.
But you continue-contunue spouting Putin and Xi propaganda here -- that two just delighted -- seeing how USA spiraling into same satanic pit -- their respective countries barely crawled out from.
//Contracts are an "evolutionary" step in social relations after "patriarchy". Much as Freud's "alliance of brothers" who killed their patriarchical father and established the "totem" for subsequent social relations in "Totem and Taboo" (birth of law).
Your whole problem -- you do not take tech(s) into account.
//What I know, having been employed most of my adult working life in sone supervisory or managemet capacity, is that the majority of the executives, the ones making the real big bucks really did not care aboiut the working class folks that made their salaries possible, It would be fun discissing over a fine single malt scotch.
And DO workers think about their manager(s)? Think about how be loyal to em? Help em doing their uneasy job?
Yawn.
Naaaaah. That workers is just lazy booms, that think just about how to slack off, to do less, but demanding their paychecks -- fulky and in-time.
//I fully support strong unions that speak for, and fight for greater economic equality and freedom in the workplace
"fighting for equality")))) what a bullshit
they fighting to ENLARGE own benefits and let fellow workers from other unions, from other industries lose jobs and die from starvation, like they care.
Corporations have no Loyalty/b> to the workers who actually create the surplus value that the Corporations then take for themselves , giving a small token back the the working stiff.
No workers, no profit for Corporation.
American workers need to engage in a planned and sustained general strike to break the backs of greedy capitalists and greedy Corporations across America.
That is what's needed. But, the capitalist system of extraction and exploitation has made folks so dependent on their wage labor just to barely survive it makes a general strike (or work stoppage if you will) impossible.
Now, you have a wealthy man's day, ya hear anonymous...
//Corporations have no Loyalty/b> to the workers who actually create the surplus value that the Corporations then take for themselves , giving a small token back the the working stiff.
We... already have tryed to discuss it.
And you runned away from it.
O.K. It do not bither ne to reoeat my argument.
So? WHAT AMOUNT of money you see "fair" to redistribute?
I showed clearly -- if "nasty-nasty-wrong" capitalist would decide to give ALL income as salary -- he'd be forced to fire all workers simultaneously. As he'd be not able to pay for continuing priduction process.
By your own definition -- they create "surplus" ONLY..
Which... neither you nor even Marx himself bothered himself to explain -- how it relates with profit.
Profit -- that is money after Product was sold.
If it *NOT* sold.
Or sold for a less PRICE.
There'd be *NO*MONEY* to pay additional. Or even regular. Salary. (and capitalist himself will be pressed hard to pay all bills and debts... capitalist ONLY, NOT his hired workers... and his, capitalist's, family will be impoverished... NOT worker's)
//American workers need to engage in a planned and sustained general strike to break the backs of greedy capitalists and greedy Corporations across America.
Yap. liliPut and liliXi would like it. Dearly. Especially on weapon making pkants.
//That is what's needed. But, the capitalist system of extraction and exploitation has made folks so dependent on their wage labor just to barely survive it makes a general strike (or work stoppage if you will) impossible.
"Barely survive"?
With 10$ per hour minimal wage? And Big Mac meal around 6-8$???
In compare with countries with 1-2$ PER MONTH wages And that is whoke family need to survive on that.
I know your reified beliefs, grounded in your conditioning, is what you must cling to. It's what keeps you comfy at night. And that's alright. Because karma will do its work when it ripens.
In the meantime, well, you have a warm and fuzzy clinging, ya hear...
Because it would be hellish ars pain to him -- from need to admit how *untrue*, based on pure satanic shit-talks all his commie babbling is.
But.
No prob, I will entertain myself with unwinding my argument further.
First. And that is directly coming from Marx -- capitalist have NO*OTHER money (money that he owns, not borrowed... and need to return, eventually) except income he have AFTER selling goods produced.
So. He CANNOT give all that money as salary.
He need to pay bills and buy renewal of tools and raw material.
That makes Income MINUS Due Expenses.
But, can he pay reminder as salary? Redistribute all PROFIT for the sake of workers?
Well... first, he need to HAVE that profit. To redistribute.
As there is NO garranty, what so ever. Even for a state monopoly, that can set whatever price it wants. And force people to pay. There still "force major" events, that can ruin prospects of profit.
Capitalist. First and foremost -- CANNOT redistribute any PROFIT freely. At his whim.
Even if he's lucky -- his goods sell well and there no force majors events (earthquakes, tornado. ship/train/car crashes, criminals actions).
He need to account that such a risks possible -- and stash some amount of money to mitigate such risks.
Because... would workers be SO*LOYAL, and return some part of money, to solve some problems and easy their employer risks... IF, he'd be so kind to share ALL*PROFIT with em? Would they be so kind? %^p Would they be such a good and faithful *PARTNERS* of capitalist?
Income MINUS Due Expenses MINUS some decidable size of PROFIT stashed as reserves.
But.
That amounts only BARE MINUMUM of what capitalust may dare to "redistribute".
Because I still not mentioned OTHER kinds of *EXPENSES*
EXPENSES... NOT PROFITS!!!
Because... there's NO*MORE*PROFITS. Only expenese.
Like inevitable: taxes, debt interests (and body of debt repayment), return of investments, and etc, and etc, and etc.
And *NO* such expenses mere worker would agree to share with capitalist. To take part in taking risks.
That dirty minkey ony want "taking part in profits".
Well, the same as EVERYBODY ELSE around capitalist: government, competitors and business partners, general publuc, overseas counterparts... name to em LEGION!
And all of em want to be and often need to be -- served from that sweet-sweet PROFIT.
Gross Income (because money for goods sold need to be processed, delivered, transfered to bank account(s) or deposited as cash -- which means aditional *expenses* even here)
MINUS
Some Stone Cold Due Diligence *EXPENSES* (taxes, bills, tools and raws buying/delivery/storage, counterparts demands... )
MINUS
Somewhat Less Stone Cold Expenses (paying lawyers, advertising, all kinds of fees and etc... well, regular salary -- <<"unfair" one>> -- goes into this category too... Return of Investments)
MINUS
stashed for future use and mitigation of possible risks... if still something remains off that cutted down countlessly "sweet-sweet profit"...
MINUS
Somewhere HERE... can be that money, that could be "reassigned".
But.
Here comes MOST IMPORTANT money in all that schema of things -- money that can be REINVESTED back into: improving workung konditions, buying better equipment, hiring more workers. R&D of new goods...
And exactly this money... induced by Marx's insanity commies... want to *DESTROY*.
With their phony "redistribution" demands (and that is exactly what ruined Soviet Union -- where that dirty monkeys have had actual say... in political economy goal(s))
I used to receive profit sharing checks all the time. :)
And as a NASA contractor, we also got a piece of Contract "Award fees" based on contract performance. It was typically split 25% workers - 75% company. I preferred receiving straight up bonus checks for my own personal (not group) performance though.
If you left the company (Boeing) you forfeited the out-year profit sharing checks. It "kept you loyal". Boeing only ran our contract for 5 years though. What a shame...
Boeing does not use a direct "profit-sharing" formula for most employees; instead, it utilizes performance- and incentive-based bonus programs—such as the Employee Incentive Plan (EIP) and Performance Based Incentive (PBI)—where payouts are determined by a mix of company-wide financial metrics, safety/quality goals, and individual performance ratings.
Incentive Bonus Calculation Structure
Eligible Earnings: Your total base earnings or salary received during the performance year.
Target Bonus Percentage: A baseline percentage determined by your labor agreement or job structure (historically around 5% to 7% for standard performance ratings).
Company Performance Score: A consolidated "One Boeing" score that weighs financial performance (roughly 80%) alongside safety, quality metrics, and program execution (roughly 20%).
Individual Performance Multiplier: A factor based on your annual personal performance and review rating.
General Formula \(\text{Bonus\ Payout}=\text{Eligible\ Earnings}\times \text{Target\ Bonus\ }(\%)\times \text{Company\ Score\ }(\%)\times \text{Individual\ Rating}\)
The point is, everything Les whines about already exists. It isn't "mandated". Companies that want the best workers, pay. Want to get paid? Become a "best worker".
lol!! That what went wrong in the 70's onward. All the additional profits from productivity improvements tech/computers/ etc. went to stockholders, not workers.
No, capitalist, (and theIr corporations) living off the wealth created for them by their wage slaves, should be taxed at a considerably higher rate and the taxes should be used for infrastructure used by the capitalist/corporation . Additionally they should be used for social services that benefit the many, not just the few.
Taxes going to the war making machinery should be greatly reduced and lobbyists outlawed entirely. Foreign aid to genocidal state's like Zionist Isreal should be completely shut off and no military support or intellegence given for their constant wars with Arabs. Anywhere on the planet.
The. American. Empire is failing and staying with the status quo is the certain path to eventual collapse. Or, total defeat.
No one needs billions or trillions to survive. No one. Nor should large profitable corporations have an effectively lower tax bracket than a woman or man making 60 or 80 thousand dollars a year.
The risk argument is somewhat valid. But for the person trying to live on $15.00/hr when the CEO is making millions through salary, bonuses, and other perks it falls on deaf ears. As it should.
Love that .0001% interest financial institutions have on savings accounts while charging 12% to 21% on credit cards. What a fucking great deal!
Ignorance reins supreme among the capitalist elite. And the poor working class schmuck has no choice but to accept and work to support the ignorance of the selfish and greedy.
//Les CarpenterAugust 22, 2026 at 2:57 PM No, capitalist, (and theIr corporations) living off the wealth created for them by their wage slaves, should be taxed at a considerably higher rate and the taxes should be used for infrastructure used by the capitalist/corporation . Additionally they should be used for social services that benefit the many, not just the few.
What is "taxes" if *NOT* MONEY RECIEVED WITHOUT WORKING???
Or maybe corporati(ns should do what Ams previously did? Declare "no taxation without representation", uhm? ;-p
85 comments:
Like: "What happened with USS Benfold"? ;-p
Yet one non-answer ;-p
They really need to invest in better tranzorbs.
That's the exploit all right.
A money (vs electrical) cascade.
Ones not bought from China? Because cheap. And "China not our enemy anymore". ;-p
Or... maybe, just maybe... start to devise new techs? ;-)
We didn't stop sourcing Chinese electronics until the 2015s... or so.
About phylosophy.
You used refs to Zaratustra quite a few times.
I admitted that tryed to read it... but was able to parse only till scene of dead rope walker burial...
and found not much in it, for my taste.
But. Usn'r what Zaratustra was babbling becoming "ubermench" is the same what my "became smarter"? ;-)
Or... that is pure magic and misticism? ;-p
Like "go follow some guru... and he will open your third eye"? ;-p
Or that is... as losy as Marxism preach*ngs -- about Bright and Shiny Future...
but, without any sentient idea -- how to gone there???
Day of freebies today, it seems.
Look at "The Dome Paradox" ;-)
Well, there is calculus. But explanation is pretty simple. Just as you like it. Or not?
Try actually reading Marx's writing. Study them.Then perhaps you'll become a lot more educated. Rather than just regurgitating reichwing fascist garbage that you've been indoctrinated in since you can remember. Marx was not Stalin or Mao. He actually despised totalitarianism and dictatorships. His dream was a more egalitarian society.
But reichwing idiots never let facts stand in the way if their agenda and misinformation.
You can't start to understand Nietzsche with Zarathustra. Zarathustra is more of a "final exam". I read Nietzsche, as I do most modern thinkers, chronologically. His early essays lay foundations that get more deeply explored. Birth of Tragedy, His essays on ancient Greeks, On truth in an extramoral sense, etc. Then Genealogy of Morals, Gay Science, etc.
Nietzsche didn't want "zeros", he wanted independent thinkers. Peers, not followers.
And so it wasn't about becoming 'smarter' as it was in breaking out of the moral straightjacket that most thinkers wear daily and limit their ability to think "out of the box" (of current values). That's why I value- multi-temporalism as well as multi-culturalism.
But Nietzsche's biggest bugaboo lay in countering the "Pauline Intervention" and going back to a "Master Morality" of the Greeks. St Paul turned us all "linguistically" into slaves. That's why he wrote books like "Why I am so Great" in Ecce Homo...
In Ecce Homo, Friedrich Nietzsche uses provocative chapter titles like "Why I Am So Wise," "Why I Am So Clever," and "Why I Write Such Good Books" not out of simple ego, but to declare his life and work as a fatalistic masterpiece, reclaim his identity from misrepresentation, and signal the ultimate transvaluation of values.
He's demonstrating his rejection of the Pauline posiiton.
Another Achilles and Tortoise paradox...
It's "becoming smarter" in the way of diminishing the social constraints limiting a solution set to a problem.
Marx, as Nietzsche pointed out, was a moralist. The premier example of ressentiment...
And I have read Marx and Mao. Not all of it, but a lot of it.
His critique of capitalism is extremely valuable. His prescriptions for ending it are moral rubbish.
It's why Sloterdijk wrote his "Critique of Cynical Reason". The Pauline Intervention has lead to our post-modern cycnicism. He thinks we should get back to the Greek's (Diogenes) old fashion "kynicism" and cut out all the moral posturing associated with the "I'm a nobody" identity position.
Is it?
Wrong.
Although he did, with his straying into the utopian weeds, give the capitalist elite what they needed to fight his vision. And the predatory elite capitalist ultimately won. After the 1919 to 1921 post WW I period during which the working class in Britain and Italy specifically attempted to tame the capitalist beast and give the working class more control over production and their lives.
Today the capitalist beast is consuming any hope of achieving the American dream, let alone economic equality.
Theory v. Praxis... divide infinitely... frictionless dome...
Capitalist beast? Biased much? Ressentiment much?
Unions are a means of pushing back. But I don't believe in Teddy Roosevelts "Good vs Bad" Trusts argument. IMHO, they're ALL bad. Especially "government" trusts. I watched a video on Robert Filmer earlier today. He's making the Yarvin-Silicon Valley Billionaire arguments that Thiel loves so much. He's not wrong either. The point isn't to try and monopolize power. It's to prevent its' monopolization through the establishment of smaller trusts that counter-balance one another... like union vs corporation... but on a much smaller scale. Not "union vs entire industry that monopolizes a labour type (ie UAW).
Contracts are an "evolutionary" step in social relations after "patriarchy". Much as Freud's "alliance of brothers" who killed their patriarchical father and established the "totem" for subsequent social relations in "Totem and Taboo" (birth of law).
What I know, having been employed most of my adult working life in sone supervisory or managemet capacity, is that the majority of the executives, the ones making the real big bucks really did not care aboiut the working class folks that made their salaries possible, It would be fun discissing over a fine single malt scotch.
I fully support strong unions that speak for, and fight for greater economic equality and freedom in the workplace. An environbment in which the employees responsible for creating surplus value have a say as well as a meaningful stake in how prodction {work processes} is managed and monitored.
I also believe profit sharing must become the norm rather than the exception, if capitalism is to survive long term. Citizen United as well as the anti worker mentality that exists in Boardrooms across America ghad better change., if they don't another proletariat revolution will occur right here in the bad ole USA.
BTW, speaking truth does not equate to resentment. At 74 I can safely say my life gas been one I cannot complain about. However, my children, and especially my grandchildren, will not have the opportunitiues and possibilities the baby boom generation enjoyed. And the hope of achieving the "Americ an Dream" of home ownership? Steadily slipping away and eventually will bve out of reach for most. Unless many things change. And change soon.
My youngest son is a shop steward for the CWA. But his union is much different from the ones I grew up with MEBA and SIU.
When NASA launching spaceships -- they accounted in formulas as "material dots", isn't it? ;-p
That is called "level of abstraction".
Or... meta-thinking. (when that abstractions involves thinking about thinking itself... and the very word "abstraction" -- is from the very first tier of it)
//After the 1919 to 1921 post WW I period during which the working class in Britain and Italy specifically attempted to tame the capitalist beast and give the working class more control over production and their lives.
In USSR
Workers and peasants did have ALL CONTROL.
"Capitalist beasts" was destroyed completely. Czar dethroned and killed. Nobility dispersed.
And what it all ended up with? They started building capitalism from scratch.
Becausw worrkers and peasants grossely *incapable*... of self-governing.
Yawn.
But you continue-contunue spouting Putin and Xi propaganda here -- that two just delighted -- seeing how USA spiraling into same satanic pit -- their respective countries barely crawled out from.
Yawn.
//Contracts are an "evolutionary" step in social relations after "patriarchy". Much as Freud's "alliance of brothers" who killed their patriarchical father and established the "totem" for subsequent social relations in "Totem and Taboo" (birth of law).
Your whole problem -- you do not take tech(s) into account.
Yawn.
//What I know, having been employed most of my adult working life in sone supervisory or managemet capacity, is that the majority of the executives, the ones making the real big bucks really did not care aboiut the working class folks that made their salaries possible, It would be fun discissing over a fine single malt scotch.
And DO workers think about their manager(s)?
Think about how be loyal to em?
Help em doing their uneasy job?
Yawn.
Naaaaah.
That workers is just lazy booms, that think just about how to slack off, to do less, but demanding their paychecks -- fulky and in-time.
Yawn.
//I fully support strong unions that speak for, and fight for greater economic equality and freedom in the workplace
"fighting for equality"))))
what a bullshit
they fighting to ENLARGE own benefits
and let fellow workers from other unions, from other industries lose jobs and die from starvation, like they care.
//I also believe profit sharing must become the norm rather than the exception
No prob at all.
Let workers recieve paychecks ON SAME accords as investors:
there IS profit -- here is your paycheck
no profit? no paychecks.
//Unless many things change. And change soon
Yeah.
ww3 will change many things
and soon enough
Yawn
yesterday was blocked by censure
so, some other comments are in known to you place
Loyalty is a two street.
Corporations have no Loyalty/b> to the workers who actually create the surplus value that the Corporations then take for themselves , giving a small token back the the working stiff.
No workers, no profit for Corporation.
American workers need to engage in a planned and sustained general strike to break the backs of greedy capitalists and greedy Corporations across America.
That is what's needed. But, the capitalist system of extraction and exploitation has made folks so dependent on their wage labor just to barely survive it makes a general strike (or work stoppage if you will) impossible.
Now, you have a wealthy man's day, ya hear anonymous...
//Loyalty is a two street.
Yeah. And workers part absolutely lacking.
And I know it from first hand. As descendant of wirkers and peasants (well, natural thing for post-soviet... by historical reasons)
And never was anything else but hired worker.
The very concept of hired workforce -- that is trade off between profits and risks.
Workers do agree for a secured fixed payment -- salary.
Because they usually have no savings and need to pay bills here and now.
But same time, that makes em disinterested in results of their work.
Yawn.
//Corporations have no Loyalty/b> to the workers who actually create the surplus value that the Corporations then take for themselves , giving a small token back the the working stiff.
We... already have tryed to discuss it.
And you runned away from it.
O.K. It do not bither ne to reoeat my argument.
So? WHAT AMOUNT of money you see "fair" to redistribute?
I showed clearly -- if "nasty-nasty-wrong" capitalist would decide to give ALL income as salary -- he'd be forced to fire all workers simultaneously. As he'd be not able to pay for continuing priduction process.
So? What amount, Les?
//No workers, no profit for Corporation.
That is not workers that create profit, Les.
By your own definition -- they create "surplus" ONLY..
Which... neither you nor even Marx himself bothered himself to explain -- how it relates with profit.
Profit -- that is money after Product was sold.
If it *NOT* sold.
Or sold for a less PRICE.
There'd be *NO*MONEY* to pay additional. Or even regular. Salary.
(and capitalist himself will be pressed hard to pay all bills and debts... capitalist ONLY, NOT his hired workers... and his, capitalist's, family will be impoverished... NOT worker's)
//American workers need to engage in a planned and sustained general strike to break the backs of greedy capitalists and greedy Corporations across America.
Yap.
liliPut and liliXi would like it. Dearly.
Especially on weapon making pkants.
//That is what's needed. But, the capitalist system of extraction and exploitation has made folks so dependent on their wage labor just to barely survive it makes a general strike (or work stoppage if you will) impossible.
"Barely survive"?
With 10$ per hour minimal wage?
And Big Mac meal around 6-8$???
In compare with countries with 1-2$ PER MONTH wages
And that is whoke family need to survive on that.
Lessy, you talking BS here.
I know your reified beliefs, grounded in your conditioning, is what you must cling to. It's what keeps you comfy at night. And that's alright. Because karma will do its work when it ripens.
In the meantime, well, you have a warm and fuzzy clinging, ya hear...
What conditioning?
In words "Profit is after Product sold"? ;-p
But that is DIRECT CITATION from Marx! %^)
As we, in Soviet Union, really was conditioned -- to know what that dumb ass have had written )((
And as I understand.
You AGAIN squinted-dodged.
To answer simple question: "Where capitalist shoukd take that money -- to pay salary you'd admit being fair???"
Well. Lessy will not answer.
Because it would be hellish ars pain to him -- from need to admit how *untrue*, based on pure satanic shit-talks all his commie babbling is.
But.
No prob, I will entertain myself with unwinding my argument further.
First. And that is directly coming from Marx -- capitalist have NO*OTHER money (money that he owns, not borrowed... and need to return, eventually) except income he have AFTER selling goods produced.
So. He CANNOT give all that money as salary.
He need to pay bills and buy renewal of tools and raw material.
That makes Income MINUS Due Expenses.
But, can he pay reminder as salary? Redistribute all PROFIT for the sake of workers?
Well... first, he need to HAVE that profit. To redistribute.
As there is NO garranty, what so ever. Even for a state monopoly, that can set whatever price it wants. And force people to pay.
There still "force major" events, that can ruin prospects of profit.
So.
Capitalist. First and foremost -- CANNOT redistribute any PROFIT freely. At his whim.
Even if he's lucky -- his goods sell well and there no force majors events (earthquakes, tornado. ship/train/car crashes, criminals actions).
He need to account that such a risks possible -- and stash some amount of money to mitigate such risks.
Because... would workers be SO*LOYAL, and return some part of money, to solve some problems and easy their employer risks... IF, he'd be so kind to share ALL*PROFIT with em?
Would they be so kind? %^p
Would they be such a good and faithful *PARTNERS* of capitalist?
Naaaah.)))))
So.
Just as Marx HIMSELF depicted in his Das Capital.
Income MINUS Due Expenses MINUS some decidable size of PROFIT stashed as reserves.
But.
That amounts only BARE MINUMUM of what capitalust may dare to "redistribute".
Because I still not mentioned OTHER kinds of *EXPENSES*
EXPENSES... NOT PROFITS!!!
Because... there's NO*MORE*PROFITS. Only expenese.
Like inevitable: taxes, debt interests (and body of debt repayment), return of investments, and etc, and etc, and etc.
And *NO* such expenses mere worker would agree to share with capitalist. To take part in taking risks.
That dirty minkey ony want "taking part in profits".
Well, the same as EVERYBODY ELSE around capitalist:
government, competitors and business partners, general publuc, overseas counterparts... name to em LEGION!
And all of em want to be and often need to be -- served from that sweet-sweet PROFIT.
Nobody of em helped to recieve.
...and then a miracle happens... tech is magical!
No, I don't rely on "tech".
So.
Gross Income (because money for goods sold need to be processed, delivered, transfered to bank account(s) or deposited as cash -- which means aditional *expenses* even here)
MINUS
Some Stone Cold Due Diligence *EXPENSES* (taxes, bills, tools and raws buying/delivery/storage, counterparts demands... )
MINUS
Somewhat Less Stone Cold Expenses (paying lawyers, advertising, all kinds of fees and etc... well, regular salary -- <<"unfair" one>> -- goes into this category too... Return of Investments)
MINUS
stashed for future use and mitigation of possible risks... if still something remains off that cutted down countlessly "sweet-sweet profit"...
MINUS
Somewhere HERE... can be that money, that could be "reassigned".
But.
Here comes MOST IMPORTANT money in all that schema of things -- money that can be REINVESTED back into:
improving workung konditions,
buying better equipment,
hiring more workers.
R&D of new goods...
And exactly this money... induced by Marx's insanity commies... want to *DESTROY*.
With their phony "redistribution" demands (and that is exactly what ruined Soviet Union -- where that dirty monkeys have had actual say... in political economy goal(s))
Yep. That's exactly the problem here.
Because only tech(s) relyable enough -- to rely on.
"Technology -- is your Friend"(c)
PS Well... you can try to rely on... inertia. ;-p
I used to receive profit sharing checks all the time. :)
And as a NASA contractor, we also got a piece of Contract "Award fees" based on contract performance. It was typically split 25% workers - 75% company. I preferred receiving straight up bonus checks for my own personal (not group) performance though.
...all on top of the ridiculous salary they paid me.
Boeing had great profit sharing... it was based on average stock price performance over multiple quarters and multiple years.
If you left the company (Boeing) you forfeited the out-year profit sharing checks. It "kept you loyal". Boeing only ran our contract for 5 years though. What a shame...
There *NEED* to be profit, for that.
Under commies -- such thing do not exist!
Under commies there only "rent"...
controlled manually by party bozos.
Yawn.
I do still get a small pension from them though... I've got nothing but fond memories. :)
Well. That is what "capitalism with human face" is... should be?
Boeing does not use a direct "profit-sharing" formula for most employees; instead, it utilizes performance- and incentive-based bonus programs—such as the Employee Incentive Plan (EIP) and Performance Based Incentive (PBI)—where payouts are determined by a mix of company-wide financial metrics, safety/quality goals, and individual performance ratings.
Incentive Bonus Calculation Structure
Eligible Earnings: Your total base earnings or salary received during the performance year.
Target Bonus Percentage: A baseline percentage determined by your labor agreement or job structure (historically around 5% to 7% for standard performance ratings).
Company Performance Score: A consolidated "One Boeing" score that weighs financial performance (roughly 80%) alongside safety, quality metrics, and program execution (roughly 20%).
Individual Performance Multiplier: A factor based on your annual personal performance and review rating.
General Formula
\(\text{Bonus\ Payout}=\text{Eligible\ Earnings}\times \text{Target\ Bonus\ }(\%)\times \text{Company\ Score\ }(\%)\times \text{Individual\ Rating}\)
The point is, everything Les whines about already exists. It isn't "mandated". Companies that want the best workers, pay. Want to get paid? Become a "best worker".
All I ever earned in bonus and profit sharing pales in comparison to what my daughter gets in annual bonus from the law firm she's a partner in.
But don't become a stock boy at Target and expect the same "deal". Companies aren't charities and don't all maintain the same profit margins.
lol!! That what went wrong in the 70's onward. All the additional profits from productivity improvements tech/computers/ etc. went to stockholders, not workers.
//Boeing does not use a direct "profit-sharing" formula for most employees;
Means... there is *NO* natural solution to that problem.
That's what I leading donkey-Les to.
But he unwilling to drink.
What a stubborn animal. ;-p
//Want to get paid? Become a "best worker".
That's it.
But. Commies want to be paid... WITHOUT WORKING.
Especially ones who screams about "social justice" the most.
Wannabe Stalins and Maos -- willing to Power, and nothing else. ;-p
"Money makes money"(tm)
Yawn.
But well, they need engine under the hood. Maintanence. Repair. Or some time -- upgrade.
Engine -- techs. ;-p
Yawn.
It's just technology... that was &n-productive.
Model of a car inside computer -- that is NOT a car physicly.
It will not carry you anywhere...
No, capitalist, (and theIr corporations) living off the wealth created for them by their wage slaves, should be taxed at a considerably higher rate and the taxes should be used for infrastructure used by the capitalist/corporation . Additionally they should be used for social services that benefit the many, not just the few.
Taxes going to the war making machinery should be greatly reduced and lobbyists outlawed entirely. Foreign aid to genocidal state's like Zionist Isreal should be completely shut off and no military support or intellegence given for their constant wars with Arabs. Anywhere on the planet.
The. American. Empire is failing and staying with the status quo is the certain path to eventual collapse. Or, total defeat.
Wrong again. As usual
No one needs billions or trillions to survive. No one. Nor should large profitable corporations have an effectively lower tax bracket than a woman or man making 60 or 80 thousand dollars a year.
The risk argument is somewhat valid. But for the person trying to live on $15.00/hr when the CEO is making millions through salary, bonuses, and other perks it falls on deaf ears. As it should.
Love that .0001% interest financial institutions have on savings accounts while charging 12% to 21% on credit cards. What a fucking great deal!
Ignorance reins supreme among the capitalist elite. And the poor working class schmuck has no choice but to accept and work to support the ignorance of the selfish and greedy.
Les isn't winning. Les had a decent life for 74 years so far. But Les sees the trend of the last 46 years with clear vision.
Glad I don't have 60 years yet to live and I feel sorry for my grandchildren as their opportunities will be very limited and life very hard.
Conservatives have become the bane of society.
That is absolutely a crock of pure bullshit. And every honest person with 1/2 of a brain knows it.
...until it learns to drive itself. It's just a question of model fidelity.
Truckers, say goodbye to the trucking industry!
The record states otherwise, Les.
No, people unwilling to take risks, instead of guaranteed $, are the bane. It's why they all have TDS. Trump takes risks.
You're so FOS it is almost comical.
But continue to live your reified conditioned beliefs.
I'll continue to live in actual present day reality.
Surplus salaried managers focus on risk mitigation. Owners and entrepreneurs on risk taking.
My beliefs are the opposite of "conditioned", Les.
As are mine. Finally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that is not YOUR words
above here???
//Les CarpenterAugust 22, 2026 at 2:57 PM
No, capitalist, (and theIr corporations) living off the wealth created for them by their wage slaves, should be taxed at a considerably higher rate and the taxes should be used for infrastructure used by the capitalist/corporation . Additionally they should be used for social services that benefit the many, not just the few.
What is "taxes" if *NOT* MONEY RECIEVED WITHOUT WORKING???
Or maybe corporati(ns should do what Ams previously did? Declare "no taxation without representation", uhm? ;-p
Yes. They poisoned by Russian Venomous Propaganda.
Both of your.
Why... he have freedom to became "greed and selfish" capitalist. ;-p
But for that -- one need to take great risk.
What ordinary schmuks cannot stomach.
That's why they whine.
Pathetic. Yawn.
Dumb ass... "infrastructure" you whined about here. And "social services".
Can easily gobble not billions, but trillions and zillions.
But WHO WILL GAIN em?
Commies??? ))))
That know only how to SPEND.
Other people gained money.
Yeah.
You are right.
Marx is totally wrong (as I did say nothing else, but citing him here)
Question was HOW TO GAIN? money.
Not HOW TO SPEND?
But. You showed yourself natural commie. AGAIN.
And only.
Yawn.
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