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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Friday, February 16, 2024

Foamy Social Formations

Amphitrite, Goddess of the Sea  (not Aphrodite)

Amphitrite is the ancient Greek Triple Goddess in her guise as ruler of the sea. Her name, used synonymously with the ocean by Homer, means "the third one who encircles (To quote Graves on the subject: ‘the sea, which is cast about the earth, the first element, and above which rises the second element, air‘.)." A moon goddess, Amphitrite retained her individuality even under the later Greeks, who had her married to Poseidon. She has a special concern for all creatures of the sea and is responsible for the foaming waves.

Hesiod, "Theogony"

[176] And Heaven came, bringing on night and longing for love, and he lay about Earth spreading himself full upon her.7 Then the son from his ambush stretched forth his left hand and in his right took the great long sickle with jagged teeth, and swiftly lopped off his own father's members and cast them away to fall behind him. And not vainly did they fall from his hand; for all the bloody drops that gushed forth Earth received, and as the seasons moved round she bare the strong Erinyes and the great Giants with gleaming armour, holding long spears in their hands and the Nymphs whom they call Meliae8 all over the boundless earth. And so soon as he had cut off the members with flint and cast them from the land into the surging sea, they were swept away over the main a long time: and a white foam spread around them from the immortal flesh, and in it there grew a maiden. First she drew near holy Cythera, and from there, afterwards, she came to sea-girt Cyprus, and came forth an awful and lovely goddess, and grass grew up about her beneath her shapely feet. Her gods and men call Aphrodite, and the foam-born goddess and rich-crowned Cytherea, because she grew amid the foam, and Cytherea because she reached Cythera, and Cyprogenes because she was born in billowy Cyprus, and Philommedes9 because sprang from the members. And with her went Eros, and comely Desire followed her at her birth at the first and as she went into the assembly of the gods. This honour she has from the beginning, and this is the portion allotted to her amongst men and undying gods, -- the whisperings of maidens and smiles and deceits with sweet delight and love and graciousness.
Sandro Botticelli, "The Birth Of Venus"

Jamie Ranger, "The Politics of living in a World of Foam"
Peter Sloterdijk is a German philosopher notorious for his public spat with Jurgen Habermas, his proclamation that critical theory died in the 1990’s (much to the chagrin of Axel Honneth and other contemporary custodians of the tradition), and his gigantic three-volume Spheres trilogy, in which he presents a polemical and holistic philosophy of being, space and nature. The recent English translation of the trilogy has piqued the interest of theorists working on the interdisciplinary problems of culture, ecology and technology. His philosophical anthropology charting of the history of humanity’s self-organisation, specifically his account of “society as foam,” provides an intriguing challenge to the methodological assumptions that underpins much contemporary political theory.

In the third and final volume, Sloterdijk offers a theory of the present age from the perspective that “life” has a space-forming effect: individual living beings are not monads with their own environment but are all intertwined with each other. We are bubbles—translucent, fragile, and co-isolated social units enmeshed in foam, a description intended to capture ‘a technological theory’ of ‘political instructions for the construction and preservation of civilizatory units’ (2016: 37). Foams are described as the:
‘systems or aggregates of spheric neighbourhoods in which each individual “cell” constitutes a self-augmenting context…an intimate space of meaning whose tension is maintained by dyadic and pluripolar resonances, or a “household” that vibrates with its own individual animation (ibid: 52).’
Society is understood as an aggregate of microspheres (spaces of meaning produced by couples, families, households, businesses, free associations, institutions, etc.) that exist and relate to one another in contiguity and propinquity, as ‘individual bubbles in a mountain of foam’ (ibid: 56), both bordering one another and layered above and below one another, without the full transparency and accessibility of absolute disclosure.

The foam metaphor is designed to undermine the suggestion that societies can be understood as organic totalities of homogenous continuity. Instead, societies are only comprehensible as ‘restless and asymmetrical associations of pluralities of space and processes whose cells can neither be truly united nor truly separate’ (ibid: 54). The internal coherence or unity of a given social field is always an ideological construction, a fantasy that operates to suppress the ‘fluid, hybrid, permeable and promiscuous constitution’ (ibid: 55) of societies.

The important aspect of understanding the social field through the foam structure is that it reveals the world-forming aspect of each individual symbolic unit alongside one another, that are then ‘drawn into an interactive network based on the principle of co-isolation’ (ibid:56). The foam metaphor attempts to explain the production of social systems without relying on border-policing or social essentialism.

Throughout Spheres Volume 3: Foams, Sloterdijk wishes to challenge the contractualist (interchangeable with the more common “contractarian”) paradigm, which presupposes a social field comprised of self-interested individuals that organise themselves in a rational process of compromises to secure the formalisation and protection of their pre-existing interests in exchange for a series of duties and obligations to the newly constituted institution. Although contemporary theorists of political obligation often touch on the inherent solidarity involved in human activity (for example, the work of Margaret Gilbert), there is a statist bias to proceedings. The literature is more interested in explaining why the current liberal-democratic settlement is viable, permissible, and legitimately enforceable than it is in the actual historical instantiation of the state and the processes of collective organisation it may be actively impinging upon. If individuals are considered self-interested, ‘social synthesis’ can be explained in dispassionate terms as contractual coordination, without need to allege any ‘mysterious solidarities, deep pre-contractual connections or pre-rational depths of community’. (ibid: 255) As Sloterdijk quips, ‘can I claim to have signed a contract of kinship with my parents and siblings?’ (ibid: 256).

The moment we abandon the contractualist approach and accept that humans have social ties that predate the constitution of political institutions, one must ask in ‘what larger shared structure those coexisting with one another are “contained”, and what nexus actually binds them together’ (ibid: 257) and thus consider the possibility of cohesive forces of pervasive shaping power existing prior to the intervention of the original violence of the constituting state. Although Sloterdijk’s aims are politically conservative (if eccentric), Iwona Janicka (2016) has noted that the foam metaphor complements anarchist theory insofar as it implies a comprehensive solidarity that may plausibly render the state unnecessary under favourable conditions.

In the contractualist model, all those co-existing human beings “lack” for something (usually security) only accessible once they are transformed into “citizens” through the apocryphal manoeuvre from the “state of nature” to “civil society”—an action which ‘none will ever be able to say where, when and in what medium it occurred, and how it could be grounded…no archivist has yet succeeded in finding the cabinet in which the social contract is stored.’ (2016: 268). For Sloterdijk, it is ‘the exquisite nowhere’ in which any social contract is supposedly enacted that deflects away from the material fact of the ‘situate constitution of coexistence and its self-willed spatial dynamics.’ (ibid).

In my view, the novel appeal of Sloterdijk’s “society as foam” is both its implicit and explicit challenge to the norms of political theory. Aside from the explicit denunciation of the contractarian history of political philosophy—epitomised in the work of Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau—Sloterdijk’s project invites a more spatialised analysis of human activity and political constitution. Instead of focusing on the ways in which we are separate and consider politics as the means by which we are artificially brought together, perhaps political theory ought to focus on those obstacles to sociality that are artificially keeping us apart.


Works Cited:
Iwona Janicka, (2016) “Are these Bubbles Anarchist? Peter Sloterdijk’s Spherology and the Question of Anarchism”, Anarchist Studies, 24:1 (pp.62-84).

Peter Sloterdijk (2016) Spheres, Vol. 3: Foams. South Pasadena, CA: Semiotexte, MIT Press.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Soon... it will not be important. :-(((((

Epoch of decadence... ending.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

No, soon it will be more important, for navigating the chaos.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - See the window on the top floor to the right of the tree on the left? That was my view for a year.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...or at least one "rotation"... ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

3rd Regiment, PC 5th Co, 3rd Platoon.

Anonymous said...

Cannot empatize. :-(

I'm absolutely totally civilian. ;-P

Was holding only non-functional weapon. And never shut even one bullet.



\\No, soon it will be more important, for navigating the chaos.

And not new tech(s)?

Well... previous decadents thought the same... that they will come to rule.

Dudes like Hitler and Stalin -- showed to them that they... not actually right.

Anonymous said...

"Bigger batallions win"(c)

Anonymous said...

Or... we have had machine guns... and they didn't. ;-)

If you wish.

Anonymous said...

War... it's technology...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

One EMP later, no technology. The machine guns and artillery still work, only nobody knows where to put them, or how to get them where they need to be.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that what Musk fears... it seems.

And instead of plan to fix it for good... it trying to suck up to perpetrator.

Maybe that policy must be stated explicitly.

Instead of "we do not negotiate with terrorist" into "we suck up to em"? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ukraine sure is sucking up to the Biden team...

Anonymous said...

Pft!

Like with not disclosing Burisma papers? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That, and by not negotiating with Russia.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

How high with Zelinsky jump for Biden?

Anonymous said...

\\That, and by not negotiating with Russia.

Oh... and why you NOT negotiated with Japan... and Reich? ;-P

Or... why Israel do not negotiate with HAMAS today...

YOU, stated that reason in your Joe blog.

Do you REALLY wanna try to pretend that you DO NOT get it? :-)))))))))))))))))))

Joe Conservative said...

The Russians will soon be drinking tea in Kyiv. Will you begin your negotiations then?

Joe Conservative said...

For failing to negotiate earlier, the Japanese got "Unconditional surrender". Think they liked those terms? Putin will enjoy writing your new "constitution".

Anonymous said...

\\The Russians will soon be drinking tea in Kyiv. Will you begin your negotiations then?

Only if you'll start sending em Lend-Lease ASAP. ;-P


Do you not know when argument gone dead? :-)

This one... already rotten, full of larvae and stinks.




\\For failing to negotiate earlier, the Japanese got "Unconditional surrender". Think they liked those terms? Putin will enjoy writing your new "constitution".

Dunno how it add-ups in your brain.

In my... it totally not.

To compare Russia and Japan?

Or Russia and... USA???

I totally DUNNO how anything like that is possible... at all.

Anonymous said...

There is that anekdote... that became apocrifical.

""
The plane crashes over the ocean, three remain alive: the pilot, the assistant pilot and the flight attendant - they manage to get out to a desert island. After a month of living together, the pilot said: “Down with debauchery!” - and killed the flight attendant. A month later he said again: “Down with debauchery!” - and buried the flight attendant. A month later he said: “Down with debauchery!” - and dug up the flight attendant.
""

Or... here https://neolurk-org.translate.goog/wiki/Закопайте_обратно?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Anonymous said...

Do you really think they can do it... while continuing like that???

Anonymous said...

;-P

Anonymous said...

;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You remind me of the Spartans...

Phillip II of Macedon said to Sparta: "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city." The Spartans replied: "If".

Phillip never sent his men. Why? Sparta didn't have any left to fight. The Thebans had decimated them years previously at Leuctra (371 bc). And Phillip wanted to start going after Persia.

Anonymous said...

You talk in romantic.

While I answer in pragmatic.

Surely, we talk past each other. :-(((

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Surely you are the romantic if you think Ukraine has infinite blood to pour into thee trenches...

There is no dishonour in negotiating.

Anonymous said...

With whom????

Jews should be negotiating with Hitler????

HOW????? Sending smoke message to it? (got grim joke?)

Anonymous said...

Need help! ;-P

Joe Conservative said...

You're waiting for Putin to send a train (Versailles)?

Anonymous said...

???

Compiègne Wagon
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › C...
Before the 1918 signing in the Forest of Compiègne, the wagon was the personal carriage of Ferdinand Foch and was later displayed in French museums. However, ...

Anonymous said...

Well... you want to fight with them with your American troops that badly...

Anonymous said...

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-18-february-2024-after

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

well, I suppose it beats the deck of a battleship.

Anonymous said...

In first? Second? Or virtual third time? ;-P

Anonymous said...

;-)

Anonymous said...

Seven Days to the River Rhine
Seven Days to the River Rhine was a top-secret military simulation exercise developed at least since 1964 by the Warsaw Pact. It depicted the Soviet Bloc's vision of a seven-day nuclear war between NATO and Warsaw Pact forces. Wikipedia

PS Notice a Year. That is EXACTLY a year after when USA showed itself pussies.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The window for a settlement is closing. Once it shuts, Ukraine will seal it's fate as bureaucratically run perpetual Russian puppet state.

*tik-tok*

Anonymous said...

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0

And from what FACTs stem such predictions???

None. Just layers of layers of DEMN/KGB/liliPut propaganda.

Matrix has you, Neo.

Knock-knock.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You know us "Westerners"... we're always anxious to return to our drinking and dancing on our luxury space yachts after watching all the people on the other ship die horrible, painful, deaths.... :((((((((((((

Anonymous said...

No, I don't.

That's why I trying to communicate.

With peculiar results...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Need a party invite? You can share Polish/ Ukrainian kitsch.

Anonymous said...

Dunno.

What is the meaning of the word kitsch?
1. : something that appeals to popular or lowbrow taste and is often of poor quality. 2. : a tacky or lowbrow quality or condition. teetering on the brink of kitsch Ron Miller.7 days ago

Kitsch Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › kitsch

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You probably didn't have much time to watch the Lem "Holocaust" video. The ethics of "kitsch" was Lem's metaphor for the Nazi's ideology. Their hatred of Jews was all "kitsch" (low brow opinion). Hitler being a 'populist" leader, not an Aristocrat.

There's a lot of truth in it. But then again, I don't think that the "intellectuals" (Lenin/ Trotsky) in the East were all that much better than Stalin (low brow upbringing). Stalin was at least "pragmatic' (limiting communism to USSR and not trying to spread it everywhere like Trotsky and the Internationale (COMINTEDRN). Stalin was also a bureaucrat.

...and America is full of bureaucrats.

Ever hear of "high art" and "low art". In the 20th century, they "merged". And anyone who's seen a Hollywood movie knows that "it's ALL kitsch now" (lowbrow).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Culturally, we're not too far from fashionable head bashing, a mainstream spillover from black boutique "thug life".

Anonymous said...

\\Hitler being a 'populist" leader, not an Aristocrat.

It's like claim that water is wet.

Bleh.



\\I don't think that the "intellectuals" (Lenin/ Trotsky)

WaaaaT???? Intellectuals??? :-)))))))))))))))

Well, they was diligent pupils. I give em that.

Like Derr Punn. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\ Stalin was at least "pragmatic' (limiting communism to USSR and not trying to spread it everywhere

WaaaaT????!!!!

And why he started WW2????

Just for lulz???!!! %-))))))



\\Stalin was also a bureaucrat.

Eeeeeh?????!!!!!

Well. In a style mafia don being bureaucrat... but...




\\Ever hear of "high art"

That "high" art is just seasoned low brow entertainment of medieval brutes...

Polished with time... like that oval stones on a sea shore.

Needs... A LOT OF TIME.

Time... we don't have.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

High Art is why the NAZI officer doesn't need to hit the Jews. It's what has made killing them seem "good" and made beating the "kitsch" (for the low-brow enlisted men).

And in a tribute of virtue to vice, I say we send all the NAZI's to the Gulag, frog march them there, and whip them the whole way... all power to the people! ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That "high" art is just seasoned low brow entertainment of medieval brutes.

And when the war with Russia ends, what then?

A new "techne" will be needed. One that would prevent a "repetition" of the cycle of brutality. One that would divert the continued animosity between Russian and Ukrainian into a joyful amity. Some "magical art" that could turn bitter enemies into lifelong friends. Some art to transform that innate human desire to kill, humiliate and torture "the other", see his "differences" and embrace them (or at least 'tolerate" them). To see the "danger" that "the other" poses, and respect it, relish in it, to become "hospitable" to it, as in ancient times when you showed hospitality to travellers, and welcomed them into your home, where you showed chivalry.

Developing such a "techne"... is a "high art" indeed.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The rest is merely "kitsch".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Capitalism is one such "high art". It's current "form" (corporatist) is flawed/ defective. A form is needed that favors "the small"... the "boutique" and prevents monopolization.

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was borne from this flaw.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The current form strives for and optimizes for "efficiency" (to MAXIMIZE profit). There is no "meden agan" in MAXIMIZE.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

There is (currently) no "limit" to MAXIMIZATION. We need one, lest the entire "system" be maximized (totalitarian)(aggregate efficiencies).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

HYMN TO ZEUS
[1] Muses of Pieria who give glory through song, come hither, tell of Zeus your father and chant his praise. Through him mortal men are famed or unfamed, sung or unsung alike, as great Zeus wills. For easily he makes strong, and easily he brings the strong man low; easily he humbles the proud and raises the obscure, and easily he straightens the crooked and blasts the proud, -- Zeus who thunders aloft and has his dwelling most high. Attend thou with eye and ear, and make judgements straight with righteousness. And I, Perses, would tell of true things.

THE TWO STRIFES
[11] So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature. For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men pay harsh Strife her honour due. But the other is the elder daughter of dark Night, and the son of Cronos who sits above and dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil; for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in good order; and neighbour vies with is neighbour as he hurries after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men. And potter is angry with potter, and craftsman with craftsman, and beggar is jealous of beggar, and minstrel of minstrel.

[25] Perses, lay up these things in your heart, and do not let that Strife who delights in mischief hold your heart back from work, while you peep and peer and listen to the wrangles of the court-house. Little concern has he with quarrels and courts who has not a year's victuals laid up betimes, even that which the earth bears, Demeter's grain. When you have got plenty of that, you can raise disputes and strive to get another's goods. But you shall have no second chance to deal so again: nay, let us settle our dispute here with true judgement divided our inheritance, but you seized the greater share and carried it off, greatly swelling the glory of our bribe-swallowing lords who love to judge such a cause as this. Fools! They know not how much more the half is than the whole, nor what great advantage there is in mallow and asphodel [poor man's fare].

Anonymous said...

\\Blogger -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\ The current form strives for and optimizes for "efficiency" (to MAXIMIZE profit). There is no "meden agan" in MAXIMIZE.

Naaah.

There is so-called thing -- optimum.

Or equilibrium.

We cannot maximize at will. That is BS.

Even SINGULARITY... have limits. You know -- horysnt of event. ;-)




\\ High Art is why the NAZI officer doesn't need to hit the Jews.

Yawn.

Do you need to beat your stake? Your cheeseburger? Kick some cola?



\\I say we send all the NAZI's to the Gulag

Too late.

They already was there.

All that prisoners of war. And then Eastern Germany...



\\And when the war with Russia ends, what then?

Everything Everywhere All at Once ;-P

Well.

As I say.

If one intaken some info. Adopted some views.

It changing that one.

And things do not look like anything before.

But.

We are... as homeostatic (with instinct of survival) entinies...

FEAR it... and trying to prevent ANY changes.

And if we trying TOO HARD... changes start happening EVEN MORE.

That's how wars happen...



\\One that would prevent a "repetition" of the cycle of brutality.

That is... BS.

But well... as fellow honeostatic entity... I have NO other way... except to wholeheartedly AGREE.

But that "would prevent a "repetition"" would need to have A BIG POWER.

And only NEW tech can generate/create/give such power...



\\Developing such a "techne"... is a "high art" indeed.

Naaah.

That's just low brow beating to a pulp. ;-P

Go (re)watch that "Unbroken". I recommend.



\\ A form is needed that favors "the small"... the "boutique" and prevents monopolization.

Yawn.

NEW successful and widespread tech.

Which while people be busy adopting and trying and exploring possiblities -- they would nit have time to brawl...



\\The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was borne from this flaw.

Naaah.

That is old historical conflict.

Or... would you say that struggle between Blakk and White... is because of corporativism too??? %-)



-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

\\ The current form strives for and optimizes for "efficiency" (to MAXIMIZE profit). There is no "meden agan" in MAXIMIZE.
/Naaah.
There is so-called thing -- optimum.
Or equilibrium.
We cannot maximize at will. That is BS.
Even SINGULARITY... have limits. You know -- horysnt of event. ;-)


I suggest you acquaint yourself with "The Tragedy of the Commons" by Garrett Hardin.

The economy is a commons. Individuals in the commons don't "optimize"... they maximize. The commons soon cannot support all the "maximizers" and it collapses (WWIII). Corporate America continues to maximize its' market share.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The Tragedy of the Commons may be a "myth" to many, but it's not to a sailor who has thought a lot about "the lifeboat problem". How many survivors do you save? What happens if you try and save too many? How do you choose "who" to save?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - My Z card lists me as a "Certified Lifeboatman". ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

....and the NATO boat is over-full.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Or... would you say that struggle between Blakk and White... is because of corporativism too??? %-)

Know a better way of preventing the "workers of the world" from "uniting"?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Did you watch the Peter Thiel video I posted? In business, you can choose to either differentiate or compete. The successful ones are the ones that differentiate.

Anonymous said...

Yeah... but that is not up to Tiels to decide. ;-P

That is shadow paths of technology leaded by Invisible Hand of a Market. ;-)


\\Know a better way of preventing the "workers of the world" from "uniting"?

And they could??? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Why then, they NOT united... in passed century?

Workers... despise other workers... even MOAR then capitalists their rivals.

Well... capitalists are... quite amicable... by need. Actually. ;-)



\\I suggest you acquaint yourself with "The Tragedy of the Commons" by Garrett Hardin.

Thank you, but no, thank you.

I lived through it. And living through it -- today.

It's like suggest to a seasoned po.r.n industry worker... to watch some po.r.n AGAIN!



\\The economy is a commons.

That is... your theory? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That's the ideal (free market/ invisible hand). But that was before we regressed to mercantilism and allowed the State to begin picking "winners" and "losers".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

"Here's $1b, go invent a better battery."

Anonymous said...

Hah.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Why are you laughing. THAT is how it's done, only the battery never gets invented, the contractor simply pockets and runs away with the money.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Anonymous said...

\\Why are you laughing. THAT is how it's done, only the battery never gets invented

And that... do not deserve laughing? ;-)

As I said.

Those who have money -- have no ideas.

Those who have ideas -- do not have money.

Yawn.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and when money becomes available, people with ideas take the money and then keep the ideas in their heads.

Anonymous said...

Dunno.

You say.

My experience -- very limited.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It's because their ideas weren't very good/ didn't pan out or they didn't learn anything from them.

Anonymous said...

That much... I know.

Even if from historical examples, if not my own experience.