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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Saturday, October 15, 2022

The Great 'En-Framing' (Gestell) within a Digital Ship of Theseus

When Gestell holds sway, "it drives out every other possibility of revealing" and that it "conceals that revealing which, in the sense of poiesis, lets what presences come forth into appearance.
-Martin Heidegger
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Voice heard below decks and from within the digital walls of the cave of Polyphemus and the New Cyclopeans:
“‘Cyclops, thou askest me my renowned name, and I will declare it unto thee, and do thou grant me a stranger’s gift, as thou didst promise. Noman is my name, and Noman they call me, my father and my mother and all my fellows.’

“So I spake, and straightway he answered me out of his pitiless heart:

“‘Noman will I eat last in the number of his fellows, and the others before him: that shall be thy gift.’

“Therewith he sank backwards and fell with face upturned, and there he lay with his great neck bent round, and sleep, that conquers all men, overcame him. And the wine and the fragments of men’s flesh issued forth from his mouth, and he vomited, being heavy with wine. Then I thrust in that stake under the deep ashes, until it should grow hot, and I spake to my companions comfortable words, lest any should hang back from me in fear. But when that bar of olive wood was just about to catch fire in the flame, green though it was, and began to glow terribly, even then I came nigh, and drew it from the coals, and my fellows gathered about me, and some god breathed great courage into us. For their part they seized the bar of olive wood, that was sharpened at the point, and thrust it into his eye, while I from my place aloft turned it about, as when a man bores a ship’s beam with a drill while his fellows below spin it with a strap, which they hold at either end, and the auger runs round continually. Even so did we seize the fiery-pointed brand and whirled it round in his eye, and the blood flowed about the heated bar. And the breath of the flame singed his eyelids and brows all about, as the ball of the eye burnt away, and the roots thereof crackled in the flame. And as when a smith dips an axe or adze in chill water with a great hissing, when he would temper it—for hereby anon comes the strength of iron—even so did his eye hiss round the stake of olive. And he raised a great and terrible cry, that the rock rang around, and we fled away in fear, while he plucked forth from his eye the brand bedabbled in much blood. Then maddened with pain he cast it from him with his hands, and called with a loud voice on the Cyclôpes, who dwelt about him in the caves along the windy heights. And they heard the cry and flocked together from every side, and gathering round the cave asked him what ailed him:

“‘What hath so distressed thee, Polyphemus, that thou criest thus aloud through the immortal night, and makest us sleepless? Surely no mortal driveth off thy flocks against thy will: surely none slayeth thyself by force or craft?’

“And the strong Polyphemus spake to them again from out the cave: ‘My friends, Noman is slaying me by guile, nor at all by force.’

“And they answered and spake winged words: ‘If then no man is violently handling thee in thy solitude, it can in no wise be that thou shouldest escape the sickness sent by mighty Zeus. Nay, pray thou to thy father, the lord Poseidon.’

“On this wise they spake and departed; and my heart within me laughed to see how my name and cunning counsel had beguiled them.

Homer, "The Odyssey" 

Difference between Ashlar masonry (left) and Cyclopean masonry (right), shown in the blue rectangle; Lion Gate, Mycenae, 13th century BCE

47 comments:

Thersites said...

More on Heidegger's "The Question Concerning Technology".

Q said...

\\As we just heard, Heidegger’s analysis of technology in The Question Concerning Technology consists of three main ‘claims’: (1) technology is “not an instrument”, it is a way of understanding the world; (2) technology is “not a human activity”, but develops beyond human control; and (3) technology is “the highest danger”, risking us to only see the world through technological thinking.

Might be Lem knew/read this.
Maybe even discussing it... remotely. As phylosophers do.

1) Yeah, kinda.

2) Yeah, kinda.

3) More like a Chance!


Well. Still. Lem was not a technologist too. ;-)

Thersites said...

Others believe that technology is what makes us post-human, that this "standing reserve" of history and abilities make us "cyborg".... and that it "haunts" us as a shadow... not an ontology (state of being), but as as "hauntology". A sort of "technology trap" that keeps my Tofflerian future from being realized. Technology as a "parasitic" form of memory.

Q said...

Well... people who lost their limbs because of some nasty desease or accident... would they be AGAINST becoming "cyborgs" that much?

Or... what your "tofflerian future" could propose to them?
Being a luggadge? :-(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Toffler world is very high tech. It's a Silicon Valley everywhere. Everyone works from home and is connected by the internet (like during the pandemic)... only many of us have robots and manufacturing equipment in our garages instead of cars.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

btw - Whereas DOD typically selects a single contractor to build a system, NASA employs "teams" of contractors to do the same. The people on these teams interact seamlessly across government and company affiliation. Such would be Toffler's 3rd wave.

Q said...

\\\Blogger -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Toffler world is very high tech. It's a Silicon Valley everywhere. Everyone works from home and is connected by the internet (like during the pandemic)... only many of us have robots and manufacturing equipment in our garages instead of cars.


Yap-yap-yap. Technological communism. :-))) I got it.

But. As I already stated here. Socialism Do Not Works (tm)


\\Such would be Toffler's 3rd wave.

Seeing is believing. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

No, not communism. Bourgeois Capitalism. Worker-owners.

Q said...

Whatever you name it. (yawn)

Do you think I will not recognize communism in whatever makeup you will use to disguise it?
Did you not followed our talk with TC? About opportunistic populism.

Well. "Workers-owners"... isn't that is what Marx proclaimed? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Government would disappear... isn't that what Marx said, too?

Q said...

Well, I don't think Marx propheted much... well, anything at all. ;-P

Most of all what called "marxism" is not from him but from his epigons.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Marx was the quintessential "kynic" of the new "capitalist discourse".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...but he didn't have a sense of humor....

To what extent does psychoanalysis offer a way out of the capitalist discourse, and can it subvert the consumer’s particular relation to the object a? In Television (1974), an edited version of a television interview with Jacques-Alain Miller, Lacan’s reflection on the figure of “the saint” is most interesting at this respect (see also Bruno, 2010). In a section of this complex text, Lacan (1974, pp. 19–20) compares the psychoanalyst with the saint and concludes the following: “The more saints, the more laughter; that’s my principle, to wit, the way out of capitalist discourse—

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Zizek, however, does. :)

(((TC))) said...

bring the noise

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Gilles Deleuze, commenting on Foucault, has developed a formidable intuition: we are switching," he said, "from the disciplinary society (prisons, mental isntitutions, etc described in Satyricon song) into the society of control. Or, to put it mildly, from the disciplinary control society to the engagement control society.

Did I ever tell you that my eldest son was a "Senior Encounter Designer" for Zenimax's "Elder Scrolls On-line"?

So bring it! ;P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - I don't play it :(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I suppose I'm more of a haptic control kinda guy. Protocols aren't really me thing. :(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

And sorry, I should have said, "was".

Q said...

\\Blogger -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Marx was the quintessential "kynic" of the new "capitalist discourse".

Cynic?
Well, I maybe not that aware of it... but he do not look like cynic to me.
More like romantic. ;-)


\\Blogger -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
Zizek, however, does. :)

Summarized as
" Cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls, we need to cut the balls,
the balls of those in power! Cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls, we need to cut the balls,
the balls of those in power! Cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls, we need to cut the balls,
the balls of those in power! Cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls, we need to cut the balls,
the balls of those in power! Cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls, we need to cut the balls,
the balls of those in power! We need to cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls! Cut the crap and cut the balls,
just cut the balls! So cut the balls,
we need to cut the balls! Be white, black, asian and cut the balls,
just cut the balls! So cut the balls,
just cut the balls! The problem is maybe not the big act "Cut the balls", but you make small changes and all of a sudden, balls are no longer there. We need to cut the balls,
let them face the final hour. We need to cut the balls
and our faces won't be sour. We need to cut the balls,
we can train with cauliflower! We need to cut the balls,
and then take the bloody shower! Grab and pull the imaginary balls from the sky,
cut through the air and say bye, bye, bye. Just cut the balls,
make them become Niagara falls! Just cut the balls,
make them become Niagara falls. Just cut the balls,
make them become Niagara falls! Just cut the balls,
make them become Niagara falls! Just cut the balls,
make them become Niagara falls! The structure of the joke
is that this so called progressive intelectual, in order to score his small narcicistic point,
oh, I dusted the balls, totally ignores the suffering there
and that's the whole point of the joke. Well, in reality we only dirty with dust the
balls of those in power. Those in power look down and say
"Oh, where are my balls?"
His balls are full of dust." Let's join together, let's fall in trance,
let's dance The Perverted Dance™. The point is to cut them off! I am a philosopher, I like to provoke,
we live in perverted times, so let me tell you a perverted joke! A Mongol warrior on a horse stops and says "I'm gonna rape your wife and you should hold my testicles,
while I rape your wife, so that they will not get dusty." When he raped his wife, the Mongol warrior went away,
the farmer started to laugh and jump with joy, his wife said "Hey, how can you be happy?!"

Ough, yeah. VERY witty. :-))))))))))))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Did Marx ever tell jokes?

Q said...

Am I Marx's fan to know?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You tell me? I never saw him tell one.

(((TC))) said...

The Labor Theory of Value is pretty funny...

Thersites said...

You have a point, beamish. But I suspect that it was only unintentionally funny...

(((TC))) said...

Nothing is more funny than a bombastic tautology pretending to be an economic theory.

Q said...

And how it is a theory? While that is obvious an axiom.

Yet one time TC, you just DO NOT understand meaning of words ou are using.

Which is Clearly trait of an idiot.

(((TC))) said...

I already have your admission that you are an imbecile, you already have my declaration that I am not interested in having a discussion with an imbecile.

Please, fuck off.

Q said...

Seen hoop, doing jump.

My little pet-kunky. ;-P

PS You are not in a position to demand *anything*. Yeah, and that is what makes you so disturbed and aveful.

PPS Still. I am interested again. What "bombastic tautology" do you mean? And why you think it is "economic theory."???

(((TC))) said...

Perhaps you thought, correctly, that learning English would improve your life. There is no corresponding benefit to learning your native language. That isn't your fault, perhaps there may actually be some financial benefit in being able to translate English into whatever noises pass for a language in your non-American petri dish. But as we have already established, you are an imbecile and likely not the best translator of English given that you obviously haven't mastered it. To succeed in life, you're going to have to learn English, and you haven't yet.

Q said...

Ha-ha-ha (homeric laughter))))))))))))))))))))))))

What a playful pet.


Yoiu found one deficience in me... and now you trying to play a card of being better then me, because you know English betyter.

But you not.

As was shown many times already -- you do not grasp the meaning of the words of the language which is supposedly YOUR NATIVE. What the loser.

Befitting of an meager intellectual proves of an idiot.


PS It seems my question higher is meaningless.
As you able to spout long words (which should make you "sound intelligent")... but, you are perfectly incapable to explain/elaborate/clarify anything... past simple lame back-bites und underdog barling.
Or.
Dog. Dog. Dog. Bark. Bark. Bark. For youto understand at least something of my this comment post. ;-P

(((TC))) said...

It's always hilarious to me when you can't make up your small mind if I don't understand my own language or if I need to change my words so that an imbecile such as yourself can understand them.

I get it. You're from one of the pathetic other countries where people are cruelly not taught in school that Americans are unquestionably superior, so you fumble through international relations trying to ice skate uphill and totally baffled why everyone you attack on the internet whips your ass and laughs at you. You don't know how to have an intelligent discussion, it would be abusive to expect one from you. You're just stupid, and stupid can't be fixed.

I don't seek you out for discussions. I already know you're an imbecile, and perhaps it is beyond your intellect to understand that I do not want to discuss anything with you *because you are an imbecile.* Wipe it up with a sponge and wring it out into your ear if you must, but get the message. You are a moron. I do not want to have a discussion with a moron. Don't call on me unless you need a reminder that you are a moron.

Q said...

\\It's always hilarious to me when you can't make up your small mind

(homeric laughter)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Why you running away then??? If that is ONLY hilarious to you.
Why all that "fuck off", "shuddup" and "go away"???
You are so hilarious, my little pet-skunk, with trying to play this card.




\\why everyone you attack on the internet whips your ass and laughs at you.

Yep. That is trait more fitting of a schisophrenic -- delusions.
Continue, continue, patient. I listen to you very closely.


\\You don't know how to have an intelligent discussion,

Yep, Captain Obvious, I do not know how to have *intelligent* discussion with a schisophrenic. :-))))
But, nobody can.


\\it would be abusive to expect one from you. You're just stupid, and stupid can't be fixed.

Yeah. Repeat it some more. Some couple thousand times. Maybe than it'll became reality... not. :-))))
What a childish bechavior -- belief that mere stubborness can change uneasy things into desirable one.
Yet one trait of schisophrenic. Congrats, congrats!



\\I don't seek you out for discussions. I already know you're an imbecile, and perhaps it is beyond your intellect to understand that I do not want to discuss anything with you *because you are an imbecile.* Wipe it up with a sponge and wring it out into your ear if you must, but get the message. You are a moron. I do not want to have a discussion with a moron. Don't call on me unless you need a reminder that you are a moron.

Yap-yap-yap.

What a playful pet-skunk. :-))))))))))))))))))

No end of hilarity and fun.

(((TC))) said...

Reminder: You are a moron.

Anonymous said...

そして、あなたは愚かです。 ;-P バカ呼ばわりで「バカ」を説得できると思ってるから。 :-))) 私がやるように。しかし、私はあなたを説得しようとはしません。礼儀作法を教えます。あなたを賢くするために。
Soshite, anata wa orokadesu. ; - P baka yobawari de `baka' o settoku dekiru to omotterukara. : - ) ) ) Watashi ga yaru yō ni. Shikashi, watashi wa anata o settoku shiyou to wa shimasen. Reigi sahō o oshiemasu. Anata o kashikoku suru tame ni.

Q said...

Oh, sorry.

And you are dumber. ;-P
Because you think that you can persuase "moron" with calling him moron. :-)))
Like I do.
But I do not trying to persuase you. To teach you manners. To make you smarter.

Just for... observing your petty treaks. Because you are my little pet-skunky. I even devised a name fer ya. You are Nigero, from now.

Go play for some more, my little Nigero, go show some more of your silly-funny treaks, go do some more pss-pss. :-)))))) Baka, Nigero. Ba-a-aka. :-)))))))))))

(((TC))) said...

And I don't have to prove the obvious fact that you're a moron. You're not going to "persuade" me to deny what you have already confessed. I didn't discover you are a moron, you admitted it.

I'm not interested in having a conversation with a moron. Stop pestering me.

Q said...

Ay-ay-ay. Pet trying to show its angry. :-))))

No, Nigero. You are not fit to demand anything.
And your tryes to talk yourself out of predicament... just prove that you are nothing but lowly pet of mine.

Go, run away, Nigero. ;-P As you destined to behave from now on.
In accordance with your revealed place in this life. Low-life. ;-P

Q said...

\\Anonymous (((TC))) said...
\\Stop pestering me.

Why that??? You said you like it. Or... that was lame prentence. The same like your tryes to "sound intelligent". You, Insufferable, answer me. ;-P

I, for example, do not complain, that all your "idiot-idiot-idiot" or "imbecile-imbecile-imbecile" pierce through my self-esteem. Because it's laughable even to concider it.
You are stupid. And that is ONLY thing you can do. Underdog barking
Vae victis. Vae stultus. (homeric laughter)))))))))))))))

(((TC))) said...

There is no intellectual, philosophical, financial, or recreational value or benefit to learning whatever language you speak when you are not stumbling through English. I don't even care what that language is. It's not English, so it might as well be a duck quacking. As you are one of the billions of human beings that God hated enough to have be born non-American, it makes sense why you wear your inferiority complex on your sleeve. But really, it's not my fault you were born an imbecile. It's not even my fault your family tree is a Christmas wreath and that your father and uncle are the same brother of your mother.

You've busied yourself tossing insults at me for quite sometime, and perhaps this the normal manner in which the people of your inferior country and culture seek intelligent conversation. Here in America, the nation that your fellow inbred imbeciles aspire to be by learning English, we seek intelligent conversation by avoiding imbeciles such as yourself.

I suggest you put on your most clean T-Shirt, dunk it in perfume, go down to the part of town with the nicer mud guts, and feed your mom / aunt a cobbod corn through the chain link fence, and fuck off.

Q said...

Oh, let's see... what you such a promicing text contains... isn't there some witty thought. (see, I make you an avance, no name-calling ;-))


There is no intellectual, philosophical, financial, or recreational value or benefit to learning whatever language you speak when you are not stumbling through English.

Yeah. "The more langs you know the better human you are"... but seems like, that is not about creatures from other genuses. ;-P


it makes sense why you wear your inferiority complex on your sleeve.

(homeric laugher)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Such a bold claim from a mere pet-skunk. Trully, you are funny fellow. And your jumps through hoops is funny... though, it is imaginary hoops... but your jumps is SO real, amd hilarios.


But really, it's not my fault you were born an imbecile. It's not even my fault your family tree is a Christmas wreath and that your father and uncle are the same brother of your mother.

Oh, revealing circumstances of own family SO openly. And reasons of own deficiency so readily.
So you are down, down boy. Nigero. :-)))


You've busied yourself tossing insults at me...

Oh... fine details of your mental deficiency. Even without MRI.
NO mirrir neurones.
Inability of reading other people mood and intentions. Inability to admit own faults.
THAT WAS YOU who started this shit-show. Benevolent *me*, just answering in-tone... so you with your deficient mind of result of incest and cross-breeding... would understand. ;-)
Isn't *I* great. Stable genius I am.


\\and perhaps this the normal manner in which the people of your inferior country and culture seek intelligent conversation.

Yeah, we call shit a shit here. And idiot an idiot. Without remorse.
That new invention "politcal correctness" didn't swimed to us across the ocean. Yet. ;-P



\\Here in America, the nation that your fellow inbred imbeciles aspire to be by learning English, we seek intelligent conversation by avoiding imbeciles such as yourself.

Yeah. Just keep avoiding. :-))))) You are successful with it. Ya mamma told no shit to you, when she(?) said: "If people will be laughing at you, while calling you an idiot, an imbecile -- just bark back at them "no, you are ***" ".


\\go down to the part of town with the nicer mud guts, and feed your mom / aunt a cobbod corn through the chain link fence, and fuck off.

Sorry. I am illiterate foreigner. And do not know your swines breeding customs. And have no interest in breeding them. That is what you are talking here? Am I right? How peasants in your county do it, when they lead M-swine, (a hog it called, yes?),to a F-swine. To make em to have a progeny. Isn't it?
Me English didn't fershtain at all. :-(((



PS No. Nothing witty. Just a skunks pss-pss and odor. In shallow try to thrug off a hunter with dogs... and a club. :-))))

Anonymous said...

Ha-ha-ha... Nigero's comment deleted. Even Google spamfilter do not like him.
What a lo-o-o-oser.

Q said...

Aha...

This one missing.

Blogger -FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
You tell me? I never saw him tell one.

October 21, 2022 at 10:49 PM

(((TC))) said...

I give you credit for trying to improve your pathetic existence by trying to learn English. You're not very good at English, but at least you agree with me that your native language and culture will take you no where in life. You are trying to learn English for no other reason. As an American I have no such need to improve. It might be an interesting science fiction premise to try to imagine something better than a human American, but that yields Star Trek with an Earth full of English speaking humans with a capital city in North America. Everything you aspire to be was already done, centuries ago, by Americans. I'm not trying to insult your primitive, backward, pathetic assembly of non-American imbeciles calling itself a nation. I'm just pointing out the fact you look up and see America and I look up and see nothing but sky and stars. Go ahead and type your objection in broken English through an internet connection none of your countrymen would have invented for themselves. It will be yet another example of the collective envy your pathetic people feel when an American decides to visit your cage and run a stick across the bars and laugh at the clucking chicken noises that ensue.

You're trying to learn English to make yourself a better person. It's a step in the right direction, as long as you never forget at the end of the day that you're still a pathetic imbecile trying to catch up to your betters

Q said...

Pet trying to play card of condescention.:-)))

You really are nothing but a playful and funny pet of mine, Nigero. :-)))

And not from genus of homo (pretentiously) sapiens.

Because. Anyone of homo, even if mere child... knows it. That that is stupid to brag about something that is not your own achievement. Or even not achievement... at all. (like making pile of fresh doodoo)

Well. And I assume that you are not one from that tribe your kin condescendedly calling "native americans". So you are not true american anyway. And your ancestors was carried to that New Woprld in baskets and crates. From a "primitive, backward, pathetic assembly of non-American imbeciles"... called Europe. Or maybe Asia. Africa?
And then was let off... to frolick and breed to your heart content. Inside that small gene pool. Of degradation and incest.

And... I'm very sad to know that you are homeless. As you admitted yourself, that you have no roof "and I look up and see nothing but sky and stars" above your head.
That's maybe is the reason that you are so feverish. And delusional.
No roof. No roots. No spine and no self-esteem.

But well, Mother Nature have purpose even for such low-life -- and that to be a food... or, mere grease for a feets, of bigger and more advanced mammals. ;-P
Or a game. For someone, whom Mother Nature bestowed with her most brilliant, most cunning tweak -- Intellect.

(((TC))) said...

If you can think of a place and people better than America and Americans, I'm sure you'll let us know.

Why are you trying to learn English? Nobody here wants to learn your language. What could anyone do if they knew your language? Seriously. Look at the world. Everywhere English is spoken is better than everywhere else. Is this a secret your primitive tribe hides from the public?



Q said...

\\If you can think of a place and people better than America and Americans, I'm sure you'll let us know.

What is the pleasure and interest in talks with idiots?
From time to time they spouting such a blatant malarkey...
"One idiot can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer." (c)



\\Why are you trying to learn English? Nobody here wants to learn your language. What could anyone do if they knew your language? Seriously. Look at the world. Everywhere English is spoken is better than everywhere else. Is this a secret your primitive tribe hides from the public?

Spienti sat.
But you are not one, apparently.