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Wednesday, July 12, 2023

The Crisis of Narration

h/t - Woodsterman

Alexander Carmele, Byung-Chul Han: "The Crisis of Narration" (Google translated from German)
Models of Interpretation (4): As part of the series Models of Interpretation, of which there is already a first part with Theodor W. Adorno's Skoteinos, a second with Jacques Derrida Law Force and a third based on Franz Kafka's The Trial on this blog, I am now dealing with a much-discussed and globally received philosopher, Byung-Chul Han, and the way in which he describes in his text The crisis of narration deals with texts, quotes, references and content.

Han's text is closely linked to Francois Lyotard's The Postmodern Knowledge, in which something similar was diagnosed more than forty years ago, namely that we were in a time after the end of great narratives and that only self-transparent, or undead little narratives existed, full of interwoven and irrelevant details that could no longer lure anyone out from behind the stove. In contrast to Lyotard, who argues his diagnosis along the lines of the natural sciences, Byung-Chul Han tries to prove the same in literature and in the lack of modern storytelling. In the following, why Han's ten-chapter booklet contributes more to the symptom than to the diagnosis.

Reasoning logic:

1. From narrative to information. Han begins The Crisis of Narration with the difference between customer and information, two manifestations of communication. The customer contains something strange, unknown, mysterious. The information, on the other hand, clarifies and leads back. It explains, whereas the customer transfigures. In the wake of modernity, which consists above all in the dismantling of distance and distance, a form of decay of narrative emerges, according to one of Walter Benjamin's theses: the novel that is read by individuals where a communal experience was previously communicated. According to Han, the narrative includes self-oblivious listening in the narrative community, whose fateful power creates a "we" in secret.
The customer, on the other hand, is characterized by an unavailable remoteness. It heralds a historical event that eludes availability and predictability. We are at the mercy of him like a force of fate.
-Byung-Chul Han from: "The Crisis of Narration"

However, the information is isolated in the course of the competitive society. Individuals forget how to listen. They become isolated and lose conscious control in the accelerated exchange of information and dive into an externally controlled, algorithm-controlled communication process.
>In the age of storytelling as storyselling, narrative and advertising are indistinguishable. This is the current crisis of narrative.<We are at the mercy of the algorithmic black box.
Strangely enough, there is no contradiction in Han's argumentation between the customer and the information, both of which, in a certain form of reception, either by eavesdropping or rapid clicking, lead to blind obedience. The only difference would be that the one, the customer, establishes a religious, eschatological telos, salvation, but information establishes a secular event, success. Byung-Chul Han's conceptual apparatus, which he derives undialectically from Walter Benjamin's writing The Narrator, is unable to clearly differentiate between the two. One

2. Poverty of experience occurs. In the next chapter, Han pits problem-solving strategies against wisdom. Wisdom does not need a narrative, a tradition, problem solving. Wisdom requires a historical continuum, from which, however, technology, the culture of the new barbarian, emancipates itself:
[The new barbarian] is animated by the pathos of the new. First of all, he clears the table. He does not see himself as a narrator, but as a 'constructor'. Benjamin [in his essay Experience and Poverty] generalizes the new barbarism to the principle of the new.
According to this quote, the hope for the new is lost in the managed world. A spirit of optimism has turned into consumption. The lack of alternatives is spreading. Wisdom becomes technology. Han diagnoses acceleration:
Information fragments time. Time is shortened to a narrow gauge of the current. It lacks temporal breadth and depth. The compulsion to update destabilizes life. The past is no longer effective in the present.
It is not clear in terms of what, according to Han, the time is shortened in postmodernism. How can information fragment time? What time? He writes that the past is no longer effective in the present, but how do past and present differ? Han alludes to memorylessness.

3. The narrated life. After a brief anthropological sketch from Marcel Proust to Walter Benjamin to Martin Heidegger, according to which man is not a momentary being, Han distinguishes his memory from a database. Human memory is sequestering, the database is not.
Memory is not a mechanical repetition of what has been experienced, but a narrative that has to be told again and again. Memories are necessarily sketchy. They presuppose proximity and distance. When everything experienced is present, i.e. available, without distance, the memory disappears. A complete reproduction of the experience is also not a narrative, but a report or protocol.
Han does not clarify how a complete reproduction of the experience is possible. Even a film camera has a perspective or observation plane – and frequencies are also cut away in audio processing. Each data fragment results from a decision, a selection. The only question is to what extent the decision is carried out consciously or not. For Han, modern information technology forces an unconscious twilight:
On digital platforms, a reflexive-narrative processing and condensation of what is lived is neither possible nor desirable. Even the technical dispositif of digital platforms [introduced by Michel Foucault] does not allow for time-consuming, narrative practice.
As a tool, information technologies only offer behaviors. They can only facilitate or complicate certain practices, but they cannot force anything, nevertheless Han concludes, in connection between smartphone and homo sapiens:
The Phono sapiens apparently leaves behind Homo sapiens, who is in need of redemption.
4. The naked life. Han repeats the motif that only narrative brings order to the world and that everything that is not perceived as part of a narrative, i.e. a basic structure of order, appears naked. For him, information exposes the world. She offers them undisguised to the greedy gaze, while the narrative obscures, conceals and thus protects life:
The information as such is pornographic, because it is without cover. The only thing that is eloquent, narrative is the cover, the veil that weaves itself around things. Concealment and obfuscation are essential to the narrative.
However, veiling or obfuscating implies an instance that does not put all the cards on the table, that cannot be seen into them, i.e. a power motive. It is only on the basis of an interpretive sovereignty that filters, decides what may be seen, said, heard, that narrative, customer, mystery and meaning arises, according to Han, and thus directs the observation, experience and reflection of the individual. This becomes clear in the next section using a metaphor chosen by Han.

5. Disenchantment of the world. It tells the story of a boy who cannot tell a story and is therefore sent by his parents to an old woman to learn it. This gives him an impossible task that he cannot solve. She scolds him and sends him back. It is only through failure, through rebuke, through experiencing defeat that the boy's imagination is fired and thus enabled to tell his parents something.
Paul Maar's story reads like a subtle social critique. She seems to accuse us of forgetting how to tell stories. The loss of narrative power is blamed on the disenchantment of the world.
However, the enchantment here is only possible through an instance, that of the mysterious woman, who leads the boy around by the nose like in the hare and hedgehog fable. The old woman sends the boy astray. Its failure is calculated and decided in advance. The impossibility of assessing and understanding the situation motivates a substitute action: the narrative. Once again, Han pits information against narrative.
Today, we perceive the world primarily through information. Information has neither distance nor vastness. You can't keep the harsh gusts of wind or the glittering sunshine in you. They lack auratic spaces. In this way, they detauratize and demystify the world. Language completely loses its aura the moment it atrophies into information. The information represents the absolute degree of loss of language.
Han introduces information as a perceptual practice, which, however, decouples itself from the perceivers and, strangely enough, destroys the magic of language through this decoupling. How the layers are connected to each other remains hidden. It simply says:
The pile is the antithesis of the narrative. Events only condense into a story if they are layered in a certain way. The pile of data or information is without history. It is not narrative, but cumulative.
The juxtaposition is lost in the void. Data is not somehow generated and falls from the sky from somewhere. Data is created from measurements. However, those who do not know the measurements, do not know how they are carried out, do not understand the context of the data. Since, according to Han, the lack of understanding would have to lead to meaning-making processes, the pile of data would be an ideal starting point for a story. The distinction does not work, but leads:

6. From shock to like. Han reads the destruction of mystery and the perception of the world as a pile of information in parallel with the triumph of the smartphone, which he regards as a re-imagined mirror stage of humanity by means of a psychoanalytic par force ride from Sigmund Freund to Jacques Lacan:
The smartphone accelerates the expulsion of the other. It is a digital mirror that brings about a post-infantile reissue of the mirror stage. Thanks to smartphones, we remain in a mirror stage that maintains an imaginary ego.
In the wake of information theory, Han even speaks of a "change in our psychic apparatus" that leads to a blunting and sliding down into the inorganic. The only way to counter this is to go back to the narrative:

7. Theory as narrative. Big data and artificial intelligence are not enough to create a narrative order, a meaning. Real theory, according to Han, explains the world:
Theory as a narrative outlines an order of things that relates them and thereby explains why they behave the way they do. She develops conceptual contexts that make things comprehensible.
Here, in The Crisis of Narration, Han performs a somersault mortale at the beginning of his text. At the beginning he writes that narration takes place without explanation, even consists in the absence of explanations, in order to claim at the end that a theory only represents knowledge if it tells, i.e. explains. Neither the end fits the beginning nor the beginning fits the end. Even the oath of revelation of Byung-Chul Hans, who works as a philosopher, does not help:
Thus, the current crisis of narration also takes hold of philosophy and prepares for it. We no longer have the courage to be philosophical, we no longer have the courage to think about theory, that is, we no longer have the courage to tell stories.
Memoryless, unaware of his own contradictions, he nevertheless invokes the:

8. Narrative as healing. One reason for the narrative crisis lies in poor listening. As a good listener, Han cites Momo from Michael Ende's novel of the same name. As in a psychoanalytic or deep hermeneutic therapy session, the speakers are allowed to tell themselves freely:
Listening is not a passive state, but an active doing. It inspires his counterpart to tell stories and opens up a resonance chamber in which the narrator feels meant, heard, even loved.
In fact, however, there is a lack of will to listen and is opposed to the rampant logic of efficiency. Storytelling and listening lose all community-building effect:>>
In the age of storytelling as storyselling, narrative and advertising are indistinguishable. This is the current crisis of narrative.
This is also the crisis of Byung-Chul Hans Büchlein, because it only has the goal of distinguishing between the two, namely in the successful one:

9. Narrative community. Han evokes a community without communication in silent harmony, which tells but does not mean, which hears but does not communicate, which is formed from a non-exclusive identity narrative, and quotes Novalis:
The individual lives in the whole and the whole in the individual. Poetry creates the highest sympathy and co-activity, the most intimate community.
-Novalis from: "Art Fragments" [Link]

It is necessary to stir up a new community-building force in the narrative, the 'power of fate' mentioned at the beginning, which is prepared for the future and does not allow itself to be frightened by 'rampant private opinions', which only consist of

10. Pass story selling. According to Han, private opinions and fast-moving information do not stabilize life. They do not provide orientation or support. In this way, the prevailing social system suppresses any critical reflection from the outset and robs man of his nature as an animal forans, which distinguishes him from animals.

Communicative summary:

Key to Han's text The crisis of narration lies in the distinction between information and customer, narrative and story, history and data, order and heap, individual and community, human and animal. He establishes these differences, permutes them, but does not give them any distinctiveness. For example, he describes information as something that decomposes time, but elsewhere history as something self-contained and information as something continuous, so that both lose every distinguishing feature from each other.

Or, he describes narrative as a selection process, since a narrative does not tell everything, but finds that data does not mean anything because it lacks explanation. Explanation now again must be missing in a narrative, which is what distinguishes her, according to Han, quoting Walter Benjamin. Nevertheless, data is far from being a narrative, and databases are not memory, and big data is not knowledge. It boils down to the fact that everything is one, even the dreaded storyselling and storytelling, as evidenced by the quote above. It seems as if Han has occupied himself with his so ostracized and condemned modernity for so long that Friedrich Nietzsche's saying applies:
Whoever fights with monsters may see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And if you look into an abyss for a long time, the abyss also looks into you. [Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146]
-Friedrich Nietzsche from: "Beyond Good and Evil" (§146)

What Byung-Chul Han's text The Crisis of Narration ironically lacks is its order, which is so often complained about. There are 96 quotes on only 92 pages. Walter Benjamin, Martin Heidegger, Niklas Luhmann, Immanuel Kant, Sigmund Freud, Jacques Lacan, Hannah Arendt, Gershom Scholem, Novalis and Andreas Reckwitz are discussed in rapid megalomania, without relating them to each other and in their conceptualization, e.g. the completely different concept of time of Benjamin and Kant, or of Novalis and Luhmann. Not to mention the respective philosophy of language.

So what Hans lacks in The Crisis of Narration is a selection criterion, something that motivates the differences from which Han starts, but also dynamically continues and unfolds them. He doesn't add anything to his quotes. Basically, it merely obscures by not conceptually distinguishing between information and communication, i.e. information and customer, narrative and data. They merge congruently into each other. One possible criterion would have been connectivity, which distinguishes narrative and information precisely in the extent to which this or that written or spoken word gives rise to further thinking, further imagining, further communicating. Radical judgments such as 'that's good' or 'that's bad' end the conversation. They do not open up any new scope.

From this and with this criterion behind them, narration, information, data and facts could now be linked together and examined for communicability. Byung Chul-Hans The Crisis of Narration has been content with a critique of current conditions and successfully emulates these strategies and practices, which, absurdly according to its own description, are deplorable, in word and gesture.
tl;dr ... a short version of the reading review can be found here.

From time to time, I will post reviews of classics or theoretical texts. In the course of this, my canon should gradually gain life and content and comprehensibility.

Other current and classic short reviews can already be found here.

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

Google translation... :-(((

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I don't speak German... :(((

Anonymous said...

Well... they say ChatGPT somewhat smarter. ;-)

Anonymous said...

I stumbled on that "consumer and information"... and decided that its pointless to try to dechifer it furter...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I think you have to have read a bit of Han to understand where Google translate failed.

Anonymous said...

I have read Lem's: witty, entertaining, short, easy to read.

And it got me decades... while wisdom of that texts made its roots in me.

How many time would I need to comprehend some second hand, unintelligible, half-assed babbling???

Even if some "wisdom" in there...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A slow "digestion". Our age is so impatient. It craves the immediate "kick" from caffein in the morning... from new information. Who ever goes back and read's yesterday's newspaper when today's is sitting on the table?

Every day I Google "Byung-Chul Han" and "Slavoj Zizek" and then filter for the last 24 hours. I'm sure that's there plenty of older, more informative pieces of their work out there. But it saves me from having to wade through all the old to find their most current thoughts.

I know, I'm babbling.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Someone like Lem I would have to approach differently. I prefer to approach an author "chronologically" when I have time and can, to observe the evolution in his thought, and try and understand how/why/what made it evolve. Perhaps Lem is worthy of such a process. But it might take a year, or more. Fortunately, i'll be having more time on my hands to manage in a few weeks. :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Hmmmm...

Anonymous said...

\\I know, I'm babbling.

There's no problem in it.

As you could envision it yourself... I never was in some kind of bookclub... with tea and cookies. ;-P

So... waiting from me, from myself ability of un-judge-mental discussion of some piece of text... :-))) ehm.



\\Someone like Lem I would have to approach differently. I prefer to approach an author

Well... circumstances of time and place.

That blazing 60th. When we was young. And able to look with starry eyes at whole Universe.

I think... very important -- for understnading development of Lem as... phylosopher first of all. Schklovsky.

Intelligent Life in the Universe: I. S. Shklovsky, Carl Sagan
www.amazon.com › Intelligent-Life-Universe-I...
15,04 USD
It was boring lots of material that seemed pointless I threw it away it was a big waste of time. 2 people found this helpful.


Well... you see attitude toward it. From Today. ;-P



\\Hmmm

Well... I can provide my review here. ;-)


Solaris



//Ijon Tichy
Ijon Tichy, Lem's Candide of the Cosmos, encounters bizarre civilizations and creatures in space that serve to satirize science,

Lighthearted and ironic shorts... if you'd find a way to listen em as podcasts on the road to work, or something. It's interesting, how much humor of it would be to you. ;-)


\\Star Diaries
Memoirs of Ijon Tichy
This collection of short stories centers around one character, space traveller Ijon Tichy.

Same as above.

\\Memoirs of a Space Traveler
In this sequel to The Star Diaries, Ijon Tichy, space traveler of future centuries, discovers that "out there" isn't very different from "down here."

Same as above.



\\The Invincible

Action book... like one of your ams authors. But pretty much nothing about Lem's phylosophy there.


Anonymous said...


\\Cyberiad
A brilliantly crafted collection of stories from celebrated science fiction writer Stanislaw Lem Trurl and Klaupacius are constructor robots...

Hardest to digest, I presume, and to understand alegories. And who knows how it'll be in translation.
But... brimming with Lem's phylosophy. ;-)




\\The Chain of Chance

Lem's detective...


\\A Perfect Vacuum

not readed it... yet.


\\Return from the Stars
Hal Bregg is an astronaut who returns from a space mission in which only 10 biological years have passed for him, while 127 years have elapsed on earth. He finds that the earth has changed beyond recognition...

Not that much as that promicing description.




\\More Tales of Pirx the Pilot
Pirx the Pilot
Commander Pirx, who drives space vehicles for a living in the galaxy of the future

Well... not galaxy. Just our solar system.
Lem's try on "social realism" -- mandated by soviet censors overview on sci-fi -- that it must depict "closest perspectives of scientific and technological advancment".

Kinda like your recent Expanse series.

Well... for me it needed to acqure taste to digest it. ;-)


\\His Master's Voice
A witty and inventive satire of "men of science" and their thinking,

NOT a satire. WTF that reviewer thinking???
Or that just cultural differences?

Sci-Fi in SETI setting. Rara Ave.


\\Imaginary Magnitude
These wickedly authentic introductions to twenty-first-century books preface tomes on teaching English to bacteria, using animated X-rays to create "pornograms," and analyzing computer-generated literature through the science of "bitistics." "Lem, a ...



\\The Futurological Congress

Satire.


\\One Human Minute
Essays by the author of Solaris: “Lem’s delightful sense of humor accentuates his essential seriousness about humanity’s possible fate” (Publishers Weekly). In One Human Minute, Stanislaw Lem takes a hard look at our world and technology -- w...

not readed it... yet.


\\Memoirs Found in a Bathtub

Have discussed it.


\\Microworlds
In this bold and controversial examination of the past, present, and future of science fiction, Lem informs the raging debate over the literary merit of the genre with ten arch, incisive, provocative essays. Edited and with an Introduction by Franz R...

not readed it... yet.


\\Fiasco

Marty Sue.




\\Hospital Of The Transfiguration
It is 1939; the Nazis have occupied Poland. A young doctor disturbed by the fate of Poland joins the staff of an insane asylum only to find a world of pain and absurdity to match that outside.

Biographic... they say.


\\Eden
A six-man crew crash-lands on Eden, fourth planet from another sun. The men find a strange world that grows ever stranger, and everywhere there are images of death. The crew's attempt to communicate with this civilization leads to violence and to a c...

Early work. Nothing special.


\\Tales of Pirx the Pilot
In Pilot Pirx, Lem has created an irresistibly likable character: an astronaut who gives the impression of still navigating by the seat of his pants-a bumbler but an inspired one. By investing Pirx with a range of human foibles, Lem offers a wonderfu...



\\Mortal Engines
These fourteen science fiction stories reveal Lem''s fascination with artificial intelligence and demonstrate just how surprisingly human sentient machines can be. Written in the form of grotesque folk fairy tales, these stories about robot kings,...

Even more hairy then Cyberiad.


\\Peace on Earth
Ijon Tichy is the only human who knows for sure whether the self-programming robots on the moon are plotting a terrestrial invasion. But a highly focused ray severs his corpus collosum. Now his left brain can’t remember the secret and his uncoopera...




\\Highcastle
The author describes his innocent childhood as the son of a doctor in Lvov between the two world wars, during which his most vivid memories include episodes with his gossipy French tutor, the view from a confectionary store, and halvah stands....

Bio.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Thanks for the recap. I think I'll head to B&N and see what's in stock.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Zero. Need to order on-line.

Anonymous said...

Yap. :-((

Or use "pirated" version.

It is public domain pretty much anyway. Blast from the past. Blazing 60th.

Well... there's listed only things that sci-fi, and less phylosophical.

Golem, phd Tarantoga series, his magna opus Summa Technologiae... I do not see it there.

Anonymous said...

\\Zero. Need to order on-line.

Probably... you should reach for secondhand books.

Or lurk into farest darkest corners of a library (if you still have such thing there ;-P)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That's a thought. I haven't been to ours in years.

Anonymous said...

:-)

lurking among bookshelves... what can be better?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

They only had two, and one was illsutrated for youth (so I passed). I got "The Truth and Other stories". The print rather small for my failing eyes, but I'll giver her a go. :)

Anonymous said...

Magnifing glass?

Or... make foto of the page and then use either smartphone or monitor... or maybe even some e-ink device?

Possibilities is numerous today.


\\one was illsutrated for youth (so I passed)

Yep... I think that was deliberate, by Lem.

He visibly was not successful with communicating his ideas to a grownups.

So he decided to make most arcane of his wisdoms... into fairytail-likes. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Well... in and out.

I more like how Lem able to point at problematic... without inforcing his narrative.

Like he did in that novel about Korkoran. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That's the sign of a great author. The make complex subjects simple.

Anonymous said...

Desho!

Anonymous said...

Well... interesting contrast.

Between Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha... and that some Hornblower (new series).

Between impostor, who struggling through need to demonstrate masterful play of the real thing... and haunted by millions of ghosts ensuring.

And happy-go-lucky real personage who behaving in accordance with own ideas and ideals... while author with all his might of creator's voluntarism -- makes it all working out... somehow. :-)))))))))))

Do Noosphere trying to wisper to me about something... with this.

I bet on that that you'd tell me. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

e=mc^2

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

....a crisis of meaning which propaganda often seeks to exploit by creating a "hyper-reality".

5 The psychological explanation of this. To derive something unknown from something familiar relieves, comforts, and satisfies, besides giving a feeling of power. With the unknown, one is confronted with danger, discomfort, and care; the first instinct is to abolish these painful states. First principle: any explanation is better than none. Since at bottom it is merely a matter of wishing to be rid of oppressive representations, one is not too particular about the means of getting rid of them: the first representation that explains the unknown as familiar feels so good that one "considers it true." The proof of pleasure ("of strength") as a criterion of truth.

The causal instinct is thus conditional upon, and excited by, the feeling of fear. The "why?" shall, if at all possible, not give the cause for its own sake so much as for a particular kind of cause--a cause that is comforting, liberating, and relieving. That it is something already familiar, experienced, and inscribed in the memory, which is posited as a cause, that is the first consequence of this need. That which is new and strange and has not been experienced before, is excluded as a cause. Thus one searches not only for some kind of explanation to serve as a cause, but for a particularly selected and preferred kind of explanation--that which has most quickly and most frequently abolished the feeling of the strange, new, and hitherto unexperienced: the most habitual explanations. Consequence: one kind of positing of causes predominates more and more, is concentrated into a system and finally emerges as dominant, that is, as simply precluding other causes and explanations. The banker immediately thinks of "business," the Christian of "sin," and the girl of her love.


--Nietzsche, "Twilight of the Idols"

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Meden agan!

Thersites said...

Just finished "The Hunt" a short story from the 1950's. Great ending. :)

Anonymous said...

\\With the unknown, one is confronted with danger, discomfort, and care;

What unknown? There is different ones. Like known unknowns. Unknown unknowns.

Like... Hamplet, prince of Dutch was confronted with KNOWN unknowns -- if he'd apise agianst his uncle-king -- he'd put his life to a big risk.



\\Thus one searches not only for some kind of explanation to serve as a cause, but for a particularly selected and preferred kind of explanation--that which has most quickly and most frequently abolished the feeling of the strange, new, and hitherto unexperienced: the most habitual explanations.

Was not a programmer...

conditional filter can filter out ONLY that it recognizes. NOTHING else.

So, what that all babbling is about???



\\Consequence: one kind of positing of causes predominates more and more, is concentrated into a system and finally emerges as dominant

That's it!

But... that is AGAIN just a phenomenological, non-holistic, barbaric overview of what we can see when we try to confront with Reality...



Anonymous said...

There is another story... that might be in that book. "the Friend" ;-)


Well... what I tryed... it's a lame math-like, or more like physics-like phylosophical takeaway.

Like imagioning a line... on which all possible states of human mind could be.

There is natural two extrime points:

point of total control -- like faint example we could have in our dreams -- just thinking about something... and it emerges.

point of total chaos.

But that is not that interesting, to explore possibilities around that points. Too trivial, as mathematician would say.

But.

There is that two movies. Which visibly give two other extreme points.

Kurosawa's -- point where one have zero control over things... but, if behaving accordingly, can feel himself great... or not?

Hornblower -- where one visibly free in all decisions... but, by the power of an author, avoiding most severe possibilities (like being killed in a duel).

What could be discerned... out of such play of thought... dunno.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

conditional filter can filter out ONLY that it recognizes. NOTHING else.

So, what that all babbling is about???


It explains the error of hunting snarks with railway shares, especially if it encounters a Boojum! No one see's the Black Swan coming.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Carroll, "The Hunbting of the Snark", First the Fit

"'You may seek it with thimbles—and seek it with care;
You may hunt it with forks and hope;
You may threaten its life with a railway-share;
You may charm it with smiles and soap—'"

("That's exactly the method," the Bellman bold
In a hasty parenthesis cried,
"That's exactly the way I have always been told
That the capture of Snarks should be tried!")

"'But oh, beamish nephew, beware of the day,
If your Snark be a Boojum! For then
You will softly and suddenly vanish away,
And never be met with again!'

Anonymous said...

\\It explains the error of hunting snarks with railway shares, especially if it encounters a Boojum! No one see's the Black Swan coming.

See the problem? That is talking with metaphors.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Andrei Tarkovsky

We can express our feelings regarding the world around us either by poetic or by descriptive means... I prefer to express myself metaphorically. Let me stress: metaphorically, not symbolically. A symbol contains within itself a definite meaning, certain intellectual formula, while metaphor is an image. An image possessing the same distinguishing features as the world it represents. An image — as opposed to a symbol — is indefinite in meaning. One cannot speak of the infinite world by applying tools that are definite and finite. We can analyse the formula that constitutes a symbol, while metaphor is a being-within-itself, it’s a monomial. It falls apart at any attempt of touching it."

:)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

I not care much about expressing my feelings... but more inclined to DO something with this World. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You're a better man than most. :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...as for me, I'm looking forward to "closing" my profile and returning to a life of non-authentic "sincerity". At some point, we run out of a utility for "others".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:)

Anonymous said...

\\You're a better man than most. :)

Hmmm???

Well, it seems, to achive that goal I might acqure ability to express myself more... would it make me borse man? :-)))



\\...as for me, I'm looking forward to "closing" my profile and returning to a life of non-authentic "sincerity". At some point, we run out of a utility for "others".

Please don't go... drones need you.


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:)

Anonymous said...

Well... that's why we need a tech... to do it in our stead.

Or... as Lem cleverly suggested in one of his texts...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Then what will men do? How will the earn the means to live? Developing tech? A vicious circle?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or a virtuous one?

Anonymous said...

\\Then what will men do? How will the earn the means to live?

We reached that point long-long before. In stone age?

Point when men was able to self-sustain.

That is women who drive our evolution since. ;-P

Better furr for her garderoub. Better house. Bigger cars. Bank account. Savings for retirmant and to pay for collage for kids. %-)))



While men are about...

you know...

frogs and snails, and puppy dog tails. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I would have posted a Yanitsaros YouTube video about "Our Greek Brides" here... but they've all been taken down now. :(

Too old my ass. They're "Lindy" worthy.

Anonymous said...

;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Snagged! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Yet one part of Hornblower (new series).

This time about higherups messed up, then subordiantes trying to fix that mess... with their lifes, and then it all placated by political reasons, "because Nation needs heroes".

So 90th. :-))))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Elite overproduction?

Anonymous said...

Dozen of "those, who know better"... for a 700 age of sails man-o-war crue??? ;-P

No, just ordinary "human's factor": old and tiredness against youth and goody-goodiness (aka wokedness, today) ;-P

Anonymous said...

More like elite-non-reproduction.

Anonymous said...

Like when two mpst crucial elements of it: emmitent of that wisdom and recepient... went DIA.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sounds like Thamus was right...Plato, "Phaedrus" At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god, whose name was Theuth; the bird which is called the Ibis is sacred to him, and he was the inventor of many arts, such as arithmetic and calculation and geometry and astronomy and draughts and dice, but his great discovery was the use of letters. Now in those days the god Thamus was the king of the whole country of Egypt; and he dwelt in that great city of Upper Egypt which the Hellenes call Egyptian Thebes, and the god himself is called by them Ammon. To him came Theuth and showed his inventions, desiring that the other Egyptians might be allowed to have the benefit of them; he enumerated them, and Thamus enquired about their several uses, and praised some of them and censured others, as he approved or disapproved of them. It would take a long time to repeat all that Thamus said to Theuth in praise or blame of the various arts. But when they came to letters, This, said Theuth, will make the Egyptians wiser and give them better memories; it is a specific both for the memory and for the wit. Thamus replied: O most ingenious Theuth, the parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge of the utility or inutility of his own inventions to the users of them. And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality.

Anonymous said...

Yet one hornblower... same pattern of old making "mistakes", youth dieing for it...

Only, now youth starting making own "mistakes" too... :-)


\\The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality.

Well... for that would not be true... that words must do something by itself. ;-)