“They saw their injured country's woe;
The flaming town, the wasted field;
Then rushed to meet the insulting foe;
They took the spear, - but left the shield.”
―Philip Freneau
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And by a prudent flight and cunning save A life which valour could not, from the grave. A better buckler I can soon regain, But who can get another life again?
Archilochus
Saturday, April 19, 2025
Palantir, from the Outside
The New Society of Control
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Thiel is possibly the most anti-statist person on the planet. Yet he's peddling software designed to keep various oligarchic potentates in power. Work that one out...
He's a NatCon, which is kind of like a NeoCon, but with a more limited scope (America) instead of "global". He even created a "society" around it with Vance.
With Palantir, it'll be all about controlling "access" to information. Without the right bona fides, you won't get past Palantir's "gates". A Kafka "Before the Law" situation.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 6, 2025 at 1:01 PM I think it's important to understand the route biology took before attempting to develop a non-biological mechanical equivalent going forward. If self-assembly is going to be required, this needs to be established at the foundational level. Eukaryotes with Archeae accompanied with a foundational algorithm
You still under influance of cultural illusions.
Yawn.
Idea that there is well-separated branches of knowlage. Anti-holistic, anti-systemic views.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 6, 2025 at 1:29 PM Every assembly a "desiring" machine, every desiring machine addressing the problem it needs ( & desires) to solve. Every desiring machine given the information and tools needed to solve the problem, and every desiring machine communicating its' desires (and frustration- aka distress) to symbiotic desiring machines that can understand and respond (or not) to that distress.
Yap.
An illusion.
Based on NOT knowing programing enough. That simething like that -- possible.
Such well-separated. Well-observable. Well-understandable -- top to the bottom. Structures.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 8, 2025 at 9:29 AM lol! We need faster and faster computers because the code gets ever sloppier and less efficient.
Blame the slow development on copyright and patent law. Only in "war" do those restrictions go out the window and innovators go full Shanzhai!
You ARE out of sync.... with Reality.
Well, not a big sin. We all ARE.
Yawn.
I just synced myself -- came into computers selling shop -- same prices, same products... as nearly 10 years ago as I cared to check it out last time.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 7, 2025 at 7:19 PM It's hard to sell a "purposeless" design effort, easy to sell one 'with" a purpose. The former is also much more dangerous, as you can't be sure that your "purposeless purpose" will be fulfilled in any expected fashion. Especially if they self-assemble and form larger IIT groupings (von Neuman machine)
That's bullocks.
Yawn.
What is purpose of current society built around smartphones and socnets???
There isn't!
That's just an INERTIA of previous development in electronics and programing.
And... of course, my idea lacks such inertia to back it up and to push it forward. As it is NEW thing. And NEED TO drill through miuntains of bullocks of inertia of all previous ideas.
the subconscious is rhizomic and loosely affinitized (anti-structural)... the conscious is hierarchical/ categorical... structuralized (Structuralism).
Has the human body systems "evolution" stopped? Or merely on "pause' awaiting the merger of a new virus/ bacteria to free it from some current limitation.
"Get with" means adopt some of their concepts. You reject everything as "incomplete" Mr. Godel. Conscious thought required hierarchies, not just subconscious rhizomic meanderings (flows) of desire.
Maybe instead of of pointing out what you dislike about their theories, you might point out the parts you partially agree with so that I can understand where your head is.
Nietzsche challenged the traditional notion of truth, arguing that it's not a fixed, objective reality, but rather a human creation shaped by perspective and power dynamics. He suggested that "truth" is often used as a tool to enforce a particular point of view or power structure. Instead of seeking an absolute truth, Nietzsche emphasized the importance of "will to power" and the creation of meaning, rather than the discovery of pre-existing truth.
The "alchemy" of truth... how much power is required to sustain it.
How useful is a truth to me? Should I modify it to suit some new circumstance. The truth learned by the catepillar brain is melted during metamorphosis. How now does the butterfly re-interpret the truth? Is the butterfly's food, as the catelipillar's, always "green" (or a trained blue)?
Whether there is this eternal nature in things, or whether the truth is what Heracleitus and his followers and many others say, is a question hard to determine; and no man of sense will like to put himself or the education of his mind in the power of names: neither will he so far trust names or the givers of names as to be confident in any knowledge which condemns himself and other existences to an unhealthy state of unreality; he will not believe that all things leak like a pot, or imagine that the world is a man who has a running at the nose. This may be true, Cratylus, but is also very likely to be untrue;
Animal cells don't have cell walls? Their bodies don't have skin? Batteries don't need casings? Open systems don't experience entropy? Who knew?
Life is a chemical System that uses energy to keep itself from reaching chemical equilibrium. Equilibrium is the situation in which chemicals no longer have a tendency to react over time.
erratum- It's a cell that's "missing" a central nucleus organelle containing the animals complete DNA. They only contain organellar DNA (mitochondrial and chloroplasts/ plants).
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Thiel is possibly the most anti-statist person on the planet. Yet he's peddling software designed to keep various oligarchic potentates in power. Work that one out...
'Palantir, now with super AI powers!'
Luvvlyjubbly!
He's a NatCon, which is kind of like a NeoCon, but with a more limited scope (America) instead of "global". He even created a "society" around it with Vance.
With Palantir, it'll be all about controlling "access" to information. Without the right bona fides, you won't get past Palantir's "gates". A Kafka "Before the Law" situation.
Hah, then HAH again. ;-p
He is one of burgious, as commi would say.
He IS part of The System. System which makes him rich. And powerfool.;-p
And miserly naked monkeys... we SO bent on being hungry of... POWER.:-))))
That's what our benevolent (cause allowing miserly anons to speak freely here) snarking at me rightfoolly -- for being hungry of power too.:-)
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 6, 2025 at 1:01 PM
I think it's important to understand the route biology took before attempting to develop a non-biological mechanical equivalent going forward. If self-assembly is going to be required, this needs to be established at the foundational level. Eukaryotes with Archeae accompanied with a foundational algorithm
You still under influance of cultural illusions.
Yawn.
Idea that there is well-separated branches of knowlage. Anti-holistic, anti-systemic views.
Yawn
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 6, 2025 at 1:29 PM
Every assembly a "desiring" machine, every desiring machine addressing the problem it needs ( & desires) to solve. Every desiring machine given the information and tools needed to solve the problem, and every desiring machine communicating its' desires (and frustration- aka distress) to symbiotic desiring machines that can understand and respond (or not) to that distress.
Yap.
An illusion.
Based on NOT knowing programing enough. That simething like that -- possible.
Such well-separated. Well-observable. Well-understandable -- top to the bottom. Structures.
Yawn.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 8, 2025 at 9:29 AM
lol! We need faster and faster computers because the code gets ever sloppier and less efficient.
Blame the slow development on copyright and patent law. Only in "war" do those restrictions go out the window and innovators go full Shanzhai!
You ARE out of sync.... with Reality.
Well, not a big sin. We all ARE.
Yawn.
I just synced myself -- came into computers selling shop -- same prices, same products... as nearly 10 years ago as I cared to check it out last time.
Yawn.
Progress ACTUALLY stopped, dude.
Yawn.
//-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA JewApril 7, 2025 at 7:19 PM
It's hard to sell a "purposeless" design effort, easy to sell one 'with" a purpose. The former is also much more dangerous, as you can't be sure that your "purposeless purpose" will be fulfilled in any expected fashion. Especially if they self-assemble and form larger IIT groupings (von Neuman machine)
That's bullocks.
Yawn.
What is purpose of current society built around smartphones and socnets???
There isn't!
That's just an INERTIA of previous development in electronics and programing.
Yawn.
And... of course, my idea lacks such inertia to back it up and to push it forward. As it is NEW thing. And NEED TO drill through miuntains of bullocks of inertia of all previous ideas.
That's it.
Yawn.
I don't deny the bias.
It's hard to live in the categoryless rhizome without becoming a schizophrenic.
They're required, as no solution can emerge from the system describing it.
It's "relativity".
stochastic vs deterministic
the subconscious is rhizomic and loosely affinitized (anti-structural)... the conscious is hierarchical/ categorical... structuralized (Structuralism).
"I am"... a fictional categorized structural artifact.
EVERYTHING is an "illusion".
Then try selling a new on without a purpose.
Then get with the new Assembly theorists, Constructor theorists, and Information Theorists.
"Organs without bodies" The "system" (body) is a collection of those purposeful organs.
Has the human body systems "evolution" stopped? Or merely on "pause' awaiting the merger of a new virus/ bacteria to free it from some current limitation.
...and design the drill.
...*yawn*
erratum - Integrated Information Theory (IIT) above
//Then get with the new Assembly theorists, Constructor theorists, and Information Theorists.
Sorry.
I'm still foreigner. And still have big problem with such idiomatic talks...
What that "get with" should mean? Like "send em to Hell"? ;-p
???
There is NO body.
Just DNA.
Evolution -- is not a phenomena.
That is just an illusion of our monkey brains.
Yawn.
(more advanced comment was eaten by Ctulchu ;-p)
//It's hard to live in the categoryless rhizome without becoming a schizophrenic.
Hah.
//EVERYTHING is an "illusion".
Yet one HAH. ;-p
Then you typing your answer over illusory keyboard, while sitting in a psychiatric clinic.
And I am just a figment of your imagination. ;-p
//They're required, as no solution can emerge from the system describing it.
???
ask Godel about his Incompleteness Theorum
Phenomenologically... yes. I still think you're an NSA AI.
"Get with" means adopt some of their concepts. You reject everything as "incomplete" Mr. Godel. Conscious thought required hierarchies, not just subconscious rhizomic meanderings (flows) of desire.
Take the best (from each) and leave the rest.
And funnel those flows into a purposeful "channel"
Cthulhu knows best.
And its' a process of IIT (probably).
A body is an interdependent organ collective with a structural exterior to protect it from invasion.
There is no hardware, only software.... @@
RNA is the DNA that an organ needs to function. String THEM all together and you get a history of organelle collectivizations (DNA)
into a larger "body".
Bottom Up, NOT top down.
Assemblies.
//You reject everything...
Where???
It's in your habit here.
I just say: "It, will not work".That's all.
//A body is an interdependent organ collective with a structural exterior to protect it from invasion.
That's just our antropocentric illusion.
Yawn.
:-)))))))))
That is YOUR interpretation, not his.
He was talking about FORMAL systems.
Each piece (on its' own) will not work. Blend parts of them together.... who knows. I think that there are some good ideas there.
Maybe instead of of pointing out what you dislike about their theories, you might point out the parts you partially agree with so that I can understand where your head is.
:P
Nietzsche challenged the traditional notion of truth, arguing that it's not a fixed, objective reality, but rather a human creation shaped by perspective and power dynamics. He suggested that "truth" is often used as a tool to enforce a particular point of view or power structure. Instead of seeking an absolute truth, Nietzsche emphasized the importance of "will to power" and the creation of meaning, rather than the discovery of pre-existing truth.
The "alchemy" of truth... how much power is required to sustain it.
How useful is a truth to me? Should I modify it to suit some new circumstance. The truth learned by the catepillar brain is melted during metamorphosis. How now does the butterfly re-interpret the truth? Is the butterfly's food, as the catelipillar's, always "green" (or a trained blue)?
Plato, "Cratylus"
Whether there is this eternal nature in things, or whether the truth is what Heracleitus and his followers and many others say, is a question hard to determine; and no man of sense will like to put himself or the education of his mind in the power of names: neither will he so far trust names or the givers of names as to be confident in any knowledge which condemns himself and other existences to an unhealthy state of unreality; he will not believe that all things leak like a pot, or imagine that the world is a man who has a running at the nose. This may be true, Cratylus, but is also very likely to be untrue;
Long as decided -- only Reality itself can decide, can reveal, can show what are The Truth, and what is not.
Like just recently -- most widespread and audacious -- is Trump a "nasty felon"? Or still ex- and gonna be again -- POTUS?
I think you must take into account such possibility. ;-p
Like language or math. Is that why you can't describe your Ovo? Does a description require a physical chemical transfer?
A uniquely folded protein?
Animal cells don't have cell walls? Their bodies don't have skin? Batteries don't need casings? Open systems don't experience entropy? Who knew?
Life is a chemical System that uses energy to keep itself from reaching chemical equilibrium. Equilibrium is the situation in which chemicals no longer have a tendency to react over time.
You do realize that skin cells don't have DNA in them, only RNA... right? So the DNA can't get "invaded" and corrupted.
A self-replicating mitochondria?
erratum- It's a cell that's "missing" a central nucleus organelle containing the animals complete DNA. They only contain organellar DNA (mitochondrial and chloroplasts/ plants).
"Power" will decide, either way. It's alchemy not science.
Autopoietic
Yeah. Kissing Hank's ass.
)))
//Like language or math.
And how language are firmal??? %)))
???
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