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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Wednesday, June 26, 2024

The Missing Law of Physics?

Excerpts from video above:
...We could be wrong. We could be spectacularly wrong. But it's also possible that science is missing a profound truth about the cosmos. We have these 10 or so laws of nature, only one of which currently has an arrow of time. That's the second law of thermodynamics, the increase in entropy-it's disorder; it's decay. We all grow old. We all die. But the second law doesn't explain why things evolve; why life emerges from non-life. You look around, and you see flowers bloom and trees blossom and birds sing. It seems like all of those things are counter to the idea of disorder. In fact, it's a kind of ordering of nature.

So let me tell you what we think: We think there's a missing law, a second arrow of time that describes this increase in order, and we think has to do with an increase in information.

So there's two possibilities. We could just be wrong. We could be terribly wrong, dramatically wrong. But I think, if we're wrong, we're wrong in a very interesting way. And I think, if we're right, it's profoundly important.

I'm Bob Hazen. I'm a Staff Scientist at the Earth and Planets Laboratory of Carnegie Science in Washington, D.C. I do mineralogy, astrobiology. I love science.

We think that, for some reason, there's been missing a second arrow of time. And that arrow has to do with an increase of information, an increase in order, an increase of patterning that goes side by side with the arrow of increasing disorder and increasing chaos, entropy.

The core of everything we've been thinking about, in terms of the missing law, is evolution. When I say the word "evolution," you immediately think of Darwin, but this idea of selection goes much, much beyond Darwin and life. It applies to the evolution of atoms. It applies to the evolution of minerals. It applies to the evolution of planets and atmospheres and oceans. Evolution, which we see as being an increase in diversity, of patterning, in complexity of systems through time.
 
And so the question is, "Well, what is evolution?" Evolution is simply "selection for function." And this applies to every kind of system.

Now, in life, you select for organisms that can survive long enough that they can reproduce and have offspring that will pass on their characteristics. That's what Darwin said, and that's one very important example of selection for function.

But, in the mineral world, you select for organizations, of assemblies, of structures of atoms that persist, that can last billions of years even in new environments. They don't break down. They don't dissolve. They don't weather away. It's very analogous to biological evolution, but it's different in detail. We think there's a missing law- it's a law of evolution.

And, if there is a law, it has to be quantitative. It has to have a metric. You have to be able to measure something. And what we've zeroed in on is a fascinating concept about information, but not just information in general, something called 'functional information.'

Let me see if I can explain this to you 'cause it took me a while to figure it out myself. Imagine a system, an evolving system that has the potential to form vast numbers of different configurations. Let's say they're atoms to make minerals, and you have dozens of different mineral-forming elements, and they can arrange themselves in all different ways. And 99.99999999- I can keep going- percent of those configurations won't work. They will fall apart. They'll never form. A tiny, tiny fraction makes a stable mineral, and you end up with a few stable minerals and lots of rejects.

Now, all you need to do is think about that fraction. If it's one in a hundred trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion possibilities that's stable, then you can represent that fraction as information. And because it's such a tiny, tiny fraction, you need a lot of bits of information to do that- that's functional information.

Evolution is simply an increase in functional information because, as you select for better and better outcomes, you select for minerals that are more and more stable. You select for living things that can swim. They can fly. They can see. You need more information, and each step of the evolutionary ladder leads you to increasing functional information.

So, our law, our missing law, the second arrow of time is called the 'Law of increasing functional information.' And that's the parallel arrow of time that we think is out there that we want to understand.
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...So think about this: We're saying that the coffee cup has value as a coffee cup. It has some value as a paperweight, but it has no value as a screwdriver- that's contextual.

So this is why the second arrow of time is difficult for science because it's saying there's something in the natural world that is not absolute. It's contextual. It depends on what your purpose is. It depends on what your function is.

If it's true, what we're saying is there's something in the Universe that is increasing order, it's increasing complexity, and it isn't doing this in a random way. It's selecting for function.

And if it is, if you're selecting for function, it means that there almost seems to be, can I use the word "purpose?"

Do minerals have a purpose? Do atmospheres have a purpose? Does life have a purpose?

To me, there's something real there, and the old way of thinking of a single arrow of time no longer rings true to me.

Sounds like "hindsight" relative to an observer to me, just as Entropy is a "foresight".  Epimetheus/ Prometheus, all "Science" narratives and myths (like wave-particle duality in the slit experiment) involving "time" are relative to an "observer" and his sensory "instruments". 

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

BS.

In my school textbook it was explained -- how thermodynamics works.

If you'll turn upside down basket with ping-pong balls -- they'll scatter all around (or... open can of worms ;-P).

And you'd need a lot of time and effort -- to collect em all back.

And... you'd never be able to do it EXACTLY same way as they was before, in that basket.

Yawn.



As to "increase of complexity" -- that is an illusion.

That exist solely because of thermodynamics laws being NON-LINEAR.

Go look into


Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › B...
A Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction, or BZ reaction, is one of a class of reactions that serve as a classical example of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, ...
‎Briggs–Rauscher reaction · ‎Boris Belousov (chemist) · ‎Non-equilibrium




PS Well... that is relatively new information (though exist for several decades)... so, there is no surprise that you not know it.

But... that is EXACTLY the case of "Ancient Wisdoms grow imprecise and even OUTDATED... with time".



-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You cannot step into the same river twice, but that doesn't mean that the river has no "form" determined by its "context" (the land forms around it). It serves no "function" but to channel the rainwater that falls, and continue the gravitational potential energy diminishment process by allowing it to seek its' lowest energy state (equillibrium) in an ocean or lake. Its' aggregational form (river) is purely local and contextual.

Anonymous said...

\\You cannot step into the same river twice, but that doesn't mean that the river has no "form" determined by its "context" (the land forms around it).

Is there a reason to talk/think about it even? Yawn.

We -- cannot control that context (until... NEW tech? ;-))




\\ It serves no "function" but to channel the rainwater that falls, and continue the gravitational potential energy diminishment process by allowing it to seek its' lowest energy state (equillibrium) in an ocean or lake.

Yap.

You perfectly capable to perceive and attest the river...

but still far away from seeing and understanding... cloud. ;-)

But...

cloud do fill that river. With a raindrops.

It collected in itself... when was formed far-far-away.

In an eternal(?) NON-LINEAR process. ;-)




\\Its' aggregational form (river) is purely local and contextual.

That is just a map... not territory. ;-)

Just a pale shadow on a cave's wall.

Not THING itself.

Just a bones of late dead corps... not a living flesh.

Anonymous said...

https://essaygpt.hix.ai/essay-topics/greek-mythology

And. ;-P

https://essaygpt.hix.ai/essay-topics/philosophical-theories

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Cosmic rays didn't seed Aristophanes "Clouds". The were more akin to the "crowds" in the Athenian agora. ;P

Anonymous said...

\\Cosmic rays didn't seed Aristophanes "Clouds".

And how'd you know? ;-P

Cosmic rays from galaxy Far-Far-Away did hit microtubes in brains of that Ancient Greeks... and made em do what they did. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I guess we need your "tech" to investigate and find out, then...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

As for me, I don't need an object (commodity) fetish to serve as a stand-in for the pursuit of social relations. I offer my "right opinions" on social matters, gratis, the "meta-modern' internet psycho-politics sales way

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...for the agora and face-to-face marketing has all but disappeared.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...I guess it beats prancing amongst the stoa with the stoics, Peripatetically. Perhaps nothing beats a Kantian stroll or Rousseauian reverie like sitting my fat ass on a couch and typing.

Thersites said...

Maybe the psychogeography of a de'rive can inspire the nobler sort of thoughts.

Thersites said...

A journey beyond the torii, beyond the mundane and into the sacred to observe and contemplate the shintai (not your tech).

Anonymous said...

\\I guess we need your "tech" to investigate and find out, then...

B-)



\\...for the agora and face-to-face marketing has all but disappeared.

Yeah... guerilla marketing do not exist... ;-P

you better believe that, for it to work flawlessly.



\\A journey beyond the torii, beyond the mundane and into the sacred to observe and contemplate the shintai (not your tech).

They have shit kami. ;-P

So, be advised. ;-)



-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Naaaah. Same gods, different names.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

PS - the Beckett post has Russian subtitles. ;P

Anonymous said...

Do you think I shitting you? ;-P


KAWAYA-NO-KAMI
Shinto Toilet Deities

Also known as Kawaya-Kami, Mawaya-No-Kami
Extremely hygenic toilet deities

These are very busy Kami who deal with toilets and the associated bodily functions. If you are having trouble with your plumbing, give them a call.

According to legend, the Kawaya-no-Kami were born from the bodily wastes of creator gods Izanagi and Izanami, which fell down to Earth with a cosmic splat. You’d better believe that deities poop — and their holy excrement can produce miracles.

The Kawaya-no-Kami also look after gynecological diseases, optical care and dentistry. We just hope they scrub up first.

https://www.godchecker.com/japanese-mythology/KAWAYA-NO-KAMI/

Anonymous said...

\\PS - the Beckett post has Russian subtitles. ;P

???

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Early Romans were an agrarian civilization and, functionally, most of their original pantheon of gods — as against the later ones they adapted to Greek stereotypes — were of a rural nature with figures such as Pomona, Ceres, Flora, Dea Dia; so it was apt to have a god supervising the basics of organic fertilization. Sterquilinus essentially taught the use of manure in agricultural processes. He was not the sole deity of feces on its own; as in, sewage.

Modern writers later elaborated upon and exaggerated the significance of Sterquilinus/Sterculius and other "earthy" deities of antiquity, sometimes with moralistic disapproval. One editor of An Encyclopædia of Plants, published in 1836, related that

Sterculius was the god of the privy, from stercus, excrement. It has been well observed by a French author, that the Romans, in the madness of paganism, finished by deifying the most immodest objects and the most disgusting actions. They had the gods Sterculius, Crepitus, Priapus; and the goddesses Caca, Pertunda, &c, &c.[4]


Closed Captioned for the English impaired. ;)

Anonymous said...

...&c, &c.[4]

I... will use it. :-)



Well... that is stories of ancient times... and what I mentiuoned -- actual thing. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yes, but the actual thing, the objet petit 'a, has the habit of constantly metamorphosising. :(

Anonymous said...

petit'a??? Pile of shit? %^))))))))))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Object cause of desire... but from stomach, smell, excessive heat, which "cause"?

Anonymous said...

For a scarab? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Aristophanes "dung beetle" from "Peace"?

Peace, comedy by Aristophanes, performed at the Great Dionysia in 421 bce. The plot concerns the flight to heaven on a monstrous dung beetle by a war-weary farmer, Trygaeus (“Vintager”), who searches for the lost goddess Peace only to discover that the God of War has buried her in a pit.

Yep, sounds about right.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Scarabaeus viettei

Anonymous said...

Still... only related to shit... not shit itself.

Well, Japanese used it as fertilizer, instead of manure.

Means, what you depend on -- looks more sacred. (and DEMNs looks like depend on Bi-den)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The soil and plants slowly absorb manure because it's insoluble in water. Fertilizers dissolve quickly in water and boost plants almost instantly.

You can only use what you have... in the water-filled rice paddies.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and Biden's all they've got.

Anonymous said...

Well... dRump's do not look any more yummy. ;-P

Anonymous said...

BTW... Russians talk about USA with a glee... and compare it with times of demise of USSR...

Anonymous said...

Well... talks like about inflation and responsibility for it of any POTUS -- is BS by itself.

Technically, ANY POTUS can down it to 0% or even below. ;-P

But... same time all economy will go... South(that is the saying).

So... it always are trade-offs: between rate of inflation, soundness of economy and people's perceptions of well-being... damn nightmarish equation in itself.

Especially, as many parts of it -- even not formalized, not formalizable.

And there is big extent of all kinds of "surprises" (like COVID or RFia's war).

That's why that all babbling about Climate Change and how it all scientifical --- is utter buffony.

But... there is No One who'd made step forward and admit "We Totally and Utterly DUNNO what we are doing". :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

So... it all endlless "Emperor's New Clothes"... not exactly feiry-like tale. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

It's EXACTLY like the fall of the USSR. The hypernormalized neoliberal lies collapse into "reality".

Anonymous said...

\\It's EXACTLY like the fall of the USSR.

Naaah. :-))))))))))))))))))))

That's their wet dreams. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

So you're right, Trump is not something "more yummy". He's a hammer to be used to smash the current political idols.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...to be smashed again, in turn.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...until "alchemy" in politics is banished. And a rule OF law, not a rule BY law, returns.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...laws being Kantian "categorical imperatives".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

“The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
― Tacitus, "The Annals of Imperial Rome"

Tacitus: Origin:Latin. Other Origin(s):Roman. Meaning:Silent, mute. Tacitus is a boy's name. Name of a famous Roman historian (100 AD)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ever watch or play the game "Jeopardy". The correct "questions" always derive from their double-clued answer. The contestant must guess the question, from the answer.

Anonymous said...

\\ He's a hammer to be used to smash the current political idols.

If you are sure that limp dick is perfect tool for a virgin penetration.

Yawn.



\\...to be smashed again, in turn.

There... could be problems...




\\...until "alchemy" in politics is banished. And a rule OF law, not a rule BY law, returns.

Those who like sosages and honor laws...

There is an old saying attributed to Prince Bismarck that “to retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making.” The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations has the epigram listed in the Misquotations section because of its flawed association with Bismarck [ODQB]:Jul 8, 2010

Laws are Like Sausages. Better Not to See Them Being Made
Quote Investigator
https://quoteinvestigator.com › 2010/07/08 › laws-sausages




\\...laws being Kantian "categorical imperatives".

%-)))

But there are good sci-fi story on it.

About Three Laws of Robotechnics.

That some dumb dude decided that Just Three is not enough -- so he started teaching his robots new and new ones... until that robot killed him.

And when investigating detective came and started questioning him/it: "but what about robotic law Do Not Kill Humans???", that answered "ah??? was there such law? which number of em? 1001th??? 10.068th?" ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...only because the guarantor of any Law is always its' exception.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...the human body which grants "clemency/ mercy".