Nothing exists on its own
Physicists have long known that quantum objects behave nothing like the solid, independent things of everyday experience. But the implications run deeper than strange behaviour. Carlo Rovelli's Relational Quantum Mechanics suggests that quantum systems have observer-dependent properties—what they are depends on their interactions with other systems. Drawing on a tradition running from Hume to contemporary metaphysics, philosopher Andrea Oldofredi explores this novel relational perspective on our world, arguing that objects are not the fundamental furniture of reality.
Quantum Mechanics is arguably one of the most successful theories in the history of science, for its predictions are confirmed by countless experiments, making it a cornerstone of contemporary physics. However, a century after its inception, the theory still challenges our classical worldview, offering a counterintuitive description of nature at microscopic scales. Contrary to classical mechanics, where objects are individually distinguishable and possess well-defined attributes at all times, QM speaks about indistinguishable systems with indeterminate properties, superposed states, and non-local interactions. Unsurprisingly, then, questions concerning its ontology, i.e., what fundamentally exists, are still vividly discussed to this day.
Despite its empirical success, however, physicists and philosophers alike enquire whether QM should be considered a true description of the natural world, because this theory is affected by conceptual conundrums and formal difficulties (e.g., the measurement problem). To address such issues, new quantum interpretations emerged from the 1950s. Among the many existing alternatives, here we consider a widely discussed framework that turns thirty this year, Carlo Rovelli’s Relational Quantum Mechanics (RQM).
RQM is motivated by Rovelli’s work in loop quantum gravity, where spacetime is not a substance existing per se, but rather it emerges from a dynamic network of relations, providing a relational perspective of it.
A new ontology for RQM
Now, with MBT in mind, let us introduce a new way to conceive objects in RQM. According to Rovelli, a physical system can be characterized “by a family of yes/no questions that can be meaningfully asked of it”, where such questions are measurements that can be performed on physical observables, i.e., properties, attributable to the system under consideration. An observer O may ask a set of potentially infinite questions Q1, Q2, …, Qn to the system s, obtaining the string(e1, e2, …, en) (1)
where each ei;represents a specific answer. Nonetheless, RQM postulates that “there is a maximum amount of relevant information that can be extracted from a system”. Hence, Rovelli says, a complete description of a physical system s is given in terms of the string[e1, e2, …, ek] (2)
with k < n , which is a subset of (1). Because in RQM information about systems is obtained through interactions, and questions are measurements on the system s performed by some observer O, (2) contains O’s knowledge about s. Clearly, this string represents the description of s relative to O; indeed, another observer P may ascribe to s a different list of properties/values.
Since in RQM physical systems are defined via a specific set of observables, it is then reasonable to characterize them as mereological bundles of qualities. In this way, RQM can be provided with a property-oriented ontology in which objects are defined straightforwardly, for in MBT they are reduced to properties. However, given that the values of the properties of quantum systems in Rovelli’s theory are observer-dependent, we can define the objects of RQM as mereological bundles of properties whose values depend on the perspective from which they are observed.
More precisely, one should say that there is a set of inherent properties characterizing a certain species of particles—such as mass, charge, spin, etc.—which are not observer-dependent, so that their value remains constant. On the contrary, the values of extrinsic properties (such as energy, position, momentum, etc.) are observer-dependent and change relative to specific observers. Additionally, in virtue of contextuality and the algebraic structure of QM, not all observables associated with a certain system can have definite values.
To give an example, in RQM, an electron is characterized by inherent properties such as mass, charge, and spin-1/2, and extrinsic properties such as momentum, energy, angular momentum, and position. These latter have relational and contextual values which depend on the specific interactions of the particle under consideration with different observers.
Conclusion
Elaborating on Paul’s MBT, we saw in this piece that RQM is compatible with an ontology of properties. This fact has interesting consequences, since it shows that quantum objects need neither be thought of as bare particulars nor as Aristotelian substances. On the contrary, following Hume’s tradition, we can define them as bundles of qualities, where intrinsic properties characterizing a certain species of particles have constant values, extrinsic qualities take definite values relative to particular observers, and not every observable defining a system can have a definite value in virtue of the quantum formalism. Additionally, from our perspective on RQM, we can properly speak about material objects in motion and interacting in spacetime. Hence, we can enrich and clarify its event ontology, making it a full-fledged realist interpretation of quantum theory.
Let’s step back from the technical details for a moment and consider what this picture is really telling us. We live our lives taking for granted that objects exist. This seems an obvious fact. The chair you are sitting on, the phone in your hand, the body you inhabit, the most solid and unquestionable features of reality. But what Rovelli’s quantum mechanics suggests is that this intuition, while practically indispensable, is not the deepest truth about our world. Underneath the solid, stable objects of everyday experience, there is no hidden substance giving things their identity and independence. There are only properties, interactions, and the relational facts that such interactions generate. What we call an object is not a “thing in itself,” but a bundle of properties that holds together reliably enough at the scales we inhabit to function as a thing. But zoom in far enough, and the thing dissolves into its relationships and qualities.
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Thursday, May 28, 2026
Reality's Quantum Image-Generating Framework
Andrea Oldofredi, "Hume, Rovelli, and why the quantum world contains no objects"
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yawn
higher orders logic
Observer, observer, where's the observer....
Emergent? Or transcendent?
Does he identify in the logic of the 1st or 2nd order of observation?
First-order logic quantifies only variables that range over individuals; second-order logic, also quantifies over sets; third-order logic also quantifies over sets of sets, and so on.
Higher-order logic is the union of first-, second-, third-, ..., nth-order logic; i.e., higher-order logic admits quantification over sets that are nested arbitrarily deeply.
Yeah. "Those who know better" invention. Of framing framework.
And -- see, how they trying to reassure you -- that No Other Way possible.
While, we discussed for at least two other ways -- Lem. And Tolkien.
Well, every story building up own framework.
Because that is nature of things...
IT... going meta. Yawn.
Do you read own words? Simetime.
\\Observer, observer, where's the observer....
Nowhere... that is mindboggling misinterpretation. Of Reality. "Matrix have you, Neo"
(posting here, whike "pre-cenzzure allows)
Hey Farmer!
I'm finally back. Slightly damaged but still fighting the good fight!
Gert! Great to hear your back! You'll have to post your adventures at Zware! I had starting wondering where you got off to. Best wishes!
I'm stuck in 1st order.
Indeed. Go rogue!
Trapped in the algorithm! Neo? Tron! Welcome to the gameboard.
ps - There is no Real world (Matrix - Zion)
Yawn.
I have debugger. And root access.
And you are... mere user. ;-p
...outside the gameboard (retired).
new tech(s) -- new redestribution of it.
one, which empowers workers.
Harry Harrison's "Ethical engineer"
Primum non nocere!
btw - Necessity is the mother of invention. Maybe its' just not the time.
We're not living in a Deathworld. And there's not enough surplus to gamble away the "Part Maudite" in order to keep working the "tech" angle. Besides, if tech were to provide for all necessities, what would be the point of going off world?
There'd be no "Part Maudite" to give life meaning. It would simply be a never ending accumulation of tech production.
How does Trump's business career reflect Bataille's "Accursed Share"?
Donald Trump’s business career provides a striking modern illustration of Georges Bataille’s economic theory in The Accursed Share (La Part Maudite) [1]. Bataille argued that the fundamental problem of economics is not scarcity, but how to expend a society's inevitable "excess" energy [1]. While traditional capitalism prioritizes rational accumulation and reinvestment, Trump’s career frequently mirrors Bataille’s concepts of glorious waste, sovereignty, and the refusal of calculation [1].
1. Excess, Splendor, and "Glorious Waste"
Bataille posits that a society or individual must eventually spend its excess energy—the "accursed share"—either productively or through non-productive, luxurious consumption (dépense) [1].
The Esthetic of Luxury: Trump’s early real estate career shifted away from the pragmatic, utility-driven construction of his father, Fred Trump. Instead, he channeled wealth into monumental structures like Trump Tower, featuring cascading waterfalls, 24-karat gold fixtures, and pink marble.
Symbolic Consumption: In Bataillean terms, this is not utilitarian investment; it is the deliberate display of excess designed to stun, dazzle, and generate prestige rather than efficient margins. The architecture serves as a monument to pure expenditure.
2. The Casino Ventures and the Potlatch Effect
Bataille heavily references the indigenous concept of the potlatch—a festival where leaders achieve status not by hoarding wealth, but by spectacularly destroying or giving it away.
High-Risk Devastation: Trump’s expansions into Atlantic City casinos (such as the Taj Mahal) functioned like modern financial potlatches.
The Mechanics of Ruin: The use of massive high-yield junk bonds created an economic pressure cooker where wealth was burned through spectacular bankruptcies.
From a strict classical economic lens, these defaults were failures; from a Bataillean perspective, they represent an ultimate form of expenditure where the system's excess energy is dramatically sacrificed, paradoxically elevating Trump's public mythos and celebrity status rather than destroying it.
3. "Sovereignty" vs. Rational Calculation
A central figure in Bataille’s philosophy is the sovereign individual: one who refuses to be subservient to utility, future planning, or rational boundaries, living entirely in the intense present moment.
The Art of the Deal as Performance: Trump’s business methodology has historically relied on intuition, branding, and performative dominance over rigid ledger-based calculations.
Defying Constraints: By navigating multiple corporate bankruptcies, legal battles, and massive debts while maintaining a lavish lifestyle, his career embodies the sovereign refusal to be constrained by traditional economic laws. The sovereign survives precisely because they refuse to bow to the rational mechanics of the market.
4. Branding and the Metaphysical Share
In classical economics, a brand is an asset meant to secure future cash flows. Under Bataille's framework, Trump converted physical real estate assets into a pure, intangible signifier: his name.
Licensing the Name: Selling the rights to the "Trump" name for buildings, steaks, and universities represents the ultimate sublimation of material economy into symbolic economy.
Generating Pure Energy: The brand became an infinite generator of symbolic capital, operating outside the standard material constraints of supply, demand, and physical overhead.
Harry Harrison had a gambling addiction. He gave away his "Part Maudite". That's not a sin. That's a "good life" (philosophically speaking).
Trump has charisma, not celebrity. It's why he has so many followers. He's a sovereign individual worthy of emulation. Not simply a receptacle for his admirers "interpassivity" (as with celebrities).
Bureaucrats and Civil Servants are all constrained. They are supposed to steward the nations accumulated resources. They can't make decisions to sacrifice the part maudite. That's the elected president's job (and why the Deep State has TDS).
The Trump name is his brand/ profile. It's not "I'm a good person" (like all the Facebook posters). It's "I know how to live!" (like the kids on Tik-Tok).
The "ethics" of sovereignty (wastefully excessive) carefree. NOT the ethics of "ethics/ morality" (productive) careful.
The illusions and delusions of the MAGA cult of sheeple. Bowig with glee to the very oppressors of We the Peope as they allow the rape of the American taxpayers to steam ahead as the oligarchs enrich themselves at the expense of the common man and woman.
Cheer up Les? You'd rather spend it all on immigrants being put of in NYC hotels? LOL!
Our "accursed share" is already a $39 trillion deficit.
So keep your nose to the grindstone
Keep yours to the grindstone.
I worked my ass off for the capital classss for 42 years. They extracted the surplus value I produced for them. They then sold it at huge profit and gave me a stipend in salary.
And he present situation is MUCH worse under trump today than it was before I retired.
If you support the criminal Trump regime you're either a member of the capitalist class or you're cutting your own throat.
Why don't you work for options (share of future profits) then?
But no, you are nasty commie, who wants all profit for yourself, while paying for the risk -- should pay somebody else, y#s?
//Trump has charisma
Naaah. He just stooopid.
But, 90% of population are too.
That's why they like him as representative.
Yawn.
this game plays us all...
...even dead one cannot feel safe in their graves (look how we re-digging corps of Marx and etc)
//btw - Necessity is the mother of invention. Maybe its' just not the time.
Sure thing!
And that's whole point!
Of becoming free from bonds of Evolutional Gravity -- beinf driven by necessity alone. ;-)
Commoditzed (like all) information never dies...
Stupid like a fox...
There's nothing lower risk than a salary...
...and for capital, paying a surplus-salary to the PMC to manage those on a survival-level one and keep them compliant.
So, go "create" some necessity (Sputnik).
If the Russians are doing something... there's got to be something in it.... so we must do it (ie - psychic research).
If there was true meaningful profit sharing by the capital class I'd be 110% behind it. But there is not.
Also, the myth of government austerity to reduce the national debt must be collapsed and exposed for what it truly is. A gimmick to drive capital to the very most upper echelon of society. The capital class. Which is the top 1% to 3% of society.
So, you saying. that investors/shareholders DO NOT DESERVE THEIR FAIR SHARE OF PROFIT, do not deserve their investments to pay off (even if that is workers that escroved to buy some stocks for their children ti prospere?)
Only workers who already have PROTECTED FROM RISKS salary -- deserve.
Even if un such a case -- there'd be NO INVESTORS, and everybody will be pooreer because of it. To the point wirkers haveing NO JOBS.
You are fool, commie.
But you are dangerous fool.
And traitor if American Way of life.
//So, go "create" some necessity (Sputnik).
War will show what are "necessary"
Yawn
Already showing...(that your Old Spears... are Useless, USA)
Yaaaaawn
..,entrapped into fox trap?
Yawn?
Maybe... it's time to gnav off own leg, to free from that trap?
Oh, wait, but that fox not hungry, not scared enough for that... yet.
Yaaawn.
Because, despite all "smartyness"... it is beyond stoooopid, and unable to percieve what comes next(like trapper... with a loaded gun)
...like cancer?
Yawn.
Everybody do.
Yawn.
The last 3 missed...
No, they simply need a complimentary "low" mix (Hi-Low Mix) of drones added (for saturation attacks).
..to work as a swarm.
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