Asteroid Evolution:Planetary Evolution?
Were our current planets sheddings from a single/ larger planet in our solar system by the YORP Effect? Did sheddings then join together over time at greater distance where YORP no longer dominates like rings of Venus? Was our moon created from a planetary collision, or a shedding event? Recent Discovery begs new questions?
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Oh, scientific content, once in a while.
You know, I found an answer to that question -- how'd one decide the problem of delivery intact machinery... through time and space. ;-)
And answer, as you could get, is -- obvious. In given framework.
If one don't known how to make and how to be sure that that device will be working.... past light years. ;-)
One need just to take it from Nature -- just go re-create it... on the run. ;-)
Nature has a bigger workshop. In Lucy's case, many Astronomical Units (AU)s and/or Light Years big. That means a lot more "tools" physics-wise. Got a fusion engine I can borrow? :(
...engine/ oven?
Go burn you stockpile of nukes. ;-P
Well... why neandertals could not nuke anybody?
They have had bigger brains even.
...and miss out on destroying a planet? Where's the fun in that?
Pass each other... as always. :-(((
Yeah, I was thinking more of a forge for Hephaestus' workshop.
He is lame after all, and it would pain him to travel from one end of the universe to the other in applying his different tools.
I mean, just look at the size of this instrument I once worked on.
...and I would have added a 4th, for spare and better 3D resolution.
Something more like this one, I once worked on.... which started out as 5, for a spare AND 3-D resolution.
What that in compare with Solar System... or even Galaxy GPS? ;-)
With grid of telescopes and antennas needed for it to work.
Am I not able to make your engineering feeling tingling?
I'm not a BIO-engineer. :(
Bio or not bio, what's the difference?
All in all it all the same.
Only it helps to have a medical or biology degree, as well. It's why American Universities began recommending dual-degrees.... trying to build polymaths and use of a parallax method for solving problems.
Kinda like what you are trying to do with your tech.
BS.
It need brains.
Not "some other type of brains".
That is that same Lefty propaganda too. ;-P
Then what type? What's your paradigm and :P
L. Ron Hubbard made millions from his.
And you've already got the SciFi think going! All you need is a story and fan-base for Q-Tech and you can build a whole Q-Tech world from fandom imitations. ;)
Only one little problem -- I want real thing.
And not some counterfeit made from cheap plastic in China. ;-P
Then be truthful. Don't be a scam. But you need a business model.
....and seeing it in the rearview mirror, having already developed it, as a fictional story, couldn't hurt.
You might get volunteers to "fill in the gaps". An outline... needing more "meat" on the bones.
Yeah.
That is the problem -- too many paths.
This conquest of Space with Ovos... but it not for the public.
Smart covers for smartphones, artifical toy-animals... but that is a niche BM, that could kill it, by allowing to be leapfroged by concurents.
Some nitty-gritty secret weaponry... but that makes it hostage of CIA and etc...
All beacuse of inherent property of such tech -- universality.
But same time -- there is no killing features to beat concurents... until it matures.
Old good human muscles. Or some iron ones. Still more capable with delivering results.
Well, I do not worry about it -- because that is natural thing. There is no thing, that became mighty from get go.
Like that steam turbine that was invented by ancient greeks.
Or powder... which was used to make firewerks by Chinese...
SO conquer Space.... with manga illustrations.... special JAXA edition.
:-)))
For very bare start of it. It needs bunch of brainy youth. And a 3D printer, at least one.
How much that looks over-pricy as Manhattan project??? ;-P
Well, that 3D printer better if made with own hands... as it will be improved till no end.
That's to show that very idea of layer by layer constuction is possible.
It can be demonstrated even with handmade gimmicks, but that I deem as oversiplification. There's not need to PROVE that something like that are possible. Too obvious.
So... then, that bunch need to prepare some very basic (by modern standard... not Manhattan times standard, I dare to point it to you, again) toolset -- how/what CAD systen to use to simuate/produce drawings which than can be showeled into 3D printer.
That's stage 1.
Next immediate stage -- how to produce some prototype.
Thats why brainy people needed. Overqualifed, if you want. Because that is where all fun starts -- they need to be able to come up with some viable designs. And be able to find ways of making em, shortly.
I myself, was not working in such environments. And didn't saw such a people in my withinity. Only that who could make what they was told.
And even that, barely.
That's why I said brains-brains-brains and brains needed.
And some secluded place. For them to work without interference from outer world.
Scunk workshop. I bet on that you know that word.
As I see it... the simplest. But same time showing benefits of idea prototyupe could be -- artifical fish.
Why? Because it symplest -- 1-coordianate movment -- it need wag its tail... and than AI can try to make it into more deliberate movment.
And... it'd demonstrate one of core benefits -- possibility to make air-tight mechanusms. Which is very big problem for making anything undewater (or in space).
While same time mascarade initial weakness of a model -- as for making sometrhing that would crawl in mud -- some bones and mucsles needed.
And it would be and not that easy to achieve at start. And... there'd be not easy competishion -- as there no end of crawling, wheeling robotic prototypes. And they all beat into the ground by same old Evoltution developed type -- homo sapience. Which is over-engineered. And cheap as dirt. In compare. ;-P
That's sums up Stage 2.
Next stage too... to unwind it into kind of Edison's Workshop. I bet on you know that much -- how Edison was working. ;-)
Means -- to scale it into laboratory to produce many types, many variants of it -- to collect very valuable informationm which is not available anywhere.
That would assume Stage 3... and something good (or not good, if I am idiot and my idea total bullshit... and only working with metals can do any good... ;-P) can be started. Like that same robots for Mars, or some sophisticated weaponry -- cheap as dirt, or that same smart covers for smartphones -- artifical animals with tactile feedback.
To make it all commercial boost/success....
PS So?? How insane this all sounds?
Some comic relief. ;-P
What you see on this picture?
NATO "resupplying" Ukrainian soldiers with "American tech" on the Russian front?
Corn cobs, the best outhouse toilet paper in the world?
You tell me.
Have you solved the re-braining problem? Is that where AI comes in?
ps - What materials do they load into that 3D printer?
Sorry, i was expecting something much more radical. A material that functioned much as undifferentiated fetal cells do. And then you wouldn't need a "printer" to place them, you could use electric fields to indicate cell differentiation in specific locations to specific patterns (ie organs). In other words, something more "evolutionary".
\\NATO "resupplying" Ukrainian soldiers with "American tech" on the Russian front?
Thank you for honest response.
Well... you percieved that that are nato soldiers, for at least.
But what they do?
You not heard about what Mighty Russians was doing in Ukraine, isn't it? You still have some reverance toward Mighty Russian.
They was stiling toilets. That ceramic thing we all like to station our asses... one in a while.
Because THEIR toilets... is like on that picture.
So... comic payload you now understand better -- but what'd think about it?
About Mighty Russians. ;-P
\\Have you solved the re-braining problem? Is that where AI comes in?
???
\\ps - What materials do they load into that 3D printer?
Depend on the task.
Making catalog of possible and preferable material -- that is goal of that Stage 3 -- I revealed it properly, I thought. :(
\\Sorry, i was expecting something much more radical.
We all do.
But engineers need to deal with what IS... instead of dreaming about what could be -- that's what scientisats do. ;-P
\\A material that functioned much as undifferentiated fetal cells do.
That's... task for stages with higher numbers. ;-)
That's why I said that it needs brains-brains-brains.
Or you thougt that was lame bragging? To say how brainy I am, in such indirect way.
\\And then you wouldn't need a "printer" to place them, you could use electric fields to indicate cell differentiation in specific locations to specific patterns (ie organs). In other words, something more "evolutionary".
Well... go propose YOUR design, your technology.
I... do not see it possible... any such "electric fields to indicate cell differentiation in specific locations".
With CURRENT techs and CURRENT scientifical and engineering approaches...
Do you?
WHAT would generate that fields??? So fine-tined to boot?
How'd it would be protected from interference and mis-focusing?
Whom will be controlling it? By which principles?
\\NATO "resupplying" Ukrainian soldiers with "American tech" on the Russian front?
/Thank you for honest response.
Well... you percieved that that are nato soldiers, for at least.
But what they do?
You not heard about what Mighty Russians was doing in Ukraine, isn't it? You still have some reverance toward Mighty Russian.
They was stiling toilets. That ceramic thing we all like to station our asses... one in a while.
Because THEIR toilets... is like on that picture.
So... comic payload you now understand better -- but what'd think about it?
About Mighty Russians. ;-P
I think that we all like to enjoy the comforts of life.... 3 hots, a cot, and a warm place to sh*t. And it's probably hard to find the latter on a muddy battlefield, let alone the other two.
\\Have you solved the re-braining problem? Is that where AI comes in?
/???
"Ovo" turns into "something else"? Starts as a catepillar and becomes a 3D printed butterfly? Won't that need a re-braining at some point... to "forget" Ovo actions and "learn" to become a butterfly? I know, I'm probably missing something.
\\ps - What materials do they load into that 3D printer?
/Depend on the task.
Making catalog of possible and preferable material -- that is goal of that Stage 3 -- I revealed it properly, I thought. :(
You mentioned metals, but is that so that they are conductive? Or a non-conductive carbon composite? Or a composite made of fullerene and graphene? :P
\\Sorry, i was expecting something much more radical.
/We all do.
But engineers need to deal with what IS... instead of dreaming about what could be -- that's what scientisats do. ;-P
Scientists dream it, then engineers build it.
\\A material that functioned much as undifferentiated fetal cells do.
/That's... task for stages with higher numbers. ;-)
That's why I said that it needs brains-brains-brains.
Or you thougt that was lame bragging? To say how brainy I am, in such indirect way.
Humble-bragging?
\\And then you wouldn't need a "printer" to place them, you could use electric fields to indicate cell differentiation in specific locations to specific patterns (ie organs). In other words, something more "evolutionary".
/Well... go propose YOUR design, your technology.
I... do not see it possible... any such "electric fields to indicate cell differentiation in specific locations".
With CURRENT techs and CURRENT scientifical and engineering approaches...
Do you?
WHAT would generate that fields??? So fine-tined to boot?
How'd it would be protected from interference and mis-focusing?
Whom will be controlling it? By which principles?
Like brain waves firing neurons... ion channels through nanotubes with frequencies encoded with information, energy stored in graphene layers? I don't know, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what's unique in your 3D printer ideas.
\\About Mighty Russians. ;-P
\\I think that we all like to enjoy the comforts of life.... 3 hots, a cot, and a warm place to sh*t. And it's probably hard to find the latter on a muddy battlefield, let alone the other two.
You don't get it.
THIRD part of Russians STILL living the way 100 years ago they was living. Means -- NO conforts of life. Barely survival.
That's why millions of am ready to go to die.
Next THIRD living in some comfort -- of 50 years ago style -- one that USSR created for them. And they ready to continue such life, indefinitely. Because it still WAY BETTER then of first third.
And in the end... there is least THIRD... which are brainwashed with your DEMN-style propaganda -- means they UNABLE to think with own brain, only repeating propaganda...
Of liliPut... but really, the more I looking into it, the more I see it just same DEMN propaganda -- about giving your right to discern to Mighty Higherups, to "listen to me, I'm an experts", to be glued to TV and media...
\\"Ovo" turns into "something else"? Starts as a catepillar and becomes a 3D printed butterfly? Won't that need a re-braining at some point... to "forget" Ovo actions and "learn" to become a butterfly? I know, I'm probably missing something.
Yeah.
Something under you own nose. ;-)
I mean... in your own body.
Practical possibility of such "impossible" things as embrios. Artifical ones.
We -- are pinnacle of creation of Evolution. But, our (contemporary) techs UNABLE to reach that level of creation of practicly anything from mere dirt and some sunlight.
But... that level is ACHIEVABLE, isn't it? Or you think that some Hooly Spirit(s) needed for that? ;-)
Yes... we still not know how to make a bridge from here to there. But... that's exactly what my idea is -- (project of) such a bridge.
\\You mentioned metals, but is that so that they are conductive? Or a non-conductive carbon composite? Or a composite made of fullerene and graphene? :P
Whatever you can showel into 3D printer as raw material. ;-)
Well... 3D printer tech today... showed that it able to use practically ANY material.
Povdered metals. Biological tissues. Polimers. Sheer Mud. :-))))
Why there need to be some... any limitations in my tech, I dunno.
Well... basic idea to make flexible BODIES. But why not make inside that bodies some rigid parts -- like bones. Or some SPECIAL parts -- like scull, or parts to communicate with ordinary machinery? Like... USB plug. Definitely, there must be one, isn't it? ;-)
\\Scientists dream it, then engineers build it.
Yap.
But nearly without interference from that noisy eggheads.
Isn't it? ;-)
I asking... because I really dunno.
\\Humble-bragging?
I still not sure... cannot connect with anything I know. And I know little about your culture -- to discern for sure.
But looks like not.
It would be humble... if I'd for example said something like that "I standing among Nobel Prize winners... and feel myself so stoopid".
But my words... as I percieve. Could mean, that when I mentioned some need of high intellect of workers -- that I think that ordinarily they are very dumb... and I am too smart, in my own eyes.
Well, kinda like Derpy would see it. To whom anybody who know a thing, not googled on the whim -- is an idiot. Because, are, not like him. To whom DEMN propganda TOLD being ONLY wise.
That is the reason why DEMN propaganda thriving so much -- it just telling to idiots -- you are good, you are wise, and we'll continue calling you good and wise -- only... VOTE for us.
Am I have a clue? ;-)
\\WHAT would generate that fields??? So fine-tined to boot?
How'd it would be protected from interference and mis-focusing?
Whom will be controlling it? By which principles?
\\Like brain waves firing neurons... ion channels through nanotubes with frequencies encoded with information, energy stored in graphene layers?
And you have idea in your mind about how to create that "ion channels"???
In technological way?
\\ I don't know, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what's unique in your 3D printer ideas.
Systems engineering.
Look... as Lem explained... so far we have bunch of OUR, human level, human created techs.
Like masonry, and working with metals... most recent are plastic/polimers. And I.T. "information technologies".
And there is OTHER technology.
One which are inside OUR bodies -- Evoluition used techs.
I stand on that that we both agree that THAT, Evolution tec is WAY-WAY more ingenious, potent and advanced, but am I right?
So.
Same as Lem (or Drexler, or... name some other brainiac ;-P) I say -- we need to learn how to use that MORE advanced tech.
But.
We tryed. Many times already. And that tryes -- was unsuccessful.
So, now even idea about such tryes -- discredited. Like idea about AI... you know/heard what "AI winter" is?
So.
Urbi et orbi. My idea -- it's workaround. Engineer-style.
If there is NO way some egghead brainiac can envision a theory of it (many tryed... well, not that many... but still).
So then maybe SOME OTHER approach can be used.
And... as I think... I found way -- through systems engineering.
Means.
Not by cavalery raid.
But through slow but sure build up of trenches and underground passages.
To blow up that unconquerable fortress... for good. ;-)
Obviously... this way I cannot show straight and simple way of winning, this way.
How??? Like by going with bare hands and without platemail or even good shield... to go to the bridge and knoking the gate??? "Hey you, there?! Go, surrender!".
There is no such way -- any such brave one would be killed from great distance. So nobody know/remember their names...
But there was some sneakers (like Drexler).
That proposed to "outflank"... the fortress. With known results.
And many-many other such "cunning" plans. That failed even before start.
\\About Mighty Russians. ;-P
\\I think that we all like to enjoy the comforts of life.... 3 hots, a cot, and a warm place to sh*t. And it's probably hard to find the latter on a muddy battlefield, let alone the other two.
/You don't get it.
THIRD part of Russians STILL living the way 100 years ago they was living. Means -- NO conforts of life. Barely survival.
That's why millions of am ready to go to die.
Next THIRD living in some comfort -- of 50 years ago style -- one that USSR created for them. And they ready to continue such life, indefinitely. Because it still WAY BETTER then of first third.
And in the end... there is least THIRD... which are brainwashed with your DEMN-style propaganda -- means they UNABLE to think with own brain, only repeating propaganda...
Of liliPut... but really, the more I looking into it, the more I see it just same DEMN propaganda -- about giving your right to discern to Mighty Higherups, to "listen to me, I'm an experts", to be glued to TV and media...
And of the three classes you described, which would you rather be? I'd be with the rustics. Do I "get it"? Probably not in your eyes.
\\"Ovo" turns into "something else"? Starts as a catepillar and becomes a 3D printed butterfly? Won't that need a re-braining at some point... to "forget" Ovo actions and "learn" to become a butterfly? I know, I'm probably missing something.
/Yeah.
Something under you own nose. ;-)
I mean... in your own body.
Practical possibility of such "impossible" things as embrios. Artifical ones.
We -- are pinnacle of creation of Evolution. But, our (contemporary) techs UNABLE to reach that level of creation of practicly anything from mere dirt and some sunlight.
But... that level is ACHIEVABLE, isn't it? Or you think that some Hooly Spirit(s) needed for that? ;-)
Yes... we still not know how to make a bridge from here to there. But... that's exactly what my idea is -- (project of) such a bridge.
We need better math's then to deal with the complexity of the nBody problem. The butterflies wings will cause too many storms, otherwise.
\\You mentioned metals, but is that so that they are conductive? Or a non-conductive carbon composite? Or a composite made of fullerene and graphene? :P
/Whatever you can showel into 3D printer as raw material. ;-)
Well... 3D printer tech today... showed that it able to use practically ANY material.
Povdered metals. Biological tissues. Polimers. Sheer Mud. :-))))
Why there need to be some... any limitations in my tech, I dunno.
Well... basic idea to make flexible BODIES. But why not make inside that bodies some rigid parts -- like bones. Or some SPECIAL parts -- like scull, or parts to communicate with ordinary machinery? Like... USB plug. Definitely, there must be one, isn't it? ;-)
If only it could be that easy.... :(
f saying, "I'm no better than you."
\\Scientists dream it, then engineers build it.
/Yap.
But nearly without interference from that noisy eggheads.
Isn't it? ;-)
I asking... because I really dunno.
No, the Principal Investigator (PI)/ Scientist is officially in charge and monitors the Engineers progress, periodically reviews and accepts/ rejects the Engineers proposed solutions at major Design Reviews (PDR/CDR/SIR). Like on the ACE mission, we all ultimately reported to Ed Stone, not as Director of JPL, but as our mission PI.
\\Humble-bragging?
/I still not sure... cannot connect with anything I know. And I know little about your culture -- to discern for sure.
But looks like not.
It would be humble... if I'd for example said something like that "I standing among Nobel Prize winners... and feel myself so stoopid".
But my words... as I percieve. Could mean, that when I mentioned some need of high intellect of workers -- that I think that ordinarily they are very dumb... and I am too smart, in my own eyes.
Well, kinda like Derpy would see it. To whom anybody who know a thing, not googled on the whim -- is an idiot. Because, are, not like him. To whom DEMN propganda TOLD being ONLY wise.
That is the reason why DEMN propaganda thriving so much -- it just telling to idiots -- you are good, you are wise, and we'll continue calling you good and wise -- only... VOTE for us.
Am I have a clue? ;-)
You do. It's like virtue signalling, but with "humility" (what Dem's lack). Self-deprecating way o
\\WHAT would generate that fields??? So fine-tined to boot?
How'd it would be protected from interference and mis-focusing?
Whom will be controlling it? By which principles?
All good questions. But then I'd have to have cracked the "human consciousness" problem. Different brain waves. The higher the frequency, the higher the alert and directed consciousness.
\\Like brain waves firing neurons... ion channels through nanotubes with frequencies encoded with information, energy stored in graphene layers?
/And you have idea in your mind about how to create that "ion channels"???
In technological way?
Carbon nanotubes? A different kind of 3D printer.... atomic level scale.
\\ I don't know, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what's unique in your 3D printer ideas.
/Systems engineering.
Look... as Lem explained... so far we have bunch of OUR, human level, human created techs.
Like masonry, and working with metals... most recent are plastic/polimers. And I.T. "information technologies".
And there is OTHER technology.
One which are inside OUR bodies -- Evoluition used techs.
I stand on that that we both agree that THAT, Evolution tec is WAY-WAY more ingenious, potent and advanced, but am I right?
So.
Same as Lem (or Drexler, or... name some other brainiac ;-P) I say -- we need to learn how to use that MORE advanced tech.
But.
We tryed. Many times already. And that tryes -- was unsuccessful.
So, now even idea about such tryes -- discredited. Like idea about AI... you know/heard what "AI winter" is?
So.
Urbi et orbi. My idea -- it's workaround. Engineer-style.
If there is NO way some egghead brainiac can envision a theory of it (many tryed... well, not that many... but still).
So then maybe SOME OTHER approach can be used.
And... as I think... I found way -- through systems engineering.
Means.
Not by cavalery raid.
But through slow but sure build up of trenches and underground passages.
To blow up that unconquerable fortress... for good. ;-)
Obviously... this way I cannot show straight and simple way of winning, this way.
How??? Like by going with bare hands and without platemail or even good shield... to go to the bridge and knoking the gate??? "Hey you, there?! Go, surrender!".
There is no such way -- any such brave one would be killed from great distance. So nobody know/remember their names...
But there was some sneakers (like Drexler).
That proposed to "outflank"... the fortress. With known results.
And many-many other such "cunning" plans. That failed even before start.
It will always be the EVO winter so long as the "Global Warmists" control the narrative. It's why you need a great story. Cuz Chicken Little is getting all the current attention... "The Earth is warming, the Earth is warming!!!!!"
\\And of the three classes you described, which would you rather be? I'd be with the rustics. Do I "get it"? Probably not in your eyes.
That's NOT classes. Great Socialistic Revolution... remember?
All classes was destroyed. And blended into one -- soviet people.
That split (figural, because in reality it pyramidal and more smooth) in regards to Trickled Down money from selling oil to "burgious"...
Well... you are free to look at the pictures of russian village.
And even for today, you are free to go there... with hope that FSB will not decide to use you as hostage.
It's very easy to like Noble Savage and dream about Natural Untainted by Civilization life. ;-P From AFAR.
\\We need better math's then to deal with the complexity of the nBody problem. The butterflies wings will cause too many storms, otherwise.
We already know ENOUGH Statistics.
And we even have ML (Machine Learning) now.
\\If only it could be that easy.... :(
f saying, "I'm no better than you."
Misplaced comment?
Otherwise, I cannot connect dots... here again. :-(
\\No, the Principal Investigator (PI)/ Scientist is officially in charge and monitors the Engineers progress,
Then... meaning of "being scientists" differs in our cultures...
\\You do. It's like virtue signalling, but with "humility" (what Dem's lack). Self-deprecating way o
Why they should???
When their DEMN Masters freed em from that figment of having shame. ;-P
As Derpy admitted lately.
\\All good questions. But then I'd have to have cracked the "human consciousness" problem. Different brain waves. The higher the frequency, the higher the alert and directed consciousness.
Smaller computer cannot "understand" bigger one.
Or even itself.
Go look some YouTube about Blue Brain Project -- that is NOT something one can "contain" in one's brain.
\\Carbon nanotubes? A different kind of 3D printer.... atomic level scale.
I'd like to go directly into Nanotech Paradise too.
But... do you know the road there? ;-)
That's it.
Or... do you propose to do that with Atomic Force Microscope?
And spend next millennia producing grain of salt sized "marvel"??? :-))))
\\It will always be the EVO winter so long as the "Global Warmists" control the narrative. It's why you need a great story.
Great stories can listen only great minds.
(Lem's Tale of machines for telling stories)
Or... you need to make em in a form of feirytales... but, that's what Lem did, already. ;-)
\\And of the three classes you described, which would you rather be? I'd be with the rustics. Do I "get it"? Probably not in your eyes.
/That's NOT classes. Great Socialistic Revolution... remember?
All classes was destroyed. And blended into one -- soviet people.
That split (figural, because in reality it pyramidal and more smooth) in regards to Trickled Down money from selling oil to "burgious"...
Well... you are free to look at the pictures of russian village.
And even for today, you are free to go there... with hope that FSB will not decide to use you as hostage.
It's very easy to like Noble Savage and dream about Natural Untainted by Civilization life. ;-P From AFAR.
Is it? When I was a small boy, I spent summers on my uncle's farm in Iowa. The house had a hand water pump in the side yard. An outhouse like the one carried in the cartoon. We had electricity, but we took baths in a large tub in the basement. We took them "serially" based upon how dirty we were (dirtiest last). We had no A/C, it was hot and humid. I worked all day in the fields, and as a "reward", my uncle would take us to the "tasty Freeze" for an icecream, or "Putt-Putt Miniature Golf" to play for an hour before bed. It made us "antifragile". There was no time for television. Maybe just some radio after dinner. If we wanted a "spectacle" we went to the movie theatre. Today, we can still find that kind of life in Alaska. It's our "final frontier". My sister lives in Kodiak.
\\We need better math's then to deal with the complexity of the nBody problem. The butterflies wings will cause too many storms, otherwise.
/We already know ENOUGH Statistics.
And we even have ML (Machine Learning) now.non-linear differential equations? Newton and Liebnitz independently discovered Calculus. How far would our science have gotten without them? Without Hamilton's quaternions? One can most certainly say, "not so far as we have".
\\If only it could be that easy.... :(
f saying, "I'm no better than you."
/Misplaced comment?
Otherwise, I cannot connect dots... here again. :-(
Maybe. the I'm no better than you was parts of humblebrag example. Sorry. Must have screwed it up when I posted from Notepad to Blogger Comment form. I forget now. Sorry.
\\No, the Principal Investigator (PI)/ Scientist is officially in charge and monitors the Engineers progress,
/Then... meaning of "being scientists" differs in our cultures...
Nope. Projects and PIs have "Project Managers" who work for them. But the PI/ Scientist controls the money, and is ultimately responsible for meeting the objectives outlined in an Agency approved Science Requirements Document (SRD). The PI also has a Science Team who's members consult, advise, and recommend. The SRD is then decomposed into a System Requirements Document, that is commited to a System Architecture and further broken down into Level 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 subsystems based upon a Work Breakdown Structure (WBS). Ground Systems, Flight Systems, facilities, Ground Support Equipment, etc. It's a very structured and formal process. If a tech hurdle arises, the PI also has the authority to modify or clarify science requirments, or break the science requirements into goals into essential or targetted outcomes.
\\You do. It's like virtue signalling, but with "humility" (what Dem's lack). Self-deprecating way o
Why they should???
/When their DEMN Masters freed em from that figment of having shame. ;-P
As Derpy admitted lately.
Self depracating way o...f saying, "I'm no better than you." (rest of sentence from above)
We do like spoiling their echo chambers.... and so their sites are always in moderation and censoring comments.
\\All good questions. But then I'd have to have cracked the "human consciousness" problem. Different brain waves. The higher the frequency, the higher the alert and directed consciousness.
/Smaller computer cannot "understand" bigger one.
Or even itself.
Go look some YouTube about Blue Brain Project -- that is NOT something one can "contain" in one's brain.
I've heard of it, but am not familiar with it.
\\Carbon nanotubes? A different kind of 3D printer.... atomic level scale.
/I'd like to go directly into Nanotech Paradise too.
But... do you know the road there? ;-)
That's it.
Or... do you propose to do that with Atomic Force Microscope?
And spend next millennia producing grain of salt sized "marvel"??? :-))))
No, I'd propose to make a mechanical "cell" that was capable of self-replication and building whatever cell "structures" it needed through a self-organizing "system" of similarly equipped "cells". It would then send out "nanotubes" to connect with these other cells and exchange both info and building materials (like neurons and blood vessels do). Other cells would collect and dispose of waste materials, etc... like the insulating Myelin sheaths on axons, etc.
\\It will always be the EVO winter so long as the "Global Warmists" control the narrative. It's why you need a great story.
/Great stories can listen only great minds.
(Lem's Tale of machines for telling stories)
Or... you need to make em in a form of feirytales... but, that's what Lem did, already. ;-)
They inspired you, didn't they? Maybe you should organize/ recruit brains at a Lem convention...
ps - remember the Lem story where the guy is trapped in the house and all these black spots keep multiplying, and multiplying, until they burst the house... (was in that Library book I read "Truth and other stories"... I think the story was called "Darkness and Mildew")
Cells. Now just allow them to organize into larger bodies/organs... like mildew.
\\Is it? When I was a small boy, I spent summers on my uncle's farm in Iowa.
I shared with you that I have similar experience.
Have it even today.
Maybe you need to try that life... even if for a little. To renew your experience?
But I must warn you -- in later days it is not like in childhood....
\\I worked all day in the fields, and as a "reward", my uncle would take us to the "tasty Freeze" for an icecream,
You... have had it fancy. ;-P
Best sweets I did have -- early green peas. Directly from field. ;-P
So... how it to you? Is my bet is closer to Noble Savage life? ;-)
\\Newton and Liebnitz independently discovered Calculus. How far would our science have gotten without them? Without Hamilton's quaternions? One can most certainly say, "not so far as we have".
Sometimes. Well, most of the times Math going far ahead.
But, also, Physics stirred by Tehnological Progress taking lead.
That is... tango. ;-)
Or you thought that I trying to dismiss math? Or what?
\\Must have screwed it up when I posted from Notepad to Blogger Comment form. I forget now. Sorry.
That's... techniclities. No need to bother yourself with saying sorry.
I myself too guilty -- all that typos and cranky English, :-(((
But, can propose Notepad++ -- best neat and small gadget for programmer I know.
\\Nope. Projects and PIs have "Project Managers" who work for them.
So, they are managers with scientific degree? Like Opengaimer.
Well... my problem is exactly that.
Like in that piece ;-P
Like with that Einstain's Letter... it was sent, and then we know that Manhattan Project started -- but what was IN BETWEEN?? What "magic" worked there?
From common sense it can be devised -- that that letter, after comming to WH... then was redirected to some scientific adviser... like Oppenheimer, or just him?
And... what was going in the brain of that adviser? He said something "Yes, that is possible"? Percieved a chance for himself? Or was somewhat jeloused, that NOT HIM gave such suggestion... HIS such suggestion -- would NEVER be listened???
Or... like with other examples. One from which all modern elecronics started -- when some aprentis from Shokli's laboratory came to some New Money mogul... with his idea that he can make substitute for lamps -- what was in head of that mogul??? How he decided that it is not waste of time, money?
Or... more recent. Our time. "Pirates of Silicon Valley" that came to Xerox PARC... and saw the Future there.
Future, which they only need to smaggle to all other people... from secluded hermits eggheads. ;-P
Only one pattern that repeats itself -- that there is NO pattern -- of how to make Progress happen.
One just need to continue tryes...
\\ But the PI/ Scientist controls the money, and is ultimately responsible for meeting the objectives outlined in an Agency approved Science Requirements Document (SRD).
Yap.
Goal function.
\\It's a very structured and formal process.
Yap.
Because ot long as established.
\\We do like spoiling their echo chambers.... and so their sites are always in moderation and censoring comments.
Naaah.
That's not WE.
That's Reality doing.
I gave myself such task -- and observed em without interference -- inside their group they start to bite each other too.
As inside any other religious group.
For showing not enough piety. Not singing in unison enough.
Yawn.
\\I've heard of it, but am not familiar with it.
Well... that would be somewhat meaningful waste of your time watching YouTube. ;-)
\\No, I'd propose to make a mechanical "cell" that was capable of self-replication and building whatever cell "structures" it needed through a self-organizing "system" of similarly equipped "cells".
Go ahead.
Who am I to talk you out from it.
\\ It would then send out "nanotubes" to connect with these other cells and exchange both info and building materials (like neurons and blood vessels do). Other cells would collect and dispose of waste materials, etc... like the insulating Myelin sheaths on axons, etc.
You didn't read Drexler's "Engines of Creation", isn't it?
That's exactly his schema.
\\They inspired you, didn't they? Maybe you should organize/ recruit brains at a Lem convention...
Same as you Ancient Greeks. ;-)
So what?
Ancient wisdom grows inprecise and even outdated... with time.
Need to find your own clues -- isn't that what defines adult? ;-)
\\Cells. Now just allow them to organize into larger bodies/organs... like mildew.
All question is. HOW???
And that need to be technologically stable way -- appliable in different environments and under different circumstances.
Evolution DID IT through milenias of experiments.
How you want to achieve it -- purely theoreticly???
\\Is it? When I was a small boy, I spent summers on my uncle's farm in Iowa.
/I shared with you that I have similar experience.
Have it even today.
Maybe you need to try that life... even if for a little. To renew your experience?
But I must warn you -- in later days it is not like in childhood....
It's how man has always lived, until recently (last 100 years). I likely will experience it again, although I'm admittedly not anxious for it.
\\I worked all day in the fields, and as a "reward", my uncle would take us to the "tasty Freeze" for an icecream,
/You... have had it fancy. ;-P
Best sweets I did have -- early green peas. Directly from field. ;-P
So... how it to you? Is my bet is closer to Noble Savage life? ;-)
Indeed it is. Many Americans have only known getting their food from a Supermarket in nice clean packages. They've never killed their own food. They've never slaughtered a chicken, pig, or hunted a grouse, quail, rabbit, squirrel, deer or wild pig. I have. I imagine that you have, too.
\\Newton and Liebnitz independently discovered Calculus. How far would our science have gotten without them? Without Hamilton's quaternions? One can most certainly say, "not so far as we have".
/Sometimes. Well, most of the times Math going far ahead.
But, also, Physics stirred by Tehnological Progress taking lead.
That is... tango. ;-)
Or you thought that I trying to dismiss math? Or what?
Artificial intelligence will need something to work with. Will it be able to develop it, itself? Perhaps one day, but not today. Perhaps a math for each space... Cells solve problems in physiological, metabolic, and gene expression (transcriptional) spaces. Our math is primarily dedicated to solving problems in Spacetime.
\\Must have screwed it up when I posted from Notepad to Blogger Comment form. I forget now. Sorry.
/That's... techniclities. No need to bother yourself with saying sorry.
I myself too guilty -- all that typos and cranky English, :-(((
But, can propose Notepad++ -- best neat and small gadget for programmer I know.
I just use the Notepad that comes with Windows. I'm comfortable with it. It's "simple".
\\Nope. Projects and PIs have "Project Managers" who work for them.
/So, they are managers with scientific degree? Like Opengaimer.
Well... my problem is exactly that.
Like in that piece ;-P
Like with that Einstain's Letter... it was sent, and then we know that Manhattan Project started -- but what was IN BETWEEN?? What "magic" worked there?
Presidents all have advisory panels, like a Science Advisory Panel or lead by the National Academy of Sciences. These panels input to the Executive branch budgetary committees of numerous government departments, DOD, NASA, HHS, etc. and get funded and approved in the Congressional Budget. A competition is then solicited (or directed to a specific researcher if too specialised or classified) and Request for Proposals or Announcements of Opportunities are advertised and industries and government organizations respond to them (the PIs in this case). They are then reviewed and winner selected. And so the PI has his money and authority to complete the project.
/From common sense it can be devised -- that that letter, after comming to WH... then was redirected to some scientific adviser... like Oppenheimer, or just him?
And... what was going in the brain of that adviser? He said something "Yes, that is possible"? Percieved a chance for himself? Or was somewhat jeloused, that NOT HIM gave such suggestion... HIS such suggestion -- would NEVER be listened???
Or... like with other examples. One from which all modern elecronics started -- when some aprentis from Shokli's laboratory came to some New Money mogul... with his idea that he can make substitute for lamps -- what was in head of that mogul??? How he decided that it is not waste of time, money?
Or... more recent. Our time. "Pirates of Silicon Valley" that came to Xerox PARC... and saw the Future there.
Future, which they only need to smaggle to all other people... from secluded hermits eggheads. ;-P
Only one pattern that repeats itself -- that there is NO pattern -- of how to make Progress happen.
One just need to continue tryes...
Ideas come from many places. Most government (DOE/DOD) agencies have labs and NASA has Centers, corporations have labs, Independent Research and Development (IRAD) Grants are freely distributed at corporations and universities... ideas are solicited through Requests for Information (RFIs), etc.
\\ But the PI/ Scientist controls the money, and is ultimately responsible for meeting the objectives outlined in an Agency approved Science Requirements Document (SRD).
/Yap.
Goal function.
Many grants are given with only a "best effort" expectation. Success isn't always guaranteed, and project cancellation is always in the offing if technical progress Technology Readiness Level (TRL) 1-9 gates (NASA specific terminology) not achieved.
\\It's a very structured and formal process.
/Yap.
Because ot long as established.
Bureaucracy.
\\We do like spoiling their echo chambers.... and so their sites are always in moderation and censoring comments.
/Naaah.
That's not WE.
That's Reality doing.
I gave myself such task -- and observed em without interference -- inside their group they start to bite each other too.
As inside any other religious group.
For showing not enough piety. Not singing in unison enough.
Yawn.
It is always easier to manage enemies than friends. You can deal "roughly" with them. Friends must be dealt with "gently".
\\I've heard of it, but am not familiar with it.
/Well... that would be somewhat meaningful waste of your time watching YouTube. ;-)
Time isn't in short supply.
\\No, I'd propose to make a mechanical "cell" that was capable of self-replication and building whatever cell "structures" it needed through a self-organizing "system" of similarly equipped "cells".
/Go ahead.
Who am I to talk you out from it.
\\ It would then send out "nanotubes" to connect with these other cells and exchange both info and building materials (like neurons and blood vessels do). Other cells would collect and dispose of waste materials, etc... like the insulating Myelin sheaths on axons, etc.
/You didn't read Drexler's "Engines of Creation", isn't it?
That's exactly his schema.
Nope. Never read it. Just mirroring Nature.
\\They inspired you, didn't they? Maybe you should organize/ recruit brains at a Lem convention...
/Same as you Ancient Greeks. ;-)
So what?
Ancient wisdom grows inprecise and even outdated... with time.
Need to find your own clues -- isn't that what defines adult? ;-)
Ancient wisdom is also varied and often self-contradictory (paradoxical). So I don't just study the ancients. Zizek and Han are still alive.
\\Cells. Now just allow them to organize into larger bodies/organs... like mildew.
/All question is. HOW???
And that need to be technologically stable way -- appliable in different environments and under different circumstances.
Evolution DID IT through milenias of experiments.
How you want to achieve it -- purely theoreticly???
What's wrong with the thought experiments of Theoretical Physics? They led to many of Einsteins greatest ideas (in "Theoretical Physics") once he translated them into his "maths" to be proven/ disproven by the "Applied Physicists" and Engineers.
\\Artificial intelligence will need something to work with.
Depends on what you call AI.
\\Will it be able to develop it, itself?
Can WE develop ourself???
In a hindsight -- isn't that is that stumbling stone that present in our talks all of the time? ;-)
\\Cells solve problems in physiological, metabolic, and gene expression (transcriptional) spaces.
They do not.
"Solving problems" subcepting agency. They -- have NONE.
Same as stone rolling downhill.
It can demonstrate making a CHOICEs even -- when stumbled on other stones/tree trunks.
UNCERTAINTY... while rolling by some grass/mud.
\\Our math is primarily dedicated to solving problems in Spacetime.
Hmmmm...
Like Theory of Numbers? ;-)
Or some popular today Category Theory?
\\I just use the Notepad that comes with Windows. I'm comfortable with it. It's "simple".
Console file pipes are even more simple. ;-)
Or... "butterfly's wing swing changing currents in a troposphere".
\\They are then reviewed and winner selected. And so the PI has his money and authority to complete the project.
Not for unusual ideas. ;-P
\\Bureaucracy.
...like something bad.
\\It is always easier to manage enemies than friends. You can deal "roughly" with them. Friends must be dealt with "gently".
Hah.
And yet one time.
Hah.
What friends???
That Knee-jerkers??? ;-))))))
Well... they may think that... itself.
\\Time isn't in short supply.
Until Entropy Death of Universe?
\\Nope. Never read it. Just mirroring Nature.
Hardly.
You description do not look like embriogenesis. At all.
\\Ancient wisdom is also varied and often self-contradictory (paradoxical). So I don't just study the ancients. Zizek and Han are still alive.
Well... you know my opinion on their behalf already...
\\What's wrong with the thought experiments of Theoretical Physics? They led to many of Einsteins greatest ideas (in "Theoretical Physics") once he translated them into his "maths" to be proven/ disproven by the "Applied Physicists" and Engineers.
Number of cases Human can explore in such experiments.
Do you have couple billions of Einsteins in your possession? ;-)
\\Artificial intelligence will need something to work with.
/Depends on what you call AI.
touche!
\\Will it be able to develop it, itself?
/Can WE develop ourself???
In a hindsight -- isn't that is that stumbling stone that present in our talks all of the time? ;-)
Do we have the "will"? As for me, I'm mostly "representation" (a bag of symbols). As you can see, I'm always working towards filling (or occassionally emptying ;) ) my bag. A pathetic, castrated, and largely impotent AI. Like the "mentat's" of Franbk Herbert's "Dune". I cannot even "fold space" like a guild navigator. I can only ingest the spice melange and "calculate'.
\\Cells solve problems in physiological, metabolic, and gene expression (transcriptional) spaces.
/They do not.
"Solving problems" subcepting agency. They -- have NONE.
Same as stone rolling downhill.
It can demonstrate making a CHOICEs even -- when stumbled on other stones/tree trunks.
UNCERTAINTY... while rolling by some grass/mud.
They have agency. They seek to NOT to reach a state of chemical equilibrium just as we do. You seem to be under the impression that we have "free will", and that all our own "choices" are not "fixed" ones. That we can order "off-menu" whenever we want, and still "persist" in "life". No, many such choices lead to death (a state of chemical equilibrium). Their "choices" are merely in different "spaces". Physiological, metabolic, and gene expression (transcriptional) spaces. Different "choices". Cooperate with the Group (become an organ), or try and live alone (Cancer). Different "problems to solve". That's my story anyways. And so far, I'm sticking with it.
\\Our math is primarily dedicated to solving problems in Spacetime.
/Hmmmm...
Like Theory of Numbers? ;-)
Or some popular today Category Theory?
You tell me. The Greeks never had the "zero". They only worked with "units". The Moors had to wait for the Indians to add the zero before they could develop Al Gebra.
\\I just use the Notepad that comes with Windows. I'm comfortable with it. It's "simple".
/Console file pipes are even more simple. ;-)
Or... "butterfly's wing swing changing currents in a troposphere".
I struggled with Calculus. It was much too confusing.
\\They are then reviewed and winner selected. And so the PI has his money and authority to complete the project.
/Not for unusual ideas. ;-P
That's what MacArthur 'Genius' Grants and Nobel Prizes are for. Independent research. For people with "proven" or even "great demonstrated potential" for making breakthroughs. Like Patricia Churchland. "Here's a bag of money... do whatever you want with it."
\\Bureaucracy.
/...like something bad.
It is for breaking out of existing paradigms. It's a force of "resistance" to both the breakthrough and transition to the new paradigm. Something that must be "overcome"... rice bowls overturned. Something that must be destroyed/ sacrificed to the new creation.
\\It is always easier to manage enemies than friends. You can deal "roughly" with them. Friends must be dealt with "gently".
/Hah.
And yet one time.
Hah.
What friends???
That Knee-jerkers??? ;-))))))
Well... they may think that... itself.
Everone (almost), even a genius, wants to be "seen". I am more like the serial killer in Black Birds. There is no "Big Other" for me to perform for. So a "General Peer" will have to do. :)
\\Time isn't in short supply.
/Until Entropy Death of Universe?
NMP
\\Nope. Never read it. Just mirroring Nature.
/Hardly.
You description do not look like embriogenesis. At all.
But is is the inspiration.
\\Ancient wisdom is also varied and often self-contradictory (paradoxical). So I don't just study the ancients. Zizek and Han are still alive.
/Well... you know my opinion on their behalf already...
They sure saved me a lot of "hard thinking".
\\What's wrong with the thought experiments of Theoretical Physics? They led to many of Einsteins greatest ideas (in "Theoretical Physics") once he translated them into his "maths" to be proven/ disproven by the "Applied Physicists" and Engineers.
/Number of cases Human can explore in such experiments.
Do you have couple billions of Einsteins in your possession? ;-)
Nope. I don't have many Newton's or Leibnitz's or Franklin's either. There may only 10,000 - 100,000 of them in the world.
\\Will it be able to develop it, itself?
/Can WE develop ourself???
In a hindsight -- isn't that is that stumbling stone that present in our talks all of the time? ;-)
\\Do we have the "will"? As for me, I'm mostly "representation" (a bag of symbols).
Like it can stop me.
Why that stopping you -- I dunno.
\\ Like the "mentat's" of Franbk Herbert's "Dune".
They are just a mnemonics.
\\ I cannot even "fold space" like a guild navigator.
Not enough "spice" consumed. Obviously. ;-)
\\Same as stone rolling downhill.
It can demonstrate making a CHOICEs even -- when stumbled on other stones/tree trunks.
UNCERTAINTY... while rolling by some grass/mud.
\\They have agency.
If you'd call it that way...
\\They seek to NOT to reach a state of chemical equilibrium just as we do.
Naaah.
That's just a different feedback loops intertwining.
Non-linear Physics -- Synergetics.
\\You seem to be under the impression that we have "free will", and that all our own "choices" are not "fixed" ones.
That... doesn't matter. For my case.
Evolution CAN do it -- then I can do it too.
\\That's what MacArthur 'Genius' Grants and Nobel Prizes are for. Independent research. For people with "proven" or even "great demonstrated potential" for making breakthroughs. Like Patricia Churchland. "Here's a bag of money... do whatever you want with it."
Hah.
\\
\\Bureaucracy.
/...like something bad.
\\It is for breaking out of existing paradigms.
Actually. It's orthogonal.
\\It's a force of "resistance" to both the breakthrough and transition to the new paradigm.
And that's... just Inertia.
\\They sure saved me a lot of "hard thinking".
You think that thinking is hard? And not a sheer (and only) pleasure?
Cogito ergo sum, not for you?
\\Nope. I don't have many Newton's or Leibnitz's or Franklin's either. There may only 10,000 - 100,000 of them in the world.
But there lots of savants... so maybe we need to throw all computers out of a window... and use em for calculations?
\\Will it be able to develop it, itself?
/Can WE develop ourself???
In a hindsight -- isn't that is that stumbling stone that present in our talks all of the time? ;-)
\\Do we have the "will"? As for me, I'm mostly "representation" (a bag of symbols).
/Like it can stop me.
Why that stopping you -- I dunno.
Haven't the "will".
\\ Like the "mentat's" of Franbk Herbert's "Dune".
/They are just a mnemonics.
\\ I cannot even "fold space" like a guild navigator.
Not enough "spice" consumed. Obviously. ;-)
Obviously.
\\Same as stone rolling downhill.
It can demonstrate making a CHOICEs even -- when stumbled on other stones/tree trunks.
UNCERTAINTY... while rolling by some grass/mud.
Plato's 10 forms of motion from Jowett summary of "Laws"...
Shall I put the question to myself in this form?—Are all things at rest, and is nothing in motion? or are some things in motion, and some things at rest? 'The latter.' And do they move and rest, some in one place, some in more? 'Yes.' There may be (1) motion in the same place, as in revolution on an axis, which is imparted swiftly to the larger and slowly to the lesser circle; and there may be motion in different places, having sometimes (2) one centre of motion and sometimes (3) more. (4) When bodies in motion come against other bodies which are at rest, they are divided by them, and (5) when they are caught between other bodies coming from opposite directions they unite with them; and (6) they grow by union and (7) waste by dissolution while their constitution remains the same, but are (8) destroyed when their constitution fails. There is a growth from one dimension to two, and from a second to a third, which then becomes perceptible to sense; this process is called generation, and the opposite, destruction. We have now enumerated all possible motions with the exception of two. 'What are they?' Just the two with which our enquiry is concerned; for our enquiry relates to the soul. There is one kind of motion which is only able to move other things; there is another which can move itself as well, working in composition and decomposition, by increase and diminution, by generation and destruction. 'Granted.' (9) That which moves and is moved by another is the ninth kind of motion; (10) that which is self-moved and moves others is the tenth. And this tenth kind of motion is the mightiest, and is really the first, and is followed by that which was improperly called the ninth. 'How do you mean?' Must not that which is moved by others finally depend upon that which is moved by itself? Nothing can be affected by any transition prior to self-motion. Then the first and eldest principle of motion, whether in things at rest or not at rest, will be the principle of self-motion; and that which is moved by others and can move others will be the second. 'True.' Let me ask another question:
What is the name which is given to self-motion when manifested in any material substance? 'Life.' And soul too is life? 'Very good.' And are there not three kinds of knowledge—a knowledge (1) of the essence, (2) of the definition, (3) of the name? And sometimes the name leads us to ask the definition, sometimes the definition to ask the name. For example, number can be divided into equal parts, and when thus divided is termed even, and the definition of even and the word 'even' refer to the same thing. 'Very true.' And what is the definition of the thing which is named 'soul'? Must we not reply, 'The self-moved'? And have we not proved that the self-moved is the source of motion in other things? 'Yes.' And the motion which is not self-moved will be inferior to this? 'True.'
Is a cell self-moved, or does it move by others?
\\They have agency.
/If you'd call it that way...
Does a cancer cell have agency to stop cooperating with the rest of a body and focus on "self-replication"?
\\They seek to NOT to reach a state of chemical equilibrium just as we do.
/Naaah.
That's just a different feedback loops intertwining.
Non-linear Physics -- Synergetics.
Are humans and human societies just synergetics?
\\You seem to be under the impression that we have "free will", and that all our own "choices" are not "fixed" ones.
/That... doesn't matter. For my case.
Evolution CAN do it -- then I can do it too.
Is evolution selecting from fixed options, or inventing new ones? I would suggest that the "options" are in the DNA... to adapt... or die to a new environment.
\\That's what MacArthur 'Genius' Grants and Nobel Prizes are for. Independent research. For people with "proven" or even "great demonstrated potential" for making breakthroughs. Like Patricia Churchland. "Here's a bag of money... do whatever you want with it."
/Hah.
Go earn a Nobel...
\\Bureaucracy.
/...like something bad.
\\It is for breaking out of existing paradigms.
/Actually. It's orthogonal.
That makes it easy? Ever try turning a 200,000 DWT tanker? You don't just put the rudder at a 90 degree angle.
\\It's a force of "resistance" to both the breakthrough and transition to the new paradigm.
/And that's... just Inertia.
I refer you to my previous example.
\\They sure saved me a lot of "hard thinking".
/You think that thinking is hard? And not a sheer (and only) pleasure?
Cogito ergo sum, not for you?
It can be. As an organism, we try and minimize our calorie expenses... and mind is 20% of them. We don't wish to reach chemical equilibrium.
\\Nope. I don't have many Newton's or Leibnitz's or Franklin's either. There may only 10,000 - 100,000 of them in the world.
/But there lots of savants... so maybe we need to throw all computers out of a window... and use em for calculations?
There are millions of them?
\\Haven't the "will".
I can propose only what helps me.
Some fresh air. And thoughtful breathing exercises.
We need to learn how ti USE our bodies too.
\\Plato's 10 forms of motion from Jowett summary of "Laws"...
Well.
I see.
We need to throw out of a window Einstain.
And Newton too.
And all way down of throwing out... until there is no windows available. ;-)
\\Haven't the "will".
/I can propose only what helps me.
Some fresh air. And thoughtful breathing exercises.
We need to learn how ti USE our bodies too.
Maybe take a few walks. Like Nietzsche.
\\Plato's 10 forms of motion from Jowett summary of "Laws"...
/Well.
I see.
We need to throw out of a window Einstain.
And Newton too.
And all way down of throwing out... until there is no windows available. ;-)
There might be one in Florence...
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