What is Knowledge?
Knowledge: A replicator that tends to remain instantiated in phyrical systems, and can cause transformations to occur, retaing the property of causing them again and again.
In Sum: That which allows for Resiliency through Replication
Excerpt from video above:The fundamental Principle of Constructor Theory:Whatever transformation is not forbidden by the laws of physics, can be performed to arbitrarily high accuracy provided that the requisite knowledge is created.
The only way knowledge can be created under these laws of physics is by a non-directed process of trial and error correction steps. And this is true of Natural Selection and of the knowledge creating process that occurs in people's minds. But here we come to a fundamental distinction between the two, because in Natural Selection, the only way a non-adequate theory or idea, a non-adequate recipe for a bacterium can undergo Extinction is by actual death of the organism that it happens to be travelling in. This is a feature of Natural Selection. But it need not be so in general, for extinction. In fact, in human minds, what happens is that whenever a theory is found to be parochial, that is to say that there are problems it cannot solve, the way it is eliminated, the way it undergoes extinction is by criticism. And criticism is tentatively directed to progress, and it's a fundamentally non-violent process which doesn't involve death, if not of abstractions. So as Karl Popper put it, we can let our ideas die in our place.
Once thinking abilities have emerged, a new kind of extinction has become possible, that does not involve death...
"one that is based on criticism and on actually criticizing abstractions. So it is this kind of Extinction which is not only crucial for the creation of new knowledge, but with a Constructor theoretic insight, it is part of the very process where our endeavors to create, to perform transformations that are not forbidden by the laws of physics, take place. An so this is how Constructor Theory lets us see how"
...Extinction can be a Constructor for future possibilities!
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Well... what is the difference between real knowledge... and utter BS?
Well... he they caught at least one facet of it -- it productive.
But, as from such lame observation as given here do not follow ANYTHING. By itself, it is a mere BS.(but well, BS... it's good manure)
Yawn.
\\So as Karl Popper put it, we can let our ideas die in our place.
What an utter crap. :-)))))
The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
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People... prefer to DIE, but not disengage with their ideas. You know my refs to one DiBi, which are good enough real world example -- with his idea of "wages". :-)))))
Same do *I* (in your eyes for sure). Same do you.
So. REAL progress comes with extinctions... of those who was brandishing that erroneous ideas. And substituted not with better/more true ideas... but just some another rubbish. Probably taken from scrapyard of History. Which is full of BS.
But... as I said. And you successfully ignored that my verse -- BS, it's good manure.
So -- THAT is the way how Knowledge do accumulate.
First Lem accumulated some knowledge, out of his time, premature. Not exactly correct. But still, that is Brightly Shining Knowledge... some specks of it, in that what everyone other than me (as you for example, again) see as just a BS.
So, it was laying on the ground, for ages. Not noticed, not interested for anyone. Before I found it, and saw the Truth (truth, it's not in words) behind it.
Same as von Braun saw the Truth behind mere words of Tsiolkovski.
Same as Brothers Write saw Truth behind... well, you say, they YOUR country heros.
But. Who cares. That is just whole lot of manure. Of pure shit produced by culture(s)...
Yawn.
Abd you just like to shovel old piles of manure... without cause and goal... as it seen by me (mirroring how you perceive MY babbling about Lem).
Yawn.
PS And say that there NO Truth, NO Knowledge behind this my words too. Sigh.
\\Anonymous
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You like to criticize my views/ideas... but what is your ideas/views, I still dunno???
What Capitalism? American? European? China version?
Control??? Control of what? How? >>>>>Wouldn't it be easier to control... pretty much anything, when you SMARTER, and have superior techs?<<<<
April 26, 2025 at 11:31 AM
\\-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
It's "universal"... the commodification of land, labour, capital, and now also, information.
So what??? ;-P
What Knowledge -- MEANS -- What logical and productive INFERENCE you can extract from brandishing that sentence around? ;-P
My claim here -- you have nothing. You just hold full mouth of manure... in your mouth. ;-P (that's why I showing my tongue here so often -- to show that I DO NOT hold manure... in mine ;-P)
\\-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
Competition's a b*tch.
April 26, 2025 at 2:17 PM
\\Anonymous
Competitions that designed for you to never win -- yes, for sure.
Like that example with DiBi's wages... it... holds so dear, to itself.
Because they are PERFECT!!! Perfect Competitions. Competitions, where NOBODY except DiBi itself... was prescribed to win. ;-P
With EVERYTHING, EVERY possibility, every bulletpoint of a rules PRE-DESIGNED for DiBi to "win an argument".
Yawn.
What to not like in such competitions???
But well, they are so dear only for older people. With their overweighted with supporting lost cause ideas.
Bright youth... starting from pre-schoollers... sees through it, right away.
But... being children, teens, powerless youth. Have no power to straight up such a "are you a fooll, uncle Peter?".
Yawn.
\\Joe Conservative
How useful is a truth to me? Should I modify it to suit some new circumstance. The truth learned by the catepillar brain is melted during metamorphosis. How now does the butterfly re-interpret the truth? Is the butterfly's food, as the catelipillar's, always "green" (or a trained blue)?
April 21, 2025 at 1:46 PM
YEP!
You bent on seeking for such PRE-DESIGNED "competitions" -- where'd you be PRESCRIBEDto win.
Yawn.
Bu-ga-gah!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
\\Thersites
"Power" will decide, either way. It's alchemy not science.
April 24, 2025 at 9:36 AM
Yep.
T^hat is illusion -- old people brains do produce.
Yawn.
\\"Smartness" is a commodity to be bought or sold by those with a storehouse of commodified capital (ala billionaires). Step out of line and like Tesla, you will be crushed... no matter how 'smart' you are... no matter how much better you "tech" is. Tesla was giving away his energy. He wasn't "controlling" it.
Whatever.
Who said that that was what he wanted??? Such control.
\\-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
Just be happy that they'll pay you a "surplus salary" to steal/ use your 'smartness' for their profit.
April 26, 2025 at 2:25 PM
Did you meant "miss-use" here?
\\Why do you think Putin's so angry?
Put-in is dead... for more then a year.
So... I **REALLY** dunno -- how dead people can have any emotions. Like being angry.
Yawn.
\\-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
His "credit card " read "insufficient funds".
April 26, 2025 at 2:29 PM
Not at all.
Yawn.
Level of extraction from RFia's economy, with excuse "that's... for a rightfool war" -- only grows!
Yet here you sit, blogging/commenting with an old used-up and now retired former bureaucrat's lackey who hasn't read Lem or have any inkling of the diamond you've discovered in his works. I've had MANY epiphanies in my readings, from the great to the small. I always thought that the problems with literature stated with James Joyce (Dubliners) and the minor/ base epiphanies, but perhaps I am wrong. The ancients worried only about "being", but with modernity came a bigger one, Sein in der Welt, the source of all minor epiphanies, and "second order observation". So... maybe its' deeper, that we've stopped believing in myth.
My mother-in-law's "partner" had a saying, "Everything is bullsh*t". He wasn't wrong.
Imagine is Physicists could invent the laws of physics instead of discover/unravel them. Then one day *poof* the Universe instantiated them. The Universe wouldn't last ten standard minutes.
Now imagine if I could re-write America's laws. I'd give it even less time.
Humanity is a series of evolutionary accidents that happened in a certain order over billions of years, and in billions of places. We're a collection of 37 trillion living cells that needed an idiot to keep it alive and watch out for the evolutionary collective.
...and there are 7-8 billion idiots stumbling around now, every one a threat to our ability to "persist" for another day. Sein in der Welt.
Hope you have a great line of BS to keep their feet off your neck.
:P
"Custom is like a King, and the Law, like a Tyrant"
- Dio Chrysostom (Natural Law being adopted by social custom, not novel Legislation)
:)
Power is the threat of force, of violence, behind the Law. Putin has the Power" to do as he wishes in Ukraine. America will not squander their Power to save Ukraine from Putin. It could, but it won't.
As Ben Franklin told American's, Join or Die. Since Ukraine cannot "join" it will face "extinction". Does the lesson of this post resonate, yet? It's "evolutionary" without a leading 'r'.
Knowledge is Power, whatever makes you powerful. It doesn't have to be true. As Nietzsche says, the criterion is power.
It's the criterion for "truth"
It's a 2nd order criterion, that doesn't necessarily, but can, lead to extinction/ death (as in the idea example of the video)
\\Yet here you sit, blogging/commenting with an old used-up and now retired...
You know that, that I have had previous experience... with yet one old. You know, DiBi.
Your company, not that disinteresting. ;-)
Hence... "...Extinction can be a Constructor for future possibilities!"
Yeah. 90% of everything is shit. Or... that was 99%? 99.999%?
Well... that can stand as my reason here -- you seems like seeking of something that not shit... too. ;-)
Yap!
Simulation Hypothesis. ;-)
Well... programmer stills with such a dilemma all of the time.
Accidents? ;-)
Go re-examine meaning of word "probability". ;-)
There are no "constants" in this "mixed" (Platonic) Universe. All such immortal "absolutes" (gods) reside outside of it. For as Parmenides said, "If One is not, then Nothing is".
\\Knowledge is Power, whatever makes you powerful. It doesn't have to be true.
HAH! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Okay, Socrates said it, not Parminides. It's from Plato's "Parmenides" dialogue/ dialectic. And yes, dialectic is a concept, not a fundamental truth.... a shiny diamond in a pile of BS.
Deception isn't power? Who knew?
The remaining 10% or 0.000001% to infinite zeroes is "god". No, not some "Creator" god. The six sigma 'Science's" god .The god of usefulness.
Ditto.
Right place, right time. Accidents. To be the right "assembly" in the right "factory environment" at the right "time" so that a "fusion" can occur, and the next higher assemblage achieved. There's nothing pre-destined about it. There is not ultimate "purpose" for all of it.
Don't worry, the Science god will save you. I'm a Deist. I should know.
Oh... shuddup. :-)
You just not very a[t with idea of Infinity.
Go read some Kantor. ;-)
Like about Infinite Hotel. ;-P
What is the "purpose"... in all that posts in Facebook and Instagram? ;-P
But. Sheer number of em, makes wonders. ;-P
Tyche/ Fortuna... the god of probabilities/ chance.
If that is a diamond... you should be able to show to me how it shines. ;-P
But. Still. Never happaned. Whenever, in whatever text or occurance where I heard that word "dialectic".
There was NOTHING behind it.
Yawn.
Even clap with one hand makes louder noise... than that meaningless euphemism for not knowing, devised by Western civilization.
Empty. Like that candy cover in that vid.
I'll make a reservation, with reservation.
\\Deception isn't power?
For being able to deceive anyone -- one NEED TO be SMARTER than that anyone. ;-P
Otherwise, that'll be self-deception. ;-P
Did you watched that vid? Groked it?
Or "aren't you are fool, uncle Peter?".
\\Thersites
Don't worry, the Science god will save you. I'm a Deist. I should know.
April 28, 2025 at 10:36 AM
Do I need to be saved? ;-P
Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel
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The same as language (once upon a time before the Pauline Inversion)... to scream to the world, "I am HERE!" Like Procne, Philomela and Tereus. Green language. The language of the birds.
It's an hour and fifteen? minutes. I watched the first ten to get the general idea and will return later, when I'm not engaged with your other questions.
And I admit, I am a fool to the end. But unlike Parsifal, will not likely find your grail, Fisher King.
...from your belief in the Science god? He's as good as any.
...He gives you "hope", bottled up in Pandora's jar, with the rest of the world's evils.
Otherwise you'd be convinced to do as Lessing's son did.
:P
40 seconds
Where adult gives a empty candy shell to a 4-5 years old... and laughing, like that is a great joke.
But, laugh stops when receives sober and much more grounded and grown up response... from a kid, no less -- "are you stupid? Or what?"
\\...from your belief in the Science god? He's as good as any.
See? The power of Self-Deception!!! :-))))
And where I have had mentiuoned "god of Science"???
"Gawd of technologies"... maybe. But, Science. WUT??? ;-P
\\Otherwise you'd be convinced to do as Lessing's son did.
Whatever.
You like to talk about "power of extinction", but -- showing here that you really don't get it.
Those who died -- they unimportant. Alive coyotes better than dead lions. ;-P
\\Thersites
Hence... "...Extinction can be a Constructor for future possibilities!"
Naah. Only those or that what survived. Or, leaved some manure for ever after. But, to leave manure... in observable and meaning creating amounts, that/those need to be alive, and in big numbers.
You surely know what coal made off? Or chalk.
Hesiod, "Works and Days" (encore)
[202] And now I will tell a fable for princes who themselves understand. Thus said the hawk to the nightingale with speckled neck, while he carried her high up among the clouds, gripped fast in his talons, and she, pierced by his crooked talons, cried pitifully. To her he spoke disdainfully: `Miserable thing, why do you cry out? One far stronger than you now holds you fast, and you must go wherever I take you, songstress as you are. And if I please I will make my meal of you, or let you go. He is a fool who tries to withstand the stronger, for he does not get the mastery and suffers pain besides his shame.' So said the swiftly flying hawk, the long-winged bird.
You're an alchemist technologist? :)
No, you don't get it, Achilles on Skyros. Only the good (useful) die young.
You're SUCH a heel!...
Failed experiments provide no useful information? Perhaps my next theory should change a random variable, and not keep track of failures.
...but then again, why change ANY variable? The world is perfect as it is, Candide!
With that as given that neither "alchemist" nor "technologist" have any stable meaning... when you using em.
Ehm???
...but now you're leaving Banach Space and living in Hilbert Space.
Like Evolution cares. ;-P
A Hilbert space is a special type of Banach space. In essence, a Hilbert space is a complete inner product space, meaning it's both a Banach space (a complete normed vector space) and an inner product space (a vector space with an inner product). Banach spaces are more general, not requiring an inner product to define their norm.
...an infinite within an infinite.
...so many mirrors, which is the real me?
Achilles will never catch the tortoise now, Xeno.
Maybe it's why your computer can't decide when to halt...
Pft!
Like World CARES... perfect it, or not.
Empty, like a Yin without a Yang... Relativity without a relatable.
\\...an infinite within an infinite.
Yawn.
Whatever.
All infinities are different. But they still are equally inifinite ;-P
...and yet an idiot can't deceive a genius. I don't know why I try... ;)
I'll take it that Uncle Peter didn't get the "Dad" job.
\\Empty, like a Yin without a Yang... Relativity without a relatable.
Only in theory theory and practice are the same.
And. Theory without practical use -- dead. And practice without theory behind it -- dangerous.
Nobody do. That's why we devised God-Father. To fill that emptiness.
Yawn.
A technologist typically applies established principles (usually the most recently established ones). An alchemist innovates with new, un-established ones (more like the scientist). Am I close?
Think of how many organisms had to die for there to be coal in the ground today....
There sure must not be any future uses for it...
\\Maybe it's why your computer can't decide when to halt...
And who said that it need to? Anthropocentrism?
Nope, but I can think of 37 trillion cells who's idiot "pilot" does.
Isn't some anthropcentric mechanic needed to clear the jams on your von Neumann probe?
Or is it plugged into a neutron star power source that'll never go Nova...
Wrong.
Many died, so now we can burgeoning on their corpses, to burn em in our furnaces.
But -- not vice versa.
all abstractions are different, but they're all equally abstract.
Hah.
And not Reality itself?
Who knows... I'm not an expert. ;-P
..at least in a universe within an infinite multiiverse
Well... that "pilot" can decide to stop being idiot. And to became SMARTER.
Tough luck. I know. ;-P
Is reality infinite? What about entropy? A constant low energy state?
Like "infinity of love in God"? ;-P
...making CO2, warming the planet, and ultimately killing you, and making a new layer of coal for the planet.
Genius... capable ti self-decieve himself much more successfully... because -- he genius. ;-P
For our purposes -- it is.
As we unable to count number of atoms in our bodies.
WHAT we can know about infinity?
\\A technologist typically applies established principles (usually the most recently established ones). An alchemist innovates with new, un-established ones (more like the scientist). Am I close?
???
There is no alchemist alive, to ask one. ;-P
Dialectic... a criticism of an abstraction. thesis:antithesis
...yeah, explains why heaven so quickly goes to hell in a handbasket when the 'experts" (genius') are running things. Who was it that said he'd rather be ruled by 100 random selections from the Boston Telephone Book than 100 from the faculty of Harvard University...
Yeah, He's the source of all LAW, even the Laws of Physics. Because people can't stand to see other people having a fun time and won't leave them alone.
Kafka - Before the Law...@@
This pilot receives no benefit from getting "smarter" other than for entertainment purposes. I've opted out of the capitalism game. I've become a pure "consumer" of other people's smartness.
Whatever.
Only smartness opens doors for more and more games. ;-)
Ask a Hindi. They invented the zero to help calculate infinity.
Sure there are. Ask George Soros. He invented "The Alchemy of Finance". He's just not a "materialist".
Hah. :-)
Think Harvard is some f*g factory of making geniuses??? :-))))))
That'a'hella'killarious. %-))))))))))))))))))0
Pft!
He's an alchemist of abstractions, like the exchange value of currencies.
...but then the subject content of this thread 9extinction) appeared uninteresting and hardly useful to you...
The man who broke the Bank of England can surely make the US Dollar vulnerable to extinction.
Why did life develop? Perhaps abstractions were necessary after a certain assembly index to accelerate the evolutionary process.
Before crushing it all in the next nearby Supernova explosion.
Entropy hates a Tower of Babel.
;P
One day Kairos will run by, but you won't recognize him til he's past.
Only smartness can see and seize Kairos when he spot's him running by. Me, I've got too much grease on my hands to grab anything. I'm too busy masturbating.
Gotta find workers willing to put their noses to the grindstone. And who better than those who have been certified to have passed the Pareto Principle test?
Welcome to the Achievement Society. Got "burnout" habits?
Naaah, my G_d's a real mean mf'er! And believe it or not, the only thing He LOVES to do is "dance".
And I can't dance, for sh*tsake!
Yawn. Whatever.
:-)))))
\\..at least in a universe within an infinite multiiverse
From Infinity standpoint... even our Universe, that looks SO BIG!!! to us. Is just meaningless speck of sand.
Well... even Multiverse (of kind narrow homo sapiens could fathom especially) -- same indistinguishable speck of dust.
Yawn.
We just too stupid to fathom Infinity. ;-P
\\He's an alchemist of abstractions, like the exchange value of currencies.
Pft! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))
Magicians (like David Copperfield) also say that they do Real Magic...
while that just a smoke and mirrors. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dunno why you give to him so much credit. Like he is some real deal.
\\The man who broke the Bank of England can surely make the US Dollar vulnerable to extinction.
Hah.
And not dRump with his moronic playing with government authority and finances??? ;-P
\\One day Kairos will run by, but you won't recognize him til he's past.
;-P
...because to grok it, one would have to put a "limit" around it and study it and say "this (inside) which I have examined, is the infinite". That is how our language works, absolutes and unknowns only exist "outside" of it.
Our "cognitive light cones" can only reach so far.
...and this extends into the micro-"scopic" dimensions as well.
...the "infinite" within the "infinity".
In other words, Mr. Leibnitz, there are no monads. The fractals keep going... and going.
...and their chaotic patterns ever can't be seen.
...because whenever the CIA with USAID overthrows a government, he has first dibs on the choicest resources.
When George Soros shorts the dollar, America will fall.
...so why do you think Trump killed USAID and is destroying the globalists economic supply chains?
...ro build the ONLY globally reliable chain... in the US.
;P
;)
\\...so why do you think Trump killed USAID and is destroying the globalists economic supply chains?
Preparing for III world war? Or... just being fool?
Yawn.
MAGA!
Wakanda rising!
...while the rest of the world wallows in its' own crapulence.
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