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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Friday, January 19, 2024

Happy Birthday, Edgar!

"I could not love except where Death 
Was mingling his with Beauty's breath -"
- EA Poe, "Romance" (1831)

EA Poe, "The Valley of Unrest" (vE - 1845)

Once it smiled a silent dell
Where the people did not dwell;
They had gone unto the wars,
Trusting to the mild-eyed stars,
Nightly, from their azure towers,
To keep watch above the flowers,
In the midst of which all day
The red sun-light lazily lay.

Now each visitor shall confess
The sad valley’s restlessness.

Nothing there is motionless—
Nothing save the airs that brood
Over the magic solitude.

Ah, by no wind are stirred those trees
That palpitate like the chill seas
Around the misty Hebrides!

Ah, by no wind those clouds are driven
That rustle through the unquiet Heaven
Uneasily, from morn till even,
Over the violets there that lie
In myriad types of the human eye—
Over the lilies there that wave
And weep above a nameless grave!

They wave:—from out their fragrant tops
External dews come down in drops.

They weep:—from off their delicate stems
Perennial tears descend in gems.

----

"My draught of passion hath been deep —
I revell'd, and I now would sleep —"

-EA Poe, "Romance" (1831)

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

No. I can't.

Most important part of poetry -- allusions.

Are not penetrable for me.

:-(((

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You don't get it. You can't just read a poem like you read a post. Once. Or twice. Or 3 times. You have to keep reading it until the allusions become singularly fixed. My first few impressions completely change on the first few readings... until I've grasped the "whole" and then I can relate to each "part". The 1st and last "Romantic" quotes from Poe should clue you in. Beauty and Death. Motion and Stillness of the wind.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Why do people bring flowers to cemetaries?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

To mourn our dead?

Anonymous said...

\\Why do people bring flowers to cemetaries?

Not in all cultures. Not in same sense. Not to all people. :-(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

True... but want to know what is common?

from Wiki:

The Valley of Unrest is about a once peaceful valley, but war breaks out in the valley and it changes from a peaceful valley, to ruins of a war zone. The valley is in a state of "unrest" because the state of the valley is not of a naturally occurring event, but of one only humans can cause.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ukraine is the "current" Valley of Unrest.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Whatever beauty it once nourished...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...will take decades to recover.

Anonymous said...

Hah... you think Soviet Union was able to produce ANY "beauty"??? %)

Well, you can point to one... if you'd find it?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Solzhenitsyn.

I read it all. Humanity "adapts". Even to the most horrible circumstances. There is beauty in the Russian people.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and I hate to see it getting buried in the soils of Ukraine.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

\\There is beauty in the Russian people.

Yeah... until they come to you... to bomb out your house... to kill your parents... to enslave your children... and to fuck your dog. %)

You demonstrating nothing new here. It was... previously.

Romantic feelings about "beauty of German people", until...



\\...and I hate to see it getting buried in the soils of Ukraine.

I also... do not want em dead... too easy. :-/





-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I never meant to imply that everything human is beautiful. But as for potential? Yeah, there's beauty in that.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and what is beauty, but a "feeling"? (Kant, "Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and the Sublime").

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Fight/Flight... or Stay/Play.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Do AI/ computers ever get those feelings?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Rhetorical question.

Anonymous said...

Hah... not that much.

Spamfilter reacted to it -- my answer, and swallowed. :-)))))

Anonymous said...

Might be something meaningful was in it... ;-)

Anonymous said...

How do you like it??? ;-)

I tried to google for clue about that idiom. About "roooope long enough to haaaang oneself"... and Goggle proposed to me telephone number of Suuicide Prevention office.

Isn't it SWE-E-E-ET? And caring? :-))))))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yeah, I did a YouTube search on ANCAP (anarcho capitalism) the other day. All it would return were ANTI-ANCAP videos. All the funny old "throw commies out of helicopters" ones were gone.

Pretty soon the internet's going to be useless.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Algorithmic tyranny. Some dare call it "progress".

Anonymous said...

Well... try Bing.

They not "improved" it that way... yet.

Or some other search engine. ;-)

Plurality, you know.

For everyone to find own tree,,, you know what for. ;-P

Anonymous said...

Well... sorry if my taste of humor will wrong you somehow.

But I think it funny... for anarchist to rely on government/big-corp... to provide him his anarchistic goodies. ;-)

Anonymous said...

\\Pretty soon the internet's going to be useless.

WAT??? I will not be able to download my opensource and compile it for myself? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The problem was with the YouTube APs search. They control the files. You don't think that they can deny other engines from finding them?

Anonymous said...

Like... they are only ONE who hold that files.

Well, they trying to prevent easy way of downloading em... but still, that's pretty easy.

All question --- who will hold em, and where, and what will ask for accessing. ;-)

That is what street rat of the internet can say about it. :-)))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Jack's Magic Coffee Shop controls the "cloud". You won't find them there.

Anonymous said...

You have said that something missing before... and I found, something.

Even though I didn't know what to search for... and that is biggest problem, that I know from my experience.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

When Barrack Obama ran for President, I found quite a bit of information that one can no longer find. But that was 2008. Back when he flirted with Left radical fringe parties and movements in his run-up to his 2006 Senate race.... and his associations with Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground figure and Ayer's wife, "Dorn" (another Weather Underground bomber)... one of Michelle Obama's law firm associates. There is also a bunch about his position on the board of a major foundation and the "grants" he supported (like for Bill Ayers "education" initiatives. There was also a lot about his "mentor" and father substitute in Hawaii, a Chicago communist.... and his being registered as a Muslim at a school in Indonesia... all magically "disappeared".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...much like his "birth certificate" and "college records" (it was suspected that he claimed to be "Kenyan" and was a "foreign student" in his college records. His education was also funded by a radical "Muslim" donor who wrote his "recommendation" letters.

Anybody who believes that Obama wasn't a radical is a fool.

Anonymous said...

\\and his being registered as a Muslim at a school in Indonesia... all magically "disappeared".

Want is safe? Make copies! ;-P

That's the rule of Internet.

Well... of Evolution too.


\\Anybody who believes that Obama wasn't a radical is a fool.

Radicals... became most successful conservators... when it happen to snatch some power. ;-P


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That's why they "weaponized" and made DoJ a "partisan" actor under Eric Holder.

Anonymous said...

"Il Principe".

Yawn.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Like the joke about the argument of the human body's organs debating who will be the boss... all it takes is an *sshole to stop doing his part.

Anonymous said...

:-))))))))))))))))))

Anonymous said...

Well.

Dune's logic: "only one who can destroy it, are in real control of it".

It's like one who holding hand grenade, even if it activated -- are one who in power.

And not one who "released" it... as far as possible. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It's why the Left LOVES government now. They're still holding the grenade.

Anonymous said...

Socialists to not love government?

Pft!

Joe Conservative said...

Dervy hates Biden?

Joe Conservative said...

Dervy doesn't like government censorship and abuse of justice system against political opponents? He doesn't love government POWER?

Anonymous said...

Why I talk with it, what do you think? :-)))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I read too fast... sorry.

Anonymous said...

Naaaah.

That is the same problem I tried to mention earlier.

Language... do not help to discern it. Robustly.

Like. You, or anybody, have no problem to discern where is Left, and where is Right, isn't it?

But.

When it in text. Or in speech. There is often that problem. "Your right, or my right?"

Or other such similar cases.

Like discerning straight claim, from negative, from double negative. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Tru dat...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Put the same picture/art/canvas in a different frame... and it won't be the same picture with the frame's different ideological "glasses" on.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

We read this painting completely differently. Your "elements" are gold and silver, and mine are "dross" and "lead".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The top speeds for the same sprinter carrying nothing, 10 kg, and 1 kg will all be different. They'll change again for the amount of training each sprinter undergoes, as he ages.

/So. Imagine. We ordering TWO sprinters -- first to stand on the START line. And second -- 100 meters ahead. So, when they'll run. Second will appear on that place we would like to achieve as doubled speed. ;-)

But how did you get the 1kg package to the 2nd sprinter? Speed of package or speed of only the 2nd sprinter? The 1st sprinter would only appear to travel at his max speed. See, subjectivity problem? What am I missing?

Anonymous said...

like... with ropes. ;-)

remember -- what we want to achieve -- more speed. Or... more distance to come in same time.

If that'll be just one sprinter, or even bunch of sprinters, but starting from same point -- they can (if they not throwing that thing, but that's another story, isn't it?) give to that weight only that same speed as they able to run with, themself.

Because -- they will end their run in that same distance per same time.

But.

Imagine.

First sprinter running -- and pulling that thing after him -- he again cannot pull it PAST finish.

But second one -- he already are PAST finish line of first one.

Well... there is additional details need to be accounted. What exactly pulling mechanism to use. And etc.

But that is mostly technical details -- while you have basic idea that solution is possible in general.

Anonymous said...

\\We read this painting completely differently. Your "elements" are gold and silver, and mine are "dross" and "lead".

Well... that's why I copy-pasted that excerpt from DiBi.


""
He gave us a very simplistic theory of human emotional groupings. In any large group, people were likely to lump up into five subgroups whose basic beliefs could be summed up as follows.

1. Life sucks.
2. I suck, but you might be okay.
3. I'm great, but you suck.
4. We are great.
5. Life is great.

His theory was that people in one group could talk to others in a neighboring group and be understood if not fully believed. If two people were too far away, though, they wouldn't even understand though they spoke the same language. For example, a person in group #3 thinks they are great while someone in #1 simply rejects that premise. Most likely the #1 person would take it as a lead-in to some kind of trickery… because we all know life sucks.
""


PS But that is exactly what needed for sucessful team -- diversity. ;-)

Anonymous said...

\\They'll change again for the amount of training each sprinter undergoes, as he ages.

In most realistic setups... we just have no time to wait for training.

And anyway -- no training can give you something like doubling of speed.

So... it's better to devise some technological solution...

while sprinters... well, you can take even turtles... if you'd have enough number of them.

And your tech will allow you to use em to achieve needed speed. ;-)