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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Friday, June 9, 2023

Ideological Distortions

Slavoj Žižek, "Iraq Angle: Upper Winnebago, Lower Winnebago "
(before: The Truth of the Approachative Shear)

Claude Lévi-Strauss's exemplary analysis in Structural Anthropology can serve to clarify the 'divergence angle': What is the spatial arrangement of houses in Winnebago, where a tribe lives in the Great Lakes region?The tribe is divided into two subgroups ('two halves'), 'upper Winnebago' and 'lower Winnebago'. If you have a person draw the layout of his village (the spatial layout of the huts) on a piece of paper or sand, you will get two completely different answers; which answer you get also depends on the subgroup of the person you're asking.

In the perception of both groups, the village is in the form of a circle, but:
— According to a subgroup, in this circle there is another circle of central houses, there are two concentric circles.
— Relative to the other subgroup, the circle is divided in half by a clear line.
In other words:
— In the perception of the members of the first (let's say 'conservative-integrative') subgroup, the layout of the village consists of ring-ring houses placed symmetrically around the central temple.
— In the perception of the second (say, 'revolutionary-conflicting') subgroup, the two discrete sets of houses in the village settlement are separated from each other by an invisible border.
This example in no way leads Lévi-Strauss to cultural relativism, nor does he say that 'the perception of social space depends on the observer's group belonging'. The division of the village into two 'relative' perceptions refers to an underlying hidden constant; but this is not the objective, 'real' placement of fixed houses.

It is a traumatic nucleus: it is a fundamental conflict that the inhabitants of the village are unable to symbolize, to reckon, to 'adopt', to settle accounts, it is an imbalance that prevents the community from stabilizing as a harmonious whole, it is a reality that warps social relations.

The two different perceptions of the settlement plan are two (mutually exclusive) attempts to deal with this traumatic conflict, an effort to heal the social wound by imposing a balanced symbolic structure...

Thus ultimately the status of Truth consists of the 'angle of divergence' and is substanceless: Truth has no material concentration in itself, it is only the rift between two points of view, you can perceive it only when you are diverging from one angle to the other.

From the Angle of Iraq

Turkish: Işık Barış Fidaner
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Slavoj Žižek, "The Angle of Iraq: The Truth of the Approachary Shear" (Google translated from Turkish)
Not everything is just about obvious games, there is a Truth.

But this Truth is not the inaccessible Thing, it is the crack that prevents us from accessing that Thing, the conflicting 'rock' that warps our view of the perceived object with biased approaches.

Accordingly, 'truth' is not a state of 'real', it is not seeing the object 'directly' without being warped by any approach, but rather it is the conflicting Truth that causes the warping of those approaches.

The field of truth is not 'what things really are like in their own way' (without being warped by approaches), but the crack that separates one approach from another, the transition, the degree that transcends the limits between disproportionate approaches.

'Real/impossibility' is the reason why you can see the object from a 'neutral' roof that is not warped by any approach.

There is a truth, not everything is in relative idling; But this truth is the truth of the approach-oriented warp, not a truth that is warped by one-sided approaches and opinions.
From the Angle of Iraq

(after: Upper Winnebago, Lower Winnebago)

Turkish: Işık Barış Fidaner

See "Excerpts from Menkibe on Nejativity", "Excerpts from Menkibe on Cosmological Superstition (astroanalytic myth status)", "Hegelian Nejativity/Menfiyet" Slavoj Žižek
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Slavoj Zizek, "The Tickling Object" (from "The Parallax View")
Recall Claude Levi-Strauss's exemplary analysis, from his Structural Anthropology, of the spatial disposition of buildings in the Winnebago, one of the Great Lake tribes, might be of some help here. The tribe is divided into two sub-groups ("moieties"), "those who are from above" and "those who are from below"; when we ask an individual to draw on a piece of paper, or on sand, the ground-plan of his/her village (the spatial disposition of cottages), we obtain two quite different answers, depending on his/her belonging to one or the other sub-group. Both perceive the village as a circle; but for one sub-group, there is within this circle another circle of central houses, so that we have two concentric circles, while for the other sub-group, the circle is split into two by a clear dividing line. In other words, a member of the first sub-group (let us call it "conservative-corporatist") perceives the ground-plan of the village as a ring of houses more or less symmetrically disposed around the central temple, whereas a member of the second ("revolutionary-antagonistic") sub-group perceives his/her village as two distinct heaps of houses separated by an invisible frontier... 20 The point Levi-Strauss wants to make is that this example should in no way entice us into cultural relativism, according to which the perception of social space depends on the observer's group-belonging: the very splitting into the two "relative" perceptions implies a hidden reference to a constant - not the objective, "actual" disposition of buildings but a traumatic kernel, a fundamental antagonism the inhabitants of the village were unable to symbolize, to account for, to "internalize", to come to terms with, an imbalance in social relations that prevented the community from stabilizing itself into a harmonious whole. The two perceptions of the ground-plan are simply two mutually exclusive endeavors to cope with this traumatic antagonism, to heal its wound via the imposition of a balanced symbolic structure. It is here that one can see it what precise sense the Real intervenes through anamorphosis. We have first the "actual," "objective," arrangement of the houses, and then its two different symbolizations which both distort in an anamorphic way the actual arrangement. However, the "real" is here not the actual arrangement, but the traumatic core of some social antagonism which distorts the tribe members' view of the actual arrangement of the houses in their village.

The Real is thus the disavowed X on account of which our vision of reality is anamorphically distorted; it is SIMULTANEOUSLY the Thing to which direct access is not possible AND the obstacle which prevents this direct access, the Thing which eludes our grasp AND the distorting screen which makes us miss the Thing. More precisely, the Real is ultimately the very shift of perspective from the first to the second standpoint. Recall the old well-known Adorno's analysis of the antagonistic character of the notion of society: in a first approach, the split between the two notions of society (Anglo-Saxon individualistic-nominalistic and Durkheimian organicist notion of society as a totality which preexists individuals) seems irreducible, we seem to be dealing with a true Kantian antinomy which cannot be resolved via a higher "dialectical synthesis," and which elevates society into an inaccessible Thing-in-itself; however, in a second approach, one should merely take not of how this radical antinomy which seems to preclude our access to the Thing ALREADY IS THE THING ITSELF - the fundamental feature of today's society IS the irreconcilable antagonism between Totality and the individual. What this means is that, ultimately, the status of the Real is purely parallactic and, as such, non-substantial: is has no substantial density in itself, it is just a gap between two points of perspective, perceptible only in the shift from the one to the other. The parallax Real is thus opposed to the standard (Lacanian) notion of the Real as that which "always returns at its place," i.e., as that which remains the same in all possible (symbolic) universes: the parallax Real is rather that which accounts for the very multiplicity of appearances of the same underlying Real - it is not the hard core which persists as the Same, but the hard bone of contention which pulverizes the sameness into the multitude of appearances. In a first move, the Real is the impossible hard core which we cannot confront directly, but only through the lenses of a multitude of symbolic fictions, virtual formations. In a second move, this very hard core is purely virtual, actually non-existing, an X which can be reconstructed only retroactively, from the multitude of symbolic formations which are "all that there actually is."

51 comments:

Q said...

What will be with Humankind -- that question interesting for me too.

But, I fear I am not that great, and only can repeat after Stanislav Lem here.

He devised that we humans will continue doing the same: following our desires, and trying to make a cocoon separating us from harsh Universe.

Well... that thing about desires was known to Sitharha Gautama. ;-)

Only that part about cocoon is saomehow new...

But well, what was that, in medieval times???

Idea that all we need to do it's praying, and building more churches and cathidrals?

And persecute and burn all who tryed to propose wonething new...
be it some withches, proposing new ideas about role of woman
or Jordano Bruno -- with his idea about many worlds. ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The cocoon seems like another word for "home"... floors to keep us away from 'dirt", roofs to keep out the elements, walls to keep out bugs and other creatures, plumbing to get rid of the sh*t and bring in necessary fluids for cleaning and drinking, electricity to do all the work of cooking, etc.

Q said...

And yes, and no...

We are part of Nature, so most of the time, ground with grass is good enough floor and branches and leaf of the tree is good enough roof.

That is our ideas, inside our sculls that make it good or bad.

Wanna know my hypothesis of human intelligence? ;-)

Nature controls living beings through instincts.

And that instrincts based on quite simple cybernetic schemas -- just create attraction to something (food, sex, etc)... then add some module of saturation to prevent overflow... an viola!

But.

Whith time bechavior needed started to became way too complex. And most important and crucuial -- NOT based on attraction, but on evasion: evasion of heat/cold, evasion of danger/predators...

That way, neurosises emerged. ;-P

That is circuits, that keep being in state of near saturation, from cybernetic standpoint. "Desires" that cannot be saturated.

Just pushed away... for some time. To starting nagging anew. In a jiffy of time.

;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sounds a bit like Plato's "Philebus". ;)

And your concept of neurosis is also a bit Freudian (a trapped psychic energy/ libido)

You should read Rhawn Joseph.

Q said...

\\And your concept of neurosis is also a bit Freudian (a trapped psychic energy/ libido)

Phenomenological vs in-depth hypothetising. ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...there's a difference? ;)

Anonymous said...

Isn't it obvious?

Phenomenological -- means it just barely scratch the surface of phenomena.

Like visible effect of gravity... explained with "attraction". Purely metaphorically from attraction among people.


While some real hypothesis -- should reveal some inner mechanics.

Like gravity law of Newton. ;-)

Q said...

\\You should read Rhawn Joseph.


I think I can use this chance to explain my view on systems engineering. ;-)

(well, it could be different from what you studied, or maybe even different from anybody else's thoughts ;-P)


Systems Engineering that is intrinsically meta-approach.

Like in this case, about brain.

There can be POV on brain from side of neuroscientist, or neurosurgeon. Psychologists. Us, mere carriers of that deadly weapon from more noble times. ;-)

And each such views can and might be differ. Like neurosurgeon might think more about blood vessels, while for neuroscientist they are not that important. And etc.

But. There is POV of the brain itself. Each one have own history. From birth, through life and up to the final.
But also there is Histiory of brains in general. More related to Evolution.

Also, there is POV from more META angle. What we might use that brain, that knowledge about brains for?

As from standpoint of education -- that is basicly "working with brains", isn't it? But also, there is organization, where it "work with brains which are educated and proficient". Or, there is "work with brains of laymans".

Or... from standpoint of our goal -- what we want to use that brains for?
For war, or for peace. To make some new thing, or to refine already existing?

From that one it is of lesser importance for me to know fine details about ACTUAL brain working. But, as I stated goal of making robots -- I need to think about how I'd make artifical instincts for them. Or even more advanced intellect. ;-)


Well, as that -- Systems Engeneering -- is how to manage all this different POV, talk with different people, understand em, facilitate understanding of each other.


PS Does that makes sense?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Yep. my training was more on the environments, inputs/outputs of the system and its' transformation process (inputs -> outputs) You model the system performance under different "environments" (scenarios) and optimize system trades (to yield best performance in ALL scenarios).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

My Master's "thesis" was a study of San Jose Municipal Airport performed in 1981 and focused on the question of airport expansion. It turned out to be a GREAT municipal investment idea. ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

According to airport officials, San Jose’s airport has been the fastest growing in the country, with a 26 percent growth rate in the last three years alone. Without expansion, airport officials said there’s a high risk of increased congestion, delays, poor service levels, and deteriorating staff productivity and passenger dissatisfaction. City officials expect that within the next 17 years — by 2037 — airport travelers will increase from 15 million to 22.5 million.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...Optimize performance based upon all the diverse viewpoints... not only passengers and surrounding businesses, but residents who must live with the noise as well.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...balance "incommensurable values".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...it's an "art" (even when the degree is named after "science").

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...It's muse-ical.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Balance, harmony, rhythm..

Anonymous said...

Yes.

Anonymous said...

Well... and most important "tech" for that -- is forming narrative, isn't it?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Only if you want the results to get accepted and implemented. ;)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

There are no right/wrong answers. But the "muse-ical magic behind the curtain" makes it seem as if there are.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

In other words, its' a "process". You either believe in it, or you don't. The narrative is needed to "make people believe". And most times, they don't won't to see how messy and irrational the sausage making process is.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...belief in authority. Belief in "experts". As my once near-FiL used to say, "the world runs on bullsh*t". I never disagreed with him.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:P

Q said...

\\Only if you want the results to get accepted and implemented. ;)

Hmmm...



\\And most times, they don't won't to see how messy and irrational the sausage making process is.

Yap.

Q said...

Well... bulshit -- excellent fertilizer. ;-)


Vannevar Bush - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Vannevar_Bush
Bush was a well-known policymaker and public intellectual during World War II, when he was in effect the first presidential science advisor. As head of NDRC and ...

Is there someone of that caliber? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You tell me... The current advisor is Arati Prabhakar, who has served as the 12th director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) since October 3, 2022

Anonymous said...

How could I???.....

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The bio looks strong... but all the PC'ness in government explains her presence. We're "done" as a future leader of scientific progress. Social "progress" has "trumped" it.

Q said...

Dunno again... maybe I should forget it, and try something else... :-(

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Acta non verba!

Q said...

When that bearded Ancient Greeks was walking by that Academia garden -- was they talking, or acting? ;-)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Better yet, what was Rousseau doing? ;)

Q said...

\\Before Rousseau's book the word "reverie" had a negative connotation: a 1771 dictionary defined the word as "ridiculous imagination" or "anxieties and cares that preoccupy the mind." Through his book, Rousseau helped create a positive connotation for the word by reveling in experiences that circumvented conscious thought.[2]

Exoneration of a word -- isn't that an ACCOMPLISHMENT. :-)


Or well... what Lem accompished? With his prophetic depiction of Future -- to which nobody care to confer...

Q said...

\\Before Rousseau's book the word "reverie" had a negative connotation: a 1771 dictionary defined the word as "ridiculous imagination" or "anxieties and cares that preoccupy the mind." Through his book, Rousseau helped create a positive connotation for the word by reveling in experiences that circumvented conscious thought.[2]

Exoneration of a word -- isn't that an ACCOMPLISHMENT. :-)


Or well... what Lem accompished? With his prophetic depiction of Future -- to which nobody care to confer...

Anonymous said...

\\Before Rousseau's book the word "reverie" had a negative connotation: a 1771 dictionary defined the word as "ridiculous imagination" or "anxieties and cares that preoccupy the mind." Through his book, Rousseau helped create a positive connotation for the word by reveling in experiences that circumvented conscious thought.[2]

Exoneration of a word -- isn't that an ACCOMPLISHMENT. :-)


Or well... what Lem accompished? With his prophetic depiction of Future -- to which nobody care to confer...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Whatver you say 3x is true (Lewis Caroll, "Hunting of the Snark").

Anonymous said...

Gods of communication seems like intruding in our talks...

or that is, noosphere? (shy)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Funny, I used to imagine all the plants and trees and their interlocking roots and plant life as "neurons" capturing the wisdom of the observable universe. Who knows. Certainly not me.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The planets is just one large brain.

Anonymous said...

Not trees... fungus. ;-)



\\The planets is just one large brain.

Or all Universe itself.



Yet one example.

Do you know Galois?

Évariste Galois - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Évariste_Galois
Galois's most significant contribution to mathematics is his development of Galois theory. He realized that the algebraic solution to a polynomial equation is ...

Who in the morning performed his Verba -- written math paper which became base of a half of modern math

And in the afternoon performed his Acta -- died in duel.

Which was greater?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

What is the acta of a writer, mathematician, or orator?

Anonymous said...

Yap.

Well, that was a question I'd like to discuss with Lem.

He mentioned it in one of texts (not sure that you'd be interested to read/discuss whole thing)...

as difference between man of action and phylosopher, who only thinking about many things.

Line was like that -- that action contains many new and unseen. While sitting and thinking -- always one and the same.

But that... looks not that logical.

When we sitting/avioding some actions -- we keep potential of doing MANY things.

While if we decide to do somthing... we losing all other possibilities. Except for what we doing now. ;-)

So... that is not that simple question. Isn't it?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Everything is a paradox requiring a parallax view...

There is no "stereo depth" without two audio sources. Same with depth of vision.

Anonymous said...

Down to elementary base... neurons working on differenciation. A change.

Only changes are "visible". Not absolutes...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

That which does not change can be ignored (doesn't require attention). Hence many predators are fooled when a rabbit in "plain site" escapes detection by "not moving".

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

Well... that questionhigher can be discerned with slightly more complex analogy -- with Potential and Kinetic energy.

When you have potential -- you can move in many directions. Though, if you are low and have near zero potential -- you cannot move.

While having a lot of drive makes you move -- but only in one direction. And it's hard and need some obstacle to boink into, to change the direction.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Motor neurons have a lot more "potential energy' than sensory ones. ;)

Anonymous said...

Are they?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Their size usually gives them away.

Anonymous said...

Still don't get it.

That sensory neurons need to be on the far side of neurosystem -- and need more power to send signals... or what?