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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again? Archilochus

Friday, July 19, 2024

Xenia: Framing both "Reason and Rationality"

 from Google AI:

Reason and Rationality are related concepts, but they operate on different levels:
Reason

The faculty of rational argument, deduction, and judgment. It can also refer to a sound mind or sanity. Reason can also be characterized by a peculiar orientation towards the whole, or a reaching outwards for totality.

Rationality

The quality of being guided by or based on reason. For example, a person acts rationally if they have a good reason for what they do, or a belief is rational if it is based on strong evidence. Rationality can also involve evaluating choices to achieve a goal or find the optimal solution to a problem.

So what is the necessary environment required for supporting these two fundamental premises and making them successful?  I believe it lies in the Greek Concept of Xenia

Xenia (Greek: ξενία) is an ancient Greek concept of hospitality. It is almost always translated as 'guest-friendship' or 'ritualized friendship'. It is an institutionalized relationship rooted in generosity, gift exchange, and reciprocity.

This Xenia MUST constitute the environmental conditions under which a Dialectical discourse proceeds so as to arrive at Truth.  Without it, no amount of reason or rationality can arrive at a truthful conclusion.

From Byung-Chul Han's "The Expulsion of the Other"

"Hospitality is the highest expression of a Universal Reason, Universal Human Reason that has come into its' own. Globalism doesn't result in Hospitality."

"How civilized a society is can be judged by its' Hospitality. In particular, indeed, its' friendliness. Xenophobia is hatred, and ugly. It is an expression of a lack of Universal Reason, a sign of a sign that Society is still in an unreconciled State."
Byung-Chul Han also stated that:
"Philosophy is the translation of Eros into Logos" 

And Plato stated in his "Symposium" (Aristophanes' Speech) that:

"...and the desire and pursuit of the Whole is called, 'Love' "

More from Google AI: 

In Greek mythology, Zeus Xenios is the god who protects strangers and is the patron of xenia, the custom of offering hospitality to strangers. Xenia was considered a fundamental part of civilized life, and in ancient times, people believed that gods might mingle among them. As a result, if a host treated a stranger poorly, they risked angering a god who might be disguised as the stranger. This led to the concept of theoxenia, where humans demonstrated their virtue by showing hospitality to a stranger who turned out to be a god.

Tasos Kokkinidis, "Philoxenia: The Ancient Roots of Greek Hospitality"
The Greek word Philoxenia, literally translated as a “friend to a stranger”, is widely perceived to be synonymous with hospitality.

For Greeks, it is much deeper than that. It is an unspoken cultural law that shows generosity and courtesy to strangers.

Greeks are enormously generous when inviting others to their home, or being invited themselves. In villages, it is not uncommon for villagers to show up at the door of a resident foreigner (or even a temporary visitor renting a room) with a sack full of fresh tomatoes, or even a bottle of local olive oil.

Philoxenia today can be as simple as a smile, helping a stranded motorist, buying a meal for a homeless person, or opening your home to friends and family.

Zeus Xenios
This cultural law has its origins in Ancient Greece. The Greek god Zeus is sometimes called Zeus Xenios — as he was also a protector of travelers. He thus embodied the religious obligation to be hospitable to travelers.

The beautiful story written by the Roman poet Ovid in 8 A.D of Zeus and Hermes disguised as poor travelers, narrates the sacred relation between host and guest, embodying the ancient Greek tradition.

The two ancient Gods, the story goes, visited many villages in search of refuge for the night. A poor elderly couple — Baucis and Philemon welcomed them as guests in their home and generously served them food and wine.

After refilling her guests’ cups many times over, Baucis noticed that the wine jug was still full. Philemon then realized the visitors were actually gods and she offered to kill their only goose to feed them. Touched by this gesture, Zeus rewarded their generosity by transforming the humble cottage into a beautiful stone temple.

Zeus also granted the couple their ultimate wish: to be the guardians of the temple, die at the same time, and stay together for eternity as they were turned into trees, guarding each side of the temple’s door.
Trojan War
According to legend, even an event as momentous as the Trojan War began because of a guest’s violation of xenia. The Trojan prince Paris was a guest of King Menelaus of Sparta when he abducted Menelaus’ wife, Helen.

Both the Odyssey and the Iliad are filled with episodes in which xenia is either honored or ignored and the subsequent consequences are notable. For instance, when Odysseus sails to the island of the cyclops, the monster’s treatment of Odysseus and his sailors is a violation of the custom of xenia. The cyclops is punished for the transgression. Odysseus blinds his “host” and escapes. The cyclops episode depicts an abuse of xenia.

In another story, Odysseus’ wife Penelope is forced by custom to entertain an entire household of suitors. The guests not only make unreasonable, burdensome requests that were impolite for guests but they do so with the assumption the host himself is no longer alive. The conclusion of the poem involves Odysseus’s slaughter of the suitors. This violent ending can be seen as retribution for an egregious abuse of xenia, or conversely, a violation of its very precepts.
Reasons for philoxenia
There are many possible reasons why hospitality was more prevalent in those times.

Traveling in Homer’s time was much more extensive and lengthier than in modern times. Because of this, many more nights were spent away from home in many different locations. Also, there were not hotels or inns where travelers could pay and stay the night.

Because of this, travelers had to rely on the hospitality of others for shelter, food, and protection. There was, however, some payment for this hospitality in the form of a gift exchange.

Another possible reason for this hospitality was the fact that there were not nations that would allow travelers to enter their territory safely. Without such hospitality, strangers could be captured or even killed for entering a foreign land.

Another possible explanation for the amount of hospitality shown is that the Greeks believed the gods wanted them to show hospitality to anyone who showed up at their homes. It was also believed that turning away someone and not providing them this hospitality would result in some form of punishment from the gods.

Finally, hospitality could have been used to spread ones name and bring them a sense of fame if they provided a high standard of hospitality to strangers. It also could have been a way to show how wealthy one was.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Reason -- yeah, ability to discern Truth from Lie, operate over basic facts, support discussion.

Rationality -- as stated, ability to proliferate toward reasonable rational goal.

I'd add FURTHER levels.

Pragmatism -- ability... well, more like experience to discern goals in respect to how realistic they are.

Technologism -- knowing (and having) toolset of actual instruments, resources and knowledge... to got there. ;-)

Next?

God-likness? ;-P

I mean, after your got all that -- what can stop you? ;-)

Anonymous said...

\\This Xenia MUST constitute the environmental conditions under which a Dialectical discourse proceeds so as to arrive at Truth. Without it, no amount of reason or rationality can arrive at a truthful conclusion.

Is it?

Isn't we quite enough friendly, for example?

I think... there some more finegrained details needed...

as even friends -- for different purpose and different situations, like...

would you do with your male friends SAME what you'd like to do with your girlfriend. ;-P

Conclusion: To every reasons there is own... friends.

Anonymous said...

at pShaw's... but it will not be disclosed. :-/


Answer is simple -- NEW tech(s).

Techs that could INCREASE productivity of work.

And ALLOW worker to be brains and muscles once again... and not just button pusher, screen tappers.

Yawn.

Joe Conservative said...

Yes, pragmatism and a broad technical background help as well. My post is likely over-simplistic... but in thinking about it, I felt hospitality, even under a system of dispute and disagreement (like a Courtroom) or debate required a certain "decorum" of "procedure".... which might involve a third party to maintain.

It's what is "lacking" at many blogs.. even though I hate moderators (even tech ones like that damn spam filter). So, since I hate "other" moderators, perhaps I need to be more "hospitable" myself, and not as surly.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

:p

Anonymous said...

\\Yes, pragmatism and a broad technical background help as well. My post is likely over-simplistic... but in thinking about it, I felt hospitality, even under a system of dispute and disagreement (like a Courtroom) or debate required a certain "decorum" of "procedure".... which might involve a third party to maintain.

I'm... at lose here.

Even though... it seems, like it definitely are the CORE of my predicament -- if only I could have access to some public, or even individual(s)... who'd agree to discuss topics around my idea sympathetically... or, if not, rationally for at least.

Maybe I could became able to proceed.

But... my experience of talks -- is only with same techy-nerdy crowd.

And even there... I was NOT able to discuss topics even slightly above average -- no interest, no wit, no... friendliness??? :-(((((((




\\It's what is "lacking" at many blogs.. even though I hate moderators (even tech ones like that damn spam filter). So, since I hate "other" moderators, perhaps I need to be more "hospitable" myself, and not as surly.

Well... I tried to think about it too.

In a techy way -- maybe some type of socnet, which would ELIMINATE interpersonal quarrels... while DISTILLING rational and factual content...


Like... give people to give ANY comment they like -- but show to you only that, that carry something rational/reasonable...

Like... there is such techy network -- StackOverflow(BTW, I was observing it... in that moment when it was conieved ;-))

It looks like a good first approximation -- people ask questions. Regarding this or that technical quirk/possibility/feature.

And quite usually, people give quite good and even excellent answers. Even if question vaguely stated.


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I admit that I haven't given a "tech" solution must consideration. There's so much nuance in language. I'd always be afraid of excluding too much... sarcasm, irony, or satire...

One always ultimately ends up in an echo chamber centered around those nuances...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

One of the most difficult Platonic dialogues I found was the "Lysis" (on friendship). I probably need to return to it.

Anonymous said...

Young troglodytes... yawn. :-P


Or maybe... I dunno, is in USA such "genuises"??? who use hammer to open hand grenades? %^)))))))))))))))))))0

Anonymous said...

troglodyte is a stop-word? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ever try and seal a 12 gauge round end turned firecracker with a hot knife? I barely have 10 fingers.

Anonymous said...

:-)

Well... we still troglodytes... :-)))

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...but we can learn!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...some of us, anyways. ;p

Anonymous said...

YES!

And that is exactly what I meant mentioning that "Cal Lightman" -- he gone for a long sabbatical to go to a different countries, to meet different people.

Why? To hone his skills. To eradicate his biases, he would have inevitably if he'd stayed at home. And never would reach that "miraculous" ability to discern grain from chaff.

Like... I remember it about myself. In this song about Blue Canary, I have heard it as: "Gloob, gloob, gloob terari" or something.

Rediculous, isn't it?

But well, my skills in English was infinitesimal... in that time.



SO.

That's exactly is THE CORE of my idea -- why we need to try to make softbodied universal robots???

To gain some skill. And who knows -- what we'd be able to do, what NEW doors it will open to us...

Anonymous said...

Well... all question is -- how to create environment -- that would be positive and reinforced learning. And learning of WHAT exactly? ;-)

Because for now... in this socnets -- we, yes, learn only to LIE... with straight face, combine in tribes and echochambers of liars, and following more suck-seces-pool liars AKA celebrities.

Yawn.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Some problems are unsolvable... but I hope you figure it out.

Anonymous said...

There is NO unsolvable problems (because all of em sewed of on Pragamatical and Technological stages)...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I guess evolution did crack the "perpetual motion machine" nut. So yeah, maybe there's a solution if you're willing to spend the "time" perfecting it. Only some have more time than others...

Anonymous said...

Naaaah... that "problem" eliminated by Pragmatism.

Yawn.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Better is the enemy of Gudenuff!...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

;)

Anonymous said...

Doing same things again and again, without success is borderline... of idiocy? ;-P

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Naaah. Persistence. Like evolution.

Anonymous said...

Isn't Evolution VERY idiotic process?

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

Like... totally brain-less.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I prefer to think of it as a "consensus/ collective intelligence" building process. Not brainless... many-brained.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

A local "ordering" from chaos with differing, but cooperative, levels of consciousness.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Moving intelligence from "private knowledge" to "public knowledge" from individual organisms to species.

Anonymous said...

\\I prefer to think of it as a "consensus/ collective intelligence" building process. Not brainless... many-brained.

That's exactly BS.

Yawn.

But well. Again. Our human cognition -- is teleological. By need.

So... there is nothing surprising too.




\\A local "ordering" from chaos with differing, but cooperative, levels of consciousness.

consciousness?

In bacteria? ;-P

In some even smaller parts... like viruses.

Or even smaller... like individual amino-acid???

Or... even smaller... like gamma-quant from distant star coming and runing DNA... but, "creatively"? ;-P

Anima Mundi? ;-P






-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Cuz I really "need" a new Gucci jacket.... @@

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

"chance/ circumstance" and solving a problem (need or otherwise... desire).

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...of the individual or group.

Anonymous said...

???